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  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brass vs. 
  Bronze
  
  Hi Doug.
   
  Your below post made me think of something. I wonder if anyone has ever 
  used a similiar molding process to cast an entire sub. Imagine if someone used 
  foam to create the hull thickness and any
  exterior and interior parts they wanted casted along with the hull. Then 
  they could fill the interior with sand and coat the outside with the same 
  sand. Then the whole thing gets cooked underground
  to allow the now molten foam to run out before the metal is poured in. 
  Then after the mold cooled you would have to remove the sand from the subs 
  hull interior.
  I'm sure I have not stated this procedure technically correct, but you 
  get the idea. Like the discussions on concrete subs we've had here
  before, this would allow hull penetrations, reinforcement rings, and 
  other things like hatch covers to be cast with, or next 
  to the sub. I've made a few underground sand ovens for cooking pigs in 
  the ground Hawaiian style and was
  wondering if someone made a mold and then buried it underground so you 
  could heat it underground like the Hawaiian Umu sand oven, if this idea 
  is possible. One nice thing would be there would be no
  weld joints to ever fail and you wouldn't take as much time in 
  construction and welding your sub, and you could have thicker portions of hull 
  material in different spots with ease. I wonder if a guy could actually
  dig up his backyard and build a small to moderate size 1 atm sub hull 
  this way. They used to cast cannons, which are a cylinder, why not a sub hull? 
  Just a concept idea I came up with. 
   
  An even easier idea might be to take a propane tank and encase it with 
  special concrete and make a concrete sub really cheaply compared to a steel 
  one. I like the whole molding, casting, pouring, your sub idea,
  what a time and materials saver. Every day I look out back on my acreage 
  and see my two B52 wing tanks and think that if I don't wind up making a 
  pontoon boat out of them how interesting it would be to encase them
  in concrete and make them 1 atm two person subs.
   
  Does anyone know of any information, web sites, etc that might explain 
  about making a mold out of sand and pouring your own metal sub as well as info 
  on concrete subs? I remember seeing someone here was building a concrete 
  sub.
   
  Bill Akins.
   
   
   
   
  
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    Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:29 
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    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brass vs. 
    Bronze
    
    
    I have made several parts for my sub project, including a gear 
    box.  The lost foam process that Jon describes is the easiest 
    especially when using Petro-Bond (oily sand) as the 
    refactroy.  To see details; select  
Lost 
    Foam in Petro-Bond   from the top of this page:
 
    http://www.submarineboat.com/sub/foundry.html .  
    There are lots of examples of things you want to avoid on this page 
    too!   I have only worked with aluminum so far, and I think its a 
    good starting point. Brass,  Bronze and Iron require 
    significantly more heat.  If you dont want to get into 
    casting your own parts you can get professional quality custom parts at 
    a big savings by creating your foam parts and then sending them 
    off to be cast.
 
     
    Best
    Doug