Carsten,
You are correct, my requirements are so specialized and personal to me as to be impossible to find elsewhere.
You wrote:
"A submarine is from the physic a very simple machine.
People here discuss sometimes very complex solutions- but normal you can
build such a sub with very plain technology."
I think both you and Shawn with his response below have helped me to see things a little clearer. (see below).
Thank You
Joe
Shawn,
You wrote:
"Of all the machines mankind has built, even the space shuttle... the SUBMARINE still remains the most expensive and complex piece of machinery on the planet."
This is actually a true statement, I believe the honor goes to the Trident Missile boats. However, it is by choice and not necessity that this is the case. A Trident sub and Bushnell's Turtle are the same thing, submarines...precisely the point Carsten made above. I think he is in a position to know what do you think?
"Planes work on ONE element of physics... LIFT. And that's it."
As a flight instructor, I am going to respond to this one off list!
Thanks
Joe
From: Carsten Standfuss <Merlinsub@t-online.de>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: Freya
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:32:47 +0100
>If you can build a airplane - you can build a submarine also..
>..I can build both and believe me a aircraft is more complex.
>
>A submarine is from the physic a very simple machine.
>People here discuss sometimes very complex solutions- but normal you can
>build such a sub with very plain technology.
>
>The problem on second hand submarines is that they normaly designed for
>the very special wishes of her owner. You have to decide if you can life
>with this very special solutions.
>
>Sgt.Peppers for example is a boat without a sail and a very low
>freeboard- only useful in Lakes without waves. If you life on a ocean or
>a big lake with fast motorboats...
>
>Freya is also a very special boat designed for shallow harbour waters.
>If you life on a deep lake or ocean...
>
>To say I want a psub - because it is on the market is the same as to say
>"I want a onshore vessel with four wheels" - can be anything from a
>small Porsche up top a heavy truck.
>
>The question is more to ask : What should "my " vessel do for me ?
>Than look with this defintion what the market has. And in 95 % of the
>vessel you will not find your definitions - and than start to build
>your own.
>
>regards Carsten
>
>
>Joseph Perkel schrieb:
> >
> > Bill, Carsten
> >
> > As Al pointed out, she wont fit in the UPS overnight
> > express envelope. I was aware of Freya being for sale before I joined
> > the group. She's a fine boat, a testament to her builders passion and
> > skill but, she will never really be any one else's boat now will she?
> > (Rhetorical question)
> >
> > I could build an airplane, that is a certainty as I have expertise in
> > that field...but nothing "speaks" to her owner quite like a seagoing
> > vessel and submarines are... well special. To actually design and
> > build a functional one is a rare individual lifetime achievement. A
> > lot of people can climb Everest, just pay your money and go fall off,
> > but this...is really special.
> >
> > Eventually, I will learn this business and get down to making a
> > memory.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > From: Carsten Standfuss <Merlinsub@t-online.de>
> > Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Free Flooding Spaces
> > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:41:34 +0100
> > >Ask him directly..
> > >
> > >http://www.submarines.dk/
> > >
> > >regards Carsten
> > >
> > > > Akins schrieb:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Joe.
> > > >
> > > > I know you wanted a WW2 somewhat looking sub design. I
> > heard that
> > > > Freya was for sale at one time by Peter Madsen.
> > > >
> > > > Have you checked out Freya yet Joe? She has that WW2
> > look about her.
> > > > She was originally diesel/electric but I heard
> > > >
> > > > Peter removed the diesel to make it less cramped and now
> > Freya is only
> > > > electric. I wonder if she is still for sale and if she
> > > >
> > > > is, for how much? The advantages would be she is already
> > built and
> > > > working with view ports and all, the disadvantages
> > > >
> > > > would be the cost and she is only set up with electric
> > motors right
> > > > now so her range is more limited. But she had a diesel
> > > >
> > > > in her before, perhaps you could replace it again and
> > have both diesel
> > > > and electric.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know if Peter still wants to sell Freya and
> > for how much?
> > > >
> > > > Bill.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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