From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 1 13:06:39 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 07:06:39 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-600 buoyancy mystery In-Reply-To: <401964755.4308052.1659210700497@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1192358075.3432420.1659022938571.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1192358075.3432420.1659022938571@mail.yahoo.com> <2030029851.3460883.1659027933004@mail.yahoo.com> <2085224190.3501898.1659033321829@mail.yahoo.com> <401964755.4308052.1659210700497@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Specifications ------------------------------ Group Size 27DC Part Number SRM-27 Cold Cranking Amps 600 Cranking Amps 750 (RC) Min @ 25 Amp 160 Amp Hours 88 Length 12-3/4 Width 6-3/4 Height 9-1/2 Weight 50.3 Voltage 12 Wet/Dry W Hi Jon sorry it took so long for a reply on the battery I just bought. Was waiting on the vender to send me the data sheet which they didn't provide when I bought them and got tired of waiting so I found it online. Hope this helps. I had planned on going with an AGM battery but when I got ready to purchase them, the price after the Covid hit had put them out of my budget. Rick On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 9:53 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Sean, thanks for doing a sanity test for me. Yes, the diameter > specification is I.D., and your calculator matches my calculation almost > exactly which was 301.6 using a 2 inch skirt. But I think Cliff is correct > that a 36 inch elliptical head has a longer skirt (flange) and therefore > provides even more buoyancy. Regardless, my mistake was to deduct the > weight of all the tank heads twice which caused my initial calculation of > total buoyancy for the vessel to be much lower. > > Love your software and I see you have updated it to include tank heads. > The one we have on the website is cylinders only. > > Jon > > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 09:03:55 AM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Jon - If it helps, I ran weight and buoyancy calcs on one of the heads > alone (per your description of 36" - I assumed ID because that is what head > forming dies are based on, x 0.5625" wall thickness). Straight flange > length per ABS spec because my program didn't have a field to customize > that. Results in in-line image below. > > Sean > > > [image: image.png] > ------- Original Message ------- > On Thursday, July 28th, 2022 at 12:35 PM, Jon Wallace via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Thank you Cliff, you got me back on track. I was deducting the weight of > the tank heads from their displacement which is unnecessary since I know > the overall weight of the vessel from the CAT scales. As such, all I need > is the displacement of all the parts and then subtract the total known > weight. Also, I have been using 2 inch skirt on the tank heads which I > think is correct for the battery pods but not for the main hull. > Recalculating the tank heads bring me to a total displacement of 4202 lbs > which is definitely in the ball park that I would expect. > > Jon > > > > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 01:09:26 PM EDT, Cliff Redus via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I modeled a K350 awhile back. It has a similar hull to K600. I think > your displacement for the Main tank heads is wrong. These are > semielliptical heads with a 4" skirt. Displacement should be 5.96 cu ft per > head x 62.4 ft^3 = 371.9 lbs per head for total of 743.8 lbs not 133 lbs. > This would bring your freshwater displacement numbers to 4,127lbs. > > I think your battery pod displacements are low as well. For K350, they > are 442.5 lbs. Also make sure you are adding displacement for any part > that displaces water. I am not sure you have accounted for all parts. > > > Below is the buoyancy table for the modified K350 > [image: Inline image] > > Buoyancy and Center of Buoyancy Database > > > > [image: Inline image] > Modified K350 hull that these calculations were made from. 36" OD x 72" > Seam to Seam. > [image: Inline image] > > > > > > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:45:03 AM CDT, Jon Wallace via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I'm stuck on a buoyancy issue with the K-600. The operating and service > manuals state that the working weight of the vessel (dive ready) is 4500 > pounds less operator. However, when I calculate the buoyancy of the vessel > based upon it's physical dimensions I don't even come close to offsetting > the projected weight as documented by Kittredge. I know the stripped > weight of the vessel is 3060 lbs, because I had it weighed at a CAT scale > used by truckers which is suppose to be guaranteed accurate. > > My buoyancy calcs (inches) and results in pounds are: > Main hull - 36 x 72 = 2712.96 > Main tank heads - 36 x .5625 = 66.5 each = 133 > Conning Tower - 24 x 18 = 301.44 > Battery Pod - 12 x 45 = 188.4 each = 376.8 > Battery Pod Tank Heads - 12 x .365 = -1.83 each = -7.32 > > Total potential buoyancy comes out to 3516.88 lbs. Deducting the 3060 > known weight of the steel leaves 456 lbs of buoyancy however there is > easily more than 456 lbs of machinery, electrical, and plumbing components > that will be added to the stripped hull. For example, Kittredge used 8 > lead-acid batteries with a combined weight of approximately 320 lbs, 200 > lbs from three 1-ATM motor containers, 150 lbs drop weight, and then > operator weight would produce a combined total of about 800 lbs additional > weight not including electrical, plumbing, and instrument components. > > So from a weight perspective, 4000 to 4500 pounds sounds reasonable for a > dive ready K-600. But with only 3516 lbs of physical vessel buoyancy it > would be 500 to 1000 pounds negatively buoyant which is obviously an > impossible configuration. 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On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 01:09:34 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Specifications | | Group Size | 27DC | | Part Number | SRM-27 | | Cold Cranking Amps | 600 | | Cranking Amps | 750 | | (RC) Min @ 25 Amp | 160 | | Amp Hours | 88 | | Length | 12-3/4 | | Width | 6-3/4 | | Height | 9-1/2 | | Weight | 50.3 | | Voltage | 12 | | Wet/Dry | W | Hi Jon sorry it took so long for a reply on the battery I just bought.? Was waiting on the vender to send me the data sheet which they didn't provide when I bought them and got tired of waiting so I found it online.Hope this helps. I had planned on going with an AGM battery but when I got ready to purchase?them, the price?after the Covid hit had put them out of my budget.?Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 1 18:11:19 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 12:11:19 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-600 buoyancy mystery In-Reply-To: <833705012.5038073.1659387695038@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1192358075.3432420.1659022938571.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1192358075.3432420.1659022938571@mail.yahoo.com> <2030029851.3460883.1659027933004@mail.yahoo.com> <2085224190.3501898.1659033321829@mail.yahoo.com> <401964755.4308052.1659210700497@mail.yahoo.com> <833705012.5038073.1659387695038@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am using the 12" ID shed 40 pipe per specs. I welded SS angle track in before welding on the ends and then add to that the aluminum trays that slide in and out. I also have the copper all thread that sticks an inch or so into the pods for the 36V, the 12V and two for the water sensor so it's a little snug inside. I originally built the alum trays based on my forklift battery which is a group 27 but it seemed like most of the batteries in the 27 group were 12.6" long to get the 115 amp rating but then came across these that are under 12" but only 90 amps so I opted for lesser amps but didn't have the room to extend the tray much. Again, wanted to go AGM but they were about $100 per battery so as you know, it just keeps adding up. Hope this of some help. Rick On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 11:02 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, what diameter are your battery pods? > > > > On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 01:09:34 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Specifications > > ------------------------------ > Group Size 27DC > Part Number SRM-27 > Cold Cranking Amps 600 > Cranking Amps 750 > (RC) Min @ 25 Amp 160 > Amp Hours 88 > Length 12-3/4 > Width 6-3/4 > Height 9-1/2 > Weight 50.3 > Voltage 12 > Wet/Dry W > Hi Jon sorry it took so long for a reply on the battery I just bought. > Was waiting on the vender to send me the data sheet which they didn't > provide when I bought them and got tired of waiting so I found it online. > Hope this helps. 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Jon On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 07:52:01 AM EDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi all,A friend has asked me to help him make a dome using epoxy casting resin. ?I tried to discourage him, but his arguments have merit.I had him make a sample piece 2 inches thick and big enough to start testing. ?The sample is amazingly clear. ?I started by cutting and machining sample strips for bend testing as well as one pice to set out in the sunlight and one piece is stored in the shop. ?So far to my surprise the epoxy machines as well as the acrylic and the comparison bend test with acrylic were also a surprise also. ?Both the acrylic and epoxy had the same strength resisting bending and returning to normal. ?I measured the bending movement with my magnetic base dial gauge and they were within .010 inch of each other. ?The acrylic sample broke before the epoxy, by a good percentage. ?I will repeat this test several times, but we are now making ports that will fit in my port testing chamber and do many pressure cycles and destruction tests. ?This will give us a base line against acrylic. ?If it works out we will make a small 2 inch thick by 24 inch dome and pressure test that. ?Fingers crossed.Hank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Aug 4 09:40:37 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 07:40:37 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] epoxy domes In-Reply-To: <392309892.742454.1659618169476@mail.yahoo.com> References: <392309892.742454.1659618169476@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7FB11E14-A0DB-4A3C-B63F-22C1DFED19F2@yahoo.ca> Hi Jon I am thinking a 8 inch OD., to fit my chamber and 1 inch thick so that we can break the port potentially. We may have to go thinner though. Hank Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 4, 2022, at 7:03 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ? > Interesting concept. Lots of questions. What sizes are the dimension being used for port testing? > > Jon > > > On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 07:52:01 AM EDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hi all, > A friend has asked me to help him make a dome using epoxy casting resin. I tried to discourage him, but his arguments have merit. > I had him make a sample piece 2 inches thick and big enough to start testing. The sample is amazingly clear. I started by cutting and machining sample strips for bend testing as well as one pice to set out in the sunlight and one piece is stored in the shop. So far to my surprise the epoxy machines as well as the acrylic and the comparison bend test with acrylic were also a surprise also. Both the acrylic and epoxy had the same strength resisting bending and returning to normal. I measured the bending movement with my magnetic base dial gauge and they were within .010 inch of each other. The acrylic sample broke before the epoxy, by a good percentage. I will repeat this test several times, but we are now making ports that will fit in my port testing chamber and do many pressure cycles and destruction tests. This will give us a base line against acrylic. If it works out we will make a small 2 inch thick by 24 inch dome and pressure test that. Fingers crossed. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Aug 4 11:43:28 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 15:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] epoxy domes In-Reply-To: <7FB11E14-A0DB-4A3C-B63F-22C1DFED19F2@yahoo.ca> References: <392309892.742454.1659618169476@mail.yahoo.com> <7FB11E14-A0DB-4A3C-B63F-22C1DFED19F2@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <1203270134.820918.1659627808898@mail.yahoo.com> What's the max pressure you can test? On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 09:42:41 AM EDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi JonI am thinking a 8 inch OD., to fit my chamber and 1 inch thick so that we can break the port potentially. ?We may have to go thinner though.?Hank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2022, at 7:03 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Interesting concept.? Lots of questions.? What sizes are the dimension being used for port testing??? Jon On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 07:52:01 AM EDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi all,A friend has asked me to help him make a dome using epoxy casting resin. ?I tried to discourage him, but his arguments have merit.I had him make a sample piece 2 inches thick and big enough to start testing. ?The sample is amazingly clear. ?I started by cutting and machining sample strips for bend testing as well as one pice to set out in the sunlight and one piece is stored in the shop. ?So far to my surprise the epoxy machines as well as the acrylic and the comparison bend test with acrylic were also a surprise also. ?Both the acrylic and epoxy had the same strength resisting bending and returning to normal. ?I measured the bending movement with my magnetic base dial gauge and they were within .010 inch of each other. ?The acrylic sample broke before the epoxy, by a good percentage. ?I will repeat this test several times, but we are now making ports that will fit in my port testing chamber and do many pressure cycles and destruction tests. ?This will give us a base line against acrylic. ?If it works out we will make a small 2 inch thick by 24 inch dome and pressure test that. ?Fingers crossed.Hank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Aug 4 12:03:44 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2022 16:03:44 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] epoxy domes In-Reply-To: <570356257.710890.1659613734844@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570356257.710890.1659613734844.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <570356257.710890.1659613734844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A few concerns, the most obvious of which is the lack of an extensive body of test data for epoxy resin in this application, in comparison to that of PMMA (acrylic), and of course that the use of epoxy resin in this application is not covered or sanctioned by any of the design guides, other than where "novel" designs are addressed in the language. This loophole makes such unusual designs possible, at the expense of somewhat onerous testing requirements, which include full scale destructive testing. That said, what specific epoxy product are you testing? The comparable epoxy product which I am familiar with is MG Chemicals 832WC, linked here: https://www.mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-potting/clear-epoxy-resin/ The technical data sheet for this product indicates a glass transition temperature of 33?C for this resin, which makes me suspect that sustained load creep will be a problem, even if the specified yield and ultimate failure strengths are sufficient. I also wonder about the refractive index of the cured resin. This is not indicated on the data sheet, but could give rise to visual distortion if it is too far removed from that of water and acrylic. Interesting concept. Curious to know what you discover. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Aug. 4, 2022, 05:48, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi all, > A friend has asked me to help him make a dome using epoxy casting resin. I tried to discourage him, but his arguments have merit. > I had him make a sample piece 2 inches thick and big enough to start testing. The sample is amazingly clear. I started by cutting and machining sample strips for bend testing as well as one pice to set out in the sunlight and one piece is stored in the shop. So far to my surprise the epoxy machines as well as the acrylic and the comparison bend test with acrylic were also a surprise also. Both the acrylic and epoxy had the same strength resisting bending and returning to normal. I measured the bending movement with my magnetic base dial gauge and they were within .010 inch of each other. The acrylic sample broke before the epoxy, by a good percentage. I will repeat this test several times, but we are now making ports that will fit in my port testing chamber and do many pressure cycles and destruction tests. This will give us a base line against acrylic. 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ?A few concerns, the most obvious of which is the lack of an extensive body of test data for epoxy resin in this application, in comparison to that of PMMA (acrylic), and of course that the use of epoxy resin in this application is not covered or sanctioned by any of the design guides, other than where "novel" designs are addressed in the language. This loophole makes such unusual designs possible, at the expense of somewhat onerous testing requirements, which include full scale destructive testing. > > That said, what specific epoxy product are you testing? > > The comparable epoxy product which I am familiar with is MG Chemicals 832WC, linked here: > https://www.mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-potting/clear-epoxy-resin/ > > The technical data sheet for this product indicates a glass transition temperature of 33?C for this resin, which makes me suspect that sustained load creep will be a problem, even if the specified yield and ultimate failure strengths are sufficient. > > I also wonder about the refractive index of the cured resin. This is not indicated on the data sheet, but could give rise to visual distortion if it is too far removed from that of water and acrylic. > > Interesting concept. Curious to know what you discover. > > Sean > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Aug. 4, 2022, 05:48, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > A friend has asked me to help him make a dome using epoxy casting resin. I tried to discourage him, but his arguments have merit. > I had him make a sample piece 2 inches thick and big enough to start testing. The sample is amazingly clear. I started by cutting and machining sample strips for bend testing as well as one pice to set out in the sunlight and one piece is stored in the shop. So far to my surprise the epoxy machines as well as the acrylic and the comparison bend test with acrylic were also a surprise also. Both the acrylic and epoxy had the same strength resisting bending and returning to normal. I measured the bending movement with my magnetic base dial gauge and they were within .010 inch of each other. The acrylic sample broke before the epoxy, by a good percentage. I will repeat this test several times, but we are now making ports that will fit in my port testing chamber and do many pressure cycles and destruction tests. This will give us a base line against acrylic. If it works out we will make a small 2 inch thick by 24 inch dome and pressure test that. Fingers crossed. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Aug 4 13:42:40 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 11:42:40 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] epoxy domes In-Reply-To: <302E4554-153C-4F61-8D6C-A80F60967F4C@yahoo.ca> References: <302E4554-153C-4F61-8D6C-A80F60967F4C@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: The max pressure I have used my chamber for ports to is 1000 psi Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:41 AM, hank pronk wrote: > > ?Hi Sean. The creep issue may be moot if we stick with Hemispheres and ultimately a 60 inch full sphere. The optics are unbelievable and better than acrylic. At least looking at the two side by side. We are happy to destroy domes and ports because they are dirt cheap to make. Also it?s fun as hell to do this. > Hank > > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Aug 4, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >> ?A few concerns, the most obvious of which is the lack of an extensive body of test data for epoxy resin in this application, in comparison to that of PMMA (acrylic), and of course that the use of epoxy resin in this application is not covered or sanctioned by any of the design guides, other than where "novel" designs are addressed in the language. This loophole makes such unusual designs possible, at the expense of somewhat onerous testing requirements, which include full scale destructive testing. >> >> That said, what specific epoxy product are you testing? >> >> The comparable epoxy product which I am familiar with is MG Chemicals 832WC, linked here: >> https://www.mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-potting/clear-epoxy-resin/ >> >> The technical data sheet for this product indicates a glass transition temperature of 33?C for this resin, which makes me suspect that sustained load creep will be a problem, even if the specified yield and ultimate failure strengths are sufficient. >> >> I also wonder about the refractive index of the cured resin. This is not indicated on the data sheet, but could give rise to visual distortion if it is too far removed from that of water and acrylic. >> >> Interesting concept. Curious to know what you discover. >> >> Sean >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> On Aug. 4, 2022, 05:48, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> A friend has asked me to help him make a dome using epoxy casting resin. I tried to discourage him, but his arguments have merit. >> I had him make a sample piece 2 inches thick and big enough to start testing. The sample is amazingly clear. I started by cutting and machining sample strips for bend testing as well as one pice to set out in the sunlight and one piece is stored in the shop. So far to my surprise the epoxy machines as well as the acrylic and the comparison bend test with acrylic were also a surprise also. Both the acrylic and epoxy had the same strength resisting bending and returning to normal. I measured the bending movement with my magnetic base dial gauge and they were within .010 inch of each other. The acrylic sample broke before the epoxy, by a good percentage. I will repeat this test several times, but we are now making ports that will fit in my port testing chamber and do many pressure cycles and destruction tests. This will give us a base line against acrylic. If it works out we will make a small 2 inch thick by 24 inch dome and pressure test that. Fingers crossed. >> Hank >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Aug 4 16:00:21 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 20:00:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] epoxy domes In-Reply-To: <570356257.710890.1659613734844@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570356257.710890.1659613734844.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <570356257.710890.1659613734844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1693930951.974306.1659643221558@mail.yahoo.com> I was a bit negative about this idea initially as I had played around with casting resins about 20 years ago.It was hard to get a thick cast without it cracking & therewas only one product on the market in NZ.Since then it's become popular for use on tables and in the art sector, with all sorts of properties being added to it.The one reference I could find to the refractive index of epoxy showed that it was better than acrylic.Be great if you could post some details on the product Hank so we can look up the material spec sheet.Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 11:52 pm, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi all,A friend has asked me to help him make a dome using epoxy casting resin. ?I tried to discourage him, but his arguments have merit.I had him make a sample piece 2 inches thick and big enough to start testing. ?The sample is amazingly clear. ?I started by cutting and machining sample strips for bend testing as well as one pice to set out in the sunlight and one piece is stored in the shop. ?So far to my surprise the epoxy machines as well as the acrylic and the comparison bend test with acrylic were also a surprise also. ?Both the acrylic and epoxy had the same strength resisting bending and returning to normal. ?I measured the bending movement with my magnetic base dial gauge and they were within .010 inch of each other. ?The acrylic sample broke before the epoxy, by a good percentage. ?I will repeat this test several times, but we are now making ports that will fit in my port testing chamber and do many pressure cycles and destruction tests. ?This will give us a base line against acrylic. ?If it works out we will make a small 2 inch thick by 24 inch dome and pressure test that. ?Fingers crossed.Hank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Aug 4 17:16:35 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 21:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] epoxy domes In-Reply-To: <1693930951.974306.1659643221558@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570356257.710890.1659613734844.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <570356257.710890.1659613734844@mail.yahoo.com> <1693930951.974306.1659643221558@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1345015110.1002779.1659647795140@mail.yahoo.com> You might have opened a can of worms Hank.? I can see a new sign on your garage...Pronk Testing Labs.? :)? Since you are just starting this project, I encourage you to keep detailed records of empirical data and keep a good QA mindset starting with the exact epoxy product you are using, amounts, mixing, casting, etc.? What comes to my mind is that "epoxy" is a rather ubiquitous term and may lead some to believe any kind of epoxy is suitable for the application, including using 5-minute epoxy with the built in mixing syringe.? Detailed information about the approach you take to mixing, removing bubbles, curing, shrinkage, and machining will be very important.? As well, repetitive destructive testing details will be important data points and hopefully whatever budget you've got for this project will allow for many tests to be performed.? Stachiw has information in his book regarding testing that may be worth mimicking for this project such as impact testing, especially under load conditions. Looking forward to seeing updates from you on this project. Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can see a new sign on your garage...Pronk Testing Labs.? :)? Since you are just starting this project, I encourage you to keep detailed records of empirical data and keep a good QA mindset starting with the exact epoxy product you are using, amounts, mixing, casting, etc.? What comes to my mind is that "epoxy" is a rather ubiquitous term and may lead some to believe any kind of epoxy is suitable for the application, including using 5-minute epoxy with the built in mixing syringe.? Detailed information about the approach you take to mixing, removing bubbles, curing, shrinkage, and machining will be very important.? As well, repetitive destructive testing details will be important data points and hopefully whatever budget you've got for this project will allow for many tests to be performed.? Stachiw has information in his book regarding testing that may be worth mimicking for this project such as impact testing, especially under load conditions. 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Jon On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 09:04:40 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I just put my two Minn-Kota's together and ran them briefly to make sure that they were wired properly and the potiencometer was working and then had to take one apart and noticed that one of the wires had the jacket worn off exposing the stranded wire inside of it.?I had always been concerned about the armature rubbing on them as there is almost zero clearance from the lugs that they plug?onto until they go inside the shaft that is sealed with epoxy. Has anyone experienced the same thing on that particular motor and if so, what was the fix? Rick_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 9 12:07:53 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 16:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-Kota In-Reply-To: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> Rick, I do like the MK 101s as they make great thrusters but this is a weak feature of the design.? It is easy to assemble the units and have these brush wires rub on the armature.? At one point I had the same issue you mentioned.? What I found out is you have to develop a procedure for assembling the motors that minimizes this issue.? What I found moist useful was to make sure the 1/4" spade connectors are secured in the factory orientation. The spade connections are right angle design that is necessary to have the wires located in the correct place in the motor when assembled. There are some white plastic clips that also have to be installed to keep the wires in the correct location on assembly.? When assembling the motors, I find that it is helpful to wedge a wooden shim between the armature and permanent magnets so that the brush assembly can be more easily installed over the armature.? Also helps to put a small piece of tape on end cap and body to help in alignment.? You can then put marks on both parts to help make sure they are aligned with inserting the long bolts that hold the motors together.? When the motors are assembled, when you turn the armature, if the wires are touching the armature, you can feel the drag.? Make sure the assembly turns freely before powering.? The more you disassemble and assemble the motors, the easier it gets.? Like most things, there is a learning curve. Cliff On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:35:12 AM CDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Rick, it's definitely tight in there but I don't know of any work around for it. Jon On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 09:04:40 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I just put my two Minn-Kota's together and ran them briefly to make sure that they were wired properly and the potiencometer was working and then had to take one apart and noticed that one of the wires had the jacket worn off exposing the stranded wire inside of it.?I had always been concerned about the armature rubbing on them as there is almost zero clearance from the lugs that they plug?onto until they go inside the shaft that is sealed with epoxy. Has anyone experienced the same thing on that particular motor and if so, what was the fix? Rick_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 9 15:54:10 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 09:54:10 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-Kota In-Reply-To: <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jon and Cliff, Jon, have you run your motors yet and then checked if the wires rubbed? Cliff, Not sure what plastic clips you are talking about? I made pencil marks on both ends before taking apart so that the alignment would be the same for the long rods. Not really sure now how to patch the bare spot on the wire that is exposed. Rick On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 6:08 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, I do like the MK 101s as they make great thrusters but this is a > weak feature of the design. It is easy to assemble the units and have > these brush wires rub on the armature. At one point I had the same issue > you mentioned. What I found out is you have to develop a procedure for > assembling the motors that minimizes this issue. What I found moist useful > was to make sure the 1/4" spade connectors are secured in the factory > orientation. The spade connections are right angle design that is necessary > to have the wires located in the correct place in the motor when assembled. > There are some white plastic clips that also have to be installed to keep > the wires in the correct location on assembly. When assembling the motors, > I find that it is helpful to wedge a wooden shim between the armature and > permanent magnets so that the brush assembly can be more easily installed > over the armature. Also helps to put a small piece of tape on end cap and > body to help in alignment. You can then put marks on both parts to help > make sure they are aligned with inserting the long bolts that hold the > motors together. When the motors are assembled, when you turn the > armature, if the wires are touching the armature, you can feel the drag. > Make sure the assembly turns freely before powering. The more you > disassemble and assemble the motors, the easier it gets. Like most things, > there is a learning curve. > > Cliff > > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:35:12 AM CDT, Jon Wallace via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hi Rick, it's definitely tight in there but I don't know of any work > around for it. > > Jon > > > On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 09:04:40 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I just put my two Minn-Kota's together and ran them briefly to make sure > that they were wired properly and the potiencometer was working and then > had to take one apart and noticed that one of the wires had the jacket worn > off exposing the stranded wire inside of it. > I had always been concerned about the armature rubbing on them as there > is almost zero clearance from the lugs that they plug onto until they go > inside the shaft that is sealed with epoxy. Has anyone experienced the same > thing on that particular motor and if so, what was the fix? > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 9 20:48:35 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 14:48:35 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-Kota In-Reply-To: <271079675.3088002.1660089010956@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> <271079675.3088002.1660089010956@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just wish the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. Hindsight! Rick On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, > There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any > exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat. > Alan > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just > wish the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. > Hindsight! > > Rick > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Rick, >> There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any >> exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat. >> Alan >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Aug 10 08:12:48 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-Kota In-Reply-To: References: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2055621097.3256484.1660133568601@mail.yahoo.com> Rick, no I haven't.? I don't have a 36v source yet so have not tested any of them. Jon On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 03:56:22 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Jon and Cliff, Jon, have you run your motors yet and then checked if the wires rubbed??Cliff, Not sure what plastic clips you are talking about? I made pencil marks on both ends before taking apart so that the alignment?would be the same for the long rods.Not really sure now how to patch the bare spot on the wire that is exposed.? Rick On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 6:08 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick, I do like the MK 101s as they make great thrusters but this is a weak feature of the design.? It is easy to assemble the units and have these brush wires rub on the armature.? At one point I had the same issue you mentioned.? What I found out is you have to develop a procedure for assembling the motors that minimizes this issue.? What I found moist useful was to make sure the 1/4" spade connectors are secured in the factory orientation. The spade connections are right angle design that is necessary to have the wires located in the correct place in the motor when assembled. There are some white plastic clips that also have to be installed to keep the wires in the correct location on assembly.? When assembling the motors, I find that it is helpful to wedge a wooden shim between the armature and permanent magnets so that the brush assembly can be more easily installed over the armature.? Also helps to put a small piece of tape on end cap and body to help in alignment.? You can then put marks on both parts to help make sure they are aligned with inserting the long bolts that hold the motors together.? When the motors are assembled, when you turn the armature, if the wires are touching the armature, you can feel the drag.? Make sure the assembly turns freely before powering.? The more you disassemble and assemble the motors, the easier it gets.? Like most things, there is a learning curve. Cliff On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:35:12 AM CDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Rick, it's definitely tight in there but I don't know of any work around for it. Jon On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 09:04:40 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I just put my two Minn-Kota's together and ran them briefly to make sure that they were wired properly and the potiencometer was working and then had to take one apart and noticed that one of the wires had the jacket worn off exposing the stranded wire inside of it.?I had always been concerned about the armature rubbing on them as there is almost zero clearance from the lugs that they plug?onto until they go inside the shaft that is sealed with epoxy. Has anyone experienced the same thing on that particular motor and if so, what was the fix? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Aug 10 13:22:14 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 07:22:14 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-Kota In-Reply-To: <2055621097.3256484.1660133568601@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> <2055621097.3256484.1660133568601@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jon, when you do, let me know how it worked out. Rick On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 2:13 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, no I haven't. I don't have a 36v source yet so have not tested any > of them. > > Jon > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 03:56:22 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Thanks Jon and Cliff, Jon, have you run your motors yet and then checked > if the wires rubbed? > Cliff, Not sure what plastic clips you are talking about? I made pencil > marks on both ends before taking apart so that the alignment would be the > same for the long rods. > Not really sure now how to patch the bare spot on the wire that is > exposed. > > Rick > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 6:08 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, I do like the MK 101s as they make great thrusters but this is a > weak feature of the design. It is easy to assemble the units and have > these brush wires rub on the armature. At one point I had the same issue > you mentioned. What I found out is you have to develop a procedure for > assembling the motors that minimizes this issue. What I found moist useful > was to make sure the 1/4" spade connectors are secured in the factory > orientation. The spade connections are right angle design that is necessary > to have the wires located in the correct place in the motor when assembled. > There are some white plastic clips that also have to be installed to keep > the wires in the correct location on assembly. When assembling the motors, > I find that it is helpful to wedge a wooden shim between the armature and > permanent magnets so that the brush assembly can be more easily installed > over the armature. Also helps to put a small piece of tape on end cap and > body to help in alignment. You can then put marks on both parts to help > make sure they are aligned with inserting the long bolts that hold the > motors together. When the motors are assembled, when you turn the > armature, if the wires are touching the armature, you can feel the drag. > Make sure the assembly turns freely before powering. The more you > disassemble and assemble the motors, the easier it gets. Like most things, > there is a learning curve. > > Cliff > > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:35:12 AM CDT, Jon Wallace via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hi Rick, it's definitely tight in there but I don't know of any work > around for it. > > Jon > > > On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 09:04:40 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I just put my two Minn-Kota's together and ran them briefly to make sure > that they were wired properly and the potiencometer was working and then > had to take one apart and noticed that one of the wires had the jacket worn > off exposing the stranded wire inside of it. > I had always been concerned about the armature rubbing on them as there > is almost zero clearance from the lugs that they plug onto until they go > inside the shaft that is sealed with epoxy. Has anyone experienced the same > thing on that particular motor and if so, what was the fix? > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just wish?the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. Hindsight! Rick On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,?There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat.Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, > can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page. > Alan > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only > option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on > that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on > it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just > wish the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. > Hindsight! > > Rick > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any > exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat. > Alan > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Aug 12 01:45:33 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 19:45:33 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-Kota In-Reply-To: References: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> <271079675.3088002.1660089010956@mail.yahoo.com> <1997522440.69663.1660162855994@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan, trying to upload the picture that I took with my phone of the wire that was worn but not sure that this will work. let me know Rick On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:00 AM Rick Patton wrote: > Alan, do you want a photo of a close up of the bare spot on the wire or a > shot of the body and end close together just before you plug in the lugs? > > Rick > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Rick, >> can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page. >> Alan >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only >> option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on >> that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on >> it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just >> wish the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. >> Hindsight! >> >> Rick >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Rick, >> There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any >> exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat. >> Alan >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page.AlanSent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just wish?the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. Hindsight! Rick On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,?There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat.Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Aug 13 14:10:02 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 08:10:02 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-Kota In-Reply-To: <1625825209.1278096.1660386950263@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> <271079675.3088002.1660089010956@mail.yahoo.com> <1997522440.69663.1660162855994@mail.yahoo.com> <1625825209.1278096.1660386950263@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Been doing alot of thinking on this as it is a big problem. I might see if I can fabricate two things that are rigid that do a hard 90 off the spade on the motor which will then do another hard 90 again just before the wall of the housing, then shorten the wires coming out of the epoxy and put spade connectors on them again so that you are plugging them in just as they come out of the rod going thru the hull that is filled with epoxy instead of plugging them in at the motor like the factory did. As they say,,,Looks good on paper. Just finished giving the inside another coat of paint working my way out the back. What a real pain as I had to do a lot of masking with painters tape on the wires and piping to keep them from getting paint on them and using a real small brush sometimes to get into the tight spots. Now I have to remove it all?, but the next step is welding the back dome on which will be another milestone for me. Gonna try and tig weld the root and hot pass and cap on the inside and not have to do any stick welding to preserve the new paint job that I just did. I'll provide a picture to the group of what I come up with for the motor and results. Rick Rick On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 12:36 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Rick, > anything that might help with finding a solution, or showing what the > problem is. > Alan > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 9:02 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Alan, do you want a photo of a close up of the bare spot on the wire or a > shot of the body and end close together just before you plug in the lugs? > > Rick > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page. > Alan > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only > option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on > that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on > it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just > wish the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. > Hindsight! > > Rick > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any > exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat. > Alan > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 14 17:17:59 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 21:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-Kota In-Reply-To: References: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> <271079675.3088002.1660089010956@mail.yahoo.com> <1997522440.69663.1660162855994@mail.yahoo.com> <1625825209.1278096.1660386950263@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1875675775.1666298.1660511879999@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Rick,I got the picture of the worn wire, thanks.It is probably a bit difficult to send photos that would describe exactly what is going on.Am wondering if you could scuff up the housing a bit & epoxy the wire to the housing. After all the magnets are glued to the housing. You might have to clamp the?Wire against the housing with a piece of wood or something while drying and use as much epoxy as you can. I have found that epoxy doesn't do a great job of glueing to PVC wire jackets, so try & cover as much of it as you can & cover as much housing as you can with the epoxy.I made my own brushless thruster because I wasn't happy with what was out there; and what was ok cost thousands.Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 at 6:12 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Been doing alot of thinking on this as it is a big problem. I might see if I can fabricate two things that are rigid that do a hard 90 off the spade on the motor which will then do another hard 90 again just before the wall of the housing, then shorten the wires coming out of the epoxy and put spade connectors on them again so that you?are plugging them in just as they come out of the rod going thru the hull that is filled with epoxy instead of plugging them in at the motor like the factory did.? As they say,,,Looks good on paper. Just finished giving the inside another coat of paint working my way out the back. What a real pain as I had to do a lot of masking with painters tape on the wires and piping to keep them from getting paint on them and using a real small brush sometimes to get into the tight spots. Now I have to remove it all?, but the next step is welding the back dome on which will be another milestone for me. Gonna try and tig weld the root and hot pass and cap on the inside and not have to do any stick welding to preserve?the new paint job that I just did.?I'll provide a picture to the group of what I come up with for the motor and results. Rick Rick On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 12:36 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Rick,anything that might help with finding a solution, or showing what the problem is.?Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 9:02 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, do you want a photo of a close up of the bare spot on the wire or a shot of the body and end close together just before you plug in the lugs? Rick On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page.AlanSent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just wish?the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. Hindsight! Rick On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,?There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat.Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 14 20:22:48 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 14:22:48 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-Kota In-Reply-To: <1875675775.1666298.1660511879999@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> <271079675.3088002.1660089010956@mail.yahoo.com> <1997522440.69663.1660162855994@mail.yahoo.com> <1625825209.1278096.1660386950263@mail.yahoo.com> <1875675775.1666298.1660511879999@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Alan, the more options the better. Rick On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 11:18 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Rick, > I got the picture of the worn wire, thanks. > It is probably a bit difficult to send photos that would describe exactly > what is going on. > Am wondering if you could scuff up the housing a bit & epoxy the wire to > the housing. After all the magnets are glued to the housing. You might have > to clamp the > Wire against the housing with a piece of wood or something while drying > and use as much epoxy as you can. I have found that epoxy doesn't do a > great job of glueing to PVC wire jackets, so try & cover as much of it as > you can & cover as much housing as you can with the epoxy. > I made my own brushless thruster because I wasn't happy with what was out > there; and what was ok cost thousands. > Alan > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 at 6:12 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Been doing alot of thinking on this as it is a big problem. I might see if > I can fabricate two things that are rigid that do a hard 90 off the spade > on the motor which will then do another hard 90 again just before the wall > of the housing, then shorten the wires coming out of the epoxy and put > spade connectors on them again so that you are plugging them in just as > they come out of the rod going thru the hull that is filled with epoxy > instead of plugging them in at the motor like the factory did. As they > say,,,Looks good on paper. Just finished giving the inside another coat of > paint working my way out the back. What a real pain as I had to do a lot of > masking with painters tape on the wires and piping to keep them from > getting paint on them and using a real small brush sometimes to get into > the tight spots. Now I have to remove it all?, but the next step is > welding the back dome on which will be another milestone for me. Gonna try > and tig weld the root and hot pass and cap on the inside and not have to do > any stick welding to preserve the new paint job that I just did. > I'll provide a picture to the group of what I come up with for the motor > and results. > > Rick > Rick > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 12:36 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi Rick, > anything that might help with finding a solution, or showing what the > problem is. > Alan > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 9:02 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Alan, do you want a photo of a close up of the bare spot on the wire or a > shot of the body and end close together just before you plug in the lugs? > > Rick > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page. > Alan > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only > option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on > that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on > it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just > wish the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. > Hindsight! > > Rick > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any > exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat. > Alan > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 14 21:52:33 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 01:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-Kota In-Reply-To: References: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> <271079675.3088002.1660089010956@mail.yahoo.com> <1997522440.69663.1660162855994@mail.yahoo.com> <1625825209.1278096.1660386950263@mail.yahoo.com> <1875675775.1666298.1660511879999@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <909258098.1722683.1660528353794@mail.yahoo.com> Rick, if the new way you have designed to connect the motor leads to the spade connection on the MK 101 lower unit works, please work up a sketch or drawing and share with Psubs.org.? I know a lot of us would like to see an alternative way of making this connection.? Yo can send drawing to Jon and he can post at web site. Best Cliff On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 07:23:46 PM CDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan, the more options the better. Rick On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 11:18 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Rick,I got the picture of the worn wire, thanks.It is probably a bit difficult to send photos that would describe exactly what is going on.Am wondering if you could scuff up the housing a bit & epoxy the wire to the housing. After all the magnets are glued to the housing. You might have to clamp the?Wire against the housing with a piece of wood or something while drying and use as much epoxy as you can. I have found that epoxy doesn't do a great job of glueing to PVC wire jackets, so try & cover as much of it as you can & cover as much housing as you can with the epoxy.I made my own brushless thruster because I wasn't happy with what was out there; and what was ok cost thousands.Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 at 6:12 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Been doing alot of thinking on this as it is a big problem. I might see if I can fabricate two things that are rigid that do a hard 90 off the spade on the motor which will then do another hard 90 again just before the wall of the housing, then shorten the wires coming out of the epoxy and put spade connectors on them again so that you?are plugging them in just as they come out of the rod going thru the hull that is filled with epoxy instead of plugging them in at the motor like the factory did.? As they say,,,Looks good on paper. Just finished giving the inside another coat of paint working my way out the back. What a real pain as I had to do a lot of masking with painters tape on the wires and piping to keep them from getting paint on them and using a real small brush sometimes to get into the tight spots. Now I have to remove it all?, but the next step is welding the back dome on which will be another milestone for me. Gonna try and tig weld the root and hot pass and cap on the inside and not have to do any stick welding to preserve?the new paint job that I just did.?I'll provide a picture to the group of what I come up with for the motor and results. Rick Rick On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 12:36 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Rick,anything that might help with finding a solution, or showing what the problem is.?Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 9:02 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, do you want a photo of a close up of the bare spot on the wire or a shot of the body and end close together just before you plug in the lugs? Rick On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page.AlanSent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just wish?the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. Hindsight! Rick On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,?There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat.Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 3:53 PM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, if the new way you have designed to connect the motor leads to the > spade connection on the MK 101 lower unit works, please work up a sketch or > drawing and share with Psubs.org. I know a lot of us would like to see an > alternative way of making this connection. Yo can send drawing to Jon and > he can post at web site. > > Best > > Cliff > > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 07:23:46 PM CDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Thanks Alan, the more options the better. > > Rick > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 11:18 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi Rick, > I got the picture of the worn wire, thanks. > It is probably a bit difficult to send photos that would describe exactly > what is going on. > Am wondering if you could scuff up the housing a bit & epoxy the wire to > the housing. After all the magnets are glued to the housing. You might have > to clamp the > Wire against the housing with a piece of wood or something while drying > and use as much epoxy as you can. I have found that epoxy doesn't do a > great job of glueing to PVC wire jackets, so try & cover as much of it as > you can & cover as much housing as you can with the epoxy. > I made my own brushless thruster because I wasn't happy with what was out > there; and what was ok cost thousands. > Alan > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 at 6:12 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Been doing alot of thinking on this as it is a big problem. I might see if > I can fabricate two things that are rigid that do a hard 90 off the spade > on the motor which will then do another hard 90 again just before the wall > of the housing, then shorten the wires coming out of the epoxy and put > spade connectors on them again so that you are plugging them in just as > they come out of the rod going thru the hull that is filled with epoxy > instead of plugging them in at the motor like the factory did. As they > say,,,Looks good on paper. Just finished giving the inside another coat of > paint working my way out the back. What a real pain as I had to do a lot of > masking with painters tape on the wires and piping to keep them from > getting paint on them and using a real small brush sometimes to get into > the tight spots. Now I have to remove it all?, but the next step is > welding the back dome on which will be another milestone for me. Gonna try > and tig weld the root and hot pass and cap on the inside and not have to do > any stick welding to preserve the new paint job that I just did. > I'll provide a picture to the group of what I come up with for the motor > and results. > > Rick > Rick > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 12:36 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi Rick, > anything that might help with finding a solution, or showing what the > problem is. > Alan > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 9:02 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Alan, do you want a photo of a close up of the bare spot on the wire or a > shot of the body and end close together just before you plug in the lugs? > > Rick > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page. > Alan > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only > option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on > that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on > it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just > wish the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. > Hindsight! > > Rick > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any > exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat. > Alan > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 11:21:53 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Cliff, yes I will post a drawing and maybe a picture of what I am thinking of. Keep your fingers crossed! Rick On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 3:53 PM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick, if the new way you have designed to connect the motor leads to the spade connection on the MK 101 lower unit works, please work up a sketch or drawing and share with Psubs.org.? I know a lot of us would like to see an alternative way of making this connection.? Yo can send drawing to Jon and he can post at web site. Best Cliff On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 07:23:46 PM CDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan, the more options the better. Rick On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 11:18 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Rick,I got the picture of the worn wire, thanks.It is probably a bit difficult to send photos that would describe exactly what is going on.Am wondering if you could scuff up the housing a bit & epoxy the wire to the housing. After all the magnets are glued to the housing. You might have to clamp the?Wire against the housing with a piece of wood or something while drying and use as much epoxy as you can. I have found that epoxy doesn't do a great job of glueing to PVC wire jackets, so try & cover as much of it as you can & cover as much housing as you can with the epoxy.I made my own brushless thruster because I wasn't happy with what was out there; and what was ok cost thousands.Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 at 6:12 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Been doing alot of thinking on this as it is a big problem. I might see if I can fabricate two things that are rigid that do a hard 90 off the spade on the motor which will then do another hard 90 again just before the wall of the housing, then shorten the wires coming out of the epoxy and put spade connectors on them again so that you?are plugging them in just as they come out of the rod going thru the hull that is filled with epoxy instead of plugging them in at the motor like the factory did.? As they say,,,Looks good on paper. Just finished giving the inside another coat of paint working my way out the back. What a real pain as I had to do a lot of masking with painters tape on the wires and piping to keep them from getting paint on them and using a real small brush sometimes to get into the tight spots. Now I have to remove it all?, but the next step is welding the back dome on which will be another milestone for me. Gonna try and tig weld the root and hot pass and cap on the inside and not have to do any stick welding to preserve?the new paint job that I just did.?I'll provide a picture to the group of what I come up with for the motor and results. Rick Rick On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 12:36 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Rick,anything that might help with finding a solution, or showing what the problem is.?Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 9:02 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, do you want a photo of a close up of the bare spot on the wire or a shot of the body and end close together just before you plug in the lugs? Rick On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page.AlanSent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just wish?the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. Hindsight! Rick On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,?There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any exposed wires. 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Rick On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 6:09 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Pretty sure we have a 1mb size limit on photos and documents to the list. > If it's bigger than that, send to jon.wallace at yahoo.com and I'll get it > to the list and website. > > Jon > > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 11:21:53 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Cliff, yes I will post a drawing and maybe a picture of what I am thinking > of. Keep your fingers crossed! > > Rick > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 3:53 PM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, if the new way you have designed to connect the motor leads to the > spade connection on the MK 101 lower unit works, please work up a sketch or > drawing and share with Psubs.org. I know a lot of us would like to see an > alternative way of making this connection. Yo can send drawing to Jon and > he can post at web site. > > Best > > Cliff > > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 07:23:46 PM CDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Thanks Alan, the more options the better. > > Rick > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 11:18 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi Rick, > I got the picture of the worn wire, thanks. > It is probably a bit difficult to send photos that would describe exactly > what is going on. > Am wondering if you could scuff up the housing a bit & epoxy the wire to > the housing. After all the magnets are glued to the housing. You might have > to clamp the > Wire against the housing with a piece of wood or something while drying > and use as much epoxy as you can. I have found that epoxy doesn't do a > great job of glueing to PVC wire jackets, so try & cover as much of it as > you can & cover as much housing as you can with the epoxy. > I made my own brushless thruster because I wasn't happy with what was out > there; and what was ok cost thousands. > Alan > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 at 6:12 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Been doing alot of thinking on this as it is a big problem. I might see if > I can fabricate two things that are rigid that do a hard 90 off the spade > on the motor which will then do another hard 90 again just before the wall > of the housing, then shorten the wires coming out of the epoxy and put > spade connectors on them again so that you are plugging them in just as > they come out of the rod going thru the hull that is filled with epoxy > instead of plugging them in at the motor like the factory did. As they > say,,,Looks good on paper. Just finished giving the inside another coat of > paint working my way out the back. What a real pain as I had to do a lot of > masking with painters tape on the wires and piping to keep them from > getting paint on them and using a real small brush sometimes to get into > the tight spots. Now I have to remove it all?, but the next step is > welding the back dome on which will be another milestone for me. Gonna try > and tig weld the root and hot pass and cap on the inside and not have to do > any stick welding to preserve the new paint job that I just did. > I'll provide a picture to the group of what I come up with for the motor > and results. > > Rick > Rick > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 12:36 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi Rick, > anything that might help with finding a solution, or showing what the > problem is. > Alan > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 9:02 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Alan, do you want a photo of a close up of the bare spot on the wire or a > shot of the body and end close together just before you plug in the lugs? > > Rick > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page. > Alan > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only > option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on > that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on > it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just > wish the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. > Hindsight! > > Rick > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any > exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat. > Alan > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will modify the video to include it. I couldn?t look at the footage as they were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view. I went and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at it..... Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and valve. Reseat the port? Any ideas? Regards James https://youtu.be/Wbjvgc7DBzM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 15 06:12:51 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 10:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1011896732.951857.1660558371449@mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations, James. Was that seawater at the viewport? I didn't see a taste test. Could simply have been condensation, yes? Good news, though. Now you can sort that valve out and go diving. What a great way to end the summer!!!Vance -----Original Message----- From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 5:30 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. Hi all.I finally managed to do a deep test.? We get about 60 meters reasonably close to land.? There are some deeper places but they are too far out to sea to get to easily. ?I was trying for 50 meters which is no where near what she should be tested to I know, but it?s deeper than she has ever been or likely to go from now on.There was 40 meters of cable and 10 meters of strops, but the deck length gobbled some up and they left a turn on the winch.? We drifted with the tide for an hour with the sub at the end of the line.? It?s very flat on the seabed where we were so nothing to crash into.So in the end I got about 43meters.? I?m slightly disappointed I couldn?t get to 50 but there we go. ?The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will modify the video to include it.? I couldn?t look at the footage as they were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view.? I went and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at it.....Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and valve.? Reseat the port? Any ideas?RegardsJameshttps://youtu.be/Wbjvgc7DBzM _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 15 06:41:19 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 11:41:19 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. In-Reply-To: <1011896732.951857.1660558371449@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1011896732.951857.1660558371449@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Vance, I didnt do a taste test on the water, but pretty sure it was seawater. There was no condensation anywhere in the boat. I might re-seat the port. And take that valve apart and see whats going on there. Going to try and get a dive in now if i can get helpers. Regards James On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 at 11:13, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Congratulations, James. Was that seawater at the viewport? I didn't see a > taste test. Could simply have been condensation, yes? Good news, though. > Now you can sort that valve out and go diving. What a great way to end the > summer!!! > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 5:30 am > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. > > Hi all. > I finally managed to do a deep test. We get about 60 meters reasonably > close to land. There are some deeper places but they are too far out to > sea to get to easily. > I was trying for 50 meters which is no where near what she should be > tested to I know, but it?s deeper than she has ever been or likely to go > from now on. > There was 40 meters of cable and 10 meters of strops, but the deck length > gobbled some up and they left a turn on the winch. We drifted with the > tide for an hour with the sub at the end of the line. It?s very flat on > the seabed where we were so nothing to crash into. > So in the end I got about 43meters. I?m slightly disappointed I couldn?t > get to 50 but there we go. > The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will > modify the video to include it. I couldn?t look at the footage as they > were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view. I went > and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at > it..... > Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and valve. > Reseat the port? Any ideas? > Regards > James > https://youtu.be/Wbjvgc7DBzM > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:52:11 AM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, I will be taking the picture with my smart phone and sending it on so how do I tell what size it is before sending it?? Rick On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 6:09 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Pretty sure we have a 1mb size limit on photos and documents to the list.? If it's bigger than that, send to jon.wallace at yahoo.com and I'll get it to the list and website. Jon On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 11:21:53 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Cliff, yes I will post a drawing and maybe a picture of what I am thinking of. Keep your fingers crossed! Rick On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 3:53 PM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick, if the new way you have designed to connect the motor leads to the spade connection on the MK 101 lower unit works, please work up a sketch or drawing and share with Psubs.org.? I know a lot of us would like to see an alternative way of making this connection.? Yo can send drawing to Jon and he can post at web site. Best Cliff On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 07:23:46 PM CDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan, the more options the better. Rick On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 11:18 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Rick,I got the picture of the worn wire, thanks.It is probably a bit difficult to send photos that would describe exactly what is going on.Am wondering if you could scuff up the housing a bit & epoxy the wire to the housing. After all the magnets are glued to the housing. You might have to clamp the?Wire against the housing with a piece of wood or something while drying and use as much epoxy as you can. I have found that epoxy doesn't do a great job of glueing to PVC wire jackets, so try & cover as much of it as you can & cover as much housing as you can with the epoxy.I made my own brushless thruster because I wasn't happy with what was out there; and what was ok cost thousands.Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 at 6:12 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Been doing alot of thinking on this as it is a big problem. I might see if I can fabricate two things that are rigid that do a hard 90 off the spade on the motor which will then do another hard 90 again just before the wall of the housing, then shorten the wires coming out of the epoxy and put spade connectors on them again so that you?are plugging them in just as they come out of the rod going thru the hull that is filled with epoxy instead of plugging them in at the motor like the factory did.? As they say,,,Looks good on paper. Just finished giving the inside another coat of paint working my way out the back. What a real pain as I had to do a lot of masking with painters tape on the wires and piping to keep them from getting paint on them and using a real small brush sometimes to get into the tight spots. Now I have to remove it all?, but the next step is welding the back dome on which will be another milestone for me. Gonna try and tig weld the root and hot pass and cap on the inside and not have to do any stick welding to preserve?the new paint job that I just did.?I'll provide a picture to the group of what I come up with for the motor and results. Rick Rick On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 12:36 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Rick,anything that might help with finding a solution, or showing what the problem is.?Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 9:02 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, do you want a photo of a close up of the bare spot on the wire or a shot of the body and end close together just before you plug in the lugs? Rick On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page.AlanSent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just wish?the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. Hindsight! Rick On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,?There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any exposed wires. Apply a number of thinner coats rather than one thick coat.Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 7:56 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And take that valve apart and see whats going on there. Going to try and get a dive in now if i can get helpers. Regards James On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 at 11:13, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Congratulations, James. Was that seawater at the viewport? I didn't see a taste test. Could simply have been condensation, yes? Good news, though. Now you can sort that valve out and go diving. What a great way to end the summer!!!Vance -----Original Message----- From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 5:30 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. Hi all.I finally managed to do a deep test.? We get about 60 meters reasonably close to land.? There are some deeper places but they are too far out to sea to get to easily. ?I was trying for 50 meters which is no where near what she should be tested to I know, but it?s deeper than she has ever been or likely to go from now on.There was 40 meters of cable and 10 meters of strops, but the deck length gobbled some up and they left a turn on the winch.? We drifted with the tide for an hour with the sub at the end of the line.? It?s very flat on the seabed where we were so nothing to crash into.So in the end I got about 43meters.? I?m slightly disappointed I couldn?t get to 50 but there we go. ?The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will modify the video to include it.? I couldn?t look at the footage as they were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view.? I went and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at it.....Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and valve.? Reseat the port? Any ideas?RegardsJameshttps://youtu.be/Wbjvgc7DBzM _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 15 09:37:11 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 13:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. In-Reply-To: <1011896732.951857.1660558371449@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1011896732.951857.1660558371449@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <808943769.1891309.1660570631213@mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations James.? Always great to see a successful depth qualification test.? To sort out the leaky scuttle valve, I would build a bench pressure test and retest after disassembly, inspection and repacking. As you note, K250 have seen much deeper depths than 50 m.? If it were me, I would shoot for depth qualification of 1.25 times 250 ft operating depth or 313 ft (95m).? ?As well built as your boat is, a depth qualification to 95m should be no problem. As to small leak on viewport I am with Vance, I have a lot of condensation on all my dives as I don't have on AC system.? I would make sure this water was not fresh.?? Best Cliff PS: that was a serious tender boat you used for test.? If you don't mind answering, what was the day rate on the boat? ? On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 05:13:39 AM CDT, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Congratulations, James. Was that seawater at the viewport? I didn't see a taste test. Could simply have been condensation, yes? Good news, though. Now you can sort that valve out and go diving. What a great way to end the summer!!!Vance -----Original Message----- From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 5:30 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. Hi all.I finally managed to do a deep test.? We get about 60 meters reasonably close to land.? There are some deeper places but they are too far out to sea to get to easily. ?I was trying for 50 meters which is no where near what she should be tested to I know, but it?s deeper than she has ever been or likely to go from now on.There was 40 meters of cable and 10 meters of strops, but the deck length gobbled some up and they left a turn on the winch.? We drifted with the tide for an hour with the sub at the end of the line.? It?s very flat on the seabed where we were so nothing to crash into.So in the end I got about 43meters.? I?m slightly disappointed I couldn?t get to 50 but there we go. ?The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will modify the video to include it.? I couldn?t look at the footage as they were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view.? I went and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at it.....Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and valve.? Reseat the port? Any ideas?RegardsJameshttps://youtu.be/Wbjvgc7DBzM _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 15 10:37:59 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. In-Reply-To: References: <1011896732.951857.1660558371449@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1032236256.1006940.1660574279192@mail.yahoo.com> I'd fix the valve and hold off on the port. The sub held vacuum prior to launch, and still had some vacuum on it when it surfaced. Doesn't make any sense that it would leak when it wasn't leaking in the first place. That said, I'm not sure how you sealed it in the first place, so what do I know.Vance -----Original Message----- From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 6:41 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. Hi Vance,I didnt do a taste test on the water, but pretty sure it was seawater.? There was no condensation anywhere in the boat.? I might re-seat the port.? And take that valve apart and see whats going on there. Going to try and get a dive in now if i can get helpers. Regards James On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 at 11:13, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Congratulations, James. Was that seawater at the viewport? I didn't see a taste test. Could simply have been condensation, yes? Good news, though. Now you can sort that valve out and go diving. What a great way to end the summer!!!Vance -----Original Message----- From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 5:30 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. Hi all.I finally managed to do a deep test.? We get about 60 meters reasonably close to land.? There are some deeper places but they are too far out to sea to get to easily. ?I was trying for 50 meters which is no where near what she should be tested to I know, but it?s deeper than she has ever been or likely to go from now on.There was 40 meters of cable and 10 meters of strops, but the deck length gobbled some up and they left a turn on the winch.? We drifted with the tide for an hour with the sub at the end of the line.? It?s very flat on the seabed where we were so nothing to crash into.So in the end I got about 43meters.? I?m slightly disappointed I couldn?t get to 50 but there we go. ?The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will modify the video to include it.? I couldn?t look at the footage as they were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view.? I went and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at it.....Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and valve.? Reseat the port? Any ideas?RegardsJameshttps://youtu.be/Wbjvgc7DBzM _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 15 10:44:27 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. In-Reply-To: <808943769.1891309.1660570631213@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1011896732.951857.1660558371449@mail.yahoo.com> <808943769.1891309.1660570631213@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1062927923.1013084.1660574667727@mail.yahoo.com> Webb Maynard tested his K350 Lake Diver by diving it himself incrementally, all the way to 500 feet. George had a stiff-neck down-East hissy fit when he heard. Maynard just gave him one of those aw shucks grins and said hey, all's well that ends well. And as rowdy as I got complaining about it, the is exactly what Karl Stanley did, and he's made about a jillion dives since with no problems. I'm not pointing any fingers here ?lads. Just sayin'.Vance ? ?? ? ?? -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 9:37 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. Congratulations James.? Always great to see a successful depth qualification test.? To sort out the leaky scuttle valve, I would build a bench pressure test and retest after disassembly, inspection and repacking. As you note, K250 have seen much deeper depths than 50 m.? If it were me, I would shoot for depth qualification of 1.25 times 250 ft operating depth or 313 ft (95m).? ?As well built as your boat is, a depth qualification to 95m should be no problem. As to small leak on viewport I am with Vance, I have a lot of condensation on all my dives as I don't have on AC system.? I would make sure this water was not fresh.?? Best Cliff PS: that was a serious tender boat you used for test.? If you don't mind answering, what was the day rate on the boat? ? On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 05:13:39 AM CDT, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Congratulations, James. Was that seawater at the viewport? I didn't see a taste test. Could simply have been condensation, yes? Good news, though. Now you can sort that valve out and go diving. What a great way to end the summer!!!Vance -----Original Message----- From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 5:30 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. Hi all.I finally managed to do a deep test.? We get about 60 meters reasonably close to land.? There are some deeper places but they are too far out to sea to get to easily. ?I was trying for 50 meters which is no where near what she should be tested to I know, but it?s deeper than she has ever been or likely to go from now on.There was 40 meters of cable and 10 meters of strops, but the deck length gobbled some up and they left a turn on the winch.? We drifted with the tide for an hour with the sub at the end of the line.? It?s very flat on the seabed where we were so nothing to crash into.So in the end I got about 43meters.? I?m slightly disappointed I couldn?t get to 50 but there we go. ?The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will modify the video to include it.? I couldn?t look at the footage as they were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view.? I went and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at it.....Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and valve.? Reseat the port? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 15 12:33:44 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 06:33:44 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-Kota In-Reply-To: <136234942.1866563.1660568690873@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570925717.2826468.1660059223169@mail.yahoo.com> <2124409439.2852172.1660061273488@mail.yahoo.com> <271079675.3088002.1660089010956@mail.yahoo.com> <1997522440.69663.1660162855994@mail.yahoo.com> <1625825209.1278096.1660386950263@mail.yahoo.com> <1875675775.1666298.1660511879999@mail.yahoo.com> <909258098.1722683.1660528353794@mail.yahoo.com> <408384729.1748193.1660536492252@mail.yahoo.com> <136234942.1866563.1660568690873@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OK will do. Rick On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 3:06 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Send it to me privately. Pictures direct from your phone will be too > large for the mailing list. > > Jon > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:52:11 AM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Jon, I will be taking the picture with my smart phone and sending it on so > how do I tell what size it is before sending it? > > Rick > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 6:09 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Pretty sure we have a 1mb size limit on photos and documents to the list. > If it's bigger than that, send to jon.wallace at yahoo.com and I'll get it > to the list and website. > > Jon > > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 11:21:53 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Cliff, yes I will post a drawing and maybe a picture of what I am thinking > of. Keep your fingers crossed! > > Rick > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 3:53 PM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, if the new way you have designed to connect the motor leads to the > spade connection on the MK 101 lower unit works, please work up a sketch or > drawing and share with Psubs.org. I know a lot of us would like to see an > alternative way of making this connection. Yo can send drawing to Jon and > he can post at web site. > > Best > > Cliff > > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 07:23:46 PM CDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Thanks Alan, the more options the better. > > Rick > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 11:18 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi Rick, > I got the picture of the worn wire, thanks. > It is probably a bit difficult to send photos that would describe exactly > what is going on. > Am wondering if you could scuff up the housing a bit & epoxy the wire to > the housing. After all the magnets are glued to the housing. You might have > to clamp the > Wire against the housing with a piece of wood or something while drying > and use as much epoxy as you can. I have found that epoxy doesn't do a > great job of glueing to PVC wire jackets, so try & cover as much of it as > you can & cover as much housing as you can with the epoxy. > I made my own brushless thruster because I wasn't happy with what was out > there; and what was ok cost thousands. > Alan > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 at 6:12 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Been doing alot of thinking on this as it is a big problem. I might see if > I can fabricate two things that are rigid that do a hard 90 off the spade > on the motor which will then do another hard 90 again just before the wall > of the housing, then shorten the wires coming out of the epoxy and put > spade connectors on them again so that you are plugging them in just as > they come out of the rod going thru the hull that is filled with epoxy > instead of plugging them in at the motor like the factory did. As they > say,,,Looks good on paper. Just finished giving the inside another coat of > paint working my way out the back. What a real pain as I had to do a lot of > masking with painters tape on the wires and piping to keep them from > getting paint on them and using a real small brush sometimes to get into > the tight spots. Now I have to remove it all?, but the next step is > welding the back dome on which will be another milestone for me. Gonna try > and tig weld the root and hot pass and cap on the inside and not have to do > any stick welding to preserve the new paint job that I just did. > I'll provide a picture to the group of what I come up with for the motor > and results. > > Rick > Rick > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 12:36 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi Rick, > anything that might help with finding a solution, or showing what the > problem is. > Alan > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 9:02 am, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Alan, do you want a photo of a close up of the bare spot on the wire or a > shot of the body and end close together just before you plug in the lugs? > > Rick > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > can you post a photo of it either here or on the Facebook page. > Alan > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:51 pm, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Thanks Alan, I have some and was thinking that that would be my only > option but wanted to double check with the gang. No matter what I put on > that area, if it rubs again it's going to go pretty much anything I put on > it. I am using the 90 degree spade clips like the factory did but just > wish the guys who designed it would of designed it a little differently. > Hindsight! > > Rick > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:51 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > There are various versions of liquid tape you could brush on to any > exposed wires. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 15 13:06:51 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:06:51 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. In-Reply-To: <1062927923.1013084.1660574667727@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1011896732.951857.1660558371449@mail.yahoo.com> <808943769.1891309.1660570631213@mail.yahoo.com> <1062927923.1013084.1660574667727@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great video James! I kept seeing dollar signs during the video, land craines and work boats. I saw a strap on the front of the hatch to secure it but didn't get a good look at the rear of the hatch. Rick On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 4:45 AM via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Webb Maynard tested his K350 Lake Diver by diving it himself > incrementally, all the way to 500 feet. George had a stiff-neck down-East > hissy fit when he heard. Maynard just gave him one of those aw shucks grins > and said hey, all's well that ends well. And as rowdy as I got complaining > about it, the is exactly what Karl Stanley did, and he's made about a > jillion dives since with no problems. I'm not pointing any fingers here > lads. Just sayin'. > Vance > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 9:37 am > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. > > Congratulations James. Always great to see a successful depth > qualification test. To sort out the leaky scuttle valve, I would build a > bench pressure test and retest after disassembly, inspection and repacking. > > As you note, K250 have seen much deeper depths than 50 m. If it were me, > I would shoot for depth qualification of 1.25 times 250 ft operating depth > or 313 ft (95m). As well built as your boat is, a depth qualification to > 95m should be no problem. > > As to small leak on viewport I am with Vance, I have a lot of condensation > on all my dives as I don't have on AC system. I would make sure this water > was not fresh. > > Best > > Cliff > > PS: that was a serious tender boat you used for test. If you don't mind > answering, what was the day rate on the boat? > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 05:13:39 AM CDT, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Congratulations, James. Was that seawater at the viewport? I didn't see a > taste test. Could simply have been condensation, yes? Good news, though. > Now you can sort that valve out and go diving. What a great way to end the > summer!!! > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 5:30 am > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. > > Hi all. > I finally managed to do a deep test. We get about 60 meters reasonably > close to land. There are some deeper places but they are too far out to > sea to get to easily. > I was trying for 50 meters which is no where near what she should be > tested to I know, but it?s deeper than she has ever been or likely to go > from now on. > There was 40 meters of cable and 10 meters of strops, but the deck length > gobbled some up and they left a turn on the winch. We drifted with the > tide for an hour with the sub at the end of the line. It?s very flat on > the seabed where we were so nothing to crash into. > So in the end I got about 43meters. I?m slightly disappointed I couldn?t > get to 50 but there we go. > The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will > modify the video to include it. I couldn?t look at the footage as they > were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view. I went > and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at > it..... > Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and valve. > Reseat the port? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 16 03:43:40 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 08:43:40 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. In-Reply-To: References: <1011896732.951857.1660558371449@mail.yahoo.com> <808943769.1891309.1660570631213@mail.yahoo.com> <1062927923.1013084.1660574667727@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Could have been condensation on the port. I?m going to leave that for now and just tackle the valve. With regards to cost. I?ll take that off list with those interested. @cliff. I totally agree that 1.25 x operating depth is the correct way to test it. But this is the best I can do. I tried to take it to the chamber in Aberdeen. Had it all booked but then the day before I was to leave, they said they wouldn?t do it as it?s home made and if it failed might damage their equipment. There are no lakes here and to get 100 meters in the ocean would take about a 4 hour trip just to get there and at the price of the hire boat, I had to go closer in. I told them to get me as deep as they could. We were in 60 meters of water so I should really have been able to get a bit more. It will have to do. I think as I got to 43 meters, plus the pressure drop inside, I can dive confidently to 40. There is a wreck I want to do that is 30, so should be good for that. @rick. The hatch was sealed with ratchet straps. 6 in total. Plus a pressure drop inside. I tested the seal by removing the straps once the pressure was dropped and trying to open the hatch. I could not. Regards James On Monday, 15 August 2022, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Great video James! I kept seeing dollar signs during the video, land > craines and work boats. I saw a strap on the front of the hatch to secure > it but didn't get a good look at the rear of the hatch. > Rick > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 4:45 AM via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Webb Maynard tested his K350 Lake Diver by diving it himself >> incrementally, all the way to 500 feet. George had a stiff-neck down-East >> hissy fit when he heard. Maynard just gave him one of those aw shucks grins >> and said hey, all's well that ends well. And as rowdy as I got complaining >> about it, the is exactly what Karl Stanley did, and he's made about a >> jillion dives since with no problems. I'm not pointing any fingers here >> lads. Just sayin'. >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> To: via Personal_Submersibles >> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 9:37 am >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. >> >> Congratulations James. Always great to see a successful depth >> qualification test. To sort out the leaky scuttle valve, I would build a >> bench pressure test and retest after disassembly, inspection and repacking. >> >> As you note, K250 have seen much deeper depths than 50 m. If it were me, >> I would shoot for depth qualification of 1.25 times 250 ft operating depth >> or 313 ft (95m). As well built as your boat is, a depth qualification to >> 95m should be no problem. >> >> As to small leak on viewport I am with Vance, I have a lot of >> condensation on all my dives as I don't have on AC system. I would make >> sure this water was not fresh. >> >> Best >> >> Cliff >> >> PS: that was a serious tender boat you used for test. If you don't mind >> answering, what was the day rate on the boat? >> >> >> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 05:13:39 AM CDT, via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> >> Congratulations, James. Was that seawater at the viewport? I didn't see a >> taste test. Could simply have been condensation, yes? Good news, though. >> Now you can sort that valve out and go diving. What a great way to end the >> summer!!! >> Vance >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 5:30 am >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. >> >> Hi all. >> I finally managed to do a deep test. We get about 60 meters reasonably >> close to land. There are some deeper places but they are too far out to >> sea to get to easily. >> I was trying for 50 meters which is no where near what she should be >> tested to I know, but it?s deeper than she has ever been or likely to go >> from now on. >> There was 40 meters of cable and 10 meters of strops, but the deck length >> gobbled some up and they left a turn on the winch. We drifted with the >> tide for an hour with the sub at the end of the line. It?s very flat on >> the seabed where we were so nothing to crash into. >> So in the end I got about 43meters. I?m slightly disappointed I couldn?t >> get to 50 but there we go. >> The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will >> modify the video to include it. I couldn?t look at the footage as they >> were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view. I went >> and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at >> it..... >> Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and valve. >> Reseat the port? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 16 07:42:02 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:42:02 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. In-Reply-To: References: <1011896732.951857.1660558371449@mail.yahoo.com> <808943769.1891309.1660570631213@mail.yahoo.com> <1062927923.1013084.1660574667727@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello James Nice test! Indeed hard to find deep waters here in the Channel. And managing tidal currents is tricky. I had to go to the Mediterranean sea for my sub where I rented a barge for a few thousand euros with a crane to put the sub in the water and a winch to roll the cable holding the sub to -250m. The main issue there was bureaucratic, as I did the test close to the French nuclear attack submarine base. Regards, Antoine Le mar. 16 ao?t 2022 ? 09:56, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> a ?crit : > Hi all, > Could have been condensation on the port. I?m going to leave that for now > and just tackle the valve. > > With regards to cost. I?ll take that off list with those interested. > > @cliff. I totally agree that 1.25 x operating depth is the correct way to > test it. But this is the best I can do. I tried to take it to the chamber > in Aberdeen. Had it all booked but then the day before I was to leave, > they said they wouldn?t do it as it?s home made and if it failed might > damage their equipment. There are no lakes here and to get 100 meters in > the ocean would take about a 4 hour trip just to get there and at the price > of the hire boat, I had to go closer in. > > I told them to get me as deep as they could. We were in 60 meters of > water so I should really have been able to get a bit more. > > It will have to do. I think as I got to 43 meters, plus the pressure drop > inside, I can dive confidently to 40. There is a wreck I want to do that > is 30, so should be good for that. > > @rick. The hatch was sealed with ratchet straps. 6 in total. Plus a > pressure drop inside. I tested the seal by removing the straps once the > pressure was dropped and trying to open the hatch. I could not. > > Regards > James > > > > On Monday, 15 August 2022, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Great video James! I kept seeing dollar signs during the video, land >> craines and work boats. I saw a strap on the front of the hatch to secure >> it but didn't get a good look at the rear of the hatch. >> Rick >> >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 4:45 AM via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Webb Maynard tested his K350 Lake Diver by diving it himself >>> incrementally, all the way to 500 feet. George had a stiff-neck down-East >>> hissy fit when he heard. Maynard just gave him one of those aw shucks grins >>> and said hey, all's well that ends well. And as rowdy as I got complaining >>> about it, the is exactly what Karl Stanley did, and he's made about a >>> jillion dives since with no problems. I'm not pointing any fingers here >>> lads. Just sayin'. >>> Vance >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> To: via Personal_Submersibles >>> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 9:37 am >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. >>> >>> Congratulations James. Always great to see a successful depth >>> qualification test. To sort out the leaky scuttle valve, I would build a >>> bench pressure test and retest after disassembly, inspection and repacking. >>> >>> As you note, K250 have seen much deeper depths than 50 m. If it were >>> me, I would shoot for depth qualification of 1.25 times 250 ft operating >>> depth or 313 ft (95m). As well built as your boat is, a depth >>> qualification to 95m should be no problem. >>> >>> As to small leak on viewport I am with Vance, I have a lot of >>> condensation on all my dives as I don't have on AC system. I would make >>> sure this water was not fresh. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Cliff >>> >>> PS: that was a serious tender boat you used for test. If you don't mind >>> answering, what was the day rate on the boat? >>> >>> >>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 05:13:39 AM CDT, via Personal_Submersibles >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Congratulations, James. Was that seawater at the viewport? I didn't see >>> a taste test. Could simply have been condensation, yes? Good news, though. >>> Now you can sort that valve out and go diving. What a great way to end the >>> summer!!! >>> Vance >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 5:30 am >>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. >>> >>> Hi all. >>> I finally managed to do a deep test. We get about 60 meters reasonably >>> close to land. There are some deeper places but they are too far out to >>> sea to get to easily. >>> I was trying for 50 meters which is no where near what she should be >>> tested to I know, but it?s deeper than she has ever been or likely to go >>> from now on. >>> There was 40 meters of cable and 10 meters of strops, but the deck >>> length gobbled some up and they left a turn on the winch. We drifted with >>> the tide for an hour with the sub at the end of the line. It?s very flat >>> on the seabed where we were so nothing to crash into. >>> So in the end I got about 43meters. I?m slightly disappointed I >>> couldn?t get to 50 but there we go. >>> The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will >>> modify the video to include it. I couldn?t look at the footage as they >>> were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view. I went >>> and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at >>> it..... >>> Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and >>> valve. Reseat the port? Any ideas? >>> Regards >>> James >>> https://youtu.be/Wbjvgc7DBzM >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 16 11:00:18 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 16:00:18 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. In-Reply-To: References: <1011896732.951857.1660558371449@mail.yahoo.com> <808943769.1891309.1660570631213@mail.yahoo.com> <1062927923.1013084.1660574667727@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Antoine! That is a proper test! On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 12:53, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hello James > Nice test! Indeed hard to find deep waters here in the Channel. And > managing tidal currents is tricky. > I had to go to the Mediterranean sea for my sub where I rented a barge for > a few thousand euros with a crane to put the sub in the water and a winch > to roll the cable holding the sub to -250m. > The main issue there was bureaucratic, as I did the test close to the > French nuclear attack submarine base. > > Regards, > Antoine > > Le mar. 16 ao?t 2022 ? 09:56, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> a ?crit : > >> Hi all, >> Could have been condensation on the port. I?m going to leave that for >> now and just tackle the valve. >> >> With regards to cost. I?ll take that off list with those interested. >> >> @cliff. I totally agree that 1.25 x operating depth is the correct way >> to test it. But this is the best I can do. I tried to take it to the >> chamber in Aberdeen. Had it all booked but then the day before I was to >> leave, they said they wouldn?t do it as it?s home made and if it failed >> might damage their equipment. There are no lakes here and to get 100 >> meters in the ocean would take about a 4 hour trip just to get there and at >> the price of the hire boat, I had to go closer in. >> >> I told them to get me as deep as they could. We were in 60 meters of >> water so I should really have been able to get a bit more. >> >> It will have to do. I think as I got to 43 meters, plus the pressure >> drop inside, I can dive confidently to 40. There is a wreck I want to do >> that is 30, so should be good for that. >> >> @rick. The hatch was sealed with ratchet straps. 6 in total. Plus a >> pressure drop inside. I tested the seal by removing the straps once the >> pressure was dropped and trying to open the hatch. I could not. >> >> Regards >> James >> >> >> >> On Monday, 15 August 2022, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Great video James! I kept seeing dollar signs during the video, land >>> craines and work boats. I saw a strap on the front of the hatch to secure >>> it but didn't get a good look at the rear of the hatch. >>> Rick >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 4:45 AM via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Webb Maynard tested his K350 Lake Diver by diving it himself >>>> incrementally, all the way to 500 feet. George had a stiff-neck down-East >>>> hissy fit when he heard. Maynard just gave him one of those aw shucks grins >>>> and said hey, all's well that ends well. And as rowdy as I got complaining >>>> about it, the is exactly what Karl Stanley did, and he's made about a >>>> jillion dives since with no problems. I'm not pointing any fingers here >>>> lads. Just sayin'. >>>> Vance >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> To: via Personal_Submersibles >>>> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 9:37 am >>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. >>>> >>>> Congratulations James. Always great to see a successful depth >>>> qualification test. To sort out the leaky scuttle valve, I would build a >>>> bench pressure test and retest after disassembly, inspection and repacking. >>>> >>>> As you note, K250 have seen much deeper depths than 50 m. If it were >>>> me, I would shoot for depth qualification of 1.25 times 250 ft operating >>>> depth or 313 ft (95m). As well built as your boat is, a depth >>>> qualification to 95m should be no problem. >>>> >>>> As to small leak on viewport I am with Vance, I have a lot of >>>> condensation on all my dives as I don't have on AC system. I would make >>>> sure this water was not fresh. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Cliff >>>> >>>> PS: that was a serious tender boat you used for test. If you don't >>>> mind answering, what was the day rate on the boat? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 05:13:39 AM CDT, via >>>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Congratulations, James. Was that seawater at the viewport? I didn't see >>>> a taste test. Could simply have been condensation, yes? Good news, though. >>>> Now you can sort that valve out and go diving. What a great way to end the >>>> summer!!! >>>> Vance >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 5:30 am >>>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> I finally managed to do a deep test. We get about 60 meters reasonably >>>> close to land. There are some deeper places but they are too far out to >>>> sea to get to easily. >>>> I was trying for 50 meters which is no where near what she should be >>>> tested to I know, but it?s deeper than she has ever been or likely to go >>>> from now on. >>>> There was 40 meters of cable and 10 meters of strops, but the deck >>>> length gobbled some up and they left a turn on the winch. We drifted with >>>> the tide for an hour with the sub at the end of the line. It?s very flat >>>> on the seabed where we were so nothing to crash into. >>>> So in the end I got about 43meters. I?m slightly disappointed I >>>> couldn?t get to 50 but there we go. >>>> The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will >>>> modify the video to include it. I couldn?t look at the footage as they >>>> were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view. I went >>>> and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at >>>> it..... >>>> Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and >>>> valve. Reseat the port? Any ideas? >>>> Regards >>>> James >>>> https://youtu.be/Wbjvgc7DBzM >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Aug 17 10:41:52 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 08:41:52 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C8DF7D-CD17-4869-9CF5-59B411DE5CA0@yahoo.ca> James well done. I am always impressed with your willingness to spend money. Hank Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2022, at 9:01 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ? > Antoine! That is a proper test! > >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 12:53, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hello James >> Nice test! Indeed hard to find deep waters here in the Channel. And managing tidal currents is tricky. >> I had to go to the Mediterranean sea for my sub where I rented a barge for a few thousand euros with a crane to put the sub in the water and a winch to roll the cable holding the sub to -250m. >> The main issue there was bureaucratic, as I did the test close to the French nuclear attack submarine base. >> >> Regards, >> Antoine >> >>> Le mar. 16 ao?t 2022 ? 09:56, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles a ?crit : >>> Hi all, >>> Could have been condensation on the port. I?m going to leave that for now and just tackle the valve. >>> >>> With regards to cost. I?ll take that off list with those interested. >>> >>> @cliff. I totally agree that 1.25 x operating depth is the correct way to test it. But this is the best I can do. I tried to take it to the chamber in Aberdeen. Had it all booked but then the day before I was to leave, they said they wouldn?t do it as it?s home made and if it failed might damage their equipment. There are no lakes here and to get 100 meters in the ocean would take about a 4 hour trip just to get there and at the price of the hire boat, I had to go closer in. >>> >>> I told them to get me as deep as they could. We were in 60 meters of water so I should really have been able to get a bit more. >>> >>> It will have to do. I think as I got to 43 meters, plus the pressure drop inside, I can dive confidently to 40. There is a wreck I want to do that is 30, so should be good for that. >>> >>> @rick. The hatch was sealed with ratchet straps. 6 in total. Plus a pressure drop inside. I tested the seal by removing the straps once the pressure was dropped and trying to open the hatch. I could not. >>> >>> Regards >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Monday, 15 August 2022, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Great video James! I kept seeing dollar signs during the video, land craines and work boats. I saw a strap on the front of the hatch to secure it but didn't get a good look at the rear of the hatch. >>>> Rick >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 4:45 AM via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> Webb Maynard tested his K350 Lake Diver by diving it himself incrementally, all the way to 500 feet. George had a stiff-neck down-East hissy fit when he heard. Maynard just gave him one of those aw shucks grins and said hey, all's well that ends well. And as rowdy as I got complaining about it, the is exactly what Karl Stanley did, and he's made about a jillion dives since with no problems. I'm not pointing any fingers here lads. Just sayin'. >>>>> Vance >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles >>>>> To: via Personal_Submersibles >>>>> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 9:37 am >>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. >>>>> >>>>> Congratulations James. Always great to see a successful depth qualification test. To sort out the leaky scuttle valve, I would build a bench pressure test and retest after disassembly, inspection and repacking. >>>>> >>>>> As you note, K250 have seen much deeper depths than 50 m. If it were me, I would shoot for depth qualification of 1.25 times 250 ft operating depth or 313 ft (95m). As well built as your boat is, a depth qualification to 95m should be no problem. >>>>> >>>>> As to small leak on viewport I am with Vance, I have a lot of condensation on all my dives as I don't have on AC system. I would make sure this water was not fresh. >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Cliff >>>>> >>>>> PS: that was a serious tender boat you used for test. If you don't mind answering, what was the day rate on the boat? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 05:13:39 AM CDT, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Congratulations, James. Was that seawater at the viewport? I didn't see a taste test. Could simply have been condensation, yes? Good news, though. Now you can sort that valve out and go diving. What a great way to end the summer!!! >>>>> Vance >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles >>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>>> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2022 5:30 am >>>>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deepish test. >>>>> >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> I finally managed to do a deep test. We get about 60 meters reasonably close to land. There are some deeper places but they are too far out to sea to get to easily. >>>>> I was trying for 50 meters which is no where near what she should be tested to I know, but it?s deeper than she has ever been or likely to go from now on. >>>>> There was 40 meters of cable and 10 meters of strops, but the deck length gobbled some up and they left a turn on the winch. We drifted with the tide for an hour with the sub at the end of the line. It?s very flat on the seabed where we were so nothing to crash into. >>>>> So in the end I got about 43meters. I?m slightly disappointed I couldn?t get to 50 but there we go. >>>>> The crew haven?t sent me the rov footage yet but when they do I will modify the video to include it. I couldn?t look at the footage as they were doing it fearing the sight of a crushed sub coming into view. I went and hid on the bridge and tried to gauge the reaction of those looking at it..... >>>>> Anyway, I?m not sure what to do with the weep on the viewport and valve. Reseat the port? 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I believe (from memory) that the K350 plans specified "cylinder to be within 1/8th (3.175mm) on diameter for a 3ft (914mm) shell . im quoting for a 650mm inside diameter 10mm cylinder. Im feeling i want to ask for 1mm on diameter. What do you guys think? ThanksJames_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 21 13:33:25 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:33:25 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Cylinder tolerance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi James, The ABS rules specify two conditions. First, that the out of roundness does not exceed 1% of the diameter. The second is more complicated. There's a table with a coefficient on each axis, showing curves of allowable eccentricities. That table takes into account more variables than the first rule (for instance, the length of the cylinder.) I'll attach two images in low res, in the hope they are under the mailing list attachment limit that way. Probably the simplest way to spec a cylinder is just to use the 1% rule. In practice, I found this a very tricky fabrication issue. The cylinder was supplied rolled but not welded, and although I don't recall its eccentricity I'm sure it was nowhere near 1% initially. I stretched the cylinder into roundness with the stiffeners, rolling them in along the greater diameter and then rotating them. Their fit was so tight, and the forces needed to stretch the cylinder so great, that it took several months of work to get them in. Hopefully this comes through with two attachments, but if it doesn't let me know and I'll email them directly. Best, Alec On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:58 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi All > > Im getting some quotes in for some rolled cylinders. > > What do people think i should ask for as the tolerance on roundness? > > I believe (from memory) that the K350 plans specified "cylinder to be > within 1/8th (3.175mm) on diameter for a 3ft (914mm) shell . > > im quoting for a 650mm inside diameter 10mm cylinder. > > Im feeling i want to ask for 1mm on diameter. > > What do you guys think? > > Thanks > James > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just an idea at this stage. Alec. Yes the pics came through thanks. Could you send me the whole page with the diagram it refers to.? Thanks. Vance. I will have it written into the contract the tolerance, so if it?s out, I can refuse it. 1% of 650 is 6.5mm allowed. Seems a lot to me.... Just ideas at this stage. Criticism and thoughts welcome. Regards James On Sunday, 21 August 2022, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi James, > > The ABS rules specify two conditions. First, that the out of roundness > does not exceed 1% of the diameter. The second is more complicated. There's > a table with a coefficient on each axis, showing curves of allowable > eccentricities. That table takes into account more variables than the first > rule (for instance, the length of the cylinder.) I'll attach two images in > low res, in the hope they are under the mailing list attachment limit that > way. Probably the simplest way to spec a cylinder is just to use the 1% > rule. > > In practice, I found this a very tricky fabrication issue. The cylinder > was supplied rolled but not welded, and although I don't recall its > eccentricity I'm sure it was nowhere near 1% initially. I stretched the > cylinder into roundness with the stiffeners, rolling them in along the > greater diameter and then rotating them. Their fit was so tight, and the > forces needed to stretch the cylinder so great, that it took several months > of work to get them in. > > Hopefully this comes through with two attachments, but if it doesn't let > me know and I'll email them directly. > > Best, > Alec > > > > On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:58 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> Im getting some quotes in for some rolled cylinders. >> >> What do people think i should ask for as the tolerance on roundness? >> >> I believe (from memory) that the K350 plans specified "cylinder to be >> within 1/8th (3.175mm) on diameter for a 3ft (914mm) shell . >> >> im quoting for a 650mm inside diameter 10mm cylinder. >> >> Im feeling i want to ask for 1mm on diameter. >> >> What do you guys think? >> >> Thanks >> James >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 22 03:57:16 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 08:57:16 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Cylinder tolerance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Picture didn?t seem to come through On Monday, 22 August 2022, James Frankland wrote: > Hi > The idea is to make a small simple sub that I can operate and launch > alone. I think I could make something like this pretty quick. > I?m just getting prices to see if it?s feasible. Kind of based the idea > on c-bug, R300 and deep flight dragon. > Cylinder is 650mm x 2000 unstiffened. Hence the thickness. Tower 6mm. > The fins are not intended to be diving planes or control surfaces. The 4 > motors would rotate and the sub simply drive about on the motors. The fins > are really just for looks.... > > Just an idea at this stage. > > Alec. Yes the pics came through thanks. Could you send me the whole page > with the diagram it refers to.? Thanks. > > Vance. I will have it written into the contract the tolerance, so if it?s > out, I can refuse it. > > 1% of 650 is 6.5mm allowed. Seems a lot to me.... > > Just ideas at this stage. Criticism and thoughts welcome. > Regards > James > > > On Sunday, 21 August 2022, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hi James, >> >> The ABS rules specify two conditions. First, that the out of roundness >> does not exceed 1% of the diameter. The second is more complicated. There's >> a table with a coefficient on each axis, showing curves of allowable >> eccentricities. That table takes into account more variables than the first >> rule (for instance, the length of the cylinder.) I'll attach two images in >> low res, in the hope they are under the mailing list attachment limit that >> way. Probably the simplest way to spec a cylinder is just to use the 1% >> rule. >> >> In practice, I found this a very tricky fabrication issue. The cylinder >> was supplied rolled but not welded, and although I don't recall its >> eccentricity I'm sure it was nowhere near 1% initially. I stretched the >> cylinder into roundness with the stiffeners, rolling them in along the >> greater diameter and then rotating them. Their fit was so tight, and the >> forces needed to stretch the cylinder so great, that it took several months >> of work to get them in. >> >> Hopefully this comes through with two attachments, but if it doesn't let >> me know and I'll email them directly. >> >> Best, >> Alec >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:58 AM James Frankland via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> Im getting some quotes in for some rolled cylinders. >>> >>> What do people think i should ask for as the tolerance on roundness? >>> >>> I believe (from memory) that the K350 plans specified "cylinder to be >>> within 1/8th (3.175mm) on diameter for a 3ft (914mm) shell . >>> >>> im quoting for a 650mm inside diameter 10mm cylinder. >>> >>> Im feeling i want to ask for 1mm on diameter. >>> >>> What do you guys think? >>> >>> Thanks >>> James >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The fins >> are really just for looks.... >> >> Just an idea at this stage. >> >> Alec. Yes the pics came through thanks. Could you send me the whole >> page with the diagram it refers to.? Thanks. >> >> Vance. I will have it written into the contract the tolerance, so if >> it?s out, I can refuse it. >> >> 1% of 650 is 6.5mm allowed. Seems a lot to me.... >> >> Just ideas at this stage. Criticism and thoughts welcome. >> Regards >> James >> >> >> On Sunday, 21 August 2022, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi James, >>> >>> The ABS rules specify two conditions. First, that the out of roundness >>> does not exceed 1% of the diameter. The second is more complicated. There's >>> a table with a coefficient on each axis, showing curves of allowable >>> eccentricities. That table takes into account more variables than the first >>> rule (for instance, the length of the cylinder.) I'll attach two images in >>> low res, in the hope they are under the mailing list attachment limit that >>> way. Probably the simplest way to spec a cylinder is just to use the 1% >>> rule. >>> >>> In practice, I found this a very tricky fabrication issue. The cylinder >>> was supplied rolled but not welded, and although I don't recall its >>> eccentricity I'm sure it was nowhere near 1% initially. I stretched the >>> cylinder into roundness with the stiffeners, rolling them in along the >>> greater diameter and then rotating them. Their fit was so tight, and the >>> forces needed to stretch the cylinder so great, that it took several months >>> of work to get them in. >>> >>> Hopefully this comes through with two attachments, but if it doesn't let >>> me know and I'll email them directly. >>> >>> Best, >>> Alec >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:58 AM James Frankland via >>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All >>>> >>>> Im getting some quotes in for some rolled cylinders. >>>> >>>> What do people think i should ask for as the tolerance on roundness? >>>> >>>> I believe (from memory) that the K350 plans specified "cylinder to be >>>> within 1/8th (3.175mm) on diameter for a 3ft (914mm) shell . >>>> >>>> im quoting for a 650mm inside diameter 10mm cylinder. >>>> >>>> Im feeling i want to ask for 1mm on diameter. >>>> >>>> What do you guys think? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> James >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I could make something like this pretty quick.I?m just getting prices to see if it?s feasible.? Kind of based the idea on c-bug, R300 and deep flight dragon.Cylinder is 650mm x 2000 unstiffened. ? Hence the thickness.? Tower 6mm.The fins are not intended to be diving planes or control surfaces.? The 4 motors would rotate and the sub simply drive about on the motors.? The fins are really just for looks.... Just an idea at this stage. Alec.? Yes the pics came through thanks.? Could you send me the whole page with the diagram it refers to.?? Thanks. Vance.? I will have it written into the contract the tolerance, so if it?s out, I can refuse it. 1% of 650 is 6.5mm allowed.? Seems a lot to me.... Just ideas at this stage.? Criticism and thoughts welcome. ?RegardsJames On Sunday, 21 August 2022, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi James, The ABS rules specify two conditions. First, that the out of roundness does not exceed 1% of the diameter. The second is more complicated. There's a table with a coefficient on each axis, showing curves of allowable eccentricities. That table takes into account more variables than the first rule (for instance, the length of the cylinder.) I'll attach two images in low res, in the hope they are under the mailing list attachment limit that way. Probably the simplest way to spec a cylinder is just to use the 1% rule.? In practice, I found this a very?tricky fabrication issue. The cylinder was supplied?rolled?but not?welded, and although I don't recall its eccentricity I'm sure it was nowhere near 1% initially. I stretched the cylinder into roundness with the stiffeners,?rolling them in along the greater diameter and then rotating them. Their fit was so tight, and the forces needed to stretch the cylinder so great, that it?took several months of work to get them?in. Hopefully this comes through with two attachments, but if it doesn't let me know and I'll email them directly. Best,Alec ?? On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:58 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All Im getting some quotes in for some rolled cylinders.?? What do people think i should ask for as the tolerance on roundness? I believe (from memory) that the K350 plans specified "cylinder to be within 1/8th (3.175mm) on diameter for a 3ft (914mm) shell . im quoting for a 650mm inside diameter 10mm cylinder. Im feeling i want to ask for 1mm on diameter. What do you guys think? ThanksJames_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 2:15 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Neat sub James, the question has been answered by Alec, but I recall that > window opening were allowed a greater out of roundness. > Hank > > > On Monday, August 22, 2022, 02:36:59 AM MDT, James Frankland via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Smaller picture..... > [image: image.png] > > On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 at 08:57, James Frankland < > jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote: > > Picture didn?t seem to come through > > > On Monday, 22 August 2022, James Frankland > wrote: > > Hi > The idea is to make a small simple sub that I can operate and launch > alone. I think I could make something like this pretty quick. > I?m just getting prices to see if it?s feasible. Kind of based the idea > on c-bug, R300 and deep flight dragon. > Cylinder is 650mm x 2000 unstiffened. Hence the thickness. Tower 6mm. > The fins are not intended to be diving planes or control surfaces. The 4 > motors would rotate and the sub simply drive about on the motors. The fins > are really just for looks.... > > Just an idea at this stage. > > Alec. Yes the pics came through thanks. Could you send me the whole page > with the diagram it refers to.? Thanks. > > Vance. I will have it written into the contract the tolerance, so if it?s > out, I can refuse it. > > 1% of 650 is 6.5mm allowed. Seems a lot to me.... > > Just ideas at this stage. Criticism and thoughts welcome. > Regards > James > > > On Sunday, 21 August 2022, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi James, > > The ABS rules specify two conditions. First, that the out of roundness > does not exceed 1% of the diameter. The second is more complicated. There's > a table with a coefficient on each axis, showing curves of allowable > eccentricities. That table takes into account more variables than the first > rule (for instance, the length of the cylinder.) I'll attach two images in > low res, in the hope they are under the mailing list attachment limit that > way. Probably the simplest way to spec a cylinder is just to use the 1% > rule. > > In practice, I found this a very tricky fabrication issue. The cylinder > was supplied rolled but not welded, and although I don't recall its > eccentricity I'm sure it was nowhere near 1% initially. I stretched the > cylinder into roundness with the stiffeners, rolling them in along the > greater diameter and then rotating them. Their fit was so tight, and the > forces needed to stretch the cylinder so great, that it took several months > of work to get them in. > > Hopefully this comes through with two attachments, but if it doesn't let > me know and I'll email them directly. > > Best, > Alec > > > > On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:58 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Hi All > > Im getting some quotes in for some rolled cylinders. > > What do people think i should ask for as the tolerance on roundness? > > I believe (from memory) that the K350 plans specified "cylinder to be > within 1/8th (3.175mm) on diameter for a 3ft (914mm) shell . > > im quoting for a 650mm inside diameter 10mm cylinder. > > Im feeling i want to ask for 1mm on diameter. > > What do you guys think? > > Thanks > James > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 2:15 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Neat sub James, the question has been answered by Alec, but I recall that window opening were allowed a greater out of roundness.Hank On Monday, August 22, 2022, 02:36:59 AM MDT, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Smaller picture..... On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 at 08:57, James Frankland wrote: Picture didn?t seem to come through On Monday, 22 August 2022, James Frankland wrote: Hi?The idea is to make a small simple sub that I can operate and launch alone.? I think I could make something like this pretty quick.I?m just getting prices to see if it?s feasible.? Kind of based the idea on c-bug, R300 and deep flight dragon.Cylinder is 650mm x 2000 unstiffened. ? Hence the thickness.? Tower 6mm.The fins are not intended to be diving planes or control surfaces.? The 4 motors would rotate and the sub simply drive about on the motors.? The fins are really just for looks.... Just an idea at this stage. Alec.? Yes the pics came through thanks.? Could you send me the whole page with the diagram it refers to.?? Thanks. Vance.? I will have it written into the contract the tolerance, so if it?s out, I can refuse it. 1% of 650 is 6.5mm allowed.? Seems a lot to me.... Just ideas at this stage.? Criticism and thoughts welcome. ?RegardsJames On Sunday, 21 August 2022, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi James, The ABS rules specify two conditions. First, that the out of roundness does not exceed 1% of the diameter. The second is more complicated. There's a table with a coefficient on each axis, showing curves of allowable eccentricities. That table takes into account more variables than the first rule (for instance, the length of the cylinder.) I'll attach two images in low res, in the hope they are under the mailing list attachment limit that way. Probably the simplest way to spec a cylinder is just to use the 1% rule.? In practice, I found this a very?tricky fabrication issue. The cylinder was supplied?rolled?but not?welded, and although I don't recall its eccentricity I'm sure it was nowhere near 1% initially. I stretched the cylinder into roundness with the stiffeners,?rolling them in along the greater diameter and then rotating them. Their fit was so tight, and the forces needed to stretch the cylinder so great, that it?took several months of work to get them?in. Hopefully this comes through with two attachments, but if it doesn't let me know and I'll email them directly. Best,Alec ?? On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:58 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All Im getting some quotes in for some rolled cylinders.?? What do people think i should ask for as the tolerance on roundness? I believe (from memory) that the K350 plans specified "cylinder to be within 1/8th (3.175mm) on diameter for a 3ft (914mm) shell . im quoting for a 650mm inside diameter 10mm cylinder. Im feeling i want to ask for 1mm on diameter. What do you guys think? 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Have built a dry ambient since then.Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 at 11:34 am, Brent Shaw via Personal_Submersibles wrote: _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Aug 27 13:07:57 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Ray Keefer via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 17:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] YouTube guy bought a 1998 Sport Sub References: <585398338.659087.1661620077154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <585398338.659087.1661620077154@mail.yahoo.com> Howdy, I cringed when I saw this. I can't tell if he is truly ignorant or being a comedian with his tongue-and-cheek comments. This guy has a huge learning curve ahead. I Bought A PERSONAL SUBMARINE From 1998!! 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I do like Sportsubs, and since the guy is a diver he's probably got the right sort of sub. But I guess I'm getting old when it comes to video editing and message. On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 1:08 PM Ray Keefer via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Howdy, > > I cringed when I saw this. I can't tell if he is truly ignorant or being a > comedian with his tongue-and-cheek comments. This guy has a huge learning > curve ahead. > > I Bought A PERSONAL SUBMARINE From 1998!! (130+ Feet DEEP) > > > I Bought A PERSONAL SUBMARINE From 1998!! (130+ Feet DEEP) > > > > > > > Regards, > Ray > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 30 17:14:00 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:14:00 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] YouTube guy bought a 1998 Sport Sub In-Reply-To: <961153298.674030.1661625311132@mail.yahoo.com> References: <585398338.659087.1661620077154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <585398338.659087.1661620077154@mail.yahoo.com> <961153298.674030.1661625311132@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The saga continues! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdaNGLcIous While the guy's attitude is perhaps closer to a cavalier showman than a cautious psub operator, I'm genuinely interested in his videos. Several years ago I purchased a Sportsub hull (directly from IVC I might add) with the aim of building a Sportsub piecemeal in the garage. But pretty soon I lost all support from the manufacturer. They first told me they didn't have the parts in stock, but when I offered to pay upfront and wait for the parts on backorder, they quit returning my emails / phone calls altogether. I was very disappointed that I was 'blacklisted' but with my limited technical abilities there was little hope of completing the project, so I ended up selling the fiberglass hull. Anyway, I'm always been interested in these subs so I'm following his videos to see what I can learn. Someday I hope to check out Tim's Sportsub in person... it's a prime example of the machine! ~ Douglas S. On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 2:35 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Ray, > I pointed him to Psubs, but in the comments under his video, he has just > made contact with the manufacturer. > Great that he has jumped in the deep end. He will learn. > Alan > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 at 5:09 am, Ray Keefer via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Howdy, > > I cringed when I saw this. I can't tell if he is truly ignorant or being a > comedian with his tongue-and-cheek comments. This guy has a huge learning > curve ahead. > > I Bought A PERSONAL SUBMARINE From 1998!! (130+ Feet DEEP) > > > I Bought A PERSONAL SUBMARINE From 1998!! (130+ Feet DEEP) > > > > > > > Regards, > Ray > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Aug 31 21:18:47 2022 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 18:18:47 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] YouTube guy bought a 1998 Sport Sub In-Reply-To: References: <585398338.659087.1661620077154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <585398338.659087.1661620077154@mail.yahoo.com> <961153298.674030.1661625311132@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <025901d8bda0$c9577a40$5c066ec0$@telus.net> This YouTube guy is really a puzzle. I sent him an email about our group and about SportSubs without response from him. He has some friends providing technical support, but it is a learning curve for him that won't be too steep, and he certainly plays up the drama. Playing up the drama seems to be his main reason for getting the sub. Ambient subs are pretty benign and fairly safe for trained divers. He should do alright, especially with the click count. When I first bought my sub in late 2011 (built under license by another firm) Ron Leonard of IVC was very helpful with advice. However, he was not interested in providing any support, not even a copy of the maintenance manual. I met up with him to buy some SportSub t-shirts, but that's it. Last communications that I had was May 2019 to buy a few newer t-shirts for my wife and me to wear while at the Dive & Travel Show in Long Beach, CA. For some reason Ron was just not able to make it happen. It looks to me that IVC Corp, the original SportSub manufacturer, is no longer in business and now operates as Sport Sub under Area58 Innovations Inc. (Rob Shantz, CEO). They have a newer facility in Coquitlam, BC (near Vancouver) where they are manufacturing an updated SportSub, and perhaps some other models. Ron was there back in 2019, but I have not tried to contact Ron or Rob since. The web site "sportsub.com" and the FaceBook group "SportSub Personal Submarines" appear to be going concerns. The latest post on the FaceBook group was Aug17/22. I will try contacting them, maybe even drop by. If you are interested I will let you know how it goes. I know, SportSubs are not K-350's, but they do have their own merits. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 2:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] YouTube guy bought a 1998 Sport Sub The saga continues! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdaNGLcIous While the guy's attitude is perhaps closer to a cavalier showman than a cautious psub operator, I'm genuinely interested in his videos. Several years ago I purchased a Sportsub hull (directly from IVC I might add) with the aim of building a Sportsub piecemeal in the garage. But pretty soon I lost all support from the manufacturer. They first told me they didn't have the parts in stock, but when I offered to pay upfront and wait for the parts on backorder, they quit returning my emails / phone calls altogether. I was very disappointed that I was 'blacklisted' but with my limited technical abilities there was little hope of completing the project, so I ended up selling the fiberglass hull. Anyway, I'm always been interested in these subs so I'm following his videos to see what I can learn. Someday I hope to check out Tim's Sportsub in person... it's a prime example of the machine! ~ Douglas S. On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 2:35 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Thanks Ray, I pointed him to Psubs, but in the comments under his video, he has just made contact with the manufacturer. Great that he has jumped in the deep end. He will learn. Alan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 at 5:09 am, Ray Keefer via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Howdy, I cringed when I saw this. 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