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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Feet wet?
Doug, Ian, et al,
How would the keyword searches work? I was thinking of graphic files
in PDF form, I think it compresses them fairly well and gives you the
ability to page though the book. If just graphic files then the CD would
just be a huge directory of JPG's?? I don't know much about this but I
thought that PDF's would organize the book? I think that this is an
excellent idea. The scanning would be the daunting part but with 200 books
out there.....
Jay.
"Ian Wright"
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22/10/2003 03:54 PM
Please respond to
personal_submersibles
Doug, et al,
If someone has the full Adobe Acrobat package, then scanning the book into
.pdf format is another suggestion. Some advantages include indexing, the
ability to run keyword searches, and cross-platform compatibility for any
Mac heads out there.
Using graphics formats to capture the book material could result in some
hairy file sizes - especially using bitmaps - if sufficient resolution is
used to capture all of the book's pictures, and to my knowledge they're not
searchable, either.
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Mills" <cirtemoeg@juno.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Feet wet?
> Doug,
>
> I thought there was a scanning project in progress?
>
> http://www.busbys.hpg.ig.com.br/busbys/toc.htm
>
> The progress has slowed a bit. I assumed he was pooped-out from
> all that scanning or his scanner gave up the ghost. [ that's quite a task
> }
>
> Perhaps we could all chip in our time and help out a bit. I could scan a
> few chapters. For the sake of consistency set a standard for scanning
> resolution and type of file [ ie. jpeg, bmp, tif, or gif...etc. ]
>
> --Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:14:29 EDT SeaLordOne@aol.com writes:
> > Peter & Ian,
> >
> > I used to provide that photocopy service to the PSUBs community.
> > The book is
> > so huge (764 pages) that I had to charge $75.00 for the photocopies,
> > just to
> > break even. Then a couple of heavy hitters in the group accused me
> > of
> > profiting from copyrighted material. I knew they were incorrect,
> > but they were heavy
> > hitters and I was a little nobody, so I figured I had better not
> > argue. I
> > said I would be a good sport and I contacted the Navy to clarify the
> > issue.
> >
> > The Navy was surprised by my question. One, the book is published
> > by the
> > Navy. Two, it has no copyright stamp. Three, it was printed by the
> > United
> > States Printing Office. Why in the world would I think it was
> > copyrighted? It
> > turns out that the Navy used to refer people to a dive shop in
> > Maryland, which
> > sold photocopies (for a profit...totally legal). They were
> > disappointed when
> > the dive shop discontinued the business. But the Navy did turn me
> > on to a lead,
> > which led in time to them supplying me with the last 200 copies of
> > Manned
> > Submersibles in the Navy inventory. I have distributed those to
> > PSUBers all over
> > the world, but now they are all gone.
> >
> > While I was handing out those 200 books, at least a dozen people
> > promised me
> > they would either build a website, or press a CD, or take up the
> > photocopy
> > mission. So I figured that once I had distributed the 200 books, I
> > could retire
> > from the Busby Book Business. The torch would pass on to someone
> > else. I am
> > getting the bad feeling that none of those folks is currently in a
> > position to
> > continue providing Busby books to the PSUBS community. If you are,
> > please
> > step forward. If you are not, I am willing go back into the
> > photocopy business.
> > I see Busby as the "bible" every PSUBber should have access to, if
> > they want
> > it. I want to make myself useful to the community, in gratitude of
> > all I
> > learn from the community. I was hoping to move onto other projects,
> > but if no
> > one else is going to do it, I will contine to be the go-to guy for
> > Busby Books.
> > If someone could help me produce it in CD form, that would make it a
> > lot
> > cheaper.
> >
> > One last comment on the public domain status of Busby. Because of
> > my job
> > with the Federal Aviation Administration, I have access to copyright
> > experts that
> > may not be available to everyone in the PSUBs community. I have
> > also spoken
> > personally and directly to quite a few Navy personnel about this
> > issue (the
> > Navy has reorganized a few times since Busby was published, so I had
> > to follow
> > the trail). Public Domain means just what it says. Mr. Busby never
> > had rights
> > to that book, never. He did not sell the rights to the Navy...he
> > never had
> > them. This was a "work for hire". He agreed even before he wrote
> > it that it
> > would belong to the government and people of the United States.
> > That is how
> > the system works. You can photocopy it and sell it for a huge
> > profit if you
> > want to...that is perfectly legal. You have as much right to that
> > book as you do
> > to the Holy Bible or the complete works of Shakespeare. The folks
> > who
> > publish those works have no more rights to them than you do.
> >
> > The governments of the world had the wisdom to make sure that, at
> > some point
> > in time, almost every non-classified written word will end up in the
> > public
> > domain. Copyright protection is a temporary (often long but never
> > permanent)
> > "ownership" the government awards to some authors and their
> > descendents to
> > control/make a profit from, their work for a limited time. But in
> > time almost all
> > of it ends up the property of the world's citizens. The wisdom of
> > the
> > founding fathers of western civilization, I suppose.
> >
> > I am hoping that my ability to provide 200 virgin Busby Books to the
> > PSUBs
> > commuity over the last two years will give me some credibility on
> > this copyright
> > issue with the Busby Books. I would really like to "close the book"
> > on that
> > question.
> >
> > Peter, please contact me off-line and we can talk about getting you
> > a Busby,
> > in some format. If anyone else out there wants to become the new
> > go-to guy
> > for Busby books, please speak up.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Doug Farrow
>