From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 1 14:36:36 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james hughes via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 18:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: References: <2118303278.887116.1627508444030@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1248929574.1123063.1627842996664@mail.yahoo.com> Good morning All,I received a call less than an hour ago from Terry (Brian's wife) letting me know that he passed away at about 2:00 PM yesterday afternoon.? He went peacefully to be with the Lord.? Brian told his wife to just keep his sub in storage but she doesn't see any sense in that.? She said that I could have anything off of it I wanted or could use for my sub.? My sub is almost finished but I'm sure that some of you out there can use some things like high pressure valves, plexiglass portholes (that have been annealed), scuba tanks (he had 10 of them!) and LOTS of lead.? I tried talking to Terry about the dollar value of some of those things but she didn't seem interested in the money she could get for them (I don't think she is looking long term right now).? I don't feel comfortable about just helping myself so I will be insisting on giving her some cash for the batteries from his boat (if I get them) and some of his books (I know his library had some good titles because I gave him some).? I'll have more information on what's available after I call her again in 2 weeks or so and will let all of you know at that time. God bless, Jim On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 08:16:22 AM PDT, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian, when my wife was diagnosed, we both thought the world had stopped and we shut down with all the fears and questions. But after 4 years I can tell you this, get the best medical treatment you can get and surround yourself with a team of experts to help you walk through this journey. Most importantly live each day to its fullest, surround yourself with those who make you the happiest and set aside those whom dont. There will be darker days, but move through them and find the? light in the next. I wish you well my friend.David Colombo On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 3:33 PM Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian!?I am with Jon!You are awesome and your boat is awesome.? So sorry to hear of your diagnosis.?Please reach out if there is anything I can do to help!Best personal regards,?Greg? On Jul 28, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Brian, I'm sorry to hear this news.? You've done a lot of good work on your dream sub but we understand the importance of concentrating on fighting the cancer right now.? Fight it hard with all you can muster.? You are a faithful psubber, from the early days, and part of our psubbing family now.? Keep us informed and let us know how we can help. Jon On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 10:03:53 PM EDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All, Regret to inform everybody that I have cancer and that will need get rid of my sub some how, with out endangering someone. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 1 15:29:43 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: <1248929574.1123063.1627842996664@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2118303278.887116.1627508444030@mail.yahoo.com> <1248929574.1123063.1627842996664@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1687051131.1136162.1627846183755@mail.yahoo.com> Tough old boy, our Brian. Gotta love that about him, too.Vance -----Original Message----- From: james hughes via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2021 2:36 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer Good morning All,I received a call less than an hour ago from Terry (Brian's wife) letting me know that he passed away at about 2:00 PM yesterday afternoon.? He went peacefully to be with the Lord.? Brian told his wife to just keep his sub in storage but she doesn't see any sense in that.? She said that I could have anything off of it I wanted or could use for my sub.? My sub is almost finished but I'm sure that some of you out there can use some things like high pressure valves, plexiglass portholes (that have been annealed), scuba tanks (he had 10 of them!) and LOTS of lead.? I tried talking to Terry about the dollar value of some of those things but she didn't seem interested in the money she could get for them (I don't think she is looking long term right now).? I don't feel comfortable about just helping myself so I will be insisting on giving her some cash for the batteries from his boat (if I get them) and some of his books (I know his library had some good titles because I gave him some).? I'll have more information on what's available after I call her again in 2 weeks or so and will let all of you know at that time. God bless, Jim On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 08:16:22 AM PDT, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian, when my wife was diagnosed, we both thought the world had stopped and we shut down with all the fears and questions. But after 4 years I can tell you this, get the best medical treatment you can get and surround yourself with a team of experts to help you walk through this journey. Most importantly live each day to its fullest, surround yourself with those who make you the happiest and set aside those whom dont. There will be darker days, but move through them and find the? light in the next. I wish you well my friend.David Colombo On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 3:33 PM Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian!?I am with Jon!You are awesome and your boat is awesome.? So sorry to hear of your diagnosis.?Please reach out if there is anything I can do to help!Best personal regards,?Greg? On Jul 28, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Brian, I'm sorry to hear this news.? You've done a lot of good work on your dream sub but we understand the importance of concentrating on fighting the cancer right now.? Fight it hard with all you can muster.? You are a faithful psubber, from the early days, and part of our psubbing family now.? Keep us informed and let us know how we can help. Jon On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 10:03:53 PM EDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All, Regret to inform everybody that I have cancer and that will need get rid of my sub some how, with out endangering someone. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 1 16:11:22 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 20:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: <1248929574.1123063.1627842996664@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2118303278.887116.1627508444030@mail.yahoo.com> <1248929574.1123063.1627842996664@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1689288493.1233824.1627848682116@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for passing on this sad news Jim.?My condolences to Terry and family.?I am in New Zealand, but met Brian at conferences & communicated with him via email since the beginning of his project, & over the last 4 years privately on messenger.?He was so close to doing an open water dive in that sub. In fact one of his tests he went under in it so we have to say he successfully dived a sub.?Will miss his email contributions and innovative ideas.?Regards Alan James? On Monday, August 2, 2021, 06:38:46 AM GMT+12, james hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good morning All,I received a call less than an hour ago from Terry (Brian's wife) letting me know that he passed away at about 2:00 PM yesterday afternoon.? He went peacefully to be with the Lord.? Brian told his wife to just keep his sub in storage but she doesn't see any sense in that.? She said that I could have anything off of it I wanted or could use for my sub.? My sub is almost finished but I'm sure that some of you out there can use some things like high pressure valves, plexiglass portholes (that have been annealed), scuba tanks (he had 10 of them!) and LOTS of lead.? I tried talking to Terry about the dollar value of some of those things but she didn't seem interested in the money she could get for them (I don't think she is looking long term right now).? I don't feel comfortable about just helping myself so I will be insisting on giving her some cash for the batteries from his boat (if I get them) and some of his books (I know his library had some good titles because I gave him some).? I'll have more information on what's available after I call her again in 2 weeks or so and will let all of you know at that time. God bless, Jim On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 08:16:22 AM PDT, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian, when my wife was diagnosed, we both thought the world had stopped and we shut down with all the fears and questions. But after 4 years I can tell you this, get the best medical treatment you can get and surround yourself with a team of experts to help you walk through this journey. Most importantly live each day to its fullest, surround yourself with those who make you the happiest and set aside those whom dont. There will be darker days, but move through them and find the? light in the next. I wish you well my friend.David Colombo On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 3:33 PM Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian!?I am with Jon!You are awesome and your boat is awesome.? So sorry to hear of your diagnosis.?Please reach out if there is anything I can do to help!Best personal regards,?Greg? On Jul 28, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Brian, I'm sorry to hear this news.? You've done a lot of good work on your dream sub but we understand the importance of concentrating on fighting the cancer right now.? Fight it hard with all you can muster.? You are a faithful psubber, from the early days, and part of our psubbing family now.? Keep us informed and let us know how we can help. Jon On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 10:03:53 PM EDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All, Regret to inform everybody that I have cancer and that will need get rid of my sub some how, with out endangering someone. If anyone is interested please contact me: Brian Cox701 Park roadOjai, CA,? 93023 Brian_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hugh. -----Original Message----- From: Personal_Submersibles On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, 2 August 2021 7:03 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 98, Issue 2 Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to personal_submersibles at psubs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: cancer (via Personal_Submersibles) 2. Re: cancer (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:29:43 +0000 (UTC) From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer Message-ID: <1687051131.1136162.1627846183755 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Tough old boy, our Brian. Gotta love that about him, too.Vance -----Original Message----- From: james hughes via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2021 2:36 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer Good morning All,I received a call less than an hour ago from Terry (Brian's wife) letting me know that he passed away at about 2:00 PM yesterday afternoon.? He went peacefully to be with the Lord.? Brian told his wife to just keep his sub in storage but she doesn't see any sense in that.? She said that I could have anything off of it I wanted or could use for my sub.? My sub is almost finished but I'm sure that some of you out there can use some things like high pressure valves, plexiglass portholes (that have been annealed), scuba tanks (he had 10 of them!) and LOTS of lead.? I tried talking to Terry about the dollar value of some of those things but she didn't seem interested in the money she could get for them (I don't think she is looking long term right now).? I don't feel comfortable about just helping myself so I will be insisting on giving her some cash for the batteries from his boat (if I get them) and some of his books (I know his library had some good titles because I gave him some).? I'll have more information on what's available after I call her again in 2 weeks or so and will let all of you know at that time. God bless, Jim On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 08:16:22 AM PDT, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian, when my wife was diagnosed, we both thought the world had stopped and we shut down with all the fears and questions. But after 4 years I can tell you this, get the best medical treatment you can get and surround yourself with a team of experts to help you walk through this journey. Most importantly live each day to its fullest, surround yourself with those who make you the happiest and set aside those whom dont. There will be darker days, but move through them and find the? light in the next. I wish you well my friend.David Colombo On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 3:33 PM Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian!?I am with Jon!You are awesome and your boat is awesome.? So sorry to hear of your diagnosis.?Please reach out if there is anything I can do to help!Best personal regards,?Greg? On Jul 28, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Brian, I'm sorry to hear this news.? You've done a lot of good work on your dream sub but we understand the importance of concentrating on fighting the cancer right now.? Fight it hard with all you can muster.? You are a faithful psubber, from the early days, and part of our psubbing family now.? Keep us informed and let us know how we can help. Jon On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 10:03:53 PM EDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All, Regret to inform everybody that I have cancer and that will need get rid of my sub some how, with out endangering someone. 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URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 20:11:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: james hughes via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer Message-ID: <1689288493.1233824.1627848682116 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks for passing on this sad news Jim.?My condolences to Terry and family.?I am in New Zealand, but met Brian at conferences & communicated with him via email since the beginning of his project, & over the last 4 years privately on messenger.?He was so close to doing an open water dive in that sub. In fact one of his tests he went under in it so we have to say he successfully dived a sub.?Will miss his email contributions and innovative ideas.?Regards Alan James? On Monday, August 2, 2021, 06:38:46 AM GMT+12, james hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good morning All,I received a call less than an hour ago from Terry (Brian's wife) letting me know that he passed away at about 2:00 PM yesterday afternoon.? He went peacefully to be with the Lord.? Brian told his wife to just keep his sub in storage but she doesn't see any sense in that.? She said that I could have anything off of it I wanted or could use for my sub.? My sub is almost finished but I'm sure that some of you out there can use some things like high pressure valves, plexiglass portholes (that have been annealed), scuba tanks (he had 10 of them!) and LOTS of lead.? I tried talking to Terry about the dollar value of some of those things but she didn't seem interested in the money she could get for them (I don't think she is looking long term right now).? I don't feel comfortable about just helping myself so I will be insisting on giving her some cash for the batteries from his boat (if I get them) and some of his books (I know his library had some good titles because I gave him some).? I'll have more information on what's available after I call her again in 2 weeks or so and will let all of you know at that time. God bless, Jim On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 08:16:22 AM PDT, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian, when my wife was diagnosed, we both thought the world had stopped and we shut down with all the fears and questions. But after 4 years I can tell you this, get the best medical treatment you can get and surround yourself with a team of experts to help you walk through this journey. Most importantly live each day to its fullest, surround yourself with those who make you the happiest and set aside those whom dont. There will be darker days, but move through them and find the? light in the next. I wish you well my friend.David Colombo On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 3:33 PM Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian!?I am with Jon!You are awesome and your boat is awesome.? So sorry to hear of your diagnosis.?Please reach out if there is anything I can do to help!Best personal regards,?Greg? On Jul 28, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Brian, I'm sorry to hear this news.? You've done a lot of good work on your dream sub but we understand the importance of concentrating on fighting the cancer right now.? Fight it hard with all you can muster.? You are a faithful psubber, from the early days, and part of our psubbing family now.? Keep us informed and let us know how we can help. Jon On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 10:03:53 PM EDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All, Regret to inform everybody that I have cancer and that will need get rid of my sub some how, with out endangering someone. 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URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ------------------------------ End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 98, Issue 2 **************************************************** From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 1 18:45:05 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 12:45:05 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: <1689288493.1233824.1627848682116@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2118303278.887116.1627508444030@mail.yahoo.com> <1248929574.1123063.1627842996664@mail.yahoo.com> <1689288493.1233824.1627848682116@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My condolences to Terry and family as well. I guess the positive take away from this is that he was doing something that brought him joy till the end. Aloha Rick On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 10:12 AM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks for passing on this sad news Jim. > My condolences to Terry and family. > I am in New Zealand, but met Brian at conferences & communicated with him > via email since the beginning of his project, & over the last 4 years > privately on messenger. > He was so close to doing an open water dive in that sub. In fact one of > his tests he went under in it so we have to say he successfully dived a > sub. > Will miss his email contributions and innovative ideas. > Regards Alan James > > > On Monday, August 2, 2021, 06:38:46 AM GMT+12, james hughes via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Good morning All, > I received a call less than an hour ago from Terry (Brian's wife) letting > me know that he passed away at about 2:00 PM yesterday afternoon. He went > peacefully to be with the Lord. > > Brian told his wife to just keep his sub in storage but she doesn't see > any sense in that. She said that I could have anything off of it I wanted > or could use for my sub. My sub is almost finished but I'm sure that some > of you out there can use some things like high pressure valves, plexiglass > portholes (that have been annealed), scuba tanks (he had 10 of them!) and > LOTS of lead. I tried talking to Terry about the dollar value of some of > those things but she didn't seem interested in the money she could get for > them (I don't think she is looking long term right now). I don't feel > comfortable about just helping myself so I will be insisting on giving her > some cash for the batteries from his boat (if I get them) and some of his > books (I know his library had some good titles because I gave him some). > I'll have more information on what's available after I call her again in 2 > weeks or so and will let all of you know at that time. > > God bless, Jim > > On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 08:16:22 AM PDT, David Colombo via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Brian, when my wife was diagnosed, we both thought the world had stopped > and we shut down with all the fears and questions. But after 4 years I can > tell you this, get the best medical treatment you can get and surround > yourself with a team of experts to help you walk through this journey. Most > importantly live each day to its fullest, surround yourself with those who > make you the happiest and set aside those whom dont. There will be darker > days, but move through them and find the light in the next. I wish you > well my friend. > David Colombo > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 3:33 PM Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Brian! > I am with Jon! > You are awesome and your boat is awesome. So sorry to hear of your > diagnosis. > Please reach out if there is anything I can do to help! > Best personal regards, > Greg > > On Jul 28, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > ? > Brian, I'm sorry to hear this news. You've done a lot of good work on > your dream sub but we understand the importance of concentrating on > fighting the cancer right now. Fight it hard with all you can muster. You > are a faithful psubber, from the early days, and part of our psubbing > family now. Keep us informed and let us know how we can help. > > Jon > > > On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 10:03:53 PM EDT, Brian Cox via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hi All, Regret to inform everybody that I have cancer and that will need > get rid of my sub some how, with out endangering someone. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 1 18:52:25 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 18:52:25 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: <1248929574.1123063.1627842996664@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2118303278.887116.1627508444030@mail.yahoo.com> <1248929574.1123063.1627842996664@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/1/2021 2:36 PM, james hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Good morning All, > I received a call less than an hour ago from Terry (Brian's wife) > letting me know that he passed away at about 2:00 PM yesterday > afternoon.? He went peacefully to be with the Lord. I'm sorry to hear this.? I never knew Brian, and I don't think we exchanged any e-mail, but I enjoyed reading about his project.? I feel a personal loss, as I can see many of us do. My condolences to his wife and family. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 1 19:05:11 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:05:11 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: References: <2118303278.887116.1627508444030@mail.yahoo.com> <1248929574.1123063.1627842996664@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wow, I had no idea he was that close when he let us all know. I remember Brian showing up at a PSUBS convention on a bicycle. He had a way of doing things with absolutely minimal resources, because he made his living keeping bees, which doesn't pay much but certifies someone is a good person in my book. I'll miss him. Alec On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 6:57 PM Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > On 8/1/2021 2:36 PM, james hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Good morning All, > I received a call less than an hour ago from Terry (Brian's wife) letting > me know that he passed away at about 2:00 PM yesterday afternoon. He went > peacefully to be with the Lord. > > > I'm sorry to hear this. I never knew Brian, and I don't think we > exchanged any e-mail, but I enjoyed reading about his project. I feel a > personal loss, as I can see many of us do. > > My condolences to his wife and family. > > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 1 21:12:51 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 01:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: <1248929574.1123063.1627842996664@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2118303278.887116.1627508444030@mail.yahoo.com> <1248929574.1123063.1627842996664@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1163205443.2157303.1627866771342@mail.yahoo.com> I'm deeply saddened to hear this news and a bit shocked that we lost him so quickly.? Brian was a very nice guy and also very supportive of our group.? I think his first drawings of submarine Esmae appeared on the website around 2000, maybe even earlier, so it was a decades old dream of his which he turned into reality.? My condolences to his wife and family who are navigating a difficult path at this time.? Here I am, LordIs it I, Lord?I have heard you calling in the nightI will go, LordIf you lead meI will hold your people in my heart On Sunday, August 1, 2021, 02:38:46 PM EDT, james hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good morning All,I received a call less than an hour ago from Terry (Brian's wife) letting me know that he passed away at about 2:00 PM yesterday afternoon.? He went peacefully to be with the Lord.? Brian told his wife to just keep his sub in storage but she doesn't see any sense in that.? She said that I could have anything off of it I wanted or could use for my sub.? My sub is almost finished but I'm sure that some of you out there can use some things like high pressure valves, plexiglass portholes (that have been annealed), scuba tanks (he had 10 of them!) and LOTS of lead.? I tried talking to Terry about the dollar value of some of those things but she didn't seem interested in the money she could get for them (I don't think she is looking long term right now).? I don't feel comfortable about just helping myself so I will be insisting on giving her some cash for the batteries from his boat (if I get them) and some of his books (I know his library had some good titles because I gave him some).? I'll have more information on what's available after I call her again in 2 weeks or so and will let all of you know at that time. God bless, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Aug 1 21:38:40 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 18:38:40 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: <20210727190215.8BAB17D3@m0117566.ppops.net> References: <20210727190215.8BAB17D3@m0117566.ppops.net> Message-ID: So very sorry to hear this, Brian. We hope that you are able to beat this. We hope that you can benefit from the current advances in treatment. On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 7:02 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi All, Regret to inform everybody that I have cancer and that will need > get rid of my sub some how, with out endangering someone. If anyone is > interested please contact me: > > Brian Cox > 701 Park road > Ojai, CA, 93023 > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 2 00:32:05 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 21:32:05 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: References: <20210727190215.8BAB17D3@m0117566.ppops.net> Message-ID: It is with sadness to hear this news about one of the psubs crew. I always enjoyed talking with him whether it was about sub projects or his bees. He will be missed. As a member of the psub community should his wife decide to part out his vessel if not sold in whole, it would be an honor to support his memory and his dream of the build by purchasing components should they be available so that his legacy can continue. David On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 6:42 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > So very sorry to hear this, Brian. We hope that you are able to beat this. > We hope that you can benefit from the current advances in treatment. > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 7:02 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hi All, Regret to inform everybody that I have cancer and that will need >> get rid of my sub some how, with out endangering someone. If anyone is >> interested please contact me: >> >> Brian Cox >> 701 Park road >> Ojai, CA, 93023 >> >> Brian >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 2 01:46:52 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 00:46:52 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: References: <20210727190215.8BAB17D3@m0117566.ppops.net> Message-ID: I?m shocked and saddened to learn of Brian?s untimely passing. It would seem apparent that when Brian made his last post here on the list he was either unaware of the severity of his illness or he intentionally omitted the advanced stage of his illness in an effort to spare us the emotional turmoil of his grim prognosis. Either way, his departure leaves an irreparable hole in the fabric of our tight-knit community. We build submersibles with the goal of exploring the unknown below us and now our friend Brian explores the unknown beyond us. God speed Brian... gone but never forgotten. ~ Douglas Suhr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That night as I was getting ready to make the announcement I saw that he had done it himself.?? God bless, Jim On Sunday, August 1, 2021, 10:48:20 PM PDT, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I?m shocked and saddened to learn of Brian?s untimely passing. It would seem apparent that when Brian made his last post here on the list he was either unaware of the severity of his illness or he intentionally omitted the advanced stage of his illness in an effort to spare us the emotional turmoil of his grim prognosis. Either way, his departure leaves an irreparable hole in the fabric of our tight-knit community. We build submersibles with the goal of exploring the unknown below us and now our friend Brian explores the unknown beyond us. 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And thank you, Jim, for being there when he needed you.Vance -----Original Message----- From: james hughes via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2021 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer Hi Gang,Just to let you know that I'll be printing this email string and sharing it with Brian's wife and daughters.? I'm sure they will be touched by the heartfelt loss to our community and the condolences expressed to his family. Also, Brian knew of his cancer diagnosis only about 3 months ago.? When he opened up to me about it a month ago he was still seeking any possible treatment that could help (including Traditional Chinese Medicine).? It was just this past week that he could see the end was in sight and asked me in a text to write to all of you.? That night as I was getting ready to make the announcement I saw that he had done it himself.?? God bless, Jim On Sunday, August 1, 2021, 10:48:20 PM PDT, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I?m shocked and saddened to learn of Brian?s untimely passing. It would seem apparent that when Brian made his last post here on the list he was either unaware of the severity of his illness or he intentionally omitted the advanced stage of his illness in an effort to spare us the emotional turmoil of his grim prognosis. Either way, his departure leaves an irreparable hole in the fabric of our tight-knit community. We build submersibles with the goal of exploring the unknown below us and now our friend Brian explores the unknown beyond us. God speed Brian... gone but never forgotten. ~ Douglas Suhr _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 3 12:46:57 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 11:46:57 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: <411774066.1092428.1627929821723@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20210727190215.8BAB17D3@m0117566.ppops.net> <1866749030.1150548.1627926928053@mail.yahoo.com> <411774066.1092428.1627929821723@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Like many of you, I am deeply saddened by Brian?s passing. Although I only met him in person once in Vancouver, we maintained an online friendship that lasted years. He was generous, thoughtful and very kind. My condolences to his family. His participation here will be missed! He grabbed his dream and made it a reality. God speed indeed Brian! > On Aug 2, 2021, at 1:43 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Jim > Brian will be missed. And thank you, Jim, for being there when he needed you. > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: james hughes via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2021 1:55 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer > > Hi Gang, > Just to let you know that I'll be printing this email string and sharing it with Brian's wife and daughters. I'm sure they will be touched by the heartfelt loss to our community and the condolences expressed to his family. > > Also, Brian knew of his cancer diagnosis only about 3 months ago. When he opened up to me about it a month ago he was still seeking any possible treatment that could help (including Traditional Chinese Medicine). It was just this past week that he could see the end was in sight and asked me in a text to write to all of you. That night as I was getting ready to make the announcement I saw that he had done it himself. > > God bless, Jim > On Sunday, August 1, 2021, 10:48:20 PM PDT, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I?m shocked and saddened to learn of Brian?s untimely passing. It would seem apparent that when Brian made his last post here on the list he was either unaware of the severity of his illness or he intentionally omitted the advanced stage of his illness in an effort to spare us the emotional turmoil of his grim prognosis. Either way, his departure leaves an irreparable hole in the fabric of our tight-knit community. We build submersibles with the goal of exploring the unknown below us and now our friend Brian explores the unknown beyond us. 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I also have run new rubber 02 hose that I seperated from an acetylene hose for a burning torch and will have to see if that hose is rated for that pressure. I chose to go that way as I am not a good tube bender. Another scenario I was thinking of doing if the 1st stage keeps pushing more and more is to attach a shop 02 regulator just inside the sub that has both the HP and LP gauges on it and dial down the LP side to put out no more than 50 psi? Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 3 23:45:36 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 23:45:36 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] psi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, Your understanding is correct, but I'm curious about the flow meter. The ones I use are designed to work with medical O2 tanks (although I don't have those tanks in the sub.) Like you, I drop the pressure to 150 over ambient outside the hull. It is a safety measure, to avoid bringing HP oxygen inside. If I were using the flow meters as designed, directly on a tank, they would see variable pressure as the tank empties, so as long as my outside regulator is supplying O2 at a pressure that is within the range of a medical tank, they are happy. What I use are pediatric flow regulators, with a dial to adjust liters per minute. Pediatric ones are good because they have lower scale flow rates, which are well suited for the ranges we need in a sub. Thanks, Alec On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 11:15 PM Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Having a brain fart,,,,,, I am knocking down my HP - 02 on the outside of > the sub with an 02 cleaned 1st stage reg which I understand will bring it > into the sub at around 150 psi + - on the surface. As I understand it, > this 1st stage will always give me around 150 psi over ambient? so is it > safe to assume that at the max operating depth of my K-350, will it be > trying to push in around 320 psi absolute? > > everything tells me that it will but the part that I am having a hard time > with is that the 150 psi over bottom is pushing it into a 14.7 psi scenario > so does that change things up? My flow meter is calibrated for a 50 psi > inlet psi. I also have run new rubber 02 hose that I seperated from an > acetylene hose for a burning torch and will have to see if that hose is > rated for that pressure. > > I chose to go that way as I am not a good tube bender. Another scenario I > was thinking of doing if the 1st stage keeps pushing more and more is to > attach a shop 02 regulator just inside the sub that has both the HP and LP > gauges on it and dial down the LP side to put out no more than 50 psi? > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Aug 4 04:08:14 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 09:08:14 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pro video Message-ID: Drone footage and underwater video. 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My brother is boatman, diver, drone flyer and also professional photographer/editor so got this for free. https://youtu.be/7TP39vDt-6Q _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Aug 4 09:51:26 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 13:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: <411774066.1092428.1627929821723@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20210727190215.8BAB17D3@m0117566.ppops.net> <1866749030.1150548.1627926928053@mail.yahoo.com> <411774066.1092428.1627929821723@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <281060006.2316244.1628085086451@mail.yahoo.com> FYI, flowers were sent to Brian's family from the organization.? See photo references below. 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My brother is boatman, diver, drone > flyer and also professional photographer/editor so got this for free. > > https://youtu.be/7TP39vDt-6Q > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Aug 4 11:01:55 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 15:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pro video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1310439727.1674198.1628089315825@mail.yahoo.com> Very good stuff all around. Congratulations. Again.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2021 10:28 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pro video I loved that - both the film and sub! On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 4:08 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Drone footage and underwater video.? My brother is boatman, diver, drone flyer and also professional photographer/editor so got this for free. https://youtu.be/7TP39vDt-6Q _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon On Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 01:41:45 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Jon, things like that for someone going through this really make a differenceRick On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 4:09 AM via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thank you for doing that, Jon.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2021 9:51 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer FYI, flowers were sent to Brian's family from the organization.? See photo references below. 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I have not been able to find Brian's > obituary, if anyone does please forward it. > > Jon > > > On Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 01:41:45 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Thanks Jon, things like that for someone going through this really make a > difference > Rick > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 4:09 AM via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thank you for doing that, Jon. > Vance > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2021 9:51 am > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer > > FYI, flowers were sent to Brian's family from the organization. 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He's been gone for less than a week and I miss him already. God bless, Jim On Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 12:51:41 PM PDT, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Jon, I know it will be appreciated. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 11:22 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Important we take care of our own.? I have not been able to find Brian's obituary, if anyone does please forward it. Jon On Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 01:41:45 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Jon, things like that for someone going through this really make a differenceRick On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 4:09 AM via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thank you for doing that, Jon.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2021 9:51 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer FYI, flowers were sent to Brian's family from the organization.? See photo references below. 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On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 09:01:12 AM EDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,I just want to update my findings with my changes to E-3000. ?I am running the sub on a single Lithium 100ah battery with intentions of adding a second. ?I may rethink that after my test dive. ?The battery performed so well, I may not need the second, or at least not a 100ah.For me it is not the money, but rater the weight. ?I ran the sub very hard and travelled pretty far to the dive spot. ?I started with 13.8 volts and when I returned home and hooked up the charger ?it was at 13.2 volts. ?The charge took no time at all either. ?I am diving a 60 foot deep lake in a few days and will really run the hell out of it and see how it stands up. ?Hank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Aug 5 13:22:39 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 17:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery performance In-Reply-To: <1084317988.362466.1628181558382@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1195239113.266686.1628168358054.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1195239113.266686.1628168358054@mail.yahoo.com> <1084317988.362466.1628181558382@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <290348194.365845.1628184159496@mail.yahoo.com> Jon,I was running 4 small motors pretty much constantly, at full speed.Hank On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 10:39:37 AM MDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: That's good news Hank, please keep us informed of your results.? How many motors are you running off the single battery? Jon? On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 09:01:12 AM EDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,I just want to update my findings with my changes to E-3000. ?I am running the sub on a single Lithium 100ah battery with intentions of adding a second. ?I may rethink that after my test dive. ?The battery performed so well, I may not need the second, or at least not a 100ah.For me it is not the money, but rater the weight. ?I ran the sub very hard and travelled pretty far to the dive spot. ?I started with 13.8 volts and when I returned home and hooked up the charger ?it was at 13.2 volts. ?The charge took no time at all either. ?I am diving a 60 foot deep lake in a few days and will really run the hell out of it and see how it stands up. ?Hank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Aug 5 15:02:55 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 12:02:55 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer In-Reply-To: References: <20210727190215.8BAB17D3@m0117566.ppops.net> <1866749030.1150548.1627926928053@mail.yahoo.com> <411774066.1092428.1627929821723@mail.yahoo.com> <281060006.2316244.1628085086451@mail.yahoo.com> <506236812.1730711.1628086099189@mail.yahoo.com> <1560584045.3292678.1628101312360@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006b01d78a2c$80208d10$8061a730$@telus.net> I am very saddened to hear of Brian's passing (I have just recently returned from two weeks of spotty cell coverage and no Internet). I met Brian during the Bellingham/Vancouver Convention. He was very interested in all the tech talks, and really interested in the systems on my SportSub. He videoed the tour that I gave him in the SportSub and posted it on YouTube. I found his personal submarine designed very unique and innovative, and his participation in discussions most interesting. Brian will be very much missed in the PSub community. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 12:50 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer Thanks Jon, I know it will be appreciated. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 11:22 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Important we take care of our own. I have not been able to find Brian's obituary, if anyone does please forward it. Jon On Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 01:41:45 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Thanks Jon, things like that for someone going through this really make a difference Rick On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 4:09 AM via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Thank you for doing that, Jon. Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2021 9:51 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cancer FYI, flowers were sent to Brian's family from the organization. See photo references below. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Aug 5 20:14:45 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 12:14:45 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] data In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A3D1E96-883F-41A1-BAAB-AED797112D40@yahoo.com> Rick, do you mean cable gland? Are you using blue globe & what size? So it is one positive & negative wire running through the same cable gland & feeding all 6 LEDs! If so what is the combined amp draw. I source a lot of my high powered wire through automotive suppliers, but it is normally separate positive & negative & not both in a single jacket. Alan > On 6/08/2021, at 8:53 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I am having an impossible time finding some wire that will fit through my strain relief gland which will take from .08 to .24 in OD 2 conductor wire rated for outdoor use. I want to use it for my 6 outside LED lights. > Also wanted to know the best stuff to put on the ss threads that my Minn Kota motor will screw onto? > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Aug 5 21:05:43 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 15:05:43 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] data In-Reply-To: <1A3D1E96-883F-41A1-BAAB-AED797112D40@yahoo.com> References: <1A3D1E96-883F-41A1-BAAB-AED797112D40@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan yes cable gland yes, Blue globe made to accept a .08 to .24 OD wire jacket It is two separate conductors stranded wire each separately jacketed for obvious reasons I would like to run 3 LED front lights that are 34 volt DC and are rated at 100 watts each The mid lights and aft light will be on a separate cable going through a different gland. Does that make sense? Also do you or anyone out there have any suggestions on a good thread compound to mate the motors to the ss shaft? Rick On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, > do you mean cable gland? > Are you using blue globe & what size? > So it is one positive & negative wire running through the same cable gland > & feeding all 6 LEDs! > If so what is the combined amp draw. > I source a lot of my high powered wire through automotive suppliers, but > it is > normally separate positive & negative & not both in a single jacket. > Alan > > > On 6/08/2021, at 8:53 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > I am having an impossible time finding some wire that will fit through > my strain relief gland which will take from .08 to .24 in OD 2 conductor > wire rated for outdoor use. I want to use it for my 6 outside LED lights. > > Also wanted to know the best stuff to put on the ss threads that my Minn > Kota motor will screw onto? > > > > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Aug 5 21:32:21 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 13:32:21 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] data In-Reply-To: References: <1A3D1E96-883F-41A1-BAAB-AED797112D40@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, so that's close to 9 Amps for the combined 3 X 100W lights. The item in the screen shot below looks good, unless I am hearing you wrong & you are wanting two wires in the same jacket. Marine chandleries & automotive supplies should have that or similar. Or buy it on line. I had to convert from imperial to metric; which gave me a size range for your blue globe Of 2-6mm. The item below is 3.3mm diameter. Alan > On 6/08/2021, at 1:05 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Alan > yes cable gland > yes, Blue globe made to accept a .08 to .24 OD wire jacket > It is two separate conductors stranded wire each separately jacketed for obvious reasons > I would like to run 3 LED front lights that are 34 volt DC and are rated at 100 watts each > The mid lights and aft light will be on a separate cable going through a different gland. > Does that make sense? > Also do you or anyone out there have any suggestions on a good thread compound to mate the motors to the ss shaft? > > Rick > > >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Rick, >> do you mean cable gland? >> Are you using blue globe & what size? >> So it is one positive & negative wire running through the same cable gland >> & feeding all 6 LEDs! >> If so what is the combined amp draw. >> I source a lot of my high powered wire through automotive suppliers, but it is >> normally separate positive & negative & not both in a single jacket. >> Alan >> >> > On 6/08/2021, at 8:53 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> > >> > I am having an impossible time finding some wire that will fit through my strain relief gland which will take from .08 to .24 in OD 2 conductor wire rated for outdoor use. 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Are they lifePO4 batteries??I have a 48V 40 Ah battery pack I've been running an inflatable on.?They are tricky to monitor while in use and require more than a volt meter.?When you have decided whether you want to increase the pack size or not; it pays to get the right electronics to monitor them.?I have destroyed a number of smaller lithium batteries, probably through storing them fully charged.?Alan On Friday, August 6, 2021, 01:01:11 AM GMT+12, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,I just want to update my findings with my changes to E-3000. ?I am running the sub on a single Lithium 100ah battery with intentions of adding a second. ?I may rethink that after my test dive. ?The battery performed so well, I may not need the second, or at least not a 100ah.For me it is not the money, but rater the weight. ?I ran the sub very hard and travelled pretty far to the dive spot. ?I started with 13.8 volts and when I returned home and hooked up the charger ?it was at 13.2 volts. ?The charge took no time at all either. ?I am diving a 60 foot deep lake in a few days and will really run the hell out of it and see how it stands up. ?Hank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick, do you mean cable gland? Are you using blue globe & what size? So it is one positive & negative wire running through the same cable gland & feeding all 6 LEDs! If so what is the combined amp draw. I source a lot of my high powered wire through automotive suppliers, but it is normally separate positive & negative & not both in a single jacket. Alan > On 6/08/2021, at 8:53 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I am having an impossible time finding some wire that will fit through my strain relief gland which will take from .08 to .24 in OD 2 conductor wire rated for outdoor use. I want to use it for my 6 outside LED lights. > Also wanted to know the best stuff to put on the ss threads that my Minn Kota motor will screw onto? > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or > buy it on line. > I had to convert from imperial to metric; which gave me a size range for > your blue globe > Of 2-6mm. The item below is 3.3mm diameter. > Alan > [image: image1.PNG] > > On 6/08/2021, at 1:05 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Alan > yes cable gland > yes, Blue globe made to accept a .08 to .24 OD wire jacket > It is two separate conductors stranded wire each separately jacketed for > obvious reasons > I would like to run 3 LED front lights that are 34 volt DC and are rated > at 100 watts each > The mid lights and aft light will be on a separate cable going through a > different gland. > Does that make sense? > Also do you or anyone out there have any suggestions on a good thread > compound to mate the motors to the ss shaft? > > Rick > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Rick, >> do you mean cable gland? >> Are you using blue globe & what size? >> So it is one positive & negative wire running through the same cable gland >> & feeding all 6 LEDs! >> If so what is the combined amp draw. >> I source a lot of my high powered wire through automotive suppliers, but >> it is >> normally separate positive & negative & not both in a single jacket. >> Alan >> >> > On 6/08/2021, at 8:53 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> > >> > I am having an impossible time finding some wire that will fit through >> my strain relief gland which will take from .08 to .24 in OD 2 conductor >> wire rated for outdoor use. I want to use it for my 6 outside LED lights. >> > Also wanted to know the best stuff to put on the ss threads that my >> Minn Kota motor will screw onto? >> > >> > Rick >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would be a little scared of letting my sub free fall to the bottom without a substantial lift line due to it possibly hitting a rock on the bottom causing it to lean over a bit and not be able to fill the MBT's or getting snagged on something? Rick On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, what about Lock Tite ? Personally I use JB weld for things like > that. If you have to take it apart some day, then heat does the trick. > Hank > > On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 07:06:04 PM MDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > Alan > yes cable gland > yes, Blue globe made to accept a .08 to .24 OD wire jacket > It is two separate conductors stranded wire each separately jacketed for > obvious reasons > I would like to run 3 LED front lights that are 34 volt DC and are rated > at 100 watts each > The mid lights and aft light will be on a separate cable going through a > different gland. > Does that make sense? > Also do you or anyone out there have any suggestions on a good thread > compound to mate the motors to the ss shaft? > > Rick > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > do you mean cable gland? > Are you using blue globe & what size? > So it is one positive & negative wire running through the same cable gland > & feeding all 6 LEDs! > If so what is the combined amp draw. > I source a lot of my high powered wire through automotive suppliers, but > it is > normally separate positive & negative & not both in a single jacket. > Alan > > > On 6/08/2021, at 8:53 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > I am having an impossible time finding some wire that will fit through > my strain relief gland which will take from .08 to .24 in OD 2 conductor > wire rated for outdoor use. I want to use it for my 6 outside LED lights. > > Also wanted to know the best stuff to put on the ss threads that my Minn > Kota motor will screw onto? > > > > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Aug 6 14:40:19 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 18:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] data In-Reply-To: References: <1A3D1E96-883F-41A1-BAAB-AED797112D40@yahoo.com> <781676704.235526.1628239597787@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1566742375.389773.1628275219543@mail.yahoo.com> Rick, if they are filled with epoxy, you'r not taking it apart anyways, uless you melt out the epoxy.?Don't you have some lift bags? ?You have a good point with those open MBT's. ?You could always hang a 200 lb steel shaft under the sub on a 50 foot rope, thus assuring the sub does not reach the bottom. ?My sub hit something and broke the side panel. ?I think in the future I will hang a weight under the sub.Hank On Friday, August 6, 2021, 11:21:09 AM MDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, I was thinking of that but wanted to be able to unscrew them if needed and would be concerned with using heat due to the epoxy inside of the SS threaded shaft that carries the two conductors?I Loved your video of the test and manned dive recently. Could you do a video of how you trigger the HP air with a rope from the surface? I would be a little scared of letting my sub free fall to the bottom without?a substantial lift line due to it possibly?hitting a rock on the bottom causing it to lean over a bit and not be able to fill the MBT's? or getting snagged on something?? Rick On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick, what about Lock Tite ?? Personally I use ?JB weld for things like that.? If you have to take it apart some day, then heat does the trick.Hank On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 07:06:04 PM MDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan?yes cable glandyes, Blue globe made to accept a? .08 to .24 OD wire jacketIt is two separate?conductors stranded wire each separately?jacketed for obvious reasonsI would like to run 3 LED front lights that are 34 volt DC and are rated at 100 watts eachThe mid lights and aft light will be on a separate?cable going through a different gland.?Does that make sense?Also do you or anyone out there have any suggestions on a good thread compound to mate the motors to the ss shaft?? Rick On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick, do you mean cable gland? Are you using blue globe & what size? So it is one positive & negative wire running through the same cable gland & feeding all 6 LEDs! If so what is the combined amp draw. I source a lot of my high powered wire through automotive suppliers, but it is normally separate positive & negative & not both in a single jacket. Alan > On 6/08/2021, at 8:53 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I am having an impossible time finding some wire that will fit through my strain relief gland which will take from .08 to .24 in OD 2 conductor wire rated for outdoor use. I want to use it for my 6 outside LED lights. > Also wanted to know the best stuff to put on the ss threads that my Minn Kota motor will screw onto? > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Aug 6 15:43:36 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 09:43:36 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] data In-Reply-To: <1566742375.389773.1628275219543@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1A3D1E96-883F-41A1-BAAB-AED797112D40@yahoo.com> <781676704.235526.1628239597787@mail.yahoo.com> <1566742375.389773.1628275219543@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hank, yes the SS shafts are filled with epoxy as was my concern of melting the epoxy at the motor end or the shaft plus I would want to take it apart and re use the shaft if something happened to the housing. What's the temp up at your place in Fahrenheit now? Rick On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 8:41 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, if they are filled with epoxy, you'r not taking it apart anyways, > uless you melt out the epoxy. > Don't you have some lift bags? You have a good point with those open > MBT's. You could always hang a 200 lb steel shaft under the sub on a 50 > foot rope, thus assuring the sub does not reach the bottom. My sub hit > something and broke the side panel. I think in the future I will hang a > weight under the sub. > Hank > > On Friday, August 6, 2021, 11:21:09 AM MDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hank, I was thinking of that but wanted to be able to unscrew them if > needed and would be concerned with using heat due to the epoxy inside of > the SS threaded shaft that carries the two conductors? > I Loved your video of the test and manned dive recently. Could you do a > video of how you trigger the HP air with a rope from the surface? I would > be a little scared of letting my sub free fall to the bottom without a > substantial lift line due to it possibly hitting a rock on the bottom > causing it to lean over a bit and not be able to fill the MBT's or getting > snagged on something? > > Rick > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, what about Lock Tite ? Personally I use JB weld for things like > that. If you have to take it apart some day, then heat does the trick. > Hank > > On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 07:06:04 PM MDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > Alan > yes cable gland > yes, Blue globe made to accept a .08 to .24 OD wire jacket > It is two separate conductors stranded wire each separately jacketed for > obvious reasons > I would like to run 3 LED front lights that are 34 volt DC and are rated > at 100 watts each > The mid lights and aft light will be on a separate cable going through a > different gland. > Does that make sense? > Also do you or anyone out there have any suggestions on a good thread > compound to mate the motors to the ss shaft? > > Rick > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > do you mean cable gland? > Are you using blue globe & what size? > So it is one positive & negative wire running through the same cable gland > & feeding all 6 LEDs! > If so what is the combined amp draw. > I source a lot of my high powered wire through automotive suppliers, but > it is > normally separate positive & negative & not both in a single jacket. > Alan > > > On 6/08/2021, at 8:53 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > I am having an impossible time finding some wire that will fit through > my strain relief gland which will take from .08 to .24 in OD 2 conductor > wire rated for outdoor use. I want to use it for my 6 outside LED lights. > > Also wanted to know the best stuff to put on the ss threads that my Minn > Kota motor will screw onto? > > > > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I bought wire off a marine electronics contractor once when desparate.?Let us know how you get on??Alan On Saturday, August 7, 2021, 05:13:11 AM GMT+12, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan, It doesn't have to be 2 conductors, Just needs to be less than .24 diameter and be able to safely carry the 9 amp load and preferably?be rated for outdoor use. Thanks for the web site tip!? Rick On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 3:33 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,so that's close to 9 Amps for the combined 3 X 100W lights.The item in the screen shot below looks good, unless I am hearing you wrong & you are wanting two wires in the same jacket.Marine chandleries & automotive supplies should have that or similar. Or buy it on line.I had to convert from imperial to metric; which gave me a size range for your blue globeOf 2-6mm. The item below is 3.3mm diameter.Alan On 6/08/2021, at 1:05 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan?yes cable glandyes, Blue globe made to accept a? .08 to .24 OD wire jacketIt is two separate?conductors stranded wire each separately?jacketed for obvious reasonsI would like to run 3 LED front lights that are 34 volt DC and are rated at 100 watts eachThe mid lights and aft light will be on a separate?cable going through a different gland.?Does that make sense?Also do you or anyone out there have any suggestions on a good thread compound to mate the motors to the ss shaft?? Rick On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick, do you mean cable gland? Are you using blue globe & what size? So it is one positive & negative wire running through the same cable gland & feeding all 6 LEDs! If so what is the combined amp draw. I source a lot of my high powered wire through automotive suppliers, but it is normally separate positive & negative & not both in a single jacket. Alan > On 6/08/2021, at 8:53 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I am having an impossible time finding some wire that will fit through my strain relief gland which will take from .08 to .24 in OD 2 conductor wire rated for outdoor use. I want to use it for my 6 outside LED lights. > Also wanted to know the best stuff to put on the ss threads that my Minn Kota motor will screw onto? > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All renewals prior to Jan 1, 2022 will extend from that date, so there is no penalty for renewing earlier if you want to. When renewing, if you can't remember your login information it can be recovered by clicking on the "need assistance" link on the membership sign on page.? If you need assistance send me email at jon.wallace at yahoo.com Jon_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 9 17:21:04 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 09:21:04 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 98, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <024301d78d64$77b90860$672b1920$@gmail.com> Hi Jon, What is my status. 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Re: PSUBS Membership (via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:41:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Membership Message-ID: <468898424.1013664.1628512913394 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This message DOES NOT APPLY to lifetime members. Annual Renewal MembersI have repaired and updated the membership software.? All active accounts as of 2018 (that's most of you) have been extended to Jan 1, 2022.? As of December 1 this year, reminders will be emailed that your account requires renewal.? All renewals prior to Jan 1, 2022 will extend from that date, so there is no penalty for renewing earlier if you want to. When renewing, if you can't remember your login information it can be recovered by clicking on the "need assistance" link on the membership sign on page.? If you need assistance send me email at jon.wallace at yahoo.com Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 13:04:52 +0000 (UTC) From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Membership Message-ID: <540981635.365523.1628514292370 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Which one am I?Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 8:41 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Membership This message DOES NOT APPLY to lifetime members. Annual Renewal MembersI have repaired and updated the membership software.? All active accounts as of 2018 (that's most of you) have been extended to Jan 1, 2022.? As of December 1 this year, reminders will be emailed that your account requires renewal.? All renewals prior to Jan 1, 2022 will extend from that date, so there is no penalty for renewing earlier if you want to. When renewing, if you can't remember your login information it can be recovered by clicking on the "need assistance" link on the membership sign on page.? If you need assistance send me email at jon.wallace at yahoo.com Jon_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 14:16:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Membership Message-ID: <1600474849.1044198.1628518616805 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" You are a lifer, Mr. Bradley.? No escape for you! Jon On Monday, August 9, 2021, 09:06:51 AM EDT, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Which one am I?Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 8:41 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Membership This message DOES NOT APPLY to lifetime members. Annual Renewal MembersI have repaired and updated the membership software.? All active accounts as of 2018 (that's most of you) have been extended to Jan 1, 2022.? As of December 1 this year, reminders will be emailed that your account requires renewal.? All renewals prior to Jan 1, 2022 will extend from that date, so there is no penalty for renewing earlier if you want to. When renewing, if you can't remember your login information it can be recovered by clicking on the "need assistance" link on the membership sign on page.? If you need assistance send me email at jon.wallace at yahoo.com Jon_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 14:42:01 +0000 (UTC) From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Membership Message-ID: <602699217.379911.1628520121058 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Aw shucks. I think.Vance ? ?? -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 10:16 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Membership You are a lifer, Mr. Bradley.? No escape for you! Jon On Monday, August 9, 2021, 09:06:51 AM EDT, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Which one am I?Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 8:41 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Membership This message DOES NOT APPLY to lifetime members. Annual Renewal MembersI have repaired and updated the membership software.? All active accounts as of 2018 (that's most of you) have been extended to Jan 1, 2022.? As of December 1 this year, reminders will be emailed that your account requires renewal.? All renewals prior to Jan 1, 2022 will extend from that date, so there is no penalty for renewing earlier if you want to. 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Al Secor On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 7:42 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Annual - Jan 1, 2022 > > > On Monday, August 9, 2021, 05:22:47 PM EDT, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hi Jon, > What is my status. > Thanks Hugh > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 10 08:25:25 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 12:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 98, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: <024301d78d64$77b90860$672b1920$@gmail.com> <195684731.1291669.1628552469420@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <143495260.1452045.1628598325708@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Al, If you paid $35 annually you're annual.? If you paid $500 by check or $525 by paypal, you are lifetime.? As well, the lifers won't be getting a renewal notice obviously, but everyone else will in December. Best thing to do if you don't know, go to PSUBS -> Membership -> My PSUBS Account and log in.? You can find your status under "My Account".? Direct link is?http://www.psubs.org/members/login/ If you don't remember your login information, there is a link to recover it via the last email address we have on file for you.? If you changed your email address over the last 3-4 years then you'll need to contact me.? Best address is jon.wallace at yahoo.com Jon On Monday, August 9, 2021, 10:41:14 PM EDT, Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, What determines if you are annual or lifetime? Al Secor On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 7:42 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Annual - Jan 1, 2022 On Monday, August 9, 2021, 05:22:47 PM EDT, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Jon, What is my status. Thanks Hugh _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Aug 18 11:00:24 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2021 In-Reply-To: <95220779.1998321.1618406150119@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1016746797.1597590.1613314679462@mail.yahoo.com> <824939720.1668391.1613339912593@mail.yahoo.com> <1334505958.2020282.1613422462533@mail.yahoo.com> <845731306.2690987.1613606983305@mail.yahoo.com> <1842407493.1246192.1614526180257@mail.yahoo.com> <239973090.1371370.1614550821980@mail.yahoo.com> <1649742856.313545.1617985289475@mail.yahoo.com> <575978356.359985.1617991291136@mail.yahoo.com> <888633740.388756.1617993797179@mail.yahoo.com> <464286843.422853.1617999264428@mail.yahoo.com> <95220779.1998321.1618406150119@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1254742732.1830320.1629298824014@mail.yahoo.com> PC2021 Update I am currently waiting on some responses for meeting space in Orlando but expect a decision by weeks end.? Conference rooms in the immediate Orlando area are proving to be expensive and so we may end up in Melbourne because of this, which is on the East coast an hour from Orlando International Airport. A tour of Triton Submarines in Sebastion, FL is confirmed.? Triton is 90 minutes from Orlando, 30 minutes from Melbourne. Confirmed Speakers- Cliff Redus- Gary Boucher- Scott Waters via ZOOM- Jon Wallace Tentative Speakers- James Frankland via ZOOM- Steve McQueen If you are interested in speaking at the convention please contact me at jon.wallace at yahoo.com Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Aug 21 16:16:05 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 10:16:05 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fittings Message-ID: I bought these fittings several years ago and can?t find where I bought them. 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Thursday Oct 14 - Technical Sessions, 9am - 5pm????Double Tree Orlando Airport????5555 Hazeltine National Dr, Orlando, FL 32812 ????(407) 856-0100 Friday Oct 15 - Triton Submarines Tour - 10 am????10055 102nd Terrace????Sebastion, FL? 32958 LOGISTICSAirport - Orlando International Hotel RoomsGroup rate at Double Tree will be $129/night plus tax.? Parking fee has been WAIVED (normally $17/night) so do not pay it.? Hotel has 72 hour cancellation policy.? We will be provided a special contact for room reservations so do not call hotel yet (unless you think you can negotiate a better rate).? This hotel is approximately 4 miles from the airport. Triton Submarines TourTriton is 90 minutes from Orlando.? I am looking into rental of one or more passenger Vans so we can all travel together, however make sure you have a backup plan whether that is driving your own vehicle or hitching a ride with someone else. ZOOM teleconferenceWe will be attempting zoom connections with this convention.? Since it is our first one, no guarantees how it works out. FeesTechnical Sessions????In-Person and Zoom attendance is free to PSUBS members.? All others $35 per person.Triton Submarines? ? Free to all, however Triton may limit the number of visitors.? PSUBS members will have priority. Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our technical presentations will be held inOrlando FL at the DoubleTree Orlando Airport hotel on Oct 14, 2021.? On Oct 15, 2021 we travel to Sebastion FL fora tour of Triton Submarines. PSUBS members attendance is free, except for meals. We have a few more slots open for speakers, so if you have a update or new project that you would like to share with the group please contact me at jon.wallace at yahoo.com Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 30 17:16:58 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 17:16:58 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth tests at Seneca Message-ID: Hi Friends, Steve McQueen and I just depth tested our subs in Seneca Lake, and I thought I'd send a little writeup. But first, many thanks to Cliff Redus and Dan Lance for crewing! We prepared our subs by installing temporary MBT plumbing outside, with valves that could be operated by swimmers. The subs were to be sent down on an anchor line, and would blow tanks an hour later automatically. The "auto-pilot" that blows ballast uses a timer, but will also blow ballast ahead of time if a water detector senses a leak. Both tests were successful, but both were also a little too exciting. In my case, Shackleton developed a 45 degree list during the tow out to the test site. I was pretty certain it was a flooded battery pod, and could see the cabin was dry by looking into the bow dome, so decided to go ahead and send her down because, even though a flooded pod is a lot of extra weight, the pods are sized not to result in negative buoyancy when flooded. That is an ABS rule. The sub did indeed come back up after an hour, with the cabin still dry. Once back on land, we found the source of the battery pod leak had been owner stupidity (surprise!!!) I normally open the pods for charging, but in this instance had thought it unnecessary because the charging was just a really small top-up. Wrong... battery off-gassing had dislodged a pod cap O-ring. On top of that, my pods have over-pressure valves that would have avoided the issue, except that I'd bolted them as an extra security measure to prevent a leak path on the test. After all, I don't think anyone else has put OP valves on their pods so reached the conclusion they weren't necessary. Well, lessons learned. Moving forward, caps will be coming off during any charging, and the OP valves will go back into operation too (e.g. to prevent against heat expansion.) The good news is that the flood does not appear to have affected the batteries, which are AGMs. We dove the sub the next day. All worked perfectly and the battery voltage had not decreased in the slightest. Steve's sub, The Great Escape, had a minor issue involving the temporary MBT plumbing. Steve had plumbed both MBTs together, to a T, and put a ball valve on that. What happened was a siphon effect between the two tanks. Whichever MBT was slightly lower in the water would transfer air to the higher one, from which it would escape. Steve redid the temporary plumbing, putting a separate ball valve on each tank, and the issue was fixed. His test went well, except he was conservative turning the knob on the timer, so the autopilot went off about 20 minutes later than planned - and he probably aged 20 years in those 20 minutes. Seneca Lake is 600 feet deep, and the bottom is very fine silt that's another 600 feet deep and has been deposited since the last ice age. We were concerned about the subs diving into that silt and getting stuck by suction, so we held them off the bottom. One interesting thing is we could see the subs on the boat's fish-finder. Really big fish, at 500 in the first test and 300 feet in the second. Here was our M.O.: 1) Trim out buoyancy at the ramp so the sub will be neutrally buoyant with MBTs flooded. Set the auto-pilot timer, seal the hatch. 2) Tow to test site. 3) Swimmers flood MBTs and make sure to close the valves before the sub disappears. 4) Add some ballast for modest negative buoyancy. Enough to prevent the sub from floating on a thermocline, but not so much you could not pull her up. 5) Let sub down a little, check for leaks by looking through the view ports. We marked the rope with labeled heat shrink, at 50 foot increments. We used a rope that was longer than the depth of the lake. It had a trawl float 20 feet from the sub, to keep it clear from the valve handles, and another float on the end in case we had to let it go. The rope was not tied off on the boat, we just put a turn on a cleat and kept a hand on it. An imploding sub could sink the surface boat. 6) Wait, tracking time on a timer that was set at the same time as the one in the sub. 7) The angle of the line indicates where the sub is. Ensure the surface boat is not directly above when the sub surfaces. If anyone wants to borrow the auto-pilot for a depth test, just let me know. I think we've used it for testing about 4 subs by now. I'll post some photos and video on FB... Best, Alec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 30 17:37:38 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 21:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth tests at Seneca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1796712368.1149646.1630359458472@mail.yahoo.com> Great report thanks Alec.?Glad you survived the battery pod flooding, that could have been expensive.?I know GL had a similar rule to what you are saying ABS has, but it was that any compartment (apart from the pressure Hull) that can flood has to be able to be mitigated by drop weights etc. Can't remember the exact wording.?Good to hear & learn from the fails.Thats a pretty good check list for testing;it should be up on the Psubs site somewhere.?Alan? On Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 09:18:56 AM GMT+12, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Friends, Steve McQueen and I just depth tested our subs in Seneca Lake, and I thought I'd send a little writeup. But first, many thanks to Cliff Redus and Dan Lance for crewing!? We prepared our subs by installing temporary MBT plumbing outside, with valves that could be operated by swimmers. The subs were to be sent down on an anchor line, and would blow tanks an hour later automatically. The "auto-pilot" that blows ballast uses a timer, but will also blow ballast ahead of time if a water detector senses a leak.? Both tests were successful, but both were also a little too exciting.? In my case, Shackleton developed a 45 degree list during the tow out to the test site. I was pretty certain it was a flooded battery pod, and could see the cabin was dry by looking into the bow dome, so decided to go ahead and send her down because, even though a flooded pod is a lot of extra weight, the pods are sized not to result in negative buoyancy when flooded. That is an ABS rule. The sub did indeed come back up after an hour, with the cabin still dry.? Once back on land, we found the source of the battery pod leak had been owner stupidity (surprise!!!) I normally open the pods for charging, but in this instance had thought it unnecessary because the charging was just a really small top-up. Wrong... battery off-gassing had dislodged a pod cap O-ring. On top of that, my pods have over-pressure valves that would have avoided the issue, except that I'd bolted them as an extra security measure to prevent a leak path on the test. After all, I don't think anyone else has put OP valves on their pods so reached the conclusion they weren't necessary. Well, lessons learned. Moving forward, caps will be coming off during any charging, and the OP valves will go back into operation too (e.g. to prevent against heat expansion.) The good news is that the flood does not appear to have affected the batteries, which are AGMs. We dove the sub the next day. All worked perfectly and the battery voltage had not decreased in the slightest. Steve's sub, The Great Escape, had a minor issue involving the temporary MBT plumbing. Steve had plumbed both MBTs together, to a T, and put a ball valve on that. What happened was a siphon effect between the two tanks. Whichever MBT was slightly lower in the water would transfer air to the higher one, from which it would escape. Steve redid the temporary plumbing, putting a separate ball valve on each tank, and the issue was fixed. His test went well, except he was conservative turning the knob on the timer, so the autopilot went off about 20 minutes later than planned - and he probably aged 20 years in those 20 minutes.? Seneca Lake is 600 feet deep, and the bottom is very fine silt that's another 600 feet deep and has been deposited since the last ice age. We were concerned about the subs diving into that silt and getting stuck by suction, so we held them off the bottom. One interesting thing is we could see the subs on the boat's fish-finder. Really big fish, at 500 in the first test and 300 feet in the second.? Here was our M.O.: 1) Trim out buoyancy at the ramp so the sub will be neutrally buoyant with MBTs flooded. Set the auto-pilot timer, seal the hatch.2) Tow to test site.3) Swimmers flood MBTs and make sure to close the valves before the sub disappears.4) Add some ballast for modest negative buoyancy. Enough to prevent the sub from floating on a thermocline, but not so much you could not pull her up.5) Let sub down a little, check for leaks by looking through the view ports. We marked the rope with labeled heat shrink, at 50 foot increments. We used a rope that was longer than the depth of the lake. It had a trawl float 20 feet from the sub, to keep it clear from the valve handles, and another float on the end in case we had to let it go. The rope was not tied off on the boat, we just put a turn on a cleat and kept a hand on it. An imploding sub could sink the surface boat.?6) Wait, tracking time on a timer that was set at the same time as the one in the sub.7) The angle of the line indicates where the sub is. Ensure the surface boat is not directly above when the sub surfaces. If anyone wants to borrow the auto-pilot for a depth test, just let me know. I think we've used it for testing about 4 subs by now.? I'll post some photos and video on FB... Best, Alec_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Aug 30 19:16:17 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 19:16:17 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth tests at Seneca In-Reply-To: <1796712368.1149646.1630359458472@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1796712368.1149646.1630359458472@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Another fun thing was that Cliff got to take a dive in Shackleton. Maybe he can give us a review, a la Road and Track or such! :) On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 5:38 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Great report thanks Alec. > Glad you survived the battery pod flooding, that could have been > expensive. > I know GL had a similar rule to what you are saying ABS has, but it was > that any compartment (apart from the pressure Hull) that can flood has to > be able to be mitigated by drop weights etc. Can't remember the exact > wording. > Good to hear & learn from the fails. > Thats a pretty good check list for testing; > it should be up on the Psubs site somewhere. > Alan > > On Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 09:18:56 AM GMT+12, Alec Smyth via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hi Friends, > > Steve McQueen and I just depth tested our subs in Seneca Lake, and I > thought I'd send a little writeup. But first, many thanks to Cliff Redus > and Dan Lance for crewing! > > We prepared our subs by installing temporary MBT plumbing outside, with > valves that could be operated by swimmers. The subs were to be sent down on > an anchor line, and would blow tanks an hour later automatically. The > "auto-pilot" that blows ballast uses a timer, but will also blow ballast > ahead of time if a water detector senses a leak. > > Both tests were successful, but both were also a little too exciting. > > In my case, Shackleton developed a 45 degree list during the tow out to > the test site. I was pretty certain it was a flooded battery pod, and could > see the cabin was dry by looking into the bow dome, so decided to go ahead > and send her down because, even though a flooded pod is a lot of extra > weight, the pods are sized not to result in negative buoyancy when flooded. > That is an ABS rule. The sub did indeed come back up after an hour, with > the cabin still dry. > > Once back on land, we found the source of the battery pod leak had been > owner stupidity (surprise!!!) I normally open the pods for charging, but in > this instance had thought it unnecessary because the charging was just a > really small top-up. Wrong... battery off-gassing had dislodged a pod cap > O-ring. On top of that, my pods have over-pressure valves that would have > avoided the issue, except that I'd bolted them as an extra security measure > to prevent a leak path on the test. After all, I don't think anyone else > has put OP valves on their pods so reached the conclusion they weren't > necessary. Well, lessons learned. Moving forward, caps will be coming off > during any charging, and the OP valves will go back into operation too > (e.g. to prevent against heat expansion.) The good news is that the flood > does not appear to have affected the batteries, which are AGMs. We dove the > sub the next day. All worked perfectly and the battery voltage had not > decreased in the slightest. > > Steve's sub, The Great Escape, had a minor issue involving the temporary > MBT plumbing. Steve had plumbed both MBTs together, to a T, and put a ball > valve on that. What happened was a siphon effect between the two tanks. > Whichever MBT was slightly lower in the water would transfer air to the > higher one, from which it would escape. Steve redid the temporary plumbing, > putting a separate ball valve on each tank, and the issue was fixed. His > test went well, except he was conservative turning the knob on the timer, > so the autopilot went off about 20 minutes later than planned - and he > probably aged 20 years in those 20 minutes. > > Seneca Lake is 600 feet deep, and the bottom is very fine silt that's > another 600 feet deep and has been deposited since the last ice age. We > were concerned about the subs diving into that silt and getting stuck by > suction, so we held them off the bottom. One interesting thing is we could > see the subs on the boat's fish-finder. Really big fish, at 500 in the > first test and 300 feet in the second. > > Here was our M.O.: > > 1) Trim out buoyancy at the ramp so the sub will be neutrally buoyant with > MBTs flooded. Set the auto-pilot timer, seal the hatch. > 2) Tow to test site. > 3) Swimmers flood MBTs and make sure to close the valves before the sub > disappears. > 4) Add some ballast for modest negative buoyancy. Enough to prevent the > sub from floating on a thermocline, but not so much you could not pull her > up. > 5) Let sub down a little, check for leaks by looking through the view > ports. We marked the rope with labeled heat shrink, at 50 foot increments. > We used a rope that was longer than the depth of the lake. It had a trawl > float 20 feet from the sub, to keep it clear from the valve handles, and > another float on the end in case we had to let it go. The rope was not tied > off on the boat, we just put a turn on a cleat and kept a hand on it. An > imploding sub could sink the surface boat. > 6) Wait, tracking time on a timer that was set at the same time as the one > in the sub. > 7) The angle of the line indicates where the sub is. Ensure the surface > boat is not directly above when the sub surfaces. > > If anyone wants to borrow the auto-pilot for a depth test, just let me > know. I think we've used it for testing about 4 subs by now. > > I'll post some photos and video on FB... > > > Best, > Alec > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 31 10:23:19 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 15:23:19 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth tests at Seneca In-Reply-To: References: <1796712368.1149646.1630359458472@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alec Saw some pics on facebook. Looks like a great test day, even with the flooded pod. Glad it all worked out. On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 00:17, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Another fun thing was that Cliff got to take a dive in Shackleton. Maybe > he can give us a review, a la Road and Track or such! > > :) > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 5:38 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Great report thanks Alec. >> Glad you survived the battery pod flooding, that could have been >> expensive. >> I know GL had a similar rule to what you are saying ABS has, but it was >> that any compartment (apart from the pressure Hull) that can flood has to >> be able to be mitigated by drop weights etc. Can't remember the exact >> wording. >> Good to hear & learn from the fails. >> Thats a pretty good check list for testing; >> it should be up on the Psubs site somewhere. >> Alan >> >> On Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 09:18:56 AM GMT+12, Alec Smyth via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Hi Friends, >> >> Steve McQueen and I just depth tested our subs in Seneca Lake, and I >> thought I'd send a little writeup. But first, many thanks to Cliff Redus >> and Dan Lance for crewing! >> >> We prepared our subs by installing temporary MBT plumbing outside, with >> valves that could be operated by swimmers. The subs were to be sent down on >> an anchor line, and would blow tanks an hour later automatically. The >> "auto-pilot" that blows ballast uses a timer, but will also blow ballast >> ahead of time if a water detector senses a leak. >> >> Both tests were successful, but both were also a little too exciting. >> >> In my case, Shackleton developed a 45 degree list during the tow out to >> the test site. I was pretty certain it was a flooded battery pod, and could >> see the cabin was dry by looking into the bow dome, so decided to go ahead >> and send her down because, even though a flooded pod is a lot of extra >> weight, the pods are sized not to result in negative buoyancy when flooded. >> That is an ABS rule. The sub did indeed come back up after an hour, with >> the cabin still dry. >> >> Once back on land, we found the source of the battery pod leak had been >> owner stupidity (surprise!!!) I normally open the pods for charging, but in >> this instance had thought it unnecessary because the charging was just a >> really small top-up. Wrong... battery off-gassing had dislodged a pod cap >> O-ring. On top of that, my pods have over-pressure valves that would have >> avoided the issue, except that I'd bolted them as an extra security measure >> to prevent a leak path on the test. After all, I don't think anyone else >> has put OP valves on their pods so reached the conclusion they weren't >> necessary. Well, lessons learned. Moving forward, caps will be coming off >> during any charging, and the OP valves will go back into operation too >> (e.g. to prevent against heat expansion.) The good news is that the flood >> does not appear to have affected the batteries, which are AGMs. We dove the >> sub the next day. All worked perfectly and the battery voltage had not >> decreased in the slightest. >> >> Steve's sub, The Great Escape, had a minor issue involving the temporary >> MBT plumbing. Steve had plumbed both MBTs together, to a T, and put a ball >> valve on that. What happened was a siphon effect between the two tanks. >> Whichever MBT was slightly lower in the water would transfer air to the >> higher one, from which it would escape. Steve redid the temporary plumbing, >> putting a separate ball valve on each tank, and the issue was fixed. His >> test went well, except he was conservative turning the knob on the timer, >> so the autopilot went off about 20 minutes later than planned - and he >> probably aged 20 years in those 20 minutes. >> >> Seneca Lake is 600 feet deep, and the bottom is very fine silt that's >> another 600 feet deep and has been deposited since the last ice age. We >> were concerned about the subs diving into that silt and getting stuck by >> suction, so we held them off the bottom. One interesting thing is we could >> see the subs on the boat's fish-finder. Really big fish, at 500 in the >> first test and 300 feet in the second. >> >> Here was our M.O.: >> >> 1) Trim out buoyancy at the ramp so the sub will be neutrally buoyant >> with MBTs flooded. Set the auto-pilot timer, seal the hatch. >> 2) Tow to test site. >> 3) Swimmers flood MBTs and make sure to close the valves before the sub >> disappears. >> 4) Add some ballast for modest negative buoyancy. Enough to prevent the >> sub from floating on a thermocline, but not so much you could not pull her >> up. >> 5) Let sub down a little, check for leaks by looking through the view >> ports. We marked the rope with labeled heat shrink, at 50 foot increments. >> We used a rope that was longer than the depth of the lake. It had a trawl >> float 20 feet from the sub, to keep it clear from the valve handles, and >> another float on the end in case we had to let it go. The rope was not tied >> off on the boat, we just put a turn on a cleat and kept a hand on it. An >> imploding sub could sink the surface boat. >> 6) Wait, tracking time on a timer that was set at the same time as the >> one in the sub. >> 7) The angle of the line indicates where the sub is. Ensure the surface >> boat is not directly above when the sub surfaces. >> >> If anyone wants to borrow the auto-pilot for a depth test, just let me >> know. I think we've used it for testing about 4 subs by now. >> >> I'll post some photos and video on FB... >> >> >> Best, >> Alec >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Glad it all worked out. > > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 00:17, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Another fun thing was that Cliff got to take a dive in Shackleton. Maybe >> he can give us a review, a la Road and Track or such! >> >> :) >> >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 5:38 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Great report thanks Alec. >>> Glad you survived the battery pod flooding, that could have been >>> expensive. >>> I know GL had a similar rule to what you are saying ABS has, but it was >>> that any compartment (apart from the pressure Hull) that can flood has to >>> be able to be mitigated by drop weights etc. Can't remember the exact >>> wording. >>> Good to hear & learn from the fails. >>> Thats a pretty good check list for testing; >>> it should be up on the Psubs site somewhere. >>> Alan >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 09:18:56 AM GMT+12, Alec Smyth via >>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Friends, >>> >>> Steve McQueen and I just depth tested our subs in Seneca Lake, and I >>> thought I'd send a little writeup. But first, many thanks to Cliff Redus >>> and Dan Lance for crewing! >>> >>> We prepared our subs by installing temporary MBT plumbing outside, with >>> valves that could be operated by swimmers. The subs were to be sent down on >>> an anchor line, and would blow tanks an hour later automatically. The >>> "auto-pilot" that blows ballast uses a timer, but will also blow ballast >>> ahead of time if a water detector senses a leak. >>> >>> Both tests were successful, but both were also a little too exciting. >>> >>> In my case, Shackleton developed a 45 degree list during the tow out to >>> the test site. I was pretty certain it was a flooded battery pod, and could >>> see the cabin was dry by looking into the bow dome, so decided to go ahead >>> and send her down because, even though a flooded pod is a lot of extra >>> weight, the pods are sized not to result in negative buoyancy when flooded. >>> That is an ABS rule. The sub did indeed come back up after an hour, with >>> the cabin still dry. >>> >>> Once back on land, we found the source of the battery pod leak had been >>> owner stupidity (surprise!!!) I normally open the pods for charging, but in >>> this instance had thought it unnecessary because the charging was just a >>> really small top-up. Wrong... battery off-gassing had dislodged a pod cap >>> O-ring. On top of that, my pods have over-pressure valves that would have >>> avoided the issue, except that I'd bolted them as an extra security measure >>> to prevent a leak path on the test. After all, I don't think anyone else >>> has put OP valves on their pods so reached the conclusion they weren't >>> necessary. Well, lessons learned. Moving forward, caps will be coming off >>> during any charging, and the OP valves will go back into operation too >>> (e.g. to prevent against heat expansion.) The good news is that the flood >>> does not appear to have affected the batteries, which are AGMs. We dove the >>> sub the next day. All worked perfectly and the battery voltage had not >>> decreased in the slightest. >>> >>> Steve's sub, The Great Escape, had a minor issue involving the temporary >>> MBT plumbing. Steve had plumbed both MBTs together, to a T, and put a ball >>> valve on that. What happened was a siphon effect between the two tanks. >>> Whichever MBT was slightly lower in the water would transfer air to the >>> higher one, from which it would escape. Steve redid the temporary plumbing, >>> putting a separate ball valve on each tank, and the issue was fixed. His >>> test went well, except he was conservative turning the knob on the timer, >>> so the autopilot went off about 20 minutes later than planned - and he >>> probably aged 20 years in those 20 minutes. >>> >>> Seneca Lake is 600 feet deep, and the bottom is very fine silt that's >>> another 600 feet deep and has been deposited since the last ice age. We >>> were concerned about the subs diving into that silt and getting stuck by >>> suction, so we held them off the bottom. One interesting thing is we could >>> see the subs on the boat's fish-finder. Really big fish, at 500 in the >>> first test and 300 feet in the second. >>> >>> Here was our M.O.: >>> >>> 1) Trim out buoyancy at the ramp so the sub will be neutrally buoyant >>> with MBTs flooded. Set the auto-pilot timer, seal the hatch. >>> 2) Tow to test site. >>> 3) Swimmers flood MBTs and make sure to close the valves before the sub >>> disappears. >>> 4) Add some ballast for modest negative buoyancy. Enough to prevent the >>> sub from floating on a thermocline, but not so much you could not pull her >>> up. >>> 5) Let sub down a little, check for leaks by looking through the view >>> ports. We marked the rope with labeled heat shrink, at 50 foot increments. >>> We used a rope that was longer than the depth of the lake. It had a trawl >>> float 20 feet from the sub, to keep it clear from the valve handles, and >>> another float on the end in case we had to let it go. The rope was not tied >>> off on the boat, we just put a turn on a cleat and kept a hand on it. An >>> imploding sub could sink the surface boat. >>> 6) Wait, tracking time on a timer that was set at the same time as the >>> one in the sub. >>> 7) The angle of the line indicates where the sub is. Ensure the surface >>> boat is not directly above when the sub surfaces. >>> >>> If anyone wants to borrow the auto-pilot for a depth test, just let me >>> know. I think we've used it for testing about 4 subs by now. >>> >>> I'll post some photos and video on FB... >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> Alec >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 31 14:56:06 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 18:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth tests at Seneca In-Reply-To: References: <1796712368.1149646.1630359458472@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <323004978.703150.1630436166186@mail.yahoo.com> Very cool. Way to go, Trevor!Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2021 10:45 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth tests at Seneca A really nice thing was the diving the next day. In particular, that my teenage son got to dive in a sub for the first time. The focus was not on video, but here's a short 3 minute one that was an accidental byproduct. https://vimeo.com/594808783 On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 10:24 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Alec Saw some pics on facebook.? Looks like a great test day, even with the flooded pod.? Glad it all worked out.?? On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 00:17, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Another fun thing was that Cliff got to take a dive in Shackleton. Maybe he can give us a review, a la Road and Track or such! :) On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 5:38 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Great report thanks Alec.?Glad you survived the battery pod flooding, that could have been expensive.?I know GL had a similar rule to what you are saying ABS has, but it was that any compartment (apart from the pressure Hull) that can flood has to be able to be mitigated by drop weights etc. Can't remember the exact wording.?Good to hear & learn from the fails.Thats a pretty good check list for testing;it should be up on the Psubs site somewhere.?Alan? On Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 09:18:56 AM GMT+12, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Friends, Steve McQueen and I just depth tested our subs in Seneca Lake, and I thought I'd send a little writeup. But first, many thanks to Cliff Redus and Dan Lance for crewing!? We prepared our subs by installing temporary MBT plumbing outside, with valves that could be operated by swimmers. The subs were to be sent down on an anchor line, and would blow tanks an hour later automatically. The "auto-pilot" that blows ballast uses a timer, but will also blow ballast ahead of time if a water detector senses a leak.? Both tests were successful, but both were also a little too exciting.? In my case, Shackleton developed a 45 degree list during the tow out to the test site. I was pretty certain it was a flooded battery pod, and could see the cabin was dry by looking into the bow dome, so decided to go ahead and send her down because, even though a flooded pod is a lot of extra weight, the pods are sized not to result in negative buoyancy when flooded. That is an ABS rule. The sub did indeed come back up after an hour, with the cabin still dry.? Once back on land, we found the source of the battery pod leak had been owner stupidity (surprise!!!) I normally open the pods for charging, but in this instance had thought it unnecessary because the charging was just a really small top-up. Wrong... battery off-gassing had dislodged a pod cap O-ring. On top of that, my pods have over-pressure valves that would have avoided the issue, except that I'd bolted them as an extra security measure to prevent a leak path on the test. After all, I don't think anyone else has put OP valves on their pods so reached the conclusion they weren't necessary. Well, lessons learned. Moving forward, caps will be coming off during any charging, and the OP valves will go back into operation too (e.g. to prevent against heat expansion.) The good news is that the flood does not appear to have affected the batteries, which are AGMs. We dove the sub the next day. All worked perfectly and the battery voltage had not decreased in the slightest. Steve's sub, The Great Escape, had a minor issue involving the temporary MBT plumbing. Steve had plumbed both MBTs together, to a T, and put a ball valve on that. What happened was a siphon effect between the two tanks. Whichever MBT was slightly lower in the water would transfer air to the higher one, from which it would escape. Steve redid the temporary plumbing, putting a separate ball valve on each tank, and the issue was fixed. His test went well, except he was conservative turning the knob on the timer, so the autopilot went off about 20 minutes later than planned - and he probably aged 20 years in those 20 minutes.? Seneca Lake is 600 feet deep, and the bottom is very fine silt that's another 600 feet deep and has been deposited since the last ice age. We were concerned about the subs diving into that silt and getting stuck by suction, so we held them off the bottom. One interesting thing is we could see the subs on the boat's fish-finder. Really big fish, at 500 in the first test and 300 feet in the second.? Here was our M.O.: 1) Trim out buoyancy at the ramp so the sub will be neutrally buoyant with MBTs flooded. Set the auto-pilot timer, seal the hatch.2) Tow to test site.3) Swimmers flood MBTs and make sure to close the valves before the sub disappears.4) Add some ballast for modest negative buoyancy. Enough to prevent the sub from floating on a thermocline, but not so much you could not pull her up.5) Let sub down a little, check for leaks by looking through the view ports. We marked the rope with labeled heat shrink, at 50 foot increments. We used a rope that was longer than the depth of the lake. It had a trawl float 20 feet from the sub, to keep it clear from the valve handles, and another float on the end in case we had to let it go. The rope was not tied off on the boat, we just put a turn on a cleat and kept a hand on it. An imploding sub could sink the surface boat.?6) Wait, tracking time on a timer that was set at the same time as the one in the sub.7) The angle of the line indicates where the sub is. Ensure the surface boat is not directly above when the sub surfaces. If anyone wants to borrow the auto-pilot for a depth test, just let me know. I think we've used it for testing about 4 subs by now.? I'll post some photos and video on FB... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Aug 31 15:11:38 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 19:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth tests at Seneca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <340360553.1511707.1630437098206@mail.yahoo.com> I thought I would put my two cents in on the Lake Seneca divesthis weekend of Shackletonand The Great Escape (TGE).? Bottom lineis both boats were successful in massively extending their operating depth to500 ft and 300 ft, respectively. This is a big milestone for each of thesepsubs and they did a great job coordinating these tests.? ?I don?t have much toadd on the dives other than the working hypothesis of the extruded O-ring onShackleton.? Another possible hypothesis isoverpressure from heating of the air in the battery pod could have caused theextrusion.? The initial pressure in the podwas ambient at the temperature of Alec?s garage in Virginia when he closed upthe pod after the initial charging. It is possible the top off charge causedsome pressure build but, in my experience, the smart charger should have beenin the third phase of charge which is high voltage, low current switching onand off.? It is hard for me see thisgenerating the kind of pressure needed to unseat the o-ring.? ?On thetest dive day at Lake Seneca we did not get the Shackleton into the water tillaround noon.? The temperature could easilyhave been over 100 F from the sun.? Hotair has a lower density than cold so this could have caused the overpressure inthe port pod in that the OP valve on the pod was locked out.? We had multiple people looking at the boat fromthe time we got to the lake which I think was around 9 am or so until the launcharound noon.? No one noticed the extrudedo-ring which was in a very observable location being at the top of the portbattery pod very near the bow view port.?The extrusion was about 1 inch in length.? If it had been extruded at that point, then Ithink someone would have noticed this black 1 inch extruded O- ring against thewhite color of the pod.? This leads me tothink the extrusion happed sometime after the launch.? We noticed the listing on the tow out.? My guess is that the water temperature at thesurface was on the order of ?65 F.? As such, when the battery pods were submergedthe air in the pods stated to cool down quickly so 1 atm air in the pod promptlydropped into a partial vacuum pulled in water. Of course, as the boat descendedto 500 ft, this extruded O-ring presented a flow path for the water and thehigh differential pressure between ambient water and pod pressure flooded thepod.?? I concur with Alec in that the ABSrule that requires the boat to be able to be surfaced with MBT blow with thelargest non-hull floodable volume (in this case, one of the battery pods) beingcompletely flooded saved the day.? Alecis braver than me.? I was arguing foraborting the dive until we sorted this out. ?So the lesson learnedto me was to add a visual and tactile inspection of both battery pod joints tothe predive checklist and as Alec notes, open the wing nut on the battery podOP valve so that any overpressure event in the pod would be safely vented. Concerning the hiccup with The Great Escape on the Friday ballastcheckout dive, in retrospect, the problem of air from deepest MBT, either forwardor aft, forcing air into the more shallow tank could have been prevented withtwo low-cracking pressure check or non return valves positioned on both branchingsides of the test rig tee.? This wouldhave prevented this longitudinal movement of air between the MBTS.? Standing on the boat watching and excessive amountof air venting from the forward and aft MBS while no air was being added was causingus all to scratch our heads.? It was Dan Lancethat picked up on the problem.? After recovering the boat, Steve?s solution of with a quickrun to the hardware shop for another valve ?solved the problem and the next days dive wentoff fine except for the extra 20 minutes we waited for the boat tosurface.? I sure thought we were going toneed our weaties to manually hall in the boat.?Steve just kept saying, just give it another 5 minutes. Dive operations with Shackleton on Monday were in jeopardy due to Alec?sback which he managed to strain holding onto the line attached to Shackleton for an hour as she sat at500ft during the unmanned depth test.? Hisonly requirement for our Sunday night celebration dinner was a simple straightback chair.? I thought we were going to haveto carry him out to the car after dinner. ?Getting into Shackleton is a bit tricky even with a goodback. In the morning he had recovered to the point that he agreed to have a goat diving. Alec agreedto take me for a dive as a passenger (big thanks) so below are my observationsfrom the dive.? First Alec did a greatjob in the predive orientation which was done in the boat.? He has a very specific instruction on how tomove this way and turn that way to get the passenger down the sail and into aprone on your stomach position facing the bow viewport.? I found the layout of switches and controlsto be intuitive and well labeled. We went through all the common systems firstincluding location of thruster breakers, BIBS system, exterior and interiorlights, surface and underwater comms, thruster operations and O2 makeup regulators.? After I was comfortable with basicoperations, he covered emergency items such as drop weight and jettisoning thrustersthat were entangled.? I think anyonegenerally familiar with basic components of a 1-atm boat would come up to speedpretty quickly with his layout of equipment and his orientation. Over the years,Alec has done quite a bit of work on the MBT design mostly due to the design objectivesof the boat changing mid stream.? As suchit is very stable to walk on during passenger change outs.? Other than the absolutely beautiful view fromthe bow viewport, what I was very impressed with was the operation of the MBTpneumatic vent valves.? They are fast! Inreviewing the video of the dive with his son Treavor as passenger, it took 12seconds from when the MBT valves opened until the boat was fully flooded.? This transition period from fully blown MBTto fully flooded MBT can be problematic for some boats.? Thanks to Hugh Fulton for sharing the originaldesign of these MBT vent valves.? I lovethese valves and plan to use them on my next boat. ? Of courseSteve McQueen get bragging rights for the best Eye Candy.? TGE is just a beautiful K-250 build.? If you are wanting to fast track getting inthe water with your very own boat, Steve has put TGE on the market.? I don?t think you can find a better builtK-250. One last point.? Steve DeMartino and James Eddlestone were twolocal experienced divers that answered our call for diving assistance duringthe trip.? They both did and outstandingjob.? Steve even opened up his lake housefor us to use as a base of operation during the trip.? He also used his boat as tender during the dives.? Steve did and excellent job in just about whateverwe asked him to do in the water including acting a counter balance on the towback with Shackleton. It is niceto see these two boat reach a fully qualified status. ? Cliff On Monday, August 30, 2021, 04:17:57 PM CDT, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Friends, Steve McQueen and I just depth tested our subs in Seneca Lake, and I thought I'd send a little writeup. But first, many thanks to Cliff Redus and Dan Lance for crewing!? We prepared our subs by installing temporary MBT plumbing outside, with valves that could be operated by swimmers. The subs were to be sent down on an anchor line, and would blow tanks an hour later automatically. The "auto-pilot" that blows ballast uses a timer, but will also blow ballast ahead of time if a water detector senses a leak.? Both tests were successful, but both were also a little too exciting.? In my case, Shackleton developed a 45 degree list during the tow out to the test site. I was pretty certain it was a flooded battery pod, and could see the cabin was dry by looking into the bow dome, so decided to go ahead and send her down because, even though a flooded pod is a lot of extra weight, the pods are sized not to result in negative buoyancy when flooded. That is an ABS rule. The sub did indeed come back up after an hour, with the cabin still dry.? Once back on land, we found the source of the battery pod leak had been owner stupidity (surprise!!!) I normally open the pods for charging, but in this instance had thought it unnecessary because the charging was just a really small top-up. Wrong... battery off-gassing had dislodged a pod cap O-ring. On top of that, my pods have over-pressure valves that would have avoided the issue, except that I'd bolted them as an extra security measure to prevent a leak path on the test. After all, I don't think anyone else has put OP valves on their pods so reached the conclusion they weren't necessary. Well, lessons learned. Moving forward, caps will be coming off during any charging, and the OP valves will go back into operation too (e.g. to prevent against heat expansion.) The good news is that the flood does not appear to have affected the batteries, which are AGMs. We dove the sub the next day. All worked perfectly and the battery voltage had not decreased in the slightest. Steve's sub, The Great Escape, had a minor issue involving the temporary MBT plumbing. Steve had plumbed both MBTs together, to a T, and put a ball valve on that. What happened was a siphon effect between the two tanks. Whichever MBT was slightly lower in the water would transfer air to the higher one, from which it would escape. Steve redid the temporary plumbing, putting a separate ball valve on each tank, and the issue was fixed. His test went well, except he was conservative turning the knob on the timer, so the autopilot went off about 20 minutes later than planned - and he probably aged 20 years in those 20 minutes.? Seneca Lake is 600 feet deep, and the bottom is very fine silt that's another 600 feet deep and has been deposited since the last ice age. We were concerned about the subs diving into that silt and getting stuck by suction, so we held them off the bottom. One interesting thing is we could see the subs on the boat's fish-finder. Really big fish, at 500 in the first test and 300 feet in the second.? Here was our M.O.: 1) Trim out buoyancy at the ramp so the sub will be neutrally buoyant with MBTs flooded. Set the auto-pilot timer, seal the hatch.2) Tow to test site.3) Swimmers flood MBTs and make sure to close the valves before the sub disappears.4) Add some ballast for modest negative buoyancy. Enough to prevent the sub from floating on a thermocline, but not so much you could not pull her up.5) Let sub down a little, check for leaks by looking through the view ports. We marked the rope with labeled heat shrink, at 50 foot increments. We used a rope that was longer than the depth of the lake. It had a trawl float 20 feet from the sub, to keep it clear from the valve handles, and another float on the end in case we had to let it go. The rope was not tied off on the boat, we just put a turn on a cleat and kept a hand on it. An imploding sub could sink the surface boat.?6) Wait, tracking time on a timer that was set at the same time as the one in the sub.7) The angle of the line indicates where the sub is. Ensure the surface boat is not directly above when the sub surfaces. If anyone wants to borrow the auto-pilot for a depth test, just let me know. I think we've used it for testing about 4 subs by now.? I'll post some photos and video on FB... 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Re: Depth tests at Seneca (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 18:56:06 +0000 (UTC) From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth tests at Seneca Message-ID: <323004978.703150.1630436166186 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Very cool. Way to go, Trevor!Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2021 10:45 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth tests at Seneca A really nice thing was the diving the next day. In particular, that my teenage son got to dive in a sub for the first time. The focus was not on video, but here's a short 3 minute one that was an accidental byproduct. https://vimeo.com/594808783 On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 10:24 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Alec Saw some pics on facebook.? Looks like a great test day, even with the flooded pod.? Glad it all worked out.?? On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 00:17, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Another fun thing was that Cliff got to take a dive in Shackleton. Maybe he can give us a review, a la Road and Track or such! :) On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 5:38 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Great report thanks Alec.?Glad you survived the battery pod flooding, that could have been expensive.?I know GL had a similar rule to what you are saying ABS has, but it was that any compartment (apart from the pressure Hull) that can flood has to be able to be mitigated by drop weights etc. Can't remember the exact wording.?Good to hear & learn from the fails.Thats a pretty good check list for testing;it should be up on the Psubs site somewhere.?Alan? On Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 09:18:56 AM GMT+12, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Friends, Steve McQueen and I just depth tested our subs in Seneca Lake, and I thought I'd send a little writeup. But first, many thanks to Cliff Redus and Dan Lance for crewing!? We prepared our subs by installing temporary MBT plumbing outside, with valves that could be operated by swimmers. The subs were to be sent down on an anchor line, and would blow tanks an hour later automatically. The "auto-pilot" that blows ballast uses a timer, but will also blow ballast ahead of time if a water detector senses a leak.? Both tests were successful, but both were also a little too exciting.? In my case, Shackleton developed a 45 degree list during the tow out to the test site. I was pretty certain it was a flooded battery pod, and could see the cabin was dry by looking into the bow dome, so decided to go ahead and send her down because, even though a flooded pod is a lot of extra weight, the pods are sized not to result in negative buoyancy when flooded. That is an ABS rule. The sub did indeed come back up after an hour, with the cabin still dry.? Once back on land, we found the source of the battery pod leak had been owner stupidity (surprise!!!) I normally open the pods for charging, but in this instance had thought it unnecessary because the charging was just a really small top-up. Wrong... battery off-gassing had dislodged a pod cap O-ring. On top of that, my pods have over-pressure valves that would have avoided the issue, except that I'd bolted them as an extra security measure to prevent a leak path on the test. After all, I don't think anyone else has put OP valves on their pods so reached the conclusion they weren't necessary. Well, lessons learned. Moving forward, caps will be coming off during any charging, and the OP valves will go back into operation too (e.g. to prevent against heat expansion.) The good news is that the flood does not appear to have affected the batteries, which are AGMs. We dove the sub the next day. All worked perfectly and the battery voltage had not decreased in the slightest. Steve's sub, The Great Escape, had a minor issue involving the temporary MBT plumbing. Steve had plumbed both MBTs together, to a T, and put a ball valve on that. What happened was a siphon effect between the two tanks. Whichever MBT was slightly lower in the water would transfer air to the higher one, from which it would escape. Steve redid the temporary plumbing, putting a separate ball valve on each tank, and the issue was fixed. His test went well, except he was conservative turning the knob on the timer, so the autopilot went off about 20 minutes later than planned - and he probably aged 20 years in those 20 minutes.? Seneca Lake is 600 feet deep, and the bottom is very fine silt that's another 600 feet deep and has been deposited since the last ice age. We were concerned about the subs diving into that silt and getting stuck by suction, so we held them off the bottom. One interesting thing is we could see the subs on the boat's fish-finder. Really big fish, at 500 in the first test and 300 feet in the second.? Here was our M.O.: 1) Trim out buoyancy at the ramp so the sub will be neutrally buoyant with MBTs flooded. Set the auto-pilot timer, seal the hatch.2) Tow to test site.3) Swimmers flood MBTs and make sure to close the valves before the sub disappears.4) Add some ballast for modest negative buoyancy. Enough to prevent the sub from floating on a thermocline, but not so much you could not pull her up.5) Let sub down a little, check for leaks by looking through the view ports. We marked the rope with labeled heat shrink, at 50 foot increments. We used a rope that was longer than the depth of the lake. It had a trawl float 20 feet from the sub, to keep it clear from the valve handles, and another float on the end in case we had to let it go. The rope was not tied off on the boat, we just put a turn on a cleat and kept a hand on it. An imploding sub could sink the surface boat.?6) Wait, tracking time on a timer that was set at the same time as the one in the sub.7) The angle of the line indicates w! here the sub is. Ensure the surface boat is not directly above when the sub surfaces. If anyone wants to borrow the auto-pilot for a depth test, just let me know. I think we've used it for testing about 4 subs by now.? I'll post some photos and video on FB... 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URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 19:11:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth tests at Seneca Message-ID: <340360553.1511707.1630437098206 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I thought I would put my two cents in on the Lake Seneca divesthis weekend of Shackletonand The Great Escape (TGE).? Bottom lineis both boats were successful in massively extending their operating depth to500 ft and 300 ft, respectively. This is a big milestone for each of thesepsubs and they did a great job coordinating these tests.? ?I don?t have much toadd on the dives other than the working hypothesis of the extruded O-ring onShackleton.? Another possible hypothesis isoverpressure from heating of the air in the battery pod could have caused theextrusion.? The initial pressure in the podwas ambient at the temperature of Alec?s garage in Virginia when he closed upthe pod after the initial charging. It is possible the top off charge causedsome pressure build but, in my experience, the smart charger should have beenin the third phase of charge which is high voltage, low current switching onand off.? It is hard for me see thisgenerating the kind of pressure needed to unseat the o-ring.? ?On thetest dive day at Lake Seneca we did not get the Shackleton into the water tillaround noon.? The temperature could easilyhave been over 100 F from the sun.? Hotair has a lower density than cold so this could have caused the overpressure inthe port pod in that the OP valve on the pod was locked out.? We had multiple pe! ople looking at the boat fromthe time we got to the lake which I think was around 9 am or so until the launcharound noon.? No one noticed the extrudedo-ring which was in a very observable location being at the top of the portbattery pod very near the bow view port.?The extrusion was about 1 inch in length.? If it had been extruded at that point, then Ithink someone would have noticed this black 1 inch extruded O- ring against thewhite color of the pod.? This leads me tothink the extrusion happed sometime after the launch.? We noticed the listing on the tow out.? My guess is that the water temperature at thesurface was on the order of ?65 F.? As such, when the battery pods were submergedthe air in the pods stated to cool down quickly so 1 atm air in the pod promptlydropped into a partial vacuum pulled in water. Of course, as the boat descendedto 500 ft, this extruded O-ring presented a flow path for the water and thehigh differential pressure between ambient water and pod pr! essure flooded thepod.?? I concur with Alec in that the ABSrule that requires the boat to be able to be surfaced with MBT blow with thelargest non-hull floodable volume (in this case, one of the battery pods) beingcompletely flooded saved the day.? Alecis braver than me.? I was arguing foraborting the dive until we sorted this out. ?So the lesson learnedto me was to add a visual and tactile inspection of both battery pod joints tothe predive checklist and as Alec notes, open the wing nut on the battery podOP valve so that any overpressure event in the pod would be safely vented. Concerning the hiccup with The Great Escape on the Friday ballastcheckout dive, in retrospect, the problem of air from deepest MBT, either forwardor aft, forcing air into the more shallow tank could have been prevented withtwo low-cracking pressure check or non return valves positioned on both branchingsides of the test rig tee.? This wouldhave prevented this longitudinal movement of air between the MBTS.? Standing on the boat watching and excessive amountof air venting from the forward and aft MBS while no air was being added was causingus all to scratch our heads.? It was Dan Lancethat picked up on the problem.? After recovering the boat, Steve?s solution of with a quickrun to the hardware shop for another valve ?solved the problem and the next days dive wentoff fine except for the extra 20 minutes we waited for the boat tosurface.? I sure thought we were going toneed our weaties to manually hall in the boat.?Steve just kept saying, just give it another 5 minutes. Dive operations with Shackleton on Monday were in jeopardy due to Alec?sback which he managed to strain holding onto the line attached to Shackleton for an hour as she sat at500ft during the unmanned depth test.? Hisonly requirement for our Sunday night celebration dinner was a simple straightback chair.? I thought we were going to haveto carry him out to the car after dinner. ?Getting into Shackleton is a bit tricky even with a goodback. In the morning he had recovered to the point that he agreed to have a goat diving. Alec agreedto take me for a dive as a passenger (big thanks) so below are my observationsfrom the dive.? First Alec did a greatjob in the predive orientation which was done in the boat.? He has a very specific instruction on how tomove this way and turn that way to get the passenger down the sail and into aprone on your stomach position facing the bow viewport.? I found the layout of switches and controlsto be intuitive and well labeled. We went through all the common systems firstincluding location of thruster breakers, BIBS system, exterior and interiorlights, surface and underwater comms, thruster operations and O2 makeup regulators.? After I was comfortable with basicoperations, he covered emergency items such as drop weight and jettisoning thrustersthat were entangled.? I think anyonegenerally familiar with basic components of a 1-atm boat would come up to speedpretty quickly with his layout of equipment and his orientation. Over the years,Alec has done quite a bit of work on the MBT design mostly due to the design objectivesof the boat changing mid stream.? As suchit is very stable to walk on during passenger change outs.? Other than the absolutely beautiful view fromthe bow viewport, what I was very impressed with was the operation of the MBTpneumatic vent valves.? They are fast! Inreviewing the video of the dive with his son Treavor as passenger, it took 12seconds from when the MBT valves opened until the boat was fully flooded.? This transition period from fully blown MBTto fully flooded MBT can be problematic for some boats.? Thanks to Hugh Fulton for sharing the originaldesign of these MBT vent valves.? I lovethese valves and plan to use them on my next boat. ? Of courseSteve McQueen get bragging rights for the best Eye Candy.? TGE is just a beautiful K-250 build.? If you are wanting to fast track getting inthe water with your very own boat, Steve has put TGE on the market.? I don?t think you can find a better builtK-250. One last point.? Steve DeMartino and James Eddlestone were twolocal experienced divers that answered our call for diving assistance duringthe trip.? They both did and outstandingjob.? Steve even opened up his lake housefor us to use as a base of operation during the trip.? He also used his boat as tender during the dives.? Steve did and excellent job in just about whateverwe asked him to do in the water including acting a counter balance on the towback with Shackleton. It is niceto see these two boat reach a fully qualified status. ? Cliff On Monday, August 30, 2021, 04:17:57 PM CDT, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Friends, Steve McQueen and I just depth tested our subs in Seneca Lake, and I thought I'd send a little writeup. But first, many thanks to Cliff Redus and Dan Lance for crewing!? We prepared our subs by installing temporary MBT plumbing outside, with valves that could be operated by swimmers. The subs were to be sent down on an anchor line, and would blow tanks an hour later automatically. The "auto-pilot" that blows ballast uses a timer, but will also blow ballast ahead of time if a water detector senses a leak.? Both tests were successful, but both were also a little too exciting.? In my case, Shackleton developed a 45 degree list during the tow out to the test site. I was pretty certain it was a flooded battery pod, and could see the cabin was dry by looking into the bow dome, so decided to go ahead and send her down because, even though a flooded pod is a lot of extra weight, the pods are sized not to result in negative buoyancy when flooded. That is an ABS rule. The sub did indeed come back up after an hour, with the cabin still dry.? Once back on land, we found the source of the battery pod leak had been owner stupidity (surprise!!!) I normally open the pods for charging, but in this instance had thought it unnecessary because the charging was just a really small top-up. Wrong... battery off-gassing had dislodged a pod cap O-ring. On top of that, my pods have over-pressure valves that would have avoided the issue, except that I'd bolted them as an extra security measure to prevent a leak path on the test. After all, I don't think anyone else has put OP valves on their pods so reached the conclusion they weren't necessary. Well, lessons learned. Moving forward, caps will be coming off during any charging, and the OP valves will go back into operation too (e.g. to prevent against heat expansion.) The good news is that the flood does not appear to have affected the batteries, which are AGMs. We dove the sub the next day. All worked perfectly and the battery voltage had not decreased in the slightest. Steve's sub, The Great Escape, had a minor issue involving the temporary MBT plumbing. Steve had plumbed both MBTs together, to a T, and put a ball valve on that. What happened was a siphon effect between the two tanks. Whichever MBT was slightly lower in the water would transfer air to the higher one, from which it would escape. Steve redid the temporary plumbing, putting a separate ball valve on each tank, and the issue was fixed. His test went well, except he was conservative turning the knob on the timer, so the autopilot went off about 20 minutes later than planned - and he probably aged 20 years in those 20 minutes.? Seneca Lake is 600 feet deep, and the bottom is very fine silt that's another 600 feet deep and has been deposited since the last ice age. We were concerned about the subs diving into that silt and getting stuck by suction, so we held them off the bottom. One interesting thing is we could see the subs on the boat's fish-finder. Really big fish, at 500 in the first test and 300 feet in the second.? Here was our M.O.: 1) Trim out buoyancy at the ramp so the sub will be neutrally buoyant with MBTs flooded. Set the auto-pilot timer, seal the hatch.2) Tow to test site.3) Swimmers flood MBTs and make sure to close the valves before the sub disappears.4) Add some ballast for modest negative buoyancy. Enough to prevent the sub from floating on a thermocline, but not so much you could not pull her up.5) Let sub down a little, check for leaks by looking through the view ports. We marked the rope with labeled heat shrink, at 50 foot increments. We used a rope that was longer than the depth of the lake. It had a trawl float 20 feet from the sub, to keep it clear from the valve handles, and another float on the end in case we had to let it go. The rope was not tied off on the boat, we just put a turn on a cleat and kept a hand on it. An imploding sub could sink the surface boat.?6) Wait, tracking time on a timer that was set at the same time as the one in the sub.7) The angle of the line indicates w! here the sub is. Ensure the surface boat is not directly above when the sub surfaces. If anyone wants to borrow the auto-pilot for a depth test, just let me know. I think we've used it for testing about 4 subs by now.? I'll post some photos and video on FB... 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