Re: Reply to: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast System

["Adam Lawrence" <adteleka@in-tch.com>]

The only thing diminishing here is the time we have left in life to build
and play with subs!
Your not that bad. :-)

Adam

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Mills" <cirtemoeg@juno.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Reply to: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast
System


> Adam,
>
> Noted !
>
> BTW, I did not feel "diminished" by your response.  :-)
> Neither did I feel it an attack upon me.
>
> I took your response as a clarification.
>
> I'm not that bad am I?
>
> --Steve
>
>
> On Tue, 11 May 2004 10:00:13 -0600 "Adam Lawrence" <adteleka@in-tch.com>
> writes:
> > I will never suggest that any topic is not worth discussing.
> > Discussion on
> > ballasting is always beneficial. I have stated that I have
> > researched them
> > and I have found that I do not need or want a VBT in my sub. There
> > are very
> > successful subs, as Vance pointed out, that do not have a VBT. Now
> > someone
> > here who is not sure about this (ballast~buoyancy) aspect in there
> > sub yet,
> > can see that there are options, different roads taken,  and it is up
> > to that
> > person to determine in there head what they will do and why.
> > Submersibles
> > are like cars. Everyone has a personal preference when it comes to
> > buying a
> > car. All the cars on the market look different but they all are
> > successful
> > (somewhat). I bought a truck because.... or I bought a car
> > because.... It
> > has these options because.... I like this manufacturer because....
> > We all
> > have different vehicles parked in the garage and we will all have
> > different
> > subs. The point here is to think for yourself, develop your own
> > reasons and
> > even more importantly, give thought to methods used in the past and
> > current
> > methods and don't be bullied by me or by someone who says you will
> > die if
> > you don't do it there way! Let it die on paper or experimentally
> > then you
> > will have exhausted that avenue. When someone starts off with
> > talking about
> > safety first, in my opinion this is a bunch of manipulative bunk. Of
> > course
> > safety is important, God gave us five senses and we know how not to
> > abuse
> > them. More accidents will and have happened during the fabrication
> > or
> > maintenance of  subs then while diving a sub, and hopefully all of
> > our
> > mistakes happen while we are designing our subs and they are
> > corrected
> > there!
> >
> > "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
> >   --  Thomas Edison
> >
> > Think on,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steven Mills" <cirtemoeg@juno.com>
> > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: Reply to: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal
> > Ballast
> > System
> >
> >
> > > Hi Adam,
> > >
> > > I hope you aren't suggesting that VBTs aren't worth discussion
> > because
> > > you do not want one in your submersible?  Anything that will give
> > me an
> > > insight toward the inner workings of a sub, whether it's a deep
> > diver or
> > > shallow wet sub,  can only enhance my understanding and bring me
> > > closer to building my sub.
> > >
> > > However, on another note, I do find a problem with the direction
> > some
> > > discussions take.  It is one thing to use one's knowledge and
> > experience
> > > to present a case supported by facts as an argument and another
> > > to use one's knowledge and experience to diminish an "experienced"
> > > member's
> > > credibility, regardless whether the attack is mild and couched in
> > > apologetics or
> > > downright malicious. Common courtesy at the very least must
> > prevail !
> > >
> > > --Steve
> > >
> > > [ on the other hand, if someone attacks the group, then let all
> > hell
> > > break loose : ))  ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:32:29 -0600 "Adam Lawrence"
> > <adteleka@in-tch.com>
> > > writes:
> > > > I personally do not have and do not want a VBT in my sub. They
> > take
> > > > up
> > > > valuable space in the sub and are nothing more then an extra
> > bell
> > > > and
> > > > whistle that some engineer thought up as sort of something to
> > "one
> > > > up the
> > > > competition" for some government money (my exaggerated opinion).
> > > > These tanks
> > > > can be good for deeper diving subs where air does funny things,
> > but
> > > > they are
> > > > definitely not a necessity for anyone who is building  a psub,
> > they
> > > > are
> > > > just on optional bell and whistle. I do however have variable
> > > > buoyancy
> > > > tanks. I get a kick at of the lengths to which you have gone,
> > Hugo,
> > > > to tell
> > > > us what these deep subs have for buoyancy control systems, while
> > > > trying to
> > > > rub Vance's nose in something, of which, you two are talking
> > about
> > > > the same
> > > > thing. I see the difference here as viewpoint, HBOI has to have
> > an
> > > > established vocabulary so as to minimize confusion behind its
> > own
> > > > doors and
> > > > they have written and rewritten their own dictionary in a way.
> > But
> > > > wait, go
> > > > talk to Newtco or all the other successful outfits and I bet the
> > men
> > > > who did
> > > > all the thinking at those places will explain ballast and
> > buoyancy
> > > > differently.
> > > > My opinion here, but back to VBT's, don't need em and don't want
> > em.
> > > > Some of
> > > > the most amazing designs in this world turned out to look very
> > > > simple, but,
> > > > they took the most brainpower to conceive.
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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