Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Building a psub for sale?

[Coalbunny <coalbunny@onewest.net>]

My intent here Carsten is not to certify the nut in the sub knows what
he's doing, but the fella that built it did so by the standards set by
whoever set them, USN, HMRN, whoever.
Carl


Carsten Standfuß wrote:
> 
> Okay - but this is a complete different thing.
> I did it on my main job each day - full certificate ships
> to carry Passangers, or Rescue-, or Firefighter- or Policeman.
> 
> That means you are more or less a comercial yard producing
> vessel. No problem.
> 
> The problem is :
> 
> - You can have a selfbuild sub for about 15.000 USD/euro material.
>   And you are responsible for that sub.
> 
> - You can have the same sub size, designed and build by
>   me or according to your idears of size and how it should work
>   for about 75.000 USD/Euro - and if you agree that you are still
>   responsible for this sub.
> 
> - You can have the same sub size, designed and build by me
>   with all certifcation and documentation of Lloyds, MCA, any
>   additional national and international standard, pressure chamber
>   test etc.. for about 250.000 USD.. and I agree that I am responsible
>   for this sub - but is that a PSUB ?
> 
> Ps : I am just working at my main job on a 197 feet private motoryacht
> full
>      certificate according with Lloyds, MCA, USCG, VDO, BSH, Cayman
> Island, DIN, ISO-
>      and some 10 other rules authorites etc..
>      It takes about 2-5 month before you get a drawing back with there
>      permissions - sometimes they said "Well this is a new item - build
> a
>      prototype of this window design - please, two or three times and
> full size and
>      test them with a destroy test.. it takes about 4 month to build
> just
>      this prototype windows - for the money the test windows cost
>      - you can have your own Psub..
> 
>      .. the joke is : In the Lloyds contract with the yard (for example)
> is a clear
>      notice : That they are just certificate the vesssel to there
> standards - but that
>      they are not responsible for anything..
> 
> Carsten
> 
> Coalbunny schrieb:
> >
> > Carsten and Herve, I can see where there might possibly be some options
> > that could circumvent any problems.  First and foremost is GET IT IN
> > WRITING!  And I mean EVERYTHING!  Second, if you are trained and
> > experienced in sub-building, get certification.  Third, upon
> > completetion of the sub, YOU do the tests and YOU get it certified.
> > Yeah, it's a pain in the butt, I imagine, but then YOU know what it can
> > and can't do.  Then for the grand finale, YOU train the buyer in the
> > operation of the sub, and you give him/her a certificate of completion
> > and have it signed by you and hopefully by a USCG (or the foreign
> > equivalent) representative.
> > CYAG!
> > Carl
> >

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