Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Feet wet?

["Ian Wright" <ianwrong@earthlink.net>]

Jay,

I haven't used Acrobat myself, but per the site, you can, "automatically
scan paper document archives to compact, fully searchable Adobe PDF files."
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobatstd/overview.html

I'm not sure what you mean about how the keyword searches would work, so my
apologies if I'm sounding simplistic: if you open a .pdf file you can either
go to the 'File' menu and choose 'Find,' or look for a little binoculars
icon near the top of the page, and you can search the document for
occurrences of whatever word interests you. Example: Search for 'Alvin' and
jump directly to Busby pages relating to it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbarlow@bjservices.ca>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Feet wet?


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> Doug, Ian, et al,
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>       How would the keyword searches work?  I was thinking of graphic
files
> in PDF form, I think it compresses them fairly well and gives you the
> ability to page though the book. If just graphic files then the CD would
> just be a huge directory of JPG's??  I don't know much about this but I
> thought that PDF's would organize the book?   I think that this is an
> excellent idea.  The scanning would be the daunting part but with 200
books
> out there.....
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>
> Jay.
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>                       "Ian Wright"
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> Doug, et al,
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> If someone has the full Adobe Acrobat package, then scanning the book into
> .pdf format is another suggestion.  Some advantages include indexing, the
> ability to run keyword searches, and cross-platform compatibility for any
> Mac heads out there.
>
> Using graphics formats to capture the book material could result in some
> hairy file sizes - especially using bitmaps - if sufficient resolution is
> used to capture all of the book's pictures, and to my knowledge they're
not
> searchable, either.
>
> Ian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Mills" <cirtemoeg@juno.com>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Feet wet?
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> > Doug,
> >
> > I thought there was a scanning project in progress?
> >
> > http://www.busbys.hpg.ig.com.br/busbys/toc.htm
> >
> > The progress has slowed a bit. I assumed he was pooped-out from
> > all that scanning or his scanner gave up the ghost. [ that's quite a
task
> > }
> >
> > Perhaps we could all chip in our time and help out a bit. I could scan a
> > few chapters. For the sake of consistency set a standard for scanning
> > resolution and type of file [ ie. jpeg, bmp, tif, or gif...etc. ]
> >
> > --Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:14:29 EDT SeaLordOne@aol.com writes:
> > > Peter & Ian,
> > >
> > > I used to provide that photocopy service to the PSUBs community.
> > > The book is
> > > so huge (764 pages) that I had to charge $75.00 for the photocopies,
> > > just to
> > > break even.  Then a couple of heavy hitters in the group accused me
> > > of
> > > profiting from copyrighted material.  I knew they were incorrect,
> > > but they were heavy
> > > hitters and I was a little nobody, so I figured I had better not
> > > argue.  I
> > > said I would be a good sport and I contacted the Navy to clarify the
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > The Navy was surprised by my question.  One, the book is published
> > > by the
> > > Navy.  Two, it has no copyright stamp.  Three, it was printed by the
> > > United
> > > States Printing Office.  Why in the world would I think it was
> > > copyrighted?  It
> > > turns out that the Navy used to refer people to a dive shop in
> > > Maryland, which
> > > sold photocopies (for a profit...totally legal).  They were
> > > disappointed when
> > > the dive shop discontinued the business.  But the Navy did turn me
> > > on to a lead,
> > > which led in time to them supplying me with the last 200 copies of
> > > Manned
> > > Submersibles in the Navy inventory.  I have distributed those to
> > > PSUBers all over
> > > the world, but now they are all gone.
> > >
> > > While I was handing out those 200 books, at least a dozen people
> > > promised me
> > > they would either build a website, or press a CD, or take up the
> > > photocopy
> > > mission.  So I figured that once I had distributed the 200 books, I
> > > could retire
> > > from the Busby Book Business.  The torch would pass on to someone
> > > else.  I am
> > > getting the bad feeling that none of those folks is currently in a
> > > position to
> > > continue providing Busby books to the PSUBS community.  If you are,
> > > please
> > > step forward.  If you are not, I am willing go back into the
> > > photocopy business.
> > >  I see Busby as the "bible" every PSUBber should have access to, if
> > > they want
> > > it.  I want to make myself useful to the community, in gratitude of
> > > all I
> > > learn from the community.  I was hoping to move onto other projects,
> > > but if no
> > > one else is going to do it, I will contine to be the go-to guy for
> > > Busby Books.
> > > If someone could help me produce it in CD form, that would make it a
> > > lot
> > > cheaper.
> > >
> > > One last comment on the public domain status of Busby.  Because of
> > > my job
> > > with the Federal Aviation Administration, I have access to copyright
> > > experts that
> > > may not be available to everyone in the PSUBs community.  I have
> > > also spoken
> > > personally and directly to quite a few Navy personnel about this
> > > issue (the
> > > Navy has reorganized a few times since Busby was published, so I had
> > > to follow
> > > the trail).  Public Domain means just what it says.  Mr. Busby never
> > > had rights
> > > to that book, never.  He did not sell the rights to the Navy...he
> > > never had
> > > them.  This was a "work for hire".  He agreed even before he wrote
> > > it that it
> > > would belong to the government and people of the United States.
> > > That is how
> > > the system works.  You can photocopy it and sell it for a huge
> > > profit if you
> > > want to...that is perfectly legal.  You have as much right to that
> > > book as you do
> > > to the Holy Bible or the complete works of Shakespeare.  The folks
> > > who
> > > publish those works have no more rights to them than you do.
> > >
> > > The governments of the world had the wisdom to make sure that, at
> > > some point
> > > in time, almost every non-classified written word will end up in the
> > > public
> > > domain.  Copyright protection is a temporary (often long but never
> > > permanent)
> > > "ownership" the government awards to some authors and their
> > > descendents to
> > > control/make a profit from, their work for a limited time.  But in
> > > time almost all
> > > of it ends up the property of the world's citizens.  The wisdom of
> > > the
> > > founding fathers of western civilization, I suppose.
> > >
> > > I am hoping that my ability to provide 200 virgin Busby Books to the
> > > PSUBs
> > > commuity over the last two years will give me some credibility on
> > > this copyright
> > > issue with the Busby Books.  I would really like to "close the book"
> > > on that
> > > question.
> > >
> > > Peter, please contact me off-line and we can talk about getting you
> > > a Busby,
> > > in some format.  If anyone else out there wants to become the new
> > > go-to guy
> > > for Busby books, please speak up.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Doug Farrow
> >
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