[PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan submersible missing at Titanic site
MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles
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Fri Jun 30 16:28:40 EDT 2023
If I use these 120 mm (STCP) and a CF of 4 it was good for around 1000 m.
With 120 mm thickness it was at collapse deep.
Carsten
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I found a much better picture and correct the figures as follow:
Diameter hull 1600 mm (given)
Diameter front porthole outside 614 mm
Diameter front porthole inside 436 mm
But given with the outer window diamter given by Jon of just 530 I come to
Diameter hull 1381mm
Diameter front porthole outside 530 mm (given)
Diameter front porthole inside 376 mm
If I do with the 530 / 376 a little reverse enginering on a conical seat of
60°
I come to a thickness of just 120 mm for a inside and outside flat conical
frustrum window.
According to PVHO-1-1987 t /Di = 0,348 with t = 0,348 x 376 mm = 162 mm
at 40 Mpa (4000m)
(for Short term critical presssure)
But from Jon's picture it seems more a Sperical Sector Window with Conical
Edge. and flat inside.
The code has no figures for such a window.
But if I use for Sherical Shell windows t/di shall 0,195 means t = 0,195 x
376 = 73 mm
To be diplomatic I just mix up the flat with the sperhical and got (162 +
73) / 2 = 117,5 mm
(for Short term critical presssure)
The code says if you have not a standard geometrie - you have to test 5
windows to destroy dephs
and use the lowest failture pressure for your calculation.
Carsten
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Datum: 2023-06-30T16:11:40+0200
Von: "Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles"
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Hello Carsten,
for the thickness, I read that the viewport should have been rated for
1300meters depth, so I think that the designer designed for a short term
critical pressure of 5200m/52MPa, and perhaps thought it would be fine
using a 1.3X margin to get to 4000m rather than the 4X margin we can find
in Stachiw book and PVHO rules for low temperatures (to be checked but I
believe it is 4x).
regards
Antoine
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 4:03 PM MerlinSub at t-online.de
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I check out some pictures and based on a given length of 6500mm
I come to the following rough figures:
Diameter hull 1600 mm
Diameter front porthole outside 700 mm
Diameter front porthole inside 466 mm
(these diameters indicate that the porthole could be original designed as
entrance..)
Now idear about the thickness of the acrylic
- but will check out PHSME about standard flange angles tonight.
Carsten
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For me it looks like the biggest diameter porthole used in that deep.
Has somebody here inner and outer diameter and the thickness?
Carsten
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Datum: 2023-06-29T21:11:55+0200
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The pictures of Titan that I see in water show 16 bolts holding the
retaining ring in place. See attached photo.
Jon
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 11:49:18 AM EDT, MerlinSub at t-online.de
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I have seen a video how they make the carbon cylinder and can imagine
that the boat imploded in longitudinal direction.
Create a massive shock wave with push the window out (not in). As I saw
in another video the window was hold by only 4 bolts outside.
All titan parts in the video seems undamaged.
Carsten
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