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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Carsten
Standfuss
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 12:51 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Language was - Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE
Funny.. both.. but great - and I can understand everything..
Pat's is just a little better - sorry Graham.. :-)
Today our childrens speaking a mixture language -
75-80 % german with 20-25 % english - not so lustig/funny.
Comes from TV advertising.. and chat groups :-(
And today I had a great progress with meinen Unterseeboot.
But this tread should end here..
Carsten
Graham K schrieb:
>
> Hallo Pat,
>
> Ihr Deutsch scheint sehr rostig! Ich würde denken, daß wenn Sie eine
> Nachricht auf deutsch geschickt haben, den Sie es richtig tippen würden!
:)
> Hoffe Auf dem otherhand, ich, daß mein Deutsch nicht irgendein schlimmeres
> ist, als ihres Machen eines Narren meines mich selbst.
>
> Beachtungen,
>
> Graham Kuberski
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Captain Nemo
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 4:56 AM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE
>
> Hallo Carsten,
>
> Unsere uhren sind zwolf Stunden einzeln. Das ist hier in Den
Hawaii-Inseln
> Mitternacht-; Mittag in Deutschland. Ich soll schlafen, und wenn Sie
> Mittagessen essen, Sollen sie an Ihrem unterseeboot arbeiten. Aber hier
> sind wir an PSUBS. Wir mussen verruckt sein. ;-)
>
> Ich stimme mit allem uberein, das Sie in Ihrer Nachricht gesagt haben.
Ich
> werde versuchen, auf verschiedenartige Teile, aber auf englisch zu
> reagieren, weil das fur mich einfacher ist, und die anderen Leute
Deutschen
> nicht verstehen konnen.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carsten Standfuss" <MerlinSub@t-online.de>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE
>
> > Pat okay I agree - but ..
> >
> > In 1987 I build the first version of the main-engine of Sgt.Peppers from
> > a old car starter engine. I have still not very much knowledge of
> > electric - only very less.. The power was I think 12 V with 49 amp. The
> > strongest relais I can found on the market was 12 V 40 amp.
> > (I need some relais to switch the engine to the reverse thrust) I
> > connected two relais of 12 v 40 A parallel line together to get one of
> > 12 V 80 A. Works well during test onshore with the propeller in air.. I
> > found no security switch for this currents in the car shop - so I work
> > without one.. During the first drive in water I switch the reverse
> > button - and first the one relias burn fix and out and a milisecond
> > later the other one..
> >
> > - was this experimental ?
> > - or just unsafe ?
>
> Both. And I've had experiences like that, too. Back then, we had to
figure
> it all out as we went along. Kind of scary, wasn't it?
>
> >
> > I think any electrican or somebody with knowlege about electric on Psub
> > can easy explain why this don't work - and why the relias burned out
> > just some 6 inch away from my face. Lucky I manage to shut off the main
> > battery (3,8 Kwh..of power) dissconector switch before a bigger
> > accident turned my face in something others.. (I was 22 in 1987 and my
> > girlfriend at this time like my face in the version it was during this
> > time..
> >
> > Today - if I have something to design on a electric of CSSX - I ask the
> > right people - here on Psub or on the yard. Why take a experiment in a
> > field which is proven and safe since over
> > decades of years ?
>
> I agree. I think one should do all he can to be sure his submarine
systems
> are safe; including asking for assistance when it's available. On the
other
> hand, there are people who build subs as a test of their own skills, and
> they want to do it all by themselves, to prove they can do it. Of course,
> that is more dangerous, but some people like it that way. I worry about
> what they might do to themselves; and what effect it might have on me as a
> subber; and sometimes I've spoken out about it; but beyond that it's out
of
> my hands. They're going to do what they want to do.
>
> When you and I did it that way, it was because there wasn't a lot of
> information about homebuilt sub design and construction available back in
> the 80's. So we developed our boats out of our own private research. My
> subs were the result of years of R&D with everything from snorkels to AIP
> systems; and I experimented with wetsubs and ambients before going on to
> pressure hulls. For me there was no other way. But as you say, that was
> way back then and this is now. Nowadays, there is more informaton
> available. That's good, as long as the information is reliable. And
yeah,
> I think it's wise for the prospective sub builder to take advantage of
that.
> I can't recall ever saying otherwise; and if it ever sounded that way,
> that's not what I meant to say.
>
> But all I was saying in the post before this one is this: even if the
> submarine is a Kitteredge boat, built from plans and using hull components
> manufactured by the local metal-fab shop and welded together by a
> professional boilermaker, it's still an experimental until it's proven
safe,
> and should be treated with caution. Wouldn't you agree?
>
> > Cssx will get a fuelcell drive. this will be my main experiment on this
> > boat - but I do not really want to find out how to close securit a 100
> > Kw electric main engine in a sub full of hydrogen and oxygen.. So I ask
> > allways for help if I found that the physics is a little outside my
> > knowledge..
>
> That makes good sense.
>
> The other experiment on Cssx will be a boat without
> > seawater pipe inside
> > the boat - but with remote controlled outside main vales for all soft
> > and hard tanks.
> > To my knowledge nobody did this before to control such a vessel - so
> > this will be a new
> > field - because the expierence is not make up today. Will report about
> > the results..
>
> Interesting. Will you use automatic servo-valves outside the pressure
hull?
> Will they be hydraulic, pneumatic, electric, or mechanically activated?
> What about backup systems if the automatic valves fail?
>
> >
> > If somebody designed something and display it - maybe in coulor pictures
> > on Psub and maybe very proud.. - and complete wrong or unsafe from a
> > standpoint of a professional- how should we handle that ? Just make a
> > notice for the archive files - were they are quick forgotten ?
> >
> > regards Carsten
>
> Carsten, that question deals with administrative issues and should be
> addressed to the webmaster. This is not my website. I'd rather not
express
> a pubic opinion on that particular subject.
>
> Anyway, nice talking with you, and good luck with your sub.
>
> Pat