Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape & rescue

[Warren Greenway <opensourcesub@yahoo.com>]

Don't dive in freshwater. Just kidding! Heck if I
know.
It would most likely be easier to perform civilian 
rescue (i.e. PSUBBERS) in land-locked bodies of water.
Maybe once we submarine nuts are living underwater
around the world rescue will be a simple hospitality!

Warren.

--- Coalbunny <coalbunny@vcn.com> wrote:
> And what about such events in freshwater?  Who gets
> called?
> Carl
> 
> 
> Warren Greenway wrote:
> > 
> > Hey Ray, my uncle just retired from the Coast
> Guard
> > after nearly thirty years of service. His stories
> tell
> > me that the Coast Guard is happy to use a disaster
> > situation (sinking PSUB, for example) as a more
> > colorful training scenario. I'm sure they wouldn't
> > have
> > a problem making the rescue. However, how does one
> go
> > about sending a distress call when under 300' of
> > water?
> > 
> > Warren.
> > 
> > --- Ray Keefer <Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM> wrote:
> > > Hi Doug,
> > >
> > > From time to time I have thought about who is
> going
> > > to rescue a PSUBer.
> > > I doubt the Navy would dispach a DSRV to rescue
> one
> > > of us and personally I think the Coast Guard
> would
> > > rather haul up a sub with bodies. That way they
> can
> > > tell the populace, see these things are
> dangerous,
> > > they need to be banned, regulated, or whatever.
> If
> > > the Coast Guard recued a PSUBer then the
> publicity
> > > might encourage more PSUBers.
> > >
> > > Of course we could just tell the Coast Guard
> that
> > > the sub that went down was a drug sub, or Al
> Quida
> > > (SP?) leader, with lots of intel, is alive down
> > > there. To that the Coast Guard might respond
> > > promptly.
> > >
> > > Question will then be, do they have the skills
> and
> > > equipment to go deep enough to get that PSUB up?
> A
> > > hundred surface ships floating around will be
> > > useless unless they can get down to the PSUB to
> > > help.
> > >
> > > The conclusion I have come up with is PSUBers
> must
> > > rescue themselves or each other. How heavy is a
> > > K-350? Can I say air transportable? A buddy goes
> > > down, unable to get back up, his surface contact
> > > with the dive plan calls for help, the rest of
> us
> > > moblize and fly and boat to the scene with a few
> > > K-boats.
> > >
> > > We are a long ways from that level of
> > > interdependance and cooperation but as
> > > more and more subs come on line the possiblity
> of
> > > being a mere hours from help may one day be
> > > realized.
> > >
> > > As a related topic. What kind tools can we
> attached
> > > to a PSUB to go recue some one with? An arm?
> Some
> > > kind of cutting tool, like bolt cutters or
> torch?
> > > Lift bags that can be snapped onto the stricken
> PSUB
> > > then inflated?
> > >
> > > Could the recue boat be the two propulsor type,
> like
> > > a K-boat, or would you really need three axises
> of
> > > motion.
> > >
> > > How do you keep the rescue PSUB from getting
> trapped
> > > or caught like the first one?
> > >
> > > The stricken boat. What kind of equipment should
> be
> > > manditory? Marker bouy?
> > > Underwater comms? Sonic and visible beacons?
> > >
> > > Certainly drop weights, ballast blow, flood and
> > > emergency ascent, minimum of 72 hours life
> support
> > > are the mere minimum requirements.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ray
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > SeaLordOne@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Shipmates,
> > > >
> > > > I would like your views on escape and rescue.
> > > >
> > > > As to the original "caught in a net" problem,
> I
> > > have the impression that the average psub would
> lack
> > > the power or bouyancy to escape a large net. 
> These
> > > new mega nets, do they call them drift nets?,
> are
> > > many miles long and many tons heavy.  About 10
> years
> > > ago I read of a section of net three miles long
> that
> > > had broken off and was killing porposes off the
> US
> > > coastline. I don't see how anything short of
> > > Carsten's U-Boat could survive an encounter with
> > > that much net.  Does anyone know any more about
> > > these mega nets?  Are there still large sections
> > > floating loose out there?
> > > >
> > > > Then comes rescue.  Who is going to come to
> our
> > > rescue?  I get the impression from reading the
> paper
> > > that the U.S. Coast Guard has been largly
> > > re-purposed for homeland security, and that
> private
> > > boat towing firms are the closest thing to a
> "rescue
> > > operation" most boats see these days.  Do you
> still
> > > think the Coast Guard would/could help us?
> > > >
> > > > Doug Farrow
> > 
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