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From: "marki katschor" <les_marki@riverview.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:03:46 -0500
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i checked the setting, its public ,, password hotdog if you have to
----- Original Message -----
From: "irox" <irox@ix.netcom.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Off Topic : Fwd: : dam


>
> Hi Marki,
>
> I'm unable to access your photos, maybe there is some public share option
> you need to set.
>
> Thanks,
>   Ian.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marki katschor <les_marki@riverview.net>
> Sent: Nov 12, 2004 3:57 PM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Off Topic : Fwd: : dam
>
> im 17 miles from pierson,MI. anybody looking for a small 1 man 1 atm. sub?
> would like to sell mine,,6,500.00. made video 7 weeks ago.  Im building a
> bigger one,here are some pictures.
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lkatschor/my_photos
> dident have time to take it past 15 feet this year.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Mills" <invacuo@applevalley.net>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 2:20 PM
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Off Topic : Fwd: : dam
>
>
> > Sorry for this off-topic post, but I couldn't resist sharing
> > this.  A friend sent this to me in response to my research into
> > gov't regs affecting boating and submersibles...etc.
> >
> > cheers, --Steve
> >
> >
> > Subject: dam
> >
> >
> > > Mr. Ryan DeVries
> > > 2088 Dagget
> > > Pierson, MI 49339
> > > December 17, 2002
> > >
> > > SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. DeVries:
> > >
> > > It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental
> > > Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above
> > > referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal
> > > landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized
> > > activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across
> > > the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the
> > > start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files
> > > shows that no permits have been issued.
> > >
> > > Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in
> > > violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural
> > > Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts
> > > of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan
> > > Compiled Laws, annotated.
> > >
> > > The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams
> > > partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and
> > > flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are
> > > inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore
> > > orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to
> > > restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and
> > > brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work
> > > shall be completed no later than January 31, 2003.
> > >
> > > Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so
> > > that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff.
> > > Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized
> > > activity on the site may result in this case being referred for
> > > elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your
> > > full cooperation in this matter.
> > >
> > > Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any
> > > questions.
> > >
> > > Sincerely, David L. Price
> > > District Representative
> > > Land and Water Management Division
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Response sent back.]
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Price,
> > > Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County
> > >
> > > Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond
> > > to.
> > >
> > > I am the legal landowner but not the contractor at 2088 Dagget,
> > > Pierson, Michigan. A couple of beavers are in the (state unauthorized)
> > > process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across
> > > the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for,
> > > authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be
> > > highly offended that you call their skillful use of natural building
> > > materials "debris."
> > >
> > > I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their
> > > dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can
> > > safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills,
> > > their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence,
> > > their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your
> > > request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first
> > > fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.
> > >
> > > My first dam question to you is (1) Are you trying to discriminate
> > > against my Spring Pond Beavers or (2) do you require all beavers
> > > throughout this State to conform to said dam request?
> > >
> > > If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers,
> > > through the Freedom of Information Act I request completed copies of
> > > all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued.
> > > Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301,
> > > Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental
> > > Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections
> > > 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.
> > >
> > > I have several concerns. My first concern is - aren't the beavers
> > > entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are
> > > financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -
> > > so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The
> > > Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed
> > > during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a
> > > natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In
> > > other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than
> > > harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the
> > > stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition, please contact the
> > > beavers - but if you are going to arrest them, be aware that they
> > > obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter due to
> > > inability to read English.
> > >
> > > In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build
> > > their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green
> > > and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to
> > > live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and
> > > Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the
> > > natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams). So,
> > > as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be
> > > referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait
> > > until 1/31/2003? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then
> > > and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass
> > > them then.
> > >
> > > In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real
> > > environmental quality (health) problem in the area: the bears. Bears
> > > are actually defecating in our woods! I definitely believe you should
> > > be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If
> > > you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step (the
> > > bears are not careful where they dump).
> > >
> > > Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to
> > > contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response
> > > to your day office via another dam government organization - the USPS.
> > > Maybe, someday, it will get there.
> > >
> > > Sincerely, Stephen L. Tvedten
> > > The University of Texas at Austin
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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