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My name is Akins NOT Atkins, Dave
Barks.
You most certainly have discredited yourself with
your rude, discourteous, ill mannered posts, Thank YOU very much. It is well
that you do not care if anyone likes you or not, because after these last posts
of yours along with your earlier ones this week, I doubt if you
have many friends here. You talk about putting people in a bubble as bad, yet you do not
explain how that is a bad thing. You say we are not members of an elite group.
Well then why don't you go away and leave our little unimportant non elite group
in peace? I do not
believe you will be missed.
You had to say you don't care what my Dad said
didn't you? Just had to throw an insult my way. My father was a submariner
during WW2 on the RASHER and is a very wise man. He saw an incredible amount of
action and his sub was tied for the number 2 position
in the pacific for sinking Japanese tonnage. What
have YOU contributed to the submarine service except your abusive manner here?
You like to say things like "It's a stupid
idea" "He needs to get some balls", "Get a life", "Get over it" "Leave it
alone", among other
not very courteous
or nice things that you say. It is obvious you were not a boy scout. I was,
as well as an ex marine and proud of it. You most certainly are discourteous. It
is obvious to everyone here but yourself. It is sad that you are the only one
here that thinks
your socially unacceptable manner of speaking to
people is just fine. You have offered no POLITE reasons specifically as to why
this mans ambient subs are any more dangerous than any other ambient sub. All
you have done thus far is use foul, abusive,
impolite language without offering a POLITE,
SPECIFIC reason why this mans ambient subs are any more dangerous than any other
ambient sub. It is obvious to everyone here that you are not interested in
helping anyone. All you are interested in is being ill mannered
and critical without offering anything positive to
this forum. I have met people like you before. They are sad people. Insecure
people, who TRY to boost their egos by tearing down the accomplishments of
others. They do this because they are jealous that they have
not made any significant accomplishments
themselves. I actually feel sorry for you and people like you. But I will not
put up with your delusions and abusive behavior any longer. Let's put it to a
vote since you think and said you are not discourteous and rude.
Any member who thinks
Dave Banks has been and is rude, and
discourteous, please post and cast your vote as...............................
"Yes, Dave is a jerk"
Any member who thinks Dave Banks has been always
polite and courteous and is an asset to this forum please cast your vote
as......"No, Dave is a great guy"
If we get more yes votes than no ones,
please slither away and be rude and nasty to someone else Dave. Or do
you need to be further embarrased before you learn how to act like a socially
acceptable adult?
Bill Akins.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WOW!!!
Cool Idea "was" Sub form as a float ship normal
Thanks Mr. Atkins,,,,but believe me I have not discredited my
self...thank you very much. I don't care if any one likes me or
not. I said what I said and I meant it...I'm talking about putting a
bunch of people in a dam bubble. We're not members of an elite grope
and I really don't care what you dad said. So get a life and leave
it alone...I'm not a boy scout and I'm not discourteous. The guy
lives and does business from the middle east and walks on the beach
taking movies of him self trying to sell a stupid idea....get over it
Bill........ Akins <lakins1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
I agree totally with Andy.
I don't want to beat up on, or discredit Dave
anymore than he already has done to himself, except to say that there is
absolutely no reason to be discourteous, rude, offensive, antisocial or
destructively critical in this forum.
If someone contacts someone outside this forum
and they have ill words between them, that is different, but this forum
should be sacrosanct.
We should all be here as friends and comrades
and do our very best to help each other in whatever way we can. I am nowhere
near as knowledgable as many of the experts here. I make mistakes. But I try
to help anyone I can and
hope they will do the same for me. I could not
expect help and courtesy from the comrades here toward me if I am
discourteous to them. I think understanding is more important than
criticism. If we think something is a bad idea
rather then being rudely critical, perhaps
we should ask more questions to make sure we totally understand
something before we criticize it. We might find out that we were wrong.
It would be better to be wrong and have simply asked questions
without being rudely critical, than to be wrong
after being rude and have egg on our face. I have learned this from getting
egg on my face a few times. Eating crow is not something I enjoy. After
living 51 years on this planet I have learned that
you can't go wrong by being courteous and nice.
Sometimes I slip, but then I apologize and try not to slip again. Perhaps
some apologies are in order regarding this thread as well Dave.
The thing to remember here is that we all are
members of an elite group whether each member owns a sub or not. We are like
a family of sorts. Like a military platoon that has to work together. Like a
boy scout troop wherein each member
tries to help the others. Dad used to always
tell me that you can get more bees with honey than with vinegar. We should
not need a moderator to keep us in line. We should simply use common sense
and courtesy to one another.
If a member cannot do that I believe the forum
itself will ostracize them and they will find they have no friends or
help from here. We have seen that process already with the responses to this
thread.
The bottom line is.....Do and SPEAK unto
others as you would have them do unto you. As Andy said, please members, do
not leave because of momentary lapses in courtesy. They are definately
not the norm here.
Sorry Andy, it looks like I was even longer
winded. But then I am known for that. Lol.
Kindest regards,
Bill Akins.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:21
AM
Subject: Re: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
WOW!!! Cool Idea "was" Sub form as a float ship normal
To start with I can?t believe that it has escalated to this
point either.
But the fact that so many people spoke up for Herve
before he even had a chance to reply speaks loads for this
community.
Over the course of the time I have been lurking on this
site there have been many people that are trolls or uninformed and have
made bad to very bad statements. But introducing a moderator puts a
great burden on one or 2 people. And reduces the chance of
conversation on history or cutting edge advancements and Darwin
contributors.
To me this a community of scientists ranging from
historians to engineers to explores. With one dream, one goal. To promote
and encourage the discussion, design, construction, certification,
ownership and use of Personal Submersibles.
So Hugo,
Herve
Please don?t leave because of one bad egg. One ill
email.
Sorry for being so long winded.
Thank you for your
time.
Andy Jensen
Fr! om: Hugo Marrero <HMarrero@hboi.edu>
Date:
2005/06/02 Thu AM 07:33:24 CDT
To: "'personal_submersibles@psubs.org'"
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject:
RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WOW!!! Cool Idea "was" Sub form as a
float
ship normal
Wow!
It is a shame that this has
escalated to this point. Perhaps the comments
need to be moderated to
weed out irrelevant and disrespectful material from
this site?
What happened to respect and courtesy? I am begining to
question
my involvement in this
site.....
respectfully,
Hugo
-----Original
Message-----
From: caribsub@coqui.net
[mailto:caribsub@coqui.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:52
AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Cc:
hjaubert@emirates.net.ae
Subject:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] WOW!!! Cool Idea "was" Sub form as a float
ship
normal
Mr Dave... who?
Whatever you say is totally
irrelevant, you have not built anything, you
never
will, you
undoubtedly have no clue on how to create and run a
successful
business, most of all you obviously dont know what you are
talking about,
unlike the long time members of this list you lack the
positive attitude and
the basic qualities to elevate yourself and try
to acheive something .
As far as safety, whilst my subs are being
certified by Bureau Veritas and
ISO
9000 certification, what
credentials do you hold to declare my subs unsafe?
Their comments are
far more productive than your bitter criticisms.
Last but not least,
being succesful is not about marketing or making a
pressurehull,
it is about learning experiences from others, having a vision with
a
drive and having the guts to stick to it.
Herve
Jaubert
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Banks
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent:
Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
WOW!!! Cool Idea "was" Sub form as a float
ship
normal:
Exist?
WOW,,,what a cool idea. Some one has finally
figured out how to give a hole
bunch of people the bends all at one
time. Geee...they can even take
Grandma
and the kids along.
This wonderful exomos site has once again
demonstrated
that
marketing is all it takes to sell any thing. I'm
going to start selling
wings
that strap onto motor homes with
Velcro, quick and easy installation,,,takes
just 15 minuets and you'll
be on your way to glideing through the Grand
Cannon.
But
before I do that I'll need some ma! rketing capital.....so if any one
is
interested...I have swamp land down here in Florida that will
be
worth.....Is
this a negative attitude...hell yes it is....this is
truly one of the
stupidest
things I've ever seen and it scares me
that there are people that actually
look
at this exomos thing as a
SUBMARINE....
IT"S NOT A SUBMARINE....it's an ambient goof machine on a
grand level...this
guy
needs to get the balls and build a pressure
vessel,,, hell,, he's in Dubai
any
way and could never be implicated
in a law suit ........Dave
Banks
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