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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Storm and SUB



Carsten,

Thank you for your reply.  Review of sub strandings over the last 100 years reveal that immediate escape is the best option while the crewmember(s) are still fresh.  Stress, tiredness, cold, and CO2 build-up all contribute to a rapidly decreasing chance of a successful escape.  In addition, it seems when you have one accident others seem to cascade.  This is not just from my review of history, there are other papers that have come to the same conclusion.  You can always go back and get the sub later (as they did with the Alvin after she swamped on the surface).  Get out as soon as preparations are completed for everyone’s escape.  Waiting leads to increased fatalities.  If room is available, survival suits will increase the viability of survival once surfaced and while awaiting pick-up from a boat.  In a larger submersible such as Eurosub, a jetsonable life raft would be very beneficial (just make sure it will float to the surface prior to inflation, no of more than one case where the raft sank to the bottom prior to inflating).

 

I really love Sgt. Pepper but the issue of freeboard on the surface makes entry and exit very difficult as you note.  From your recent account, I gather that you lifted the submersible back onto the trawler prior to exiting the sub…please confirm.

 

As to Sgt. Pepper vs. Nemo I don’t really remember the size of Nemo but would guest that there is a significant difference in size between the two.  Skin area and cross sectional area are major factors in frictional drag…if you double speed, drag increases 8 times.  As to size differences (don’t have the rule of thumb right in front of me but believe it is), if you double the size of a vessel, the frictional drag increase by a factor of 4.  Appendages do cause drag but at the nominal speeds that most PSUBS operate at, the drag is a small factor in the overall picture.  If you want to radically increase speed, then the hull needs to be VERY FAIRED.  The German Type XXI Electro Boat was a very good example (Walther’s hydrogen peroxide powered sub even more so), this was a radical change in form from the earlier fleet type boats.

 

In Sgt. Pepper’s case in the open sea, what happens if you can’t mate back up with the surface support vessel?

R/J2

 

 

Respectfully,

Jay K. Jeffries

Andros Is., Bahamas

 

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

  - Aristotle

 

 

 

 

Hi Jay - that is a question raising my attention. On Peppers sub, Emile and I have the possibilty to release three screws on the front dome, relase the inside scuba gear from the dive system and the wall. Open the snorckel vale and flood the boat via a pipe from the snorckel breazing vale to the bottom of the pressure hull via a hose to make the pressure comensation to leave the boat.

 

It the boat catch a net on a wreck - what will be the time to leave- After an half hour and all thrusters now hopeless in the net - the pilot fresh and clear ? Or after 8 hours - the Co2 monitor showing some alarm at 1-5 % Co2.. ? I was under the impression that the latest point on day light will be the best so the guys on the surface can do some rescue operations...

 

Item to be discuss..

 

Ps about drag.. If Nemo with his three motors and two sail is under full speed underwater - Peppers can turn cyles around this sub like a shark.. with one Minkota 55 lbs. And in the afternoon when Nemo is on the pier and chargeing his batterys - Peppers switch on the light fo a late night dive - and that with the smaller battery..

But in my opinion a open sea psubs needs a sail - or a supply boat with a good working crane.

 

best regrads Carsten