Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Building the Impossible: The First Submarine

[Coalbunny <coalbunny@onewest.net>]

I like the idea of Fulton's rig because I have this strange fascination
for bright shiny objects.  Copper can be used, but would need to be
coated.
Carl


Garry Muir wrote:
> 
> >I have given consideration to a bunch of older ships, not just subs.  In
> >the sub catagory it starts with De Son's sub of 1653.  An odd design,
> >but I feel that it certainly could have worked after simple testing.
> >Like placing some kind of a shield or wheel well above the paddle
> >wheels.  Would have dragged something fierce, but still would have
> >improved the propusion by 500%.
> >
> >Gave brief thought to Bushnell's Turtle, but decided it's good only when
> >I feel suicidal.
> >
> >Right now one of my favorites is Fulton's Nautilus.  Now a lot of the
> >designs I have considered would be replicated on the exterior only.
> >With today's technology it could be replicated both extrenally and
> >internally and still be "safe", but I just want to replicate the
> >extrerio.  Not just a show piece but something I can use for my own
> >enjoyment.
> >
> >I have considered a number of other subs, such as the Hunley, but feel
> >these I mentioned are those I have considered most.
> >Carl
> >
> >
> >Steven Mills wrote:
> >>
> >>  Carl wrote:
> >>
> >>  > I have been thinking of doing an older sub design as well.  Not sure
> >>  > which one yet.
> >>  >
> >>
> >>  Anything particular in mind?
> >>
> >>  I've thought about the CSS Pioneer
> >>
> >>  http://www.beaufortshipsmuseum.com/pioneer.html
> >>
> >>  --Steve
> >>
> >>  >
> >>  > Steven Mills wrote:
> >>  > >
> >>  > > http://tlc.discovery.com/convergence/submarine/submarine.html
> >>  >
> >>  > --
> >>  > "No man who is not willing to bear arms and to fight for his rights can
> >>  > give a good reason why he should be entitled to the priviledge of living
> >>  > in a free community." -- Theodore Roosevelt
> >
> >--
> >"No man who is not willing to bear arms and to fight for his rights can
> >give a good reason why he should be entitled to the priviledge of living
> >in a free community." -- Theodore Roosevelt
> 
> Hi Coalbunny
> 
> Ever thought of the Simon Lake designs, Simon Lake was way ahead of
> his time, subs with wheels and small lock out chambers were thought
> at the time to be crazy while Holland who designed watertight garbage
> cans that could fire torpedos was thought of as a great engineering
> pioneer. The Lake submarines were intended for exploration and
> underwater construction although in his sales pitch to the US navy he
> spoke of their value as mine layers and their ability to enter enemy
> ports and put divers in the water to attach mines to ships.
> Also mooted at the time by Simon Lake or persons employed by him (I
> would like to know who) was the idea that a section of telegraph
> cable could be brought into a sub and clandestinely tapped without
> the enemy knowing, this was not attempted until 1962 by the US (
> induction tap ) although Germany may have tried to do it during WW2 (
> Carsten can you shed any light).
> Bushnell's Turtle is not a bad design just improve the structural integrity
> ie: not wood, add thrusters and you have what I imagine would be a
> very interesting sub, though I do like the idea of the Fulton with
> the sail handy if you ever run out of power.
> 
>                 Regards Garry
> --

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