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ross
welcome
i assume that you have some
wants in s sub and a budget.
that where you start.
ambient or 1atm
how deep
how many people
how long duration
what type of view ports/ this point is really!!!
expensive
will it be certified.aslo expensive can add 100
grand to the project.
look at the k350 for a good platform to start
from
remember that everything is a tradeoff
the cheapest way to 1atm is to design around a
depth that you can bail out from if you have a problem. with limited duration
2to3 hours. this allows for a small scrubber and a small o2 system. very simple
system yes you have trashed your gear but you are still alive.
the hull expense is about 20%
not including view ports and penitrators. propulsion systems are approx
10%
view ports can go up to 50% of the total cost.
the expensive systems come into
play when you start talking about 72 hr emergency duration, surface comms,
video, tracking devices, and hyd manipulators.
i have a design for hyd
manipulators that can be built for under 2000 $ if you ebay some and get
creative with others.
that is two arms
rick m
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:34
PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Design
Software
Hello everyone,
I just joined the group. My name is Ross Donato and I live in Ewa
Beach, Hawaii. That's on the South side of the island of Oahu, West of
Pearl Harbor and Honolulu. I am a certified scuba diver but I prefer
free diving and spear fishing with a Hawaiian sling. To me, that is more
of a challenge and more rewarding.
I have been reading your web pages and looking at the pictures for more
than a year, ever since a friend who has connections with the University told
me about you. As you may know, UH operates small deep diving submarines
and has made some important finds like the Japenese minisub from World War
2.
So, a little bit about me. I have worked with machines and tools
for most of my life. I worked on mostly cars and boats, like that.
In fact that is what I do for a living, but it is also a hobby for me.
And! with the big four-oh just around the corner I was thinking "why not build
a submarine?" So I am here to learn what I can, and I will help out
where I can, too.
I see you talking about the Rhino CAD program. I have used it
before and it is very easy to learn. Even better is you can get it
for free to try it out. Use the link Julian gave below to get to the
Rhino home page. Look at the top and see the word "downloads".
Click that and you get to choose "Rhino evaluation". That's it.
You can download it for free and use it. I think you get like
twenty-five saves or something like that before it quits. But then you
can always download it again. It is a good program, simple to learn, and
free. I hope this is of some help to someone.
So, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know of my
interests. If there is anyone willing to help me ! get started I will
appreciate any help I can get. I think I understand how a submarine
works and I can draw my designs but right now I am having trouble trying
to figure out where to start when designing one I might build. How do I
know how thick the steel must be, how much it all must weigh, and like
that?
Are there any books that explain how to figure that out that are not
only for the slide rule crowd? That would help me a lot to start.
I am a high school graduate and not too bad at math and science but I am no
Einstein when it comes to that. But I hear it isn't really so tough
to learn and you don't have to be a big math whiz to do it.
So, I throw my net and see what I get. Any help getting started
with the numbers, you guys out there?
Mahalo in advance.
Ross Donato
Julian Ford <rjford@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Another good 3d modelling package is
Rhino, Very easy to use, and powerful...yet also priced
for home users.
Regards,
Julian Ford
Delphinus Technologies
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005
7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Design
Software
Catia V5... Solidworks... Autodesk
Inventor
But, they all WILL bankrupt you.
Autocad Inventor I believe is the cheapest. There are some pretty
good 2D Cad programs you can get for free if you have no need for
3D. A good one I used was calle! d "Draft IT". If you simply
need a good 2D drafting program I wouldnt bother with Autocad, might as
well get a free program. For 3D, nothing beats Catia, that's why
pretty much our entire modern fleet of military ships and planes are
built with it. Alas, it's a $14,000 program.
Biggest problem with design software is
simply the training involved. To give you an idea: certified
Catia drafters make starting salaries of $65,000+/year... just to draw
parts.
The best "alternative" to the expensive 3D
Cad software is "Alibre". It's actually free for the most part, but
a fully licensed version is still only like $300 I think. It's a
newer system but the support is there simply because of the free
"trial". Also cool because it's designed to be used online ! so you
can collaborate with other designers.
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005
10:01 AM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Design
Software
The time has come to graduate from MS Paint and Word as my primary
design software.
Any suggestions? Try not to bankrupt me though! :)
Thanks
Joe ************************************************************************
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