Dale A. Raby
Editor/Publisher
The Green Bay Web
http://www.thegreenbayweb.com
Hi submadmans, based on the Kittredge design as startpoint I would like to see: - a doubleseater, 100 % more fun for 15-20% more cost. - a warp around acrylic cylinder in the tower like the the Pauls S101 and S102 have, so we can combinate the good view of the dome Boats - and the good freeboard of the tophatch boats versions.. - a much better outline hull, special at the bow and stern area - but maybe no cover in the hull area. Bow like S101.. - a bolted stainless steel frame stern endcap with a seal so the boat can be completly open for building and later for maintance. On the stern cap for the reason that we can design a extra section "Dieselsection" which can be added as plug in modul for the boys with the long lakes in there garden.. same flange can be used for a diver exit chamber modul - or for both moduls.. - all plans also on a DXF/DWG 2D CAD system - special the metal cut sheets in a form that you can give a disk to a plasma/higwaterpressure cutting company and all parts can be cut by CNC machines to make the building quick, easy and cheap.. - size mind 2 and max. 3 ts so can be carring behind a light truck. - in steel it should be not a big deal to design it for 200-300 meter (650-1000 ft) A figure of 20-30.000 USD is probably right.. After the general defintion phase - the design team should be reduce to an expirence and small group - present just results. "20 boys into a small galley making something will be a nightmare of a dinner.." It must be a clear non commercial project - or I will not spend any time on it. It must drawn by hand or at a 2D CAD programm - or I am out for personal reasons. I manly will investigate time in this project if I found something looks unsave. If OSS is a sucess or not - depents only on the campainer/moderator not on the technic.. Be carefull Warrend - Campainer for this is a real hard figure.. :-) Warrend .. a question - many years at Psubs it was a good pracise to introduce yourself.. age, pracise, dreams job etc.. have you done this ? (Sorry if I maybe I miss that. ) best regards, Carsten Warrend Greenway schrieb: > > OK. You have a lot of opinions. :) Ready to help compile that list of those interested > and the skills they bring to the table? A landlubber is perfectly suited. Furthermore, > you seem to grasp the situation perfectly. I don't think we need to worry about a new > server at this point, but I have a server I would offer to the cause if it ever got to > that point. What I would like to see is everyone who has expressed interest to either > post their wish-list or e-mail them to myself or you...:) So we can compile a preliminary > spec. It will probably change a bit as time goes on, but it will give us a place to start! > Please, all, spec the following: > 1. Length > 2. Diameter > 3. Speed > 4. Range or dive time > 5. Safe dive depth > 6. Cost window > 7. Further comments > > It seems like lead acid is the power source of choice. I can handle a PWM speed control, > so I don't think we need to worry about potentiometers or anything like that. Batteries > and motor should probably be stored outside the pressure hull. Steel seems to be the > pressure hull material of choice. Gauges and electronics should be left flexible, to > accomodate a variety of tastes, needs, and budgets. > > Let's agree to use DXF for electronic drawings and TXT or HTML for text. > > Warren. > warrend@decagon.com > > > > Good Evening all, > > > > I just read all the posts since this morning... wow! You've been busy. > > > > OK... here goes. Carsten had some good points. I think if I spent > > hours on end burning the midnite oil and then saw that somebody was > > selling the plans in the back of Popular Mechanics... and getting rich, > > I'd be furious. > > > > Now... open source does not necessarily mean the project could not be > > turned to profit making. There are lots of people making money from > > Linux, after all. I also wonder how we might control anyone who did > > decide to take the OSS design and start building and selling it... > > copyleft documents would not do.... as such documents do in fact allow > > one to reproduce and sell it. We need rather, a patent on any > > intelectual property in the design to do this. > > > > I think that the best way to control commercial use of the project would > > be to design it such that it would not be commercially viable. I.e.: a > > one person submersible could never be used to "give rides", and the > > potential market for such a machine would be negligible. Liability > > would kill it before the first dozen had hit the water. > > > > The other thing is that it should be stressed concept only. The idea > > would be for people to build their own machines to the specifications in > > the project documents... not for anyone to try to market a kit to be > > assembled. > > > > If we produce the plans and the documentation... this material could and > > most certainly would be copyrighted. It could be distributed free of > > charge in electronic form. Just the fact that we would be giving it > > away free would discourage competition. > > > > A separate list with url... well, it certainly could be done, but how > > big a monster is this going to become? Do we need a new list? Do we > > need a new server... possibly with a forum? Right now this is all new > > and exciting... like the new girl in school... but the early interest > > may fade as the drudgery hits. > > > > A camel has been described as a horse designed by comittee... but then, > > a camel is a pretty impressive piece of technology. Even though God > > likely did not consult a comittee upon finalizing the two or three > > designs, the concept is still valid. I think that this would function > > best if somebody would take charge and start assigning tasks as soon as > > possible. > > > > We perhaps need to compile a list of who is interested. We could easily > > form our own mail list and take it off the psub list... but you know > > what? I suspect that even those not participating would find the > > project of interest and it would be a simple matter to set filters up to > > shunt anything with "OSS" in the subject line to a specific location. > > > > A wish list might be one of the first things to be enumerated... just as > > soon as we know who we are. > > > > This could work. For some reason I don't understand, there seems to be > > quite a bit of commeradery here... and little or no bickering. > > > > OK, enough from the landlubber. I've already put out my "wish list" and > > mentioned how I think I might be able to help. I'm going to sit back > > and watch until somebody tells me to go out and get an original copy of > > the plans for Trieste or something. > > > > > > > > > > Dale A. 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