Re: Tools used - was [PSUBS-MAILIST] Bill Gifford's Project

["Steven Mills" <barycenter@earthlink.net>]

>From: Alec Smyth <Asmyth@changepoint.com>
>
>My two cents... don't buy something until you need it. 
>............snip................

Don't short change yourself. That was worth at least 3.5 cents :)

Thus far, between you and Carsten, the heavy equipment like
a crane and your "sub dolly" would be a must at the start just
to maneuver the vessel shell in addition to any other heavy
shop machinery.

Plus, it appears the cost of tools and support materials nearly
equals the cost of the sub itself?  If one estimates a bottom line
figure of $15000USD for the sub then figure at least another $15K
for the shop setup.

Any part of the project farmed out to outside services and/or craftsmen
and what were the costs?  [ in other words, a task better left to an
expert rather than costly experimentation ].

>But you know what? None of the above are as important as a very patient 
>wife.

( is your wife looking over your shoulder?  ;-)
Hmmm, well okay, I have my own take on moms, wives, and old girl
friends, but I'll not travese that slippery slope.  I think I've already
commented enough in past messages.

-Steve
  

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Mills [mailto:barycenter@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sat 5/24/2003 11:55 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Tools used - was [PSUBS-MAILIST] Bill Gifford's Project

Thanks Carsten !

That's great...I'm going to start a list and workup for an
ideal workshop.  Hopefully, there will be more input
from others along the way.
Did you or have you been keeping a journal since you began
this project[s]?

[ you are a "submadman"  !   :-)  ]

--Steve


>From: Carsten Standfuss <MerlinSub@t-online.de>
>
> > Some of you veteran builders ; what tools did you end up buying
> > initially that you didn't have at the start. What tools did you add on
> > along the way during the building process?
> 
> Hi Steve..
> 
> I purchase new and additional to my home-tools : 
> A new small stick welder, a new commercial MIG welder, 
> two electric grinder one for fine cut, and one for grinding, 
> a table drilling machine, some half douzend work lights.
> I change the house electric in the basement one one port to 
> 3 phase 380V AC for the welder. All tools designed as
> commercial units. 
> 
> I build :
> Two heavy trailers to move the sections, some bigger and smaller
> rollers to turn the sections during the welding process. 
> One open shelter-hangar.
> 
> I use additional rent or get temporaly for free: 
> One shipbuilding hangar about 65 x 200 feet together
> with the two hangarcranes each 5 tons. One heavy lorry. 
> One forklift. One car-trailer to carry heavy goods. 
> 
> I finished (in 3 years) with grinder plates for some hunder bucks, 
> 3-4 overalls, one set of saftey shoes, two douzend handgloves, 
> welding wire for some hundert bucks for steel, steel+stainless steel, 
> stainless steel, one grinder, two driling machines, some 
> douzend protection glases for the welding harthead etc..etc, etc, 
> ohh.. and one CAD computer.. 
> 
> For the first two years I have the figures here : 
> For material : 26000 Dollar 
> For tools    :  4300 Dollar
> For others   :  2700 Dollar 
> 
> Other items are: sound insulation of the garage, cables, eletric, gas,  
> fax unit and fax paper, pictures, bier during work etc..
> 
> 50-60 % is done - regards Carsten
>