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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Complaints about submersibles visiting the Titanic
Wow - can you say over-reaction?
G
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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Erik Muller
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:13 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Complaints about submersibles visiting the
Titanic
No way! Id be first in line for buring property of the ecological
vandals!, do unto others I say!
You have a very funny idea of how to manage property, but perhaps from
now, you can keep your ideas offlist, since they are hardly related to
submarines.
Its a pity, since I have blocked you from my personal mail list. EM.
Coalbunny wrote:
> Nothing wrong with being a tree hugger, Erik. Until it gets to the
> point of burning homes, destroying personal property, tree spiking or
> murdering people. As for Yellowstone, good luck, 'cause you're gonna
> need it. Blame the NPS. One thing I learned in my "efforts" is if
> you make it a park, people will come. The best way to keep it
> pristine is to NOT make it a park. Park status protects nothing, but
> only provides a mode of income for some brainless twit in Washington
DC.
> Carl
>
>
> Erik Muller wrote:
>
>> Im a tree hugger!, and I'll do my darndest to stop humanity from
>> turning beautiful yellowstone into a plastic los angeles! Get away
>> you ecological vandals!!
>>
>> Unfortunatly, I can't claim to be a 'wealthy' treehuggers. That is a
>> stereotype that is a new one for me!!
>>
>> Peace man, I have to tie-dye my pants now.
>>
>>
>> No Periscope wrote:
>>
>>> It was only a matter of time before this subject became a
>>> significant problem and a deep concern of mine personally. I've
>>> gone through the comments from each of you and made notes for
>>> each. I've deleted portions but have kept the meat of your
>>> comments. I don't think I've taken anything out of context and
>>> agree with each for the most part. To keep it simple to
understand
>>> I've made my comments in *BOLD*.... Dave
>>>
>>> 1st hand although the pillaging of the wreck and landing on
>>> it's
>>> deck is unforgivable, it is still a grave site after all. People
>>> who vandalize, and people who let people vandalize, don't have
>>> rights to monuments. I personally don't feel that the titanic
>>> falls under this category, but there are plenty who do.
>>>
>>> *I don't believe that a grave site is a significant issue. Any
>>> one there is dead and couldn't care less. People have been
giving
>>> tours by bus around grave yards in Hollywood for ages and no one
>>> ever says a dam thing about it. It's even publicly advertised.
The
>>> grave yards even have roads so it's easily accessible to the
>>> public. The Titanic is not a monument and is just a big ship
that
>>> got built, sank, and is now being visited. Submarine tours to
the
>>> Titanic or any other wreck including the Edmond Fitzgerald is
just
>>> a way of making money for those of us still alive. And it's no
>>> different than taking a bus ride through any Hollywood grave
>>> yard. The United States is becoming a place that is operated by
>>> Lawyers and Tree Huggers and any time some one figures out a way
>>> to make a living, some one else gets jealous and wants to put an
>>> end to it. And it's almost always a Lawyer or an already
>>> wealthy Tree Hugger. *
>>>
>>> Steven Mills wrote:
>>> Carsten, also we are perceived as a liability and safety
>>> risk. Nonetheless, our concern should be how restrictive will it
>>> become for us with future legislation.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> *Again this is correct but there will always be those that go
>>> where no one has gone before. There will always be those that
ask
>>> "Why" and those that ask "Why Not". There will always be those
>>> that make something happen, those that watch things happen, and
>>> those that ask what happened? The legal system that is so deeply
>>> entrenched in the US is spreading to other countries and seems
to
>>> be a disses out of control. This has created it's own anti
virus
>>> which forces* *or requires* *some to travel outside the
boundaries
>>> of the road most traveled. Activities have always occurred at
>>> night and will continue as long as necessary and loop holes will
>>> be found by those that look for them. *
>>> Ian, my fife cents - Titanic is made from mild steel and will be
>>> gone in 50-100 years completly - with or without submersibles..
>>> Better they visit them now and so often they can - make
pictures,
>>> videos and raise something for public museum porpose before she
is
>>> a debris
>>> field of flat plates. I can not believe that a submersible touch
>>> the deck with almost zero bouancy can badly damage a stable
wreck
>>> - and a unstable wreck will go in a couple of years anyway. In
the
>>> baltic sea - now virtual every wreck in german waters is protect
>>> by law for archelogical reason - even the newer ones.. there is
>>> no lost information on board of the Titanic make it worth to
>>> special-protect this wreck so that only siencetific can visit
>>> here. Its great history for shure - but a archaeological site ?
>>>
>>> best regards Carsten
>>>
>>> *Your absolutely right Carsten, the reality of any submersible
>>> causing damage to a ship that sank in 12,000 feet of water is a
>>> crazy joke. It seems to me that the real damage happened years
>>> ago when they ran into that giant ice cube floating around in
the
>>> Atlantic. It was a total loss, what are these people thinking,
>>> have they forgotten how it got there. These people are stupid,
>>> when a car ends up in the junk yard, you can scratch the paint
and
>>> nobody sys any thing. Even though someone may have died in the
>>> wreck. *
>>> Although must of people on the list won't get a drive a
submarine
>>> to see the Titanic, this is a high profile monument and when
>>> people
>>> claim that it's damaged by submersibles, it gives all
submersibles
>>> a bad name...
>>>
>>> Ian.
>>>
>>> *I wouldn't worry about it to much Ian, I feel that most adults
>>> have gotten to a place that they give the media little to no
>>> credit and realize that it's just a bad late show. And as for
the
>>> written press, any one that believes what they read in a news
>>> paper is never going to make an important difference in any one
>>> else's life any way. All they can do is slow us down.*
>>>
>>> *Dave*
>>> **
>>> g
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