Wow - can you say over-reaction?
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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:13 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Complaints about submersibles visiting the
Titanic
No way! Id be first in line for buring property of the ecological
vandals!, do unto others I say!
You have a very funny idea of how to manage property, but perhaps from
now, you can keep your ideas offlist, since they are hardly related to
submarines.
Its a pity, since I have blocked you from my personal mail list. EM.
Coalbunny wrote:
Nothing wrong with being a tree hugger, Erik. Until it gets to the
point of burning homes, destroying personal property, tree spiking or
murdering people. As for Yellowstone, good luck, 'cause you're gonna
need it. Blame the NPS. One thing I learned in my "efforts" is if
you make it a park, people will come. The best way to keep it
pristine is to NOT make it a park. Park status protects nothing, but
only provides a mode of income for some brainless twit in Washington
DC.
Carl
Erik Muller wrote:
Im a tree hugger!, and I'll do my darndest to stop humanity from
turning beautiful yellowstone into a plastic los angeles! Get away
you ecological vandals!!
Unfortunatly, I can't claim to be a 'wealthy' treehuggers. That is a
stereotype that is a new one for me!!
Peace man, I have to tie-dye my pants now.
No Periscope wrote:
It was only a matter of time before this subject became a
significant problem and a deep concern of mine personally. I've
gone through the comments from each of you and made notes for
each. I've deleted portions but have kept the meat of your
comments. I don't think I've taken anything out of context and
agree with each for the most part. To keep it simple to
understand
I've made my comments in *BOLD*.... Dave
1st hand although the pillaging of the wreck and landing on
it's
deck is unforgivable, it is still a grave site after all. People
who vandalize, and people who let people vandalize, don't have
rights to monuments. I personally don't feel that the titanic
falls under this category, but there are plenty who do.
*I don't believe that a grave site is a significant issue. Any
one there is dead and couldn't care less. People have been
giving
tours by bus around grave yards in Hollywood for ages and no one
ever says a dam thing about it. It's even publicly advertised.
The
grave yards even have roads so it's easily accessible to the
public. The Titanic is not a monument and is just a big ship
that
got built, sank, and is now being visited. Submarine tours to
the
Titanic or any other wreck including the Edmond Fitzgerald is
just
a way of making money for those of us still alive. And it's no
different than taking a bus ride through any Hollywood grave
yard. The United States is becoming a place that is operated by
Lawyers and Tree Huggers and any time some one figures out a way
to make a living, some one else gets jealous and wants to put an
end to it. And it's almost always a Lawyer or an already
wealthy Tree Hugger. *
Steven Mills wrote:
Carsten, also we are perceived as a liability and safety
risk. Nonetheless, our concern should be how restrictive will it
become for us with future legislation.
Steve
*Again this is correct but there will always be those that go
where no one has gone before. There will always be those that
ask
"Why" and those that ask "Why Not". There will always be those
that make something happen, those that watch things happen, and
those that ask what happened? The legal system that is so deeply
entrenched in the US is spreading to other countries and seems
to
be a disses out of control. This has created it's own anti
virus
which forces* *or requires* *some to travel outside the
boundaries
of the road most traveled. Activities have always occurred at
night and will continue as long as necessary and loop holes will
be found by those that look for them. *
Ian, my fife cents - Titanic is made from mild steel and will be
gone in 50-100 years completly - with or without submersibles..
Better they visit them now and so often they can - make
pictures,
videos and raise something for public museum porpose before she
is
a debris
field of flat plates. I can not believe that a submersible touch
the deck with almost zero bouancy can badly damage a stable
wreck
- and a unstable wreck will go in a couple of years anyway. In
the
baltic sea - now virtual every wreck in german waters is protect
by law for archelogical reason - even the newer ones.. there is
no lost information on board of the Titanic make it worth to
special-protect this wreck so that only siencetific can visit
here. Its great history for shure - but a archaeological site ?
best regards Carsten
*Your absolutely right Carsten, the reality of any submersible
causing damage to a ship that sank in 12,000 feet of water is a
crazy joke. It seems to me that the real damage happened years
ago when they ran into that giant ice cube floating around in
the
Atlantic. It was a total loss, what are these people thinking,
have they forgotten how it got there. These people are stupid,
when a car ends up in the junk yard, you can scratch the paint
and
nobody sys any thing. Even though someone may have died in the
wreck. *
Although must of people on the list won't get a drive a
submarine
to see the Titanic, this is a high profile monument and when
people
claim that it's damaged by submersibles, it gives all
submersibles
a bad name...
Ian.
*I wouldn't worry about it to much Ian, I feel that most adults
have gotten to a place that they give the media little to no
credit and realize that it's just a bad late show. And as for
the
written press, any one that believes what they read in a news
paper is never going to make an important difference in any one
else's life any way. All they can do is slow us down.*
*Dave*
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