Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE

[MerlinSub@t-online.de (Carsten Standfuss)]

Please note .. 

Orville and Wilbur has a good 50% chanche not to survive 
there idears - Otto Lilienthal and many other first pilots
died in there planes - build from unsafe materials  
and total underpowered.. 

The experimental time to check this out for homebuild 
submarines was in the 60ies - many of this units dive only 
one summer.. Than they get in store or scrapped because 
the have to many errors or mistakes. 

Today the expierence for planes and also for submarines
are existing - and there is still a lot of space to develop 
new idears..

If a new dramatic idear has some points of danger - okay why 
not - take a risk.. But.. if the new idear is only unsafe 
and have no technology advantages - prevent them from others. 

As example : 
I developt a dry ambient underwater jet some years 
before - fast and manoverable - can change the attitude 
many meter (feet) in some seconds. I realize during the paperwork 
- if somebody dive to quick or with empty or allmost empty 
air pressure compensator bottle - it will imploded or flooded 
within seconds - I never display this drawing to the group 
- because it is clear unsafe concept.. 

Hydrogen peroxide for example cames as power source into our group 
all years - tell my a historic peroxide-submarine name 
- and I will tell your the year with the exident of this boat.  

Carsten

papakuk@cs.com schrieb:
> 
> Ok I can't stand it any lomger. here's my two cents.........
> 
> It's a good thing Orville and Wilbur didn't subscribe to the "Homemade Ariplane " website or they probably would have never gotten off the ground because of the naysayers. No they didn't have a pilot's license, authorization, qualification or passed any tests that said they could do what they were about to do. But they had tested their idea and had the confidence after doing their homework that their idea would literally fly.
> 
> We have to do the same. this is a relatively new frontier - yes we must do our homework, yes there will be failures - but eventually we have to put our selves in the seat and see if the thing will "fly"
> 
> My personal thanks to everyone out there that is willing to step out and try something different. This is the stuff that Jules Verne and a billion kids out there dream about !
> 
> DBACKIDS@aol.com wrote:
> 
> >Hey all,
> >     I've just been observing for the most part ("most part", but not all the
> >time), as I have no qualifications in this area. But the SUBSAFE dilema has
> >me almost to the point of worry. If you only show the accepted, good ideas
> >(making a pressure hull from steel), and squelch any comment or discussion of
> >bad ideas (propane tank pressure hull), then how are people supposed to know
> >they are bad ideas. Even if you only link the "bad ideas" to the many many
> >articles saying why they are bad, you must at least mention them. Also, if
> >you say something is bad, make sure that you say why. I know I don't listen
> >much when people don't give reasons (gets me in trouble, too).
> >     Basically, I'm saying don't censor the bad ideas or people with them,
> >because you won't get in as much trouble when they kill themselves if you
> >told them not to.
> >     My two cents worth,
> >     David C
> >