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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] [was: Storm and SUB]
Hi Rick,
I made a video out of my experience with Cheasapeake
Submarine Service. I don't see it on the PSUBS Store
yet but I can burn a copy.
Regards,
Ray
--- Rick and Marcia <empiricus@telus.net> wrote:
> I'll second that emotion . . .
>
> I know there's some video somewhere (the Euro guys
> if I'm not mistaken . . .
> Kraken?)
>
> Rick L
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Frankland" <frankland@cwgsy.net>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] [was: Storm and SUB]
>
>
> > Hi All.
> >
> > Just reading Vances post here and he quotes "Being
> there is AWESOME!!!" -
> has given me an idea of something for the web-site
> maybe.
> >
> > Someone could take a video camera along on a dive
> and film the whole dive
> and post it as an mpeg or something on the site. It
> would certainly make
> interesting viewing, especially if it showed the
> inside of the sub during
> the dive and maybe included some commentary by the
> operator as to what he
> was doing. Of course, some views of something
> interesting out of the
> viewports as well.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> > From: vbra676539@aol.com
> > Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:44:27 -0400
> >
> > >I loved the hardware, but not that much. And I
> agree a hundred percent
> about new designs. I stay in contact with two
> current commercial builders
> and neither one of them builds anything even
> remotely similar to what I used
> in the 70s and early 80s. New materials, new
> technology, new everything. The
> only real common theme is that both of them build
> stuff to work in the
> water. But they are faster and lighter and offer
> more visibility and simpler
> sub systems than anything I ever had my hot little
> hands on.
> > >
> > >My requirements are that the vehicles be rugged
> and safe. You are
> absolutely right--the boats get banged around
> something fierce. Safety of
> design is a necessary starting point. After that,
> they need to be intuitive
> to operate and relatively easy to maintain. Because
> when you get right down
> (sic) to it, getting there is just part of the fun.
> Being there is
> AWESOME!!!
> > >
> > >It's been great fun incorporating this new stuff
> into a submersible based
> novel that I am just finishing up. I'm hoping it
> will be published by next
> spring, and if so, maybe the newbies will get a
> chance to read about how it
> feels, doing some of this stuff. There's nothing
> like it, exactly--but there
> is a lot to it. We'll see.
> > >
> > >Vance
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: empiricus@telus.net
> > >To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > >Sent: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 2:36 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] [was: Storm and SUB]
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi, Vance -
> > >
> > >Yeah, romance and reality are often mutually
> exclusive, especially in a
> one-atm. boat with little vis. through the
> portholes. Sigh.
> > >
> > >Understand that I was deliberately stressing the
> romantic in my previous
> email - I was "waxing eloquent" (having fun) as they
> say.
> > >
> > >In terms of romance, it's my opinion that there's
> a yearning for the
> familiar, like Kittredge's boats, that limits the
> potential of any
> improvement in psub design. It saddens me when I
> see truly wonderful
> attempts at creative design being dashed on the
> rocks, not because reality
> sinks in (safety, engineering, etc.), but rather
> because of what newbies
> come to believe as what a "real' sub should look
> like.
> > >
> > >We can still wrap imagination around reality - I
> believe they can
> coexist. And, yes, form SHOULD follow function or
> we'll simply never make a
> second dive.
> > >
> > >I strongly feel that allowing technology, or the
> lack of knowledge
> thereof, to get in the way of safety is a little
> like riding around in a
> vintage car with no seat belts because, well, that's
> the way it was "back
> then". You can do it, yes. The original diving
> masks, Mark V navy hats,
> portholes, submersible protrusions, etc. all
> contribute in some way to added
> danger u/w. Do we exclude them from the diving
> experience? Of course not.
> Our end goals are a mixture of mission design,
> safety, endurance,
> independence, etc.
> > >
> > >If a submariner/diver is able to see what's got
> him tangled, or even
> better, avoid it in the first place, the chances of
> him surviving are a lot
> higher.
> > >
> > >A one-atm. boat with large domes instead of tiny
> viewports or tiny domes
> is, IMHO, superior to the Kittredge boats as they
> are currently designed.
> When the large dome becomes an intrinsic part of the
> cabin then, I feel,
> we've made progress. Hikino comes to mind. If
> carefully designed, the high
> volume inherent in domes can be mitigated with
> careful placement of
> components without denigrating visibility from the
> pilot's seat. I'll take
> the view from an old Korean war vintage Bell
> helicopter over a Beech
> Bonanza. Different mission statements to be sure.
> They're used
> differently. That's why I like helicopters.
> > >
> > >One aspect to, by way of example, an ambient sub,
> is being forced to stay
> within diving/bailout limits. Other positives are
> the great vis available
> (domes, bubbles, canopies) in terms of potential
> entanglements and the lack
> of pokey things sticking out of the sub that can be
> caught u/w.
> > >
> > >Many of the ways we design psubs unnecessarily
> add danger and, in a
> recreational boat, I feel there is no excuse. You
> WILL be caught in
> current, you WILL be caught in low vis or after
> dusk, your equipment WILL
> fail, and medical emergencies WILL occur. It's
> rarely a question of if,
> just when.
> > >
> > >Obviously I'm not advocating a cavalier attitude
> regarding overheads,
> cable, current around wrecks, etc. Like many list
> members, I've dived under
> a lot of adverse conditions (ice, night, wrecks,
> current, injured,
> commercial, etc.) and I maintain to this day that a
> significant alternative
> is available that enhances safety and the u/w
> experience, namely good vis
> from the cockpit.
> > >
> > >Function AND form operating together for a more
> "romantic" experience.
> > >
> > >Rick L
> > >Vancouver
>
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