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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast System

To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast System
From: "Brian Cox" <ojaibees@ojai.net>
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 06:02:58 -0700
References: <20040507.001656.-1483943.0.cirtemoeg@juno.com>
Reply-to: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
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Steve, 
       The new model  - is - a working model, here is a link to my web page with photos of the model in the pool: 
http://www.ojai.net/ojaibees/index.htm

Brian

----- Original Message --

From: "Steven Mills" <cirtemoeg@juno.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast System


> Thanks Brian,
> 
> Indeed, that's quite a change.  I like both designs and found the
> first intriguing. Did the first allow for more ballasting, batteries, or
> both?  The newer one will certainly be more hydrodynamic. But the
> first still has possibilities.
> 
> I like the the model prototyping approach !  Will this be static or do
> you
> plan to make a working proto' ?
> 
> --Steve
> 
> 
> On Thu, 6 May 2004 21:23:48 -0700 "Brian Cox" <ojaibees@ojai.net> writes:
> > Steve,  
> >               I posted my updated model on the moki exchange,  the 
> > thrusters are not on this model but they would go on the sides.  I'm 
> > hoping to be able to generate approx 9.5 horse power per thruster 
> > (max) for 50 minutes, that would totally drain the batteries so in 
> > reality I would probably never do that unless of course I was being 
> > chased by a giant squid !  I have no idea how fast I will actually 
> > be able to go. Maybe 6 to 8 knots ?
> > 
> > Brian
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steven Mills" <cirtemoeg@juno.com>
> > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 2:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast System
> > 
> > 
> > > Brian,
> > > 
> > > What are the specs for your thrusters?
> > > 
> > > Maybe it's just the graphics [ or me ], but they seem kinda small
> > > to be pulling that mass and hull configuration for speed?
> > > 
> > > Also, the position of the thrusters? Will the thruster wash flow 
> > over the
> > > skinlayer of the hull or deflect/push outward?
> > > 
> > > ' Just wondering.
> > > 
> > > --Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 6 May 2004 12:34:57 -0700 "Brian Cox" <ojaibees@ojai.net> 
> > writes:
> > > > As far as speed and maximum range I'm afraid ESMAE will rule the 
> > high 
> > > > seas !!
> > > > 
> > > > Brian
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Pierre Poulin" <pipo305@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:50 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast 
> > System
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Marten,
> > > > > 
> > > > > My sub will have a drop-weight of about 700-800 pounds. Total 
> > > > displacement 
> > > > > of my sub is 1200 pounds. The drop-weight could be used for 3 
> > > > things... 1- 
> > > > > to beat Solo in pure speed. 2- to kill anything that swim. 3- 
> > to 
> > > > sink 
> > > > > anything that float.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Seriously... The purpose of the drop weight is if I get 
> > entangle 
> > > > on 
> > > > > something, I will have 800 pounds of lift to bring the 
> > something 
> > > > with me to 
> > > > > the surface. I want to keep eject as last resort.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Pierre "March II" Poulin
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >From: "Marten Liebster" <mliebster@tbteam.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > > >To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast 
> > > > System
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:15:52 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Pierre,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks for the response.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Technically I don't know, but they do have the same affect. 
> > The 
> > > > next 
> > > > > >section
> > > > > >in the handbook, "Emergency Surfacing System", seems to refer 
> > to 
> > > > this. I
> > > > > >probably will add a drop weight to my plan, just an extra 
> > safety 
> > > > feature.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >My conceptual plan uses compressed air to blow the tanks. I 
> > have 
> > > > extra 
> > > > > >tanks
> > > > > >in the system for backup, as well as multiple lines into the 
> > tank 
> > > > for
> > > > > >redundant paths.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I wasn't sure if anyone used electricity to fill/empty the 
> > tank. 
> > > > At least
> > > > > >that's what the book eluded to. Perhaps a pump to speed the 
> > > > filling and
> > > > > >emptying tanks. Or perhaps an electrically operated valve to 
> > > > allow the 
> > > > > >water
> > > > > >and/or air in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Marten
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > > >[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > > Pierre Poulin
> > > > > >Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 1:03 PM
> > > > > >To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast 
> > > > System
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Is drop-weight a method to deballast?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >It certainly don't require electricity!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Pierre
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "Marten Liebster" <mliebster@tbteam.com>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > > > > >To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > > > > > >Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast 
> > > > System
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:23:51 -0400
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Gentlemen and scholars,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Quoting ABS handbook in section 3/17.1.1 (Normal Ballast 
> > > > System):
> > > > > > > >"Each manned unit is to be fitted with a ballast system 
> > > > capable of
> > > > > > > >providing normal ascent and descent and necessary trim 
> > > > adjustments.
> > > > > > > >Ballast tanks that are subjected to internal or external 
> > > > pressure are
> > > > > > > >to comply with the requirements of Section 6. Two 
> > independent 
> > > > means
> > > > > > > >of deballasting are to be provided; one is to be operable 
> > > > with no
> > > > > > > >electric power available."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >In my initial designs I have only accommodated for 1 
> > means of
> > > > > > > >deballasting, using valves and compressed air. I assume 
> > this 
> > > > is the
> > > > > > > >way most psubs are set-up.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >How do you deballast?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Do you have two independent means of doing this?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Thanks for info
> > > > > > > >Marten "the ever-curious" Liebster
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >PS Hopefully I'll start getting some respect - as I have 
> > > > started to
> > > > > > > >read through the ABS book :-)
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