In a message dated 5/16/2001 2:11:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dblake@bright.net writes: << Healthy average size male.....5mg Ativan oughta do it. Anyway, I've seen it work for some very violent/stubborn severe mentally disabled clients of mine. >> Odd you should mention those--just re-reading Silence of the Lambs (for author's technique)--Dr. Lechter, where are you? Vance