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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS
I do have experience leading projects like this, actually more
complicated in many ways. Complete operating systems aren't the
simplest things! Thanks for the vote of confidence!
Warren.
> Hi Warren
>
> You seem more than competent and more importantly enthusiastic and as a
> software engineer you should be adept at making projects like this knit
> together.
>
> Regards, Garry
> On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:21 pm, Warrend Greenway wrote:
>
> > Sorry, I'm not sure I have introduced myself. You'll probably
> > kick me out when I do! I forgot that step since I have kept up
> > on events at the PSUBS.org webpage for almost three years, so I
> > felt I knew a lot of you...Ooops. My name is Warren D. Greenway
> > I'm not quite 22 years of age, and have had passion for subs since
> > reading 20,000 leagues in second grade. I am a professional Software
> > Engineer in Washington, having gone through intesive homeschool right
> > through college. I write embedded systems code for ultra low power
> > measuring instruments, my specialty being ultra small operating systems
> > which I write for custom applications. I am generally considered well
> > read, being a bit of a book worm who devours classics and anything on
> > subs or oceanography. I have been working in my present position for
> > 3 years, and have been in the workplace full time for 6 years. Sorry...
> > I guess I'm what you'd call a "whipper-snapper", a "young-un", and such.
> >
> >
> > Warren.
> >
> >> Hi submadmans, based on the Kittredge design as startpoint
> >> I would like to see:
> >>
> >> - a doubleseater, 100 % more fun for 15-20% more cost.
> >>
> >> - a warp around acrylic cylinder in the tower like the
> >> the Pauls S101 and S102 have, so we can combinate the
> >> good view of the dome Boats - and the good freeboard of the
> >> tophatch boats versions..
> >>
> >> - a much better outline hull, special at the bow and stern area -
> >> but maybe no cover in the hull area. Bow like S101..
> >>
> >> - a bolted stainless steel frame stern endcap with a seal so the boat
> >> can be completly open for building and later for maintance.
> >> On the stern cap for the reason that we can design a extra section
> >> "Dieselsection" which can be added as plug in modul for the boys with
> >> the long lakes in there garden.. same flange can be used for a diver
> >> exit chamber modul - or for both moduls..
> >>
> >> - all plans also on a DXF/DWG 2D CAD system - special the metal cut
> >> sheets in a form that you can give a disk to a plasma/higwaterpressure
> >> cutting company and all parts can be cut by CNC machines to make the
> >> building
> >> quick, easy and cheap..
> >>
> >> - size mind 2 and max. 3 ts so can be carring behind a light truck.
> >>
> >> - in steel it should be not a big deal to design it for 200-300 meter
> >> (650-1000 ft)
> >>
> >> A figure of 20-30.000 USD is probably right..
> >>
> >> After the general defintion phase - the design team should be
> >> reduce to an expirence and small group - present just results.
> >>
> >> "20 boys into a small galley making something will be a nightmare of a
> >> dinner.."
> >>
> >> It must be a clear non commercial project - or I will not spend any
> >> time
> >> on it.
> >> It must drawn by hand or at a 2D CAD programm - or I am out for
> >> personal
> >> reasons.
> >> I manly will investigate time in this project if I found something
> >> looks
> >> unsave.
> >>
> >> If OSS is a sucess or not - depents only on the campainer/moderator
> >> not on the technic..
> >>
> >> Be carefull Warrend - Campainer for this is a real hard figure.. :-)
> >>
> >> Warrend .. a question - many years at Psubs it was a good pracise to
> >> introduce
> >> yourself.. age, pracise, dreams job etc.. have you done this ?
> >> (Sorry if I maybe I miss that. )
> >>
> >> best regards, Carsten
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Warrend Greenway schrieb:
> >>>
> >>> OK. You have a lot of opinions. :) Ready to help compile that list of
> >>> those interested
> >>> and the skills they bring to the table? A landlubber is perfectly
> >>> suited. Furthermore,
> >>> you seem to grasp the situation perfectly. I don't think we need to
> >>> worry about a new
> >>> server at this point, but I have a server I would offer to the cause
> >>> if it ever got to
> >>> that point. What I would like to see is everyone who has expressed
> >>> interest to either
> >>> post their wish-list or e-mail them to myself or you...:) So we can
> >>> compile a preliminary
> >>> spec. It will probably change a bit as time goes on, but it will give
> >>> us a place to start!
> >>> Please, all, spec the following:
> >>> 1. Length
> >>> 2. Diameter
> >>> 3. Speed
> >>> 4. Range or dive time
> >>> 5. Safe dive depth
> >>> 6. Cost window
> >>> 7. Further comments
> >>>
> >>> It seems like lead acid is the power source of choice. I can handle a
> >>> PWM speed control,
> >>> so I don't think we need to worry about potentiometers or anything
> >>> like that. Batteries
> >>> and motor should probably be stored outside the pressure hull. Steel
> >>> seems to be the
> >>> pressure hull material of choice. Gauges and electronics should be
> >>> left flexible, to
> >>> accomodate a variety of tastes, needs, and budgets.
> >>>
> >>> Let's agree to use DXF for electronic drawings and TXT or HTML for
> >>> text.
> >>>
> >>> Warren.
> >>> warrend@decagon.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Good Evening all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I just read all the posts since this morning... wow! You've been
> >>>> busy.
> >>>>
> >>>> OK... here goes. Carsten had some good points. I think if I spent
> >>>> hours on end burning the midnite oil and then saw that somebody was
> >>>> selling the plans in the back of Popular Mechanics... and getting
> >>>> rich,
> >>>> I'd be furious.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now... open source does not necessarily mean the project could not be
> >>>> turned to profit making. There are lots of people making money from
> >>>> Linux, after all. I also wonder how we might control anyone who did
> >>>> decide to take the OSS design and start building and selling it...
> >>>> copyleft documents would not do.... as such documents do in fact
> >>>> allow
> >>>> one to reproduce and sell it. We need rather, a patent on any
> >>>> intelectual property in the design to do this.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that the best way to control commercial use of the project
> >>>> would
> >>>> be to design it such that it would not be commercially viable.
> >>>> I.e.: a
> >>>> one person submersible could never be used to "give rides", and the
> >>>> potential market for such a machine would be negligible. Liability
> >>>> would kill it before the first dozen had hit the water.
> >>>>
> >>>> The other thing is that it should be stressed concept only. The idea
> >>>> would be for people to build their own machines to the
> >>>> specifications in
> >>>> the project documents... not for anyone to try to market a kit to be
> >>>> assembled.
> >>>>
> >>>> If we produce the plans and the documentation... this material could
> >>>> and
> >>>> most certainly would be copyrighted. It could be distributed free of
> >>>> charge in electronic form. Just the fact that we would be giving it
> >>>> away free would discourage competition.
> >>>>
> >>>> A separate list with url... well, it certainly could be done, but how
> >>>> big a monster is this going to become? Do we need a new list? Do we
> >>>> need a new server... possibly with a forum? Right now this is all
> >>>> new
> >>>> and exciting... like the new girl in school... but the early interest
> >>>> may fade as the drudgery hits.
> >>>>
> >>>> A camel has been described as a horse designed by comittee... but
> >>>> then,
> >>>> a camel is a pretty impressive piece of technology. Even though God
> >>>> likely did not consult a comittee upon finalizing the two or three
> >>>> designs, the concept is still valid. I think that this would
> >>>> function
> >>>> best if somebody would take charge and start assigning tasks as soon
> >>>> as
> >>>> possible.
> >>>>
> >>>> We perhaps need to compile a list of who is interested. We could
> >>>> easily
> >>>> form our own mail list and take it off the psub list... but you know
> >>>> what? I suspect that even those not participating would find the
> >>>> project of interest and it would be a simple matter to set filters
> >>>> up to
> >>>> shunt anything with "OSS" in the subject line to a specific location.
> >>>>
> >>>> A wish list might be one of the first things to be enumerated...
> >>>> just as
> >>>> soon as we know who we are.
> >>>>
> >>>> This could work. For some reason I don't understand, there seems to
> >>>> be
> >>>> quite a bit of commeradery here... and little or no bickering.
> >>>>
> >>>> OK, enough from the landlubber. I've already put out my "wish list"
> >>>> and
> >>>> mentioned how I think I might be able to help. I'm going to sit back
> >>>> and watch until somebody tells me to go out and get an original copy
> >>>> of
> >>>> the plans for Trieste or something.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dale A. Raby
> >>>> Editor/Publisher
> >>>> The Green Bay Web
> >>>> http://www.thegreenbayweb.com
> >>> << dalesignature.gif >>
> >>>
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