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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ambiant pressure sub



Hello Jean.
 
You just missed the recent thread we had on this subject. I had proposed something very similiar that further discussion made clear to be although not impossible, pretty much impracticle.
 
I had proposed having a 1 atmosphere sub that could convert to an ambient sub and back again. Some of the reasons I proposed this were the same as your idea. To be able to leave the sub without having to install
 
a diver lockout CHAMBER and to use the sub for decompression after diving. Instead of building a seperate lockout chamber within the sub which would take up a lot of space, I proposed just pressurizing the sub and making
 
it ambient and then opening a bottom hatch to enter and exit the sub.
 
Then I proposed after the diver reentered the sub, to make the sub 1 atmosphere again. This all sounded well and good until Carsten asked me how I was going to get rid of the pressurized air? You can't just let it bleed out of the sub. It will not unless you
 
take on water to replace it's volume. As Carsten wisely said you would have to have a compressor in the sub and actually suck air from the interior into the compressor and compress it into a tank to bring down the pressure from ambient to 1 atmosphere again.
 
Yes it may be possible but would take up more space than having a diver lockout chamber which would defeat the whole purpose of doing it. By the time you had a compressor taking up space to compress the air into a tank and make the interior 1 atmosphere again and
 
also kept the space clear to have a bottom hatch which means another spot unusable because you would have to have that area clear so you could open the hatch, it would take up about as much or more room than just having a conventional diver lockout chamber.
 
It's a great idea and would seem to work until you start to think about how are you going to get rid of the pressurized air in the sub. Once the interior is pressurized and ambient the interior is the same pressure as the outside water as you know. The problem is
 
that now you cannot bleed off that air pressure into the water because the air does not want to leave the sub because there is no pressure pushing it out since the interior and exterior of the hull is the same pressure at ambient. I suspose you could use the compressor
 
to suck air from the interior and instead of putting in into a tank and saving it which would make sense, you could just use the compressor to suck air from the interior and expell it out into the water if you closed your bottom hatch when you did this. If you did not use a
 
compressor the only way you could depressurize the sub would be to surface so the air could expand as you accended with your bottom hatch OPEN and THEN air would bleed out but only as you surfaced and would only become 1 atmosphere again when you were
 
either almost surfaced or actually surfaced.
 
But don't feel bad, I missed the physics on that one too until Carsten set me straight.
 
Kindest Regards,
Bill Akins.
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 6:23 AM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ambiant pressure sub



Hi all,

 

I am looking for somebody who would have built a sub with a dry ambiant pressure cabine making possible for a divert to get out for a dive and to get back in to be able to complete the deco by reducing the cabine pressure ?

 

regards

 

jean mi  

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