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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] circumferential lobes



The way I think of it failures with 3, 4, 5, etc lobes are all possible on the same hull, but one of those numbers will simply be associated with a lower pressure, so that's the one that would occur first. The failure pressure associated with these different numbers of lobes is a function of all sorts of things, such as plating thickness, diameter of the hull, unsupported length of the cylinder, etc., etc. I do not know of any one variable that has a clear correlation, allowing you to know how many lobes a hull will collapse into. So its a matter of plugging in several whole numbers and examining the results. 
 
As far as longitudinal stringers they are very important to surface craft, which are analyzed as a beam (e.g., if you load a tanker unevenly, you can split it in half). But in a deep diving sub, the radial forces are so much larger than the beam loads, that any sub built to withstand the radial force of pressure is likely to have enough longitudinal strength just in the unsupported shell. In other words, longitudinal stringers are not needed and their contribution to a pressure rating would probably be negligible. I wouldn't do longitudinal stringers, they just add weight inefficiently.
 
rgds,
 
Alec
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: DAVID A HAVERBERG [mailto:carro@wans.net]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:02 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] circumferential lobes

Thanks for the help on using the Hull Calculation Spread Sheet.  But:  I asked the wrong question.
From your web site I understand the physical properties of a lobe.
What I don't understand is what is changing in the sub to change the number of lobes involved?  Is it the addition of horizontal stringers?
 
Thanks Dave