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George,

Check your ambient water pressure number.  At 300 ft crush depth, the
ambient pressure is 130 psig for fresh water not 4410 psig.  As such, scuba
tanks can and do blow ballast tanks at this depth.

Cliff
----- Original Message ----- From: "George Slaterpryce" <gslaterp@hotmail.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]


Archimedes is being designed for a crush depth of 300' and an operational
depth of 150' at crush depth I won't be able to even fill the ballast
because the compressed gas will be at a lower PSI than the ambient
preasure. (4410psi Ambient vs 3000psi in the pony... full) at operating
depth I'll have close to 600 psi to spare so I can blow and adjust the
ballast at depth.

I kept on running into the design problem of how to (cost effectively) use
compressed gas in a ballast system and what I came up with is using a
scuba tank... which automaticly limits me to 3000psi and thus a "floor" of
204 feet before I could no longer blow the tanks. I really wanted to
design something that would crush at 300m and operate at 150m but... I'm
gonna have to settle for what I have if I want a soft ballast.

George Slaterpryce
----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Stanley" <karl@stanleysubmarines.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST]


Why not just make it out of foam- I took a Styrofoam wig head down 2000
feet and it's still got at least 1/3 of it's volume-and floats just
fine-
how deep do you plan on going?  so what if the foam looses a bit - or
even half it's buoyancy- it will still do what you need- and can't
flood, rust or implode!



I was attempting to machine the pieces for a metal "bobber" for my new
soft
ballast tank's water level indicator (Foam just gives at depth, so
that's no
good). The piece is essentially one piece 1cm in diameter 1mm thick
walls
and 1cm in length and another 5mm 1mm thick wall and 1cm in length tube
with
two 1cm diameter 1mm thick "washer" end caps with a center bore hole of
5mm.

I can get the pieces machine out great, that's the easy part. I'm trying
to
weld them all together however and I end up with some really shitty
looking
welds. I've never attempted to weld something so "delicate" before. What
I'm
trying to make here is a preasure proof bobber and the end product
should be
something like a hollow bearing.

All my welding is done via stick arc welding.

Any suggestions?



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