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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Spearfishing WARNING



Bill,
This has been of some concern to me also.  The guy I share my office with is a "Coasty".  We've had some pretty lengthy discussions about what a person could do to make all the different law enforcement / Homeland Security  organizations aware of my sub when it is ready to go.  Located basically on the Houston Ship Channel, I'm more worried about being accused of building a terrorist device than of drug smuggling, especially with a "gun barrel" welded to the top of it.  As you, I am planning to make as many people aware of it as I can, even to the point of notifying the local Federal agencies.  I'm also planning to have some type of removable cover for the barrel, so I don't have bored drivers with cell phones calling in a "suspicious device" when I'm trailering it to the water.  It's a shame that things have to be this way.
Best Regards,
Cliff
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Akins
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:05 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Spearfishing WARNING

Dear Silky.
 
I question your friends judgement when he built a submarine in the midst of the largest cannabis plantation in the world. It is human nature to think....If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck,
 
and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck. I can understand how the authorities whether right or wrong assumed it was for drug smuggling. If he had notified the authorities before hand that he was
 
building a sub and made sure they understood, this might not have happened to him. It is unfortunate that someone has to let the authorities know and maybe even get their permission
 
to do something that is not illegal like building his sub. This does not excuse the authorities for making their mistake, but I think it is understandable. It appears the authorities saved a little face by retaining
 
the weapons charges for the spearguns being mounted on it. They probably did this so your friend could not bring charges against them. If they have something on him he most likely will not bring charges
 
against them. Typical cover your butt procedure for authorities caught making a mistake. One question. Did they return his sub to him? I am going to suspect that they kept it and used the "weapons" charge to
 
justify him not getting his sub back. This way not only do they save face, but they make sure his sub is never used for drug smuggling. They might think it would be possible for a boat to tow the sub underwater and unseen for some
 
distance, and then have a quick release cable on the sub so it could detach if a patrol boat came along and the tow boat warned the sub. This way the sub COULD be towed for a drug run and detach and hide until a patrol boat left after inspecting the tow boat.
 
Then the sub could reattach the communications, air, power and tow lines and continue on underwater with the tow boat. This is a possible scenereo and I believe could be, or maybe already has been done. It makes sense. It might sound difficult but
 
drug smugglers are crafty and the payoff is very high when they succeed so they have a lot of money to built a complex, detachable tow, sub.   I always believe if it can be done, it will be done, by someone eventually.
 
When my sub is operational I plan to join my close by local coast guard auxillary. That way the coast guard will know about my sub and myself, and hopefully this will preclude any misconceptions about my subs use by the authorities. I foresee that I could get
 
some raised eyebrows from authorities what with all the terrorism in the world and our increased homeland security (or lack thereof, Lol) I plan to use common sense and be very open about my sub and its use. Me helping in the coast guard
 
auxilliary is a good thing and doesn't hurt your image in the eyes of the coast guard because they know what you are about and this helps to avoid what happened to your friend. Being a member of the coast guard auxilliary doesn't mean I
 
wouldn't be able to use the sub to attach a limpet mine to a ship, but it sure makes it less likely in their perception. That is what really counts here isn't it? The authorities mistaken perception of your friend.  
 
I sympathize with your friend. I do hope he got his sub back but I doubt it.
 
Your point is very valid and well taken. Thank you for sharing it with us.
 
Kindest Regards,
 
Bill Akins.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: silky
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 6:42 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Spearfishing WARNING

I dont know what the if this is relative to the laws in USA but worth going into. (sorry about spelling(not english)) (intro) i was born in spain and lived in the riff for some time (this is the largest cannabis plantation in the world) i have been spearfishing all my life, (main)a few years ago a friend from the riff atempted to built a psub for spearfishing reason! however it was conviscated by the military police and he was sent to cort with charges of having built a drug sub and aditional charges for having mounted weapons (spearguns!) (result)he spent 1.5 years in jail for this befor a friend was able to prove that he would never have been able to navigate\ travel 20km to spain and thus as he is capable of such calculations, prove that this was never the intention. the courts accepted this but did not drop the charges about the weapons(truely outrageos). He is being released this summer. so dear spearfish psubers please dont get accidentaly involved in suchlike i think this may b a problem if you live far south much respect

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