From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 3 06:42:00 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 11:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New video References: <512435611.886401.1580730120588.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <512435611.886401.1580730120588@mail.yahoo.com> Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 | | | | | | | | | | | Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 In this video we are on a submarine research expedition at Flathead Lake, Montana. David Colombo and I were gath... | | | Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 3 07:24:05 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 07:24:05 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New video In-Reply-To: <512435611.886401.1580730120588@mail.yahoo.com> References: <512435611.886401.1580730120588.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <512435611.886401.1580730120588@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Best one yet, by far! Alec On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 6:43 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 > > > Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 > > In this video we are on a submarine research expedition at Flathead Lake, > Montana. David Colombo and I were gath... > > > > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 3 09:15:30 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 14:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New video In-Reply-To: <512435611.886401.1580730120588@mail.yahoo.com> References: <512435611.886401.1580730120588.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <512435611.886401.1580730120588@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <820963156.847448.1580739330458@mail.yahoo.com> Excellent!? My wife likes these as they are short and sweet, kind of like a Snickers candy bar. Pass along my thanks to your son for his work. Cliff On Monday, February 3, 2020, 05:43:09 AM CST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 | | | | | | | | | | | Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 In this video we are on a submarine research expedition at Flathead Lake, Montana. David Colombo and I were gath... | | | Hank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 3 09:26:38 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 09:26:38 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New video In-Reply-To: <820963156.847448.1580739330458@mail.yahoo.com> References: <512435611.886401.1580730120588.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <512435611.886401.1580730120588@mail.yahoo.com> <820963156.847448.1580739330458@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You can really tell it was edited by a young person of the Youtube generation, with the speed-ups, the swooshing skips between subs, etc. My own editing style is deliberately slow and old-school, I like the old Cousteau films. So its fun to watch the difference. I showed it to my son and this is the editing he expects. He just turned 15. I'm also delighted at the footage itself. A lot of this material was not in the video folders when I looked at them, and all we had then was Gopro footage straight through the viewport. This is way better! Alec On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:16 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Excellent! My wife likes these as they are short and sweet, kind of like > a Snickers candy bar. > > Pass along my thanks to your son for his work. > > Cliff > > On Monday, February 3, 2020, 05:43:09 AM CST, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 > > > Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 > > In this video we are on a submarine research expedition at Flathead Lake, > Montana. David Colombo and I were gath... > > > > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 3 13:29:10 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 10:29:10 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New video In-Reply-To: References: <512435611.886401.1580730120588.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <512435611.886401.1580730120588@mail.yahoo.com> <820963156.847448.1580739330458@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hank, video looks great. Make sure Anthony really looks over the footage from the night dives closely. I am particularly interested in the mystery object that shows up in frame for about 4 seconds. Flathead lake monster??? Alec, all footage is uploaded to the dropbox site. Best Regards, David Colombo On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 6:27 AM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > You can really tell it was edited by a young person of the Youtube > generation, with the speed-ups, the swooshing skips between subs, etc. My > own editing style is deliberately slow and old-school, I like the old > Cousteau films. So its fun to watch the difference. I showed it to my son > and this is the editing he expects. He just turned 15. > > I'm also delighted at the footage itself. A lot of this material was not > in the video folders when I looked at them, and all we had then was Gopro > footage straight through the viewport. This is way better! > > Alec > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:16 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Excellent! My wife likes these as they are short and sweet, kind of like >> a Snickers candy bar. >> >> Pass along my thanks to your son for his work. >> >> Cliff >> >> On Monday, February 3, 2020, 05:43:09 AM CST, hank pronk via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 >> >> >> Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 >> >> In this video we are on a submarine research expedition at Flathead Lake, >> Montana. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 3 13:34:48 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 18:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New video In-Reply-To: References: <512435611.886401.1580730120588.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <512435611.886401.1580730120588@mail.yahoo.com> <820963156.847448.1580739330458@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1807319284.1066442.1580754888650@mail.yahoo.com> David, thanks will do.Hank On Monday, February 3, 2020, 11:29:41 AM MST, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, video looks great. Make sure Anthony really looks over the footage from the night dives closely.? I am particularly interested in the mystery object that shows up in frame for about 4 seconds.? Flathead lake monster???Alec, all footage is uploaded to the dropbox site.Best Regards,David Colombo On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 6:27 AM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: You can really tell it was edited by a young person of the Youtube generation, with the speed-ups, the swooshing skips between subs, etc. My own editing style is deliberately slow and old-school, I like the old Cousteau films. So its fun to watch the difference. I showed it to my son and this is the editing he expects. He just turned 15.? I'm also delighted at the footage itself. A lot of this material was not in the video folders when I looked at them, and all we had then was Gopro footage straight through the viewport. This is way better! Alec On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:16 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Excellent!? My wife likes these as they are short and sweet, kind of like a Snickers candy bar. Pass along my thanks to your son for his work. Cliff On Monday, February 3, 2020, 05:43:09 AM CST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 | | | | | | | | | | | Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 In this video we are on a submarine research expedition at Flathead Lake, Montana. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 3 13:39:46 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 13:39:46 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New video In-Reply-To: <1807319284.1066442.1580754888650@mail.yahoo.com> References: <512435611.886401.1580730120588.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <512435611.886401.1580730120588@mail.yahoo.com> <820963156.847448.1580739330458@mail.yahoo.com> <1807319284.1066442.1580754888650@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Cliff, I assume the "bones" in the video were not actually bones? I think you are aware we were contacted by someone who had lost a relative in a boating accident decades ago, and I promised we'd keep an eye open. The chances of a find are obviously infinitesimal. On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:35 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > David, thanks will do. > Hank > > On Monday, February 3, 2020, 11:29:41 AM MST, David Colombo via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hank, video looks great. Make sure Anthony really looks over the footage > from the night dives closely. I am particularly interested in the mystery > object that shows up in frame for about 4 seconds. Flathead lake monster??? > Alec, all footage is uploaded to the dropbox site. > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 6:27 AM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > You can really tell it was edited by a young person of the Youtube > generation, with the speed-ups, the swooshing skips between subs, etc. My > own editing style is deliberately slow and old-school, I like the old > Cousteau films. So its fun to watch the difference. I showed it to my son > and this is the editing he expects. He just turned 15. > > I'm also delighted at the footage itself. A lot of this material was not > in the video folders when I looked at them, and all we had then was Gopro > footage straight through the viewport. This is way better! > > Alec > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:16 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Excellent! My wife likes these as they are short and sweet, kind of like > a Snickers candy bar. > > Pass along my thanks to your son for his work. > > Cliff > > On Monday, February 3, 2020, 05:43:09 AM CST, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 > > > Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 > > In this video we are on a submarine research expedition at Flathead Lake, > Montana. David Colombo and I were gath... > > > > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:35 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: David, thanks will do.Hank On Monday, February 3, 2020, 11:29:41 AM MST, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, video looks great. Make sure Anthony really looks over the footage from the night dives closely.? I am particularly interested in the mystery object that shows up in frame for about 4 seconds.? Flathead lake monster???Alec, all footage is uploaded to the dropbox site.Best Regards,David Colombo On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 6:27 AM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: You can really tell it was edited by a young person of the Youtube generation, with the speed-ups, the swooshing skips between subs, etc. My own editing style is deliberately slow and old-school, I like the old Cousteau films. So its fun to watch the difference. I showed it to my son and this is the editing he expects. He just turned 15.? I'm also delighted at the footage itself. A lot of this material was not in the video folders when I looked at them, and all we had then was Gopro footage straight through the viewport. This is way better! Alec On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:16 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Excellent!? My wife likes these as they are short and sweet, kind of like a Snickers candy bar. Pass along my thanks to your son for his work. Cliff On Monday, February 3, 2020, 05:43:09 AM CST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 | | | | | | | | | | | Submarine Research Expedition | Flathead Lake Montana | Day 3 In this video we are on a submarine research expedition at Flathead Lake, Montana. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Feb 9 22:39:03 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 03:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Day 4 FlatHead Lake In-Reply-To: <1638063649.398248.1581287041133@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1638063649.398248.1581287041133.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1638063649.398248.1581287041133@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <596013836.477845.1581305943622@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for Day 4, Flathead Lake video.? This was one of the best dives I have done to date with the R300. It is nice to see a bit of it captured on video. While Day 5 centered around being apart of the public open house of the Flathead Lake Bio Station, we had a ton of people see both boats with a lot of interest.? Hope you guys have one more video in your bag of tricks for the 2019 Flathead Lake Expedition. Thanks again for all the work. 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Van: Personal_Submersibles Namens Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: zaterdag 15 februari 2020 14:00 Aan: 'personal_submersibles at psubs.org' Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention ? Hey Guys,? I believe I saw some discussion about a Psub convention this year but nothing lately.? Do we have something in works? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Feb 15 13:08:09 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 19:08:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SubSeaSail - Submarines and more.. AW: 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <1307574669.3452071.1581779526906@mail.yahoo.com> References: <007001d5e406$8a0fddd0$9e2f9970$@airesearch.nl> <1307574669.3452071.1581779526906@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1581790089290.1290133.bbae92d963cf40e90ed2fd54dbd0439074aebfe5@spica.telekom.de> Dear Guys, yes there will be a submarine Convention this year in Baltic Coast, Rostock, Germany from 6-9 August 2020. Its now named : SubSeaSail, Submarines and more.. The convention ist part of one of the biggest harbour festivals here in the baltic with a lot of historic sailling ships. We will have our own harbour basin in the military base at Rostock- Warenm?nde "Hohe D?ne". It will include two tents one with short public conference about the world underwater all half hour and one with staic and active displays about the world underwater. Includes two divers container, one for divers and one for Cosmo and Rov's. We have confirmation from nine submarines to come. Includes: Euronaut Carsten & Crew L= 16 m B= 2,5 m G= 58 t Nemo II Reinhard & Monika L= m B= m G= 2 t Nemo 100 Thomas L= m B= m G= 2 t Troll Holger L= 9,1 m B= 1,3 m G= 9,0 t Tigerhai Thomas & Max L= 5,3 m B= 1,0 m G= 1,8 t Cosmo Lars & Stephan L= m B= m G= 0,5 t Comet Lars & Stephan L= m B= m G= t Drebbel Emile L= 4,8 m B= 1,9 m G= 2,9 t Eurosub Holger & Stephan L= 4,2 m B= 1,9 m G= 2,5 t Hope to get two mores, including anothewr Tigerhai and Sgt.Peppers. We have a larger programm for members. Include a "all surfacing together" on Friday for a TV show. Include captains dinner, engineers party and so on. We will have a sea trail on a historic steam ship. I am responsible to organize everything around the Sub Sea Sail. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention Datum: 2020-02-15T16:13:42+0100 Von: "Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles" An: "via Personal_Submersibles" Rostock, Germany, now that would be a Psub convention to remember! Emile, do you know which Psubs would be in the area to see/ participate? On my bucket list is to see both the smallest and largest psubs, Sgt. Pepper and the Euronaut. Where are you based in Germany? Is Hamburg the nearest international airport? Best Sgt. Peppers On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 07:48:51 AM CST, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Steve, Yes, there is one in Rostock, Germany ? 6-9 August 2020 more info to come. Br .Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles Namens Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: zaterdag 15 februari 2020 14:00 Aan: 'personal_submersibles at psubs.org' Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention Hey Guys, I believe I saw some discussion about a Psub convention this year but nothing lately. Do we have something in works? 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AW: 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <1581790089290.1290133.bbae92d963cf40e90ed2fd54dbd0439074aebfe5@spica.telekom.de> References: <007001d5e406$8a0fddd0$9e2f9970$@airesearch.nl> <1307574669.3452071.1581779526906@mail.yahoo.com> <1581790089290.1290133.bbae92d963cf40e90ed2fd54dbd0439074aebfe5@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: Wow!!! That sounds like a fantastic event. Alec On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 1:09 PM MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Dear Guys, > > > > yes there will be a submarine Convention this year in Baltic Coast, > Rostock, Germany from 6-9 August 2020. > > Its now named : > > > > SubSeaSail, Submarines and more.. > > > > The convention ist part of one of the biggest harbour festivals here in > the baltic with a lot of historic sailling ships. > > > > We will have our own harbour basin in the military base at Rostock- > Warenm?nde "Hohe D?ne". > > > > It will include two tents one with short public conference about the world > underwater all half hour > > and one with staic and active displays about the world underwater. > > > > Includes two divers container, one for divers and one for Cosmo and Rov's. > > > > We have confirmation from nine submarines to come. > > Includes: > > > > Euronaut Carsten & Crew L= 16 m > B= 2,5 m G= 58 t > > > > Nemo II Reinhard & Monika L= > m B= m G= 2 t > > > > Nemo 100 Thomas L= > m B= m G= 2 t > > > > Troll Holger > L= 9,1 m B= 1,3 m G= 9,0 t > > > > Tigerhai Thomas & Max L= 5,3 > m B= 1,0 m G= 1,8 t > > > > Cosmo Lars & Stephan L= > m B= m G= 0,5 t > > > > Comet Lars & Stephan L= > m B= m G= t > > > > Drebbel Emile L= > 4,8 m B= 1,9 m G= 2,9 t > > > > Eurosub Holger & Stephan L= 4,2 > m B= 1,9 m G= 2,5 t > > > > Hope to get two mores, including anothewr Tigerhai and Sgt.Peppers. > > > > We have a larger programm for members. Include a "all surfacing together" > on Friday for a TV show. > > Include captains dinner, engineers party and so on. We will have a sea > trail on a historic steam ship. > > > > I am responsible to organize everything around the Sub Sea Sail. > > > > vbr Carsten > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention > > Datum: 2020-02-15T16:13:42+0100 > > Von: "Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > An: "via Personal_Submersibles" > > > > > > > > Rostock, Germany, now that would be a Psub convention to remember! > Emile, do you know which Psubs would be in the area to see/ participate? > On my bucket list is to see both the smallest and largest psubs, Sgt. > Pepper and the Euronaut. Where are you based in Germany? Is Hamburg the > nearest international airport? > > Best > > Sgt. Peppers > > > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 07:48:51 AM CST, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Yes, there is one in Rostock, Germany ? > > 6-9 August 2020 more info to come. > > > > Br .Emile > > > > *Van:* Personal_Submersibles *Namens > *Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 15 februari 2020 14:00 > *Aan:* 'personal_submersibles at psubs.org' > *Onderwerp:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention > > > > Hey Guys, > > I believe I saw some discussion about a Psub convention this year but > nothing lately. Do we have something in works? > > > Thanks, Steve > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > ? > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Feb 15 14:06:41 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 08:06:41 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <007001d5e406$8a0fddd0$9e2f9970$@airesearch.nl> References: <007001d5e406$8a0fddd0$9e2f9970$@airesearch.nl> Message-ID: <79C23A12-6B7B-4F9D-894C-0821658522A9@yahoo.com> Hugh & I visited Carsten there, coincidentally a day apart. Lovely historic town; so somewhere you could abandon your wife for the day! Alan > On 16/02/2020, at 2:48 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Yes, there is one in Rostock, Germany ? > 6-9 August 2020 more info to come. > > Br .Emile > > Van: Personal_Submersibles Namens Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: zaterdag 15 februari 2020 14:00 > Aan: 'personal_submersibles at psubs.org' > Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention > > Hey Guys, > I believe I saw some discussion about a Psub convention this year but nothing lately. Do we have something in works? > > > Thanks, Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Steve -----------------------------------------From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion", "via Personal_Submersibles" Cc: "Rick Maxwell" Sent: Saturday February 15 2020 1:08:09PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SubSeaSail - Submarines and more.. AW: 2020 Psub Convention Dear Guys, yes there will be a submarine Convention this year in Baltic Coast, Rostock, Germany from 6-9 August 2020. Its now named : SubSeaSail, Submarines and more.. The convention ist part of one of the biggest harbour festivals here in the baltic with a lot of historic sailling ships. We will have our own harbour basin in the military base at Rostock- Warenm?nde "Hohe D?ne". It will include two tents one with short public conference about the world underwater all half hour and one with staic and active displays about the world underwater. Includes two divers container, one for divers and one for Cosmo and Rov's. We have confirmation from nine submarines to come. Includes: Euronaut Carsten & Crew L= 16 m B= 2,5 m G= 58 t Nemo II Reinhard & Monika L= m B= m G= 2 t Nemo 100 Thomas L= m B= m G= 2 t Troll Holger L= 9,1 m B= 1,3 m G= 9,0 t Tigerhai Thomas & Max L= 5,3 m B= 1,0 m G= 1,8 t Cosmo Lars & Stephan L= m B= m G= 0,5 t Comet Lars & Stephan L= m B= m G= t Drebbel Emile L= 4,8 m B= 1,9 m G= 2,9 t Eurosub Holger & Stephan L= 4,2 m B= 1,9 m G= 2,5 t Hope to get two mores, including anothewr Tigerhai and Sgt.Peppers. We have a larger programm for members. Include a "all surfacing together" on Friday for a TV show. Include captains dinner, engineers party and so on. We will have a sea trail on a historic steam ship. I am responsible to organize everything around the Sub Sea Sail. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention Datum: 2020-02-15T16:13:42+0100 Von: "Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles" An: "via Personal_Submersibles" Rostock, Germany, now that would be a Psub convention to remember! Emile, do you know which Psubs would be in the area to see/ participate? On my bucket list is to see both the smallest and largest psubs, Sgt. Pepper and the Euronaut. Where are you based in Germany? Is Hamburg the nearest international airport? Best Sgt. Peppers On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 07:48:51 AM CST, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Steve, Yes, there is one in Rostock, Germany ? 6-9 August 2020 more info to come. 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Steve On February 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Yes, we should have one this year. This has been on my mind so a good nudge to get us discussing it.? Last summer Cliff and I had started talking about another convention in the Keys.? With two expeditions completed and a number of projects coming to term there is a lot of information we can sure.? However, we are highly dependent upon the Suhrs for diving purposes in the Keys and were notified in October that unforeseen circumstances would prevent them from being in the Keys for most of the year. We could have a non-diving convention with static displays here in the Keys (or somewhere else), or try to set up a diving convention at another location.? For sure, we have plenty of material for at least one day of technical presentations. Suggestions? Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let me know how I can assist. also, I (maybe others?) am planning on attending the European convention this year so it would be nice if the dates didn't conflict. Steve On February 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Yes, we should have one this year. This has been on my mind so a good nudge to get us discussing it.? Last summer Cliff and I had started talking about another convention in the Keys.? With two expeditions completed and a number of projects coming to term there is a lot of information we can sure.? However, we are highly dependent upon the Suhrs for diving purposes in the Keys and were notified in October that unforeseen circumstances would prevent them from being in the Keys for most of the year. We could have a non-diving convention with static displays here in the Keys (or somewhere else), or try to set up a diving convention at another location.? For sure, we have plenty of material for at least one day of technical presentations. Suggestions? Jon_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Feb 16 10:29:48 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <912592583.3771009.1581861420316@mail.yahoo.com> References: <912592583.3771009.1581861420316@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <319761916.3713424.1581866988992@mail.yahoo.com> Jon, with a 2020 Islamorada event, it would make three psub events this year: 1)?2020 Islamorda Psub convention, 2)?Rostock Germany SubSeaSail European PSub event and 3) probably an InnerspaceScience.org expedition?in Maine.? Granted not all will attend all three events but some like me might want to.? I am not sure how many would come to PSub convention with no diving event around a submersible.? As an alternative, I would like to see us put off the Islamorada convention into 2021.? By that time the Suhr's hopefully would be in a position to be able let us use there home in Islamorada??as base station, you should be at a point with your new boat to bring it for sea trials and we could also include the technical presentations you mention.?? Just a thought. Cliff Cliff On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 07:57:57 AM CST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: We can build it sufficiently around the European event, that's not an issue.? Maybe end of June?? Or October. Jon On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 08:10:01 PM EST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, Thanks for the update. Here is my input : ) A non-diving convention (tech presentations & social activities) would still have value in my opinion. Seems like there have been several diving opportunities in the past few years but not so much on the technical presentation front. I am interested in attending.? Let me know how I can assist. also, I (maybe others?) am planning on attending the European convention this year so it would be nice if the dates didn't conflict. Steve On February 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Yes, we should have one this year. This has been on my mind so a good nudge to get us discussing it.? Last summer Cliff and I had started talking about another convention in the Keys.? With two expeditions completed and a number of projects coming to term there is a lot of information we can sure.? However, we are highly dependent upon the Suhrs for diving purposes in the Keys and were notified in October that unforeseen circumstances would prevent them from being in the Keys for most of the year. We could have a non-diving convention with static displays here in the Keys (or somewhere else), or try to set up a diving convention at another location.? For sure, we have plenty of material for at least one day of technical presentations. Suggestions? Jon_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Feb 16 12:14:07 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 17:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <319761916.3713424.1581866988992@mail.yahoo.com> References: <912592583.3771009.1581861420316@mail.yahoo.com> <319761916.3713424.1581866988992@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2139905264.3822955.1581873247589@mail.yahoo.com> I kind of hate to think of putting it off another year.? There are a number of options, one being we move the diving location this year to a more central point in the country.? Another being that we combine it with the Maine expedition, if that expedition actually occurs.? I haven't seen any update on it, or potential dates.? But our convention date is flexible.? And a third option is to just have technical presentations.? Technical conventions were all we had for years and seemed to work ok.? One benefit with them is that they can just be a weekend event instead of a week-long event.? As much as I enjoy the diving part of a convention, they are much more difficult to plan and execute, and it's also difficult to incorporate everyone into the actual dive unless it is close to shore. So, pros/cons with both.? I think Carsten has the right idea, technical presentations for all but limit the diving to a core group of people.? In any event, I would want you (Cliff) and Hank as primary presenters for past expeditions.? David Colombo, Alec, Brian, Hank and myself for project presenters.? And that's not to exclude anyone else, I just don't know everyone that is working on a project that might be able to share their story.? Maybe Scott, Steve or Vance could tell us about their experience with the Pisces project.? It seems like we're at a point where there is a lot of information to share and if we had a technical only convention it could work well. Cliff, Hank, David, Alec, Brian, Scott, Steve, Vance,...anyone else that might want to share a topic, what's your availability for May, June, July, Sept, Oct?? What about setting a recurring date for our US Psubs conventions so we always know when they will occur and can plan other events around it. Jon On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 10:31:57 AM EST, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, with a 2020 Islamorada event, it would make three psub events this year: 1)?2020 Islamorda Psub convention, 2)?Rostock Germany SubSeaSail European PSub event and 3) probably an InnerspaceScience.org expedition?in Maine.? Granted not all will attend all three events but some like me might want to.? I am not sure how many would come to PSub convention with no diving event around a submersible.? As an alternative, I would like to see us put off the Islamorada convention into 2021.? By that time the Suhr's hopefully would be in a position to be able let us use there home in Islamorada??as base station, you should be at a point with your new boat to bring it for sea trials and we could also include the technical presentations you mention.?? Just a thought. Cliff Cliff On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 07:57:57 AM CST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: We can build it sufficiently around the European event, that's not an issue.? Maybe end of June?? Or October. Jon On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 08:10:01 PM EST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, Thanks for the update. Here is my input : ) A non-diving convention (tech presentations & social activities) would still have value in my opinion. Seems like there have been several diving opportunities in the past few years but not so much on the technical presentation front. I am interested in attending.? Let me know how I can assist. also, I (maybe others?) am planning on attending the European convention this year so it would be nice if the dates didn't conflict. Steve On February 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Yes, we should have one this year. This has been on my mind so a good nudge to get us discussing it.? Last summer Cliff and I had started talking about another convention in the Keys.? With two expeditions completed and a number of projects coming to term there is a lot of information we can sure.? However, we are highly dependent upon the Suhrs for diving purposes in the Keys and were notified in October that unforeseen circumstances would prevent them from being in the Keys for most of the year. We could have a non-diving convention with static displays here in the Keys (or somewhere else), or try to set up a diving convention at another location.? For sure, we have plenty of material for at least one day of technical presentations. 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The winner can get guest ride on some of the subs. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention Datum: 2020-02-16T18:15:25+0100 Von: "Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles" I kind of hate to think of putting it off another year. There are a number of options, one being we move the diving location this year to a more central point in the country. Another being that we combine it with the Maine expedition, if that expedition actually occurs. I haven't seen any update on it, or potential dates. But our convention date is flexible. And a third option is to just have technical presentations. Technical conventions were all we had for years and seemed to work ok. One benefit with them is that they can just be a weekend event instead of a week-long event. As much as I enjoy the diving part of a convention, they are much more difficult to plan and execute, and it's also difficult to incorporate everyone into the actual dive unless it is close to shore. So, pros/cons with both. I think Carsten has the right idea, technical presentations for all but limit the diving to a core group of people. In any event, I would want you (Cliff) and Hank as primary presenters for past expeditions. David Colombo, Alec, Brian, Hank and myself for project presenters. And that's not to exclude anyone else, I just don't know everyone that is working on a project that might be able to share their story. Maybe Scott, Steve or Vance could tell us about their experience with the Pisces project. It seems like we're at a point where there is a lot of information to share and if we had a technical only convention it could work well. Cliff, Hank, David, Alec, Brian, Scott, Steve, Vance,...anyone else that might want to share a topic, what's your availability for May, June, July, Sept, Oct? What about setting a recurring date for our US Psubs conventions so we always know when they will occur and can plan other events around it. Jon On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 10:31:57 AM EST, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, with a 2020 Islamorada event, it would make three psub events this year: 1) 2020 Islamorda Psub convention, 2) Rostock Germany SubSeaSail European PSub event and 3) probably an InnerspaceScience.org expedition in Maine. Granted not all will attend all three events but some like me might want to. I am not sure how many would come to PSub convention with no diving event around a submersible. As an alternative, I would like to see us put off the Islamorada convention into 2021. By that time the Suhr's hopefully would be in a position to be able let us use there home in Islamorada as base station, you should be at a point with your new boat to bring it for sea trials and we could also include the technical presentations you mention. Just a thought. Cliff Cliff On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 07:57:57 AM CST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: We can build it sufficiently around the European event, that's not an issue. Maybe end of June? Or October. Jon On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 08:10:01 PM EST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, Thanks for the update. Here is my input : ) A non-diving convention (tech presentations & social activities) would still have value in my opinion. Seems like there have been several diving opportunities in the past few years but not so much on the technical presentation front. I am interested in attending. Let me know how I can assist. also, I (maybe others?) am planning on attending the European convention this year so it would be nice if the dates didn't conflict. Steve On February 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Yes, we should have one this year. This has been on my mind so a good nudge to get us discussing it. Last summer Cliff and I had started talking about another convention in the Keys. With two expeditions completed and a number of projects coming to term there is a lot of information we can sure. However, we are highly dependent upon the Suhrs for diving purposes in the Keys and were notified in October that unforeseen circumstances would prevent them from being in the Keys for most of the year. We could have a non-diving convention with static displays here in the Keys (or somewhere else), or try to set up a diving convention at another location. For sure, we have plenty of material for at least one day of technical presentations. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Feb 16 13:13:25 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 18:13:25 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention Message-ID: I guess it is good news our members are getting to be so active and we have multiple events : ) Combining might be a solution. We should ask if the Innerspace event would lend itself to Psub convention attendees being present/involved or would that complicate the Innerspace event? Wasn't sure if the intent was to have crossover between the 2 events if combined or just same location/time frame. I am available (currently) for the months you mentioned. I am willing to help/present if needed. What is going on with the Pisces project is interesting but Scott should bless who and what is shared (I would think). A recurring date approach might be helpful. Maybe alternating between technical and diving conventions is also a consideration. Thanks, Steve -----------------------------------------From: "Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles" Cc: Sent: Sunday February 16 2020 12:14:07PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention I kind of hate to think of putting it off another year. There are a number of options, one being we move the diving location this year to a more central point in the country. Another being that we combine it with the Maine expedition, if that expedition actually occurs. I haven't seen any update on it, or potential dates. But our convention date is flexible. And a third option is to just have technical presentations. Technical conventions were all we had for years and seemed to work ok. One benefit with them is that they can just be a weekend event instead of a week-long event. As much as I enjoy the diving part of a convention, they are much more difficult to plan and execute, and it's also difficult to incorporate everyone into the actual dive unless it is close to shore. So, pros/cons with both. I think Carsten has the right idea, technical presentations for all but limit the diving to a core group of people. In any event, I would want you (Cliff) and Hank as primary presenters for past expeditions. David Colombo, Alec, Brian, Hank and myself for project presenters. And that's not to exclude anyone else, I just don't know everyone that is working on a project that might be able to share their story. Maybe Scott, Steve or Vance could tell us about their experience with the Pisces project. It seems like we're at a point where there is a lot of information to share and if we had a technical only convention it could work well. Cliff, Hank, David, Alec, Brian, Scott, Steve, Vance,...anyone else that might want to share a topic, what's your availability for May, June, July, Sept, Oct? What about setting a recurring date for our US Psubs conventions so we always know when they will occur and can plan other events around it. Jon On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 10:31:57 AM EST, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, with a 2020 Islamorada event, it would make three psub events this year: 1) 2020 Islamorda Psub convention, 2) Rostock Germany SubSeaSail European PSub event and 3) probably an InnerspaceScience.org expedition in Maine. Granted not all will attend all three events but some like me might want to. I am not sure how many would come to PSub convention with no diving event around a submersible. As an alternative, I would like to see us put off the Islamorada convention into 2021. By that time the Suhr's hopefully would be in a position to be able let us use there home in Islamorada as base station, you should be at a point with your new boat to bring it for sea trials and we could also include the technical presentations you mention. Just a thought. Cliff Cliff On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 07:57:57 AM CST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: We can build it sufficiently around the European event, that's not an issue. Maybe end of June? Or October. Jon On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 08:10:01 PM EST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, Thanks for the update. Here is my input : ) A non-diving convention (tech presentations & social activities) would still have value in my opinion. Seems like there have been several diving opportunities in the past few years but not so much on the technical presentation front. I am interested in attending. Let me know how I can assist. also, I (maybe others?) am planning on attending the European convention this year so it would be nice if the dates didn't conflict. Steve On February 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Yes, we should have one this year. This has been on my mind so a good nudge to get us discussing it. Last summer Cliff and I had started talking about another convention in the Keys. With two expeditions completed and a number of projects coming to term there is a lot of information we can sure. However, we are highly dependent upon the Suhrs for diving purposes in the Keys and were notified in October that unforeseen circumstances would prevent them from being in the Keys for most of the year. We could have a non-diving convention with static displays here in the Keys (or somewhere else), or try to set up a diving convention at another location. For sure, we have plenty of material for at least one day of technical presentations. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Feb 16 15:29:43 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:29:43 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <2139905264.3822955.1581873247589@mail.yahoo.com> References: <912592583.3771009.1581861420316@mail.yahoo.com> <319761916.3713424.1581866988992@mail.yahoo.com> <2139905264.3822955.1581873247589@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Regarding the Innerspace expedition, we are in the early planning stages and don't have a date yet but should soon. It's an exploration of Sebago Lake in Maine, in collaboration with St Joseph's College which is local. We have a conference call scheduled for this coming Tuesday at which we expect to receive formally documented science objectives, and next up in the planning process will be to pick dates. The subs in attendance are planned to be Harold and Shackleton (i.e. Brian Hughes and myself). I have a fairly complicated year as I am also on the Pisces team and if Pisces dates change, my availability changes too. But that is why we have two subs planned. As the first step in getting ready, we are also planning two or three days of sea trials and depth tests early in the season. This will be the week of May 15th at Summersville Lake in WV and we plan to have three subs there - the above two plus Steve McQueen's K250 going in the water for the first time. The Summersville location probably doesn't lend itself for presentations, and we're going to have a really crammed agenda trying to depth test three subs in a couple of days. Sebago Lake is probably good for that and we could add a day or two of presentations to the schedule. That said, it's always been a good idea to have a PSUBS member who is local take the lead organizing conventions. Also I know from the past two Innerspace trips that the sub owners will be utterly tied up with sub logistics, field repairs, etc. and trying to have them organize or run a convention on the side doesn't seem like a wise choice. Bottom line... I would suggest that those wanting to see subs dive come join us in Maine, but if it were me I'd organize a separate presentation-style convention. I agree there have been a lot of developments that would make for good presentations. I nominate Brian to organize a presentation convention in Annapolis. He'd be good at it. It's sort of half way between those coming from North or South. Between Mark, Brian, and myself we have four or five subs for people to look at, and can even dive a bit at Mark's even though it isn't wonderful clear water. That's right Brian, I just volunteered you!!! :) Alec On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 12:15 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I kind of hate to think of putting it off another year. There are a > number of options, one being we move the diving location this year to a > more central point in the country. Another being that we combine it with > the Maine expedition, if that expedition actually occurs. I haven't seen > any update on it, or potential dates. But our convention date is > flexible. And a third option is to just have technical presentations. > Technical conventions were all we had for years and seemed to work ok. One > benefit with them is that they can just be a weekend event instead of a > week-long event. As much as I enjoy the diving part of a convention, they > are much more difficult to plan and execute, and it's also difficult to > incorporate everyone into the actual dive unless it is close to shore. > > So, pros/cons with both. I think Carsten has the right idea, technical > presentations for all but limit the diving to a core group of people. In > any event, I would want you (Cliff) and Hank as primary presenters for past > expeditions. David Colombo, Alec, Brian, Hank and myself for project > presenters. And that's not to exclude anyone else, I just don't know > everyone that is working on a project that might be able to share their > story. Maybe Scott, Steve or Vance could tell us about their experience > with the Pisces project. It seems like we're at a point where there is a > lot of information to share and if we had a technical only convention it > could work well. > > Cliff, Hank, David, Alec, Brian, Scott, Steve, Vance,...anyone else that > might want to share a topic, what's your availability for May, June, July, > Sept, Oct? What about setting a recurring date for our US Psubs > conventions so we always know when they will occur and can plan other > events around it. > > Jon > > > > On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 10:31:57 AM EST, Cliff Redus via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Jon, with a 2020 Islamorada event, it would make three psub events this > year: 1) 2020 Islamorda Psub convention, 2) Rostock Germany SubSeaSail > European PSub event and 3) probably an InnerspaceScience.org expedition in > Maine. Granted not all will attend all three events but some like me might > want to. I am not sure how many would come to PSub convention with no > diving event around a submersible. As an alternative, I would like to see > us put off the Islamorada convention into 2021. By that time the Suhr's > hopefully would be in a position to be able let us use there home in > Islamorada as base station, you should be at a point with your new boat > to bring it for sea trials and we could also include the technical > presentations you mention. > > Just a thought. > > Cliff > > > > > > Cliff > > On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 07:57:57 AM CST, Jon Wallace via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > We can build it sufficiently around the European event, that's not an > issue. Maybe end of June? Or October. > > Jon > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 08:10:01 PM EST, Steve McQueen via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Jon, Thanks for the update. Here is my input : ) > > A non-diving convention (tech presentations & social activities) would > still have value in my opinion. Seems like there have been several diving > opportunities in the past few years but not so much on the technical > presentation front. > > I am interested in attending. Let me know how I can assist. > > also, I (maybe others?) am planning on attending the European convention > this year so it would be nice if the dates didn't conflict. > > Steve > > > > > > On February 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Yes, we should have one this year. > > This has been on my mind so a good nudge to get us discussing it. Last > summer Cliff and I had started talking about another convention in the > Keys. With two expeditions completed and a number of projects coming to > term there is a lot of information we can sure. However, we are highly > dependent upon the Suhrs for diving purposes in the Keys and were notified > in October that unforeseen circumstances would prevent them from being in > the Keys for most of the year. > > We could have a non-diving convention with static displays here in the > Keys (or somewhere else), or try to set up a diving convention at another > location. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 17 07:43:34 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:43:34 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SubSeaSail - Submarines and more.. AW: 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <104e3c0fd2ee88c224527489f3f0b3cfb9a98cc8@webmail> References: <104e3c0fd2ee88c224527489f3f0b3cfb9a98cc8@webmail> Message-ID: Myself and Anita are coming also. :) Unfortunately without my boat. I looked into bringing her, but its too expensive. But looks like it will be a great event. On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 00:26, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > See you guys there! > > I am planning on being in the area before and/or after. Hoping to charter > a sailboat to do some sailing in the area as well. Looking forward to > seeing the European Psub contingent. Thanks to all of you organizing this > event. Let me know if I can do anything to help. > > Steve > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion", "via Personal_Submersibles" > Cc: "Rick Maxwell" > Sent: Saturday February 15 2020 1:08:09PM > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SubSeaSail - Submarines and more.. AW: 2020 Psub > Convention > > Dear Guys, > > > > yes there will be a submarine Convention this year in Baltic Coast, > Rostock, Germany from 6-9 August 2020. > > Its now named : > > > > SubSeaSail, Submarines and more.. > > > > The convention ist part of one of the biggest harbour festivals here in > the baltic with a lot of historic sailling ships. > > > > We will have our own harbour basin in the military base at Rostock- > Warenm?nde "Hohe D?ne". > > > > It will include two tents one with short public conference about the world > underwater all half hour > > and one with staic and active displays about the world underwater. > > > > Includes two divers container, one for divers and one for Cosmo and Rov's. > > > > We have confirmation from nine submarines to come. > > Includes: > > > > Euronaut Carsten & Crew L= 16 m > B= 2,5 m G= 58 t > > > > Nemo II Reinhard & Monika L= > m B= m G= 2 t > > > > Nemo 100 Thomas L= > m B= m G= 2 t > > > > Troll Holger > L= 9,1 m B= 1,3 m G= 9,0 t > > > > Tigerhai Thomas & Max L= 5,3 > m B= 1,0 m G= 1,8 t > > > > Cosmo Lars & Stephan L= > m B= m G= 0,5 t > > > > Comet Lars & Stephan L= > m B= m G= t > > > > Drebbel Emile L= > 4,8 m B= 1,9 m G= 2,9 t > > > > Eurosub Holger & Stephan L= 4,2 > m B= 1,9 m G= 2,5 t > > > > Hope to get two mores, including anothewr Tigerhai and Sgt.Peppers. > > > > We have a larger programm for members. Include a "all surfacing together" > on Friday for a TV show. > > Include captains dinner, engineers party and so on. We will have a sea > trail on a historic steam ship. > > > > I am responsible to organize everything around the Sub Sea Sail. > > > > vbr Carsten > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention > > Datum: 2020-02-15T16:13:42+0100 > > Von: "Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > An: "via Personal_Submersibles" > > > > > > > > Rostock, Germany, now that would be a Psub convention to remember! > Emile, do you know which Psubs would be in the area to see/ participate? > On my bucket list is to see both the smallest and largest psubs, Sgt. > Pepper and the Euronaut. Where are you based in Germany? Is Hamburg the > nearest international airport? > > Best > > Sgt. Peppers > > > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 07:48:51 AM CST, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Yes, there is one in Rostock, Germany ? > > 6-9 August 2020 more info to come. > > > > Br .Emile > > > > *Van:* Personal_Submersibles *Namens > *Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 15 februari 2020 14:00 > *Aan:* 'personal_submersibles at psubs.org' > *Onderwerp:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention > > > > Hey Guys, > > I believe I saw some discussion about a Psub convention this year but > nothing lately. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 07:49:55 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 12:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] video In-Reply-To: <002f01d5e79f$39fd3710$adf7a530$@telus.net> References: <1888528135.5493162.1582165420633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1888528135.5493162.1582165420633@mail.yahoo.com> <002f01d5e79f$39fd3710$adf7a530$@telus.net> Message-ID: <1209087379.5631862.1582202995251@mail.yahoo.com> Tim,I drove to the lake and took measurements of the ramp and slope, and based on that ramp I need to back the trailer into the water to 12 inches of water depth. ?I also can put ramp extensions on these ramps that fold out. ?Those extensions would just be 1\8 steel plate because the sub would be extremely light at that point.Hank On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 9:01:01 PM MST, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv5681349222 #yiv5681349222 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv5681349222 #yiv5681349222 p.yiv5681349222MsoNormal, #yiv5681349222 li.yiv5681349222MsoNormal, #yiv5681349222 div.yiv5681349222MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;}#yiv5681349222 h2 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:18.0pt;font-family:New serif;}#yiv5681349222 a:link, #yiv5681349222 span.yiv5681349222MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5681349222 a:visited, #yiv5681349222 span.yiv5681349222MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5681349222 span.yiv5681349222Heading2Char {font-family:sans-serif;color:#2E74B5;}#yiv5681349222 p.yiv5681349222ydpf246214dcard-description, #yiv5681349222 li.yiv5681349222ydpf246214dcard-description, #yiv5681349222 div.yiv5681349222ydpf246214dcard-description {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;}#yiv5681349222 span.yiv5681349222EmailStyle19 {font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;}#yiv5681349222 .yiv5681349222MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {}#yiv5681349222 div.yiv5681349222WordSection1 {}#yiv5681349222 Looks good, Hank.? Will the trailer ramps be able to put the sub into deep enough water to float it from the average boat launch ramp? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 6:24 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] video ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2:00 Now playing Watch later Watch later Add to queue Add to queue ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | | ? | | | | | | New launch system for homemade submarine Here is my new hydraulic launch trailer for my homemade submarine "E3000" If you enjoyed this video check out so... | | | New video of trailer launch system Hank ? ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] video Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 02:23:40 +0000 (UTC) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2:00 Now playing Watch later Watch later Add to queue Add to queue ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | | | | | | | | | | | New launch system for homemade submarine Here is my new hydraulic launch trailer for my homemade submarine "E3000" If you enjoyed this video check out so... | | | New video of trailer launch systemHank _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 09:44:51 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 14:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] video In-Reply-To: <1888528135.5493162.1582165420633@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1888528135.5493162.1582165420633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1888528135.5493162.1582165420633@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1796371931.5705897.1582209891502@mail.yahoo.com> Hank, nice design and function.? I, like Tim had the same concern that it would not extend the sub far enough into the water to let her lift off the off.? Looking forward to seeing a video of launch. Best PS: What is that white stuff on the beach? On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 08:24:45 PM CST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2:00 Now playing Watch later Watch later Add to queue Add to queue ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | | | | | | | | | | | New launch system for homemade submarine Here is my new hydraulic launch trailer for my homemade submarine "E3000" If you enjoyed this video check out so... | | | New video of trailer launch systemHank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 10:53:50 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:53:50 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions Message-ID: All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. Thanks, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 11:35:27 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 16:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1450441945.5773009.1582216527498@mail.yahoo.com> Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks.? About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself.? I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports.? My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections.? After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then.? Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves.? Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to.? To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure.? If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250.? I love the paint job on your boat.? Has she got a name yet?? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. Best On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics)2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. Thanks,Steve _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 11:55:52 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 11:55:52 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: <1450441945.5773009.1582216527498@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1450441945.5773009.1582216527498@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts accordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 > years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat > ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would > not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have > divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is > that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the > incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had > any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba > compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. > Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. > To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability > to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then > aluminum are lower cost. > > We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I > love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised > you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing > for Scott on his Pieces 6. > > Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub > events. > > Best > > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if > anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? > > 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) > 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a > HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity > anyway > 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) > > I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there > isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 12:26:49 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:26:49 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve. Gamma had the same issue We blew an o ring just prior to loading a passenger and David jumped on the sub to save the air Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 20, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ? > Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts accordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? > > My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). > > Steve > > > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. >> >> We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. >> >> Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. >> >> Best >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? >> >> 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) >> 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway >> 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) >> >> I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 13:24:44 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 12:24:44 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a backup HP source. With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. Cliff Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ? > Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? > > My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). > > Steve > > > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. >> >> We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. >> >> Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. >> >> Best >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? >> >> 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) >> 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway >> 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) >> >> I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 13:54:55 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 18:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> References: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <208164515.5837073.1582224895567@mail.yahoo.com> Oh now I get to DuuuuuuHank On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 11:25:04 AM MST, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a backup HP source. With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. Cliff? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts a.ccordingly.?I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? ?My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks.? About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself.? I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports.? My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections.? After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then.? Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves.? Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to.? To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure.? If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250.? I love the paint job on your boat.? Has she got a name yet?? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. Best On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics)2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 14:03:23 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 08:03:23 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, I've got steel tanks. You can interchange them for use with O2 if needed ( after O2 cleaning). Steel tanks are a bit heavier so this may be an advantage or disadvantage depending where you place them! Alan > On 21/02/2020, at 4:53 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? > > 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) > 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway > 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) > > I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 14:22:31 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 11:22:31 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> References: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004c01d5e823$19dd4a90$4d97dfb0$@telus.net> Just a case in point about DIN versus yoke, during the Flathead Lake expedition we blew two yoke O-rings on the Gama scuba tanks. It goes without saying that spare O-rings are a necessary inventory item to have on hand during sub ops. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:25 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a backup HP source. With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. Cliff Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: ? Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. Best On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. 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Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:55 AM To: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions Oh now I get to Duuuuuu Hank On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 11:25:04 AM MST, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a backup HP source. With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. Cliff Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: ? Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. Best On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 14:30:59 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 14:30:59 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: <004c01d5e823$19dd4a90$4d97dfb0$@telus.net> References: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> <004c01d5e823$19dd4a90$4d97dfb0$@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks. Didn't realize yoke O-rings were such an issue. This changes my mind on my valve choice. Appreciate reviewing this topic. Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:23 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Just a case in point about DIN versus yoke, during the Flathead Lake > expedition we blew two yoke O-rings on the Gama scuba tanks. It goes > without saying that spare O-rings are a necessary inventory item to have on > hand during sub ops. > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Cliff Redus via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:25 AM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions > > > > Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a > backup HP source. > > > > With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. > > > > Cliff > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > ? > > Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider > my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI > and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a > nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? > > > > My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 > years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat > ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would > not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have > divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is > that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the > incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had > any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba > compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. > Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. > To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability > to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then > aluminum are lower cost. > > > > We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I > love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised > you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing > for Scott on his Pieces 6. > > > > Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub > events. > > > > Best > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 15:08:14 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:08:14 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> <004c01d5e823$19dd4a90$4d97dfb0$@telus.net> Message-ID: Steve, most o-ring failures are on the surface, & you will hear a leak straight away. When they leak under water it is normally a slow leak. It's recommended that you look at your O-ring as part of a pre dive check. Some divers spit on them prior to assembly to grease them up a bit. The O-rings are normally replaced in an annual visual inspection. Maybe just make sure you have new O-rings & carry spares. 10s of thousands of divers are using them & they are a lot more vulnerable than you who will be using them for blowing ballast. Great Escape was a great movie. You could have named it "The Blob" Alan > On 21/02/2020, at 8:30 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Thanks. Didn't realize yoke O-rings were such an issue. This changes my mind on my valve choice. > Appreciate reviewing this topic. > > Steve > >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:23 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Just a case in point about DIN versus yoke, during the Flathead Lake expedition we blew two yoke O-rings on the Gama scuba tanks. It goes without saying that spare O-rings are a necessary inventory item to have on hand during sub ops. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles >> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:25 AM >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions >> >> >> >> Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a backup HP source. >> >> >> >> With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. >> >> >> >> Cliff >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? >> >> >> >> My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. >> >> >> >> We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. >> >> >> >> Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. >> >> >> >> Best >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? >> >> >> >> 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) >> >> 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway >> >> 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) >> >> >> >> I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 15:10:45 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 12:10:45 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> <004c01d5e823$19dd4a90$4d97dfb0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <006701d5e829$d6708860$83519920$@telus.net> To be fair, in 40 years of scuba with a yoke regulator, including with my family of five divers, I have only experienced one other O-ring failure on the tank valve. I have also experienced two failed internal regulator O-rings and two failed regulator low pressure hoses. In each case the tank valve regulator O-rings failed upon the initial pressurizing, not ever during a dive, which in the case of the tank valves allowed quick and easy replacement. Careful inspection to ensure that the O-ring is properly seated and then slowly turning on the gas usually prevents failure unless the O-ring is getting old and inflexible. In the case of the two low pressure hose failures, the first was about 10 years old and its replacement just one year old. Late model yokes are rated to 5000psi and have a good reputation. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:31 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions Thanks. Didn't realize yoke O-rings were such an issue. This changes my mind on my valve choice. Appreciate reviewing this topic. Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:23 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Just a case in point about DIN versus yoke, during the Flathead Lake expedition we blew two yoke O-rings on the Gama scuba tanks. It goes without saying that spare O-rings are a necessary inventory item to have on hand during sub ops. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:25 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a backup HP source. With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. Cliff Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: ? Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. Best On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 15:15:25 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:15:25 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> <004c01d5e823$19dd4a90$4d97dfb0$@telus.net> Message-ID: Hank, Just wondering, with those O-ring failures mentioned, were you travelling with the tanks fitted on your sub & yokes on? If so there might have been a lot of rotary movement on the dry O-rings while bumping around on a long trip. Alan > On 21/02/2020, at 9:08 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Steve, > most o-ring failures are on the surface, & you will hear a leak straight away. > When they leak under water it is normally a slow leak. > It's recommended that you look at your O-ring as part of a pre dive check. > Some divers spit on them prior to assembly to grease them up a bit. > The O-rings are normally replaced in an annual visual inspection. > Maybe just make sure you have new O-rings & carry spares. > 10s of thousands of divers are using them & they are a lot more vulnerable > than you who will be using them for blowing ballast. > Great Escape was a great movie. You could have named it "The Blob" > Alan > > > >> On 21/02/2020, at 8:30 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Thanks. Didn't realize yoke O-rings were such an issue. This changes my mind on my valve choice. >> Appreciate reviewing this topic. >> >> Steve >> >>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:23 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Just a case in point about DIN versus yoke, during the Flathead Lake expedition we blew two yoke O-rings on the Gama scuba tanks. It goes without saying that spare O-rings are a necessary inventory item to have on hand during sub ops. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles >>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:25 AM >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions >>> >>> >>> >>> Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a backup HP source. >>> >>> >>> >>> With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cliff >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? >>> >>> >>> >>> My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. >>> >>> >>> >>> We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. >>> >>> >>> >>> Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? >>> >>> >>> >>> 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) >>> >>> 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway >>> >>> 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) >>> >>> >>> >>> I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 15:44:14 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:44:14 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> <004c01d5e823$19dd4a90$4d97dfb0$@telus.net> Message-ID: Hi Steve, I concur with everyone else regarding DIN. But one thing to point out is that modern DIN fittings come with a little screw-in adapter that turns them into yoke fittings. So in the event you needed to grab a tank and put an old regulator on it, you can still do so. Best, Alec On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 3:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hank, > Just wondering, with those O-ring failures mentioned, were you travelling > with the tanks fitted on your sub & yokes on? > If so there might have been a lot of rotary movement on the dry O-rings > while > bumping around on a long trip. > Alan > > > On 21/02/2020, at 9:08 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Steve, > most o-ring failures are on the surface, & you will hear a leak straight > away. > When they leak under water it is normally a slow leak. > It's recommended that you look at your O-ring as part of a pre dive check. > Some divers spit on them prior to assembly to grease them up a bit. > The O-rings are normally replaced in an annual visual inspection. > Maybe just make sure you have new O-rings & carry spares. > 10s of thousands of divers are using them & they are a lot more vulnerable > than you who will be using them for blowing ballast. > Great Escape was a great movie. You could have named it "The Blob" > Alan > > > > On 21/02/2020, at 8:30 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thanks. Didn't realize yoke O-rings were such an issue. This changes my > mind on my valve choice. > Appreciate reviewing this topic. > > Steve > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:23 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Just a case in point about DIN versus yoke, during the Flathead Lake >> expedition we blew two yoke O-rings on the Gama scuba tanks. It goes >> without saying that spare O-rings are a necessary inventory item to have on >> hand during sub ops. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Cliff Redus via >> Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:25 AM >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions >> >> >> >> Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a >> backup HP source. >> >> >> >> With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. >> >> >> >> Cliff >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider >> my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI >> and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a >> nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? >> >> >> >> My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About >> 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat >> ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would >> not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have >> divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is >> that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the >> incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had >> any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba >> compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. >> Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. >> To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability >> to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then >> aluminum are lower cost. >> >> >> >> We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. >> I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised >> you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing >> for Scott on his Pieces 6. >> >> >> >> Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub >> events. >> >> >> >> Best >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see >> if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? >> >> >> >> 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy >> characteristics) >> >> 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a >> HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity >> anyway >> >> 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) >> >> >> >> I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems >> there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 15:56:26 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 12:56:26 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: <006701d5e829$d6708860$83519920$@telus.net> References: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> <004c01d5e823$19dd4a90$4d97dfb0$@telus.net> <006701d5e829$d6708860$83519920$@telus.net> Message-ID: <008201d5e830$38887980$a9996c80$@telus.net> Oop, just had lunch with my wonderful wife and she reminded me that during the tank change over during a boat dive in the Bahamas two weeks ago the O-ring on her tank failed on pressure-up. The dive boat had plenty of tanks available to switch out so no problem. I subsequently removed the O-ring and noted that it had a slight tear but was not otherwise broken. The dive boat operator probably just replaces O-rings when necessary. So that's now one personal O-ring failure, two sub op O-ring failures, and one recreational dive boat O-ring failure. Not a lot, really. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:11 PM To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions To be fair, in 40 years of scuba with a yoke regulator, including with my family of five divers, I have only experienced one other O-ring failure on the tank valve. I have also experienced two failed internal regulator O-rings and two failed regulator low pressure hoses. In each case the tank valve regulator O-rings failed upon the initial pressurizing, not ever during a dive, which in the case of the tank valves allowed quick and easy replacement. Careful inspection to ensure that the O-ring is properly seated and then slowly turning on the gas usually prevents failure unless the O-ring is getting old and inflexible. In the case of the two low pressure hose failures, the first was about 10 years old and its replacement just one year old. Late model yokes are rated to 5000psi and have a good reputation. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:31 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions Thanks. Didn't realize yoke O-rings were such an issue. This changes my mind on my valve choice. Appreciate reviewing this topic. Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:23 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Just a case in point about DIN versus yoke, during the Flathead Lake expedition we blew two yoke O-rings on the Gama scuba tanks. It goes without saying that spare O-rings are a necessary inventory item to have on hand during sub ops. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:25 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a backup HP source. With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. Cliff Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: ? Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. Best On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 15:59:15 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 12:59:15 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> <004c01d5e823$19dd4a90$4d97dfb0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <008701d5e830$9d1067f0$d73137d0$@telus.net> Alec, Is there an adaptor that would allow a yoke valve to be used with a DIN hose fitting? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:44 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions Hi Steve, I concur with everyone else regarding DIN. But one thing to point out is that modern DIN fittings come with a little screw-in adapter that turns them into yoke fittings. So in the event you needed to grab a tank and put an old regulator on it, you can still do so. Best, Alec On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 3:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hank, Just wondering, with those O-ring failures mentioned, were you travelling with the tanks fitted on your sub & yokes on? If so there might have been a lot of rotary movement on the dry O-rings while bumping around on a long trip. Alan On 21/02/2020, at 9:08 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Steve, most o-ring failures are on the surface, & you will hear a leak straight away. When they leak under water it is normally a slow leak. It's recommended that you look at your O-ring as part of a pre dive check. Some divers spit on them prior to assembly to grease them up a bit. The O-rings are normally replaced in an annual visual inspection. Maybe just make sure you have new O-rings & carry spares. 10s of thousands of divers are using them & they are a lot more vulnerable than you who will be using them for blowing ballast. Great Escape was a great movie. You could have named it "The Blob" Alan On 21/02/2020, at 8:30 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Thanks. Didn't realize yoke O-rings were such an issue. This changes my mind on my valve choice. Appreciate reviewing this topic. Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:23 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Just a case in point about DIN versus yoke, during the Flathead Lake expedition we blew two yoke O-rings on the Gama scuba tanks. It goes without saying that spare O-rings are a necessary inventory item to have on hand during sub ops. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:25 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a backup HP source. With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. Cliff Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: ? Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. Best On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 16:21:43 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 21:21:43 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> <004c01d5e823$19dd4a90$4d97dfb0$@telus.net> Message-ID: This is only possible with 200 / 232 bar DIN valve outlets, because they are shallow enough to accommodate a SCUBA yoke (CGA 850) over the valve pillar. So-called 300 bar DIN valves are identical to the 200 / 232 bar type with the exception of being slightly deeper, with (IIRC) seven full threads of engagement, but you can't get inserts for them because most SCUBA yokes won't fit over them. The benefit of the DIN is of course that the O-ring is actually captive within a gland on the male end, and so is much more resistant to extrusion than the CGA 850 connection. For diving, I use the deeper (300 bar) DIN connections wherever possible, because a diving regulator first stage DIN stem will seat fully into them and doesn't leave a gap between the DIN handwheel and the valve pillar, which can be an entrapment hazard. For sub applications, this is probably less critical. In any case, saliva should not be used as an O-ring lubricant. Valve to regulator O-rings are intended to be static in service and do not need to be lubricated, although doing so can extend their service life because rotary motion when tightening the connection can precipitate failures of the elastomer. The tradeoff is that the O-rings are more prone to extrusion when lubricated, and are also prone to attract and retain particulate contaminants when exposed. If you choose to lubricate, do so with a proper oxygen-compatible performance lubricant (e.g. Christolube), just as you would with dynamic O-rings, and use only enough lube to make it shiny. Always have spare O-rings on hand, and make sure you have a set of brass or plastic O-ring picks / extraction tools which are soft enough to not scratch the sealing surfaces when you go to change out a seal. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Feb. 20, 2020, 13:44, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I concur with everyone else regarding DIN. But one thing to point out is that modern DIN fittings come with a little screw-in adapter that turns them into yoke fittings. So in the event you needed to grab a tank and put an old regulator on it, you can still do so. > > Best, > Alec > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 3:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Hank, >> Just wondering, with those O-ring failures mentioned, were you travelling >> with the tanks fitted on your sub & yokes on? >> If so there might have been a lot of rotary movement on the dry O-rings while >> bumping around on a long trip. >> Alan >> >> On 21/02/2020, at 9:08 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> Steve, >>> most o-ring failures are on the surface, & you will hear a leak straight away. >>> When they leak under water it is normally a slow leak. >>> It's recommended that you look at your O-ring as part of a pre dive check. >>> Some divers spit on them prior to assembly to grease them up a bit. >>> The O-rings are normally replaced in an annual visual inspection. >>> Maybe just make sure you have new O-rings & carry spares. >>> 10s of thousands of divers are using them & they are a lot more vulnerable >>> than you who will be using them for blowing ballast. >>> Great Escape was a great movie. You could have named it "The Blob" >>> Alan >>> >>> On 21/02/2020, at 8:30 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. Didn't realize yoke O-rings were such an issue. This changes my mind on my valve choice. >>>> Appreciate reviewing this topic. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:23 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just a case in point about DIN versus yoke, during the Flathead Lake expedition we blew two yoke O-rings on the Gama scuba tanks. It goes without saying that spare O-rings are a necessary inventory item to have on hand during sub ops. >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:25 AM >>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions >>>>> >>>>> Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a backup HP source. >>>>> >>>>> With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. >>>>> >>>>> Cliff >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? >>>>>> >>>>>> My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 16:27:21 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 21:27:21 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: <008701d5e830$9d1067f0$d73137d0$@telus.net> References: <77E448C3-2A74-4C77-8FA8-D4CC1B823EBA@gmail.com> <004c01d5e823$19dd4a90$4d97dfb0$@telus.net> <008701d5e830$9d1067f0$d73137d0$@telus.net> Message-ID: I have a few of these. I use DIN equipped regulators exclusively, so the yoke to DIN adapters allow me to use rental or other cylinders which may not be available in DIN. The downside to this, other than having to deal with the yoke screw at all, is that the female DIN on the adapter necessarily adds a bit of length over a native connection, and of course you have two seals instead of one with the adapter installed. Cliff used one of these on his compressor fill whip, so it is native DIN, but can be adapted in seconds to fill CGA 850. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Feb. 20, 2020, 13:59, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Alec, > Is there an adaptor that would allow a yoke valve to be used with a DIN hose fitting? > Tim > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:44 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions > > Hi Steve, > > I concur with everyone else regarding DIN. But one thing to point out is that modern DIN fittings come with a little screw-in adapter that turns them into yoke fittings. So in the event you needed to grab a tank and put an old regulator on it, you can still do so. > > Best, > Alec > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 3:16 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Hank, >> >> Just wondering, with those O-ring failures mentioned, were you travelling >> >> with the tanks fitted on your sub & yokes on? >> >> If so there might have been a lot of rotary movement on the dry O-rings while >> >> bumping around on a long trip. >> >> Alan >> >> On 21/02/2020, at 9:08 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> Steve, >>> >>> most o-ring failures are on the surface, & you will hear a leak straight away. >>> >>> When they leak under water it is normally a slow leak. >>> >>> It's recommended that you look at your O-ring as part of a pre dive check. >>> >>> Some divers spit on them prior to assembly to grease them up a bit. >>> >>> The O-rings are normally replaced in an annual visual inspection. >>> >>> Maybe just make sure you have new O-rings & carry spares. >>> >>> 10s of thousands of divers are using them & they are a lot more vulnerable >>> >>> than you who will be using them for blowing ballast. >>> >>> Great Escape was a great movie. You could have named it "The Blob" >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> On 21/02/2020, at 8:30 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. Didn't realize yoke O-rings were such an issue. This changes my mind on my valve choice. >>>> >>>> Appreciate reviewing this topic. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:23 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just a case in point about DIN versus yoke, during the Flathead Lake expedition we blew two yoke O-rings on the Gama scuba tanks. It goes without saying that spare O-rings are a necessary inventory item to have on hand during sub ops. >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:25 AM >>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions >>>>> >>>>> Mine are aluminum for primary and I have a composite tank internal as a backup HP source. >>>>> >>>>> With a name like yours, you could not find a better boat name. >>>>> >>>>> Cliff >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider my thoughts a.ccordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? >>>>>> >>>>>> My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then aluminum are lower cost. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing for Scott on his Pieces 6. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity anyway >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 20:02:14 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:02:14 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And that was an exciting moment!!!! On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 9:27 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Steve. Gamma had the same issue > We blew an o ring just prior to loading a passenger and David jumped on > the sub to save the air > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 20, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > ? > Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider > my thoughts accordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI > and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a > nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? > > My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). > > Steve > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About >> 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat >> ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would >> not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have >> divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is >> that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the >> incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had >> any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba >> compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. >> Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. >> To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability >> to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then >> aluminum are lower cost. >> >> We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. >> I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised >> you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing >> for Scott on his Pieces 6. >> >> Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub >> events. >> >> Best >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see >> if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? >> >> 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy >> characteristics) >> 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a >> HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity >> anyway >> 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) >> >> I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems >> there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 20 20:26:27 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:26:27 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve, I am using 3 alum 80's with standard yoke on the SeaQuestor. Spare orings always available. I chose this over din, just for or the fact that more tanks are sold with the standard yoke, and in the event i need quick replacement tanks, i dont need to look for din valve tanks. The oring issue we had on the gamma, i believe was caused by an improper seating of the whip to the yoke when the tank was replaced prior to the dive. It was only discovered after we were on statation and turning on the air that it became an exciting moment. In my predive checklist, all tank yokes are to be checked by the same person after an oring inspection. And off course spare orings on board the sub and support vessel. David On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:54 AM Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see if > anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? > > 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy characteristics) > 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a > HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity > anyway > 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) > > I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems there > isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Feb 21 05:39:08 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:39:08 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scuba Tank Purchase Questions In-Reply-To: References: <1450441945.5773009.1582216527498@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve. Great name. I had to think about it for a moment though... :) Make sure you pack a baseball glove and ball in, just incase you get stuck in solitary... Ive actually got the exact model of bike he jumps over the fence with at the end. Anyway, like everyone has said, DIN. The ones you get here nearly always have a screw in adapter for yoke fitting. Regards James On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 16:57, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider > my thoughts accordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI > and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a > nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? > > My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). > > Steve > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About >> 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat >> ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would >> not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have >> divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is >> that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the >> incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had >> any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba >> compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. >> Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. >> To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability >> to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then >> aluminum are lower cost. >> >> We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. >> I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised >> you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing >> for Scott on his Pieces 6. >> >> Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub >> events. >> >> Best >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see >> if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? >> >> 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy >> characteristics) >> 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against a >> HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that capacity >> anyway >> 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) >> >> I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems >> there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had to think about it for a moment though... :) Make sure > you pack a baseball glove and ball in, just incase you get stuck in > solitary... > > Ive actually got the exact model of bike he jumps over the fence with at > the end. > > Anyway, like everyone has said, DIN. The ones you get here nearly always > have a screw in adapter for yoke fitting. > Regards > James > > > > On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 16:57, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Cliff, thanks. Good to hear about actual field issues. I will reconsider >> my thoughts accordingly. I have completed my contribution for Pisces VI >> and have refocused on finishing my project. Having your own compressor is a >> nice advantage. Are your MBT HP tanks aluminum or steel? >> >> My K-250 is named "The Great Escape" (get it?). >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:36 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Steve, if it were me, I would go with DIN fitting on scuba tanks. About >>> 2 years after I built my boat I had an O-ring blow while I was on the boat >>> ramp ready to launch. If this would have happened during a dive, I would >>> not have been unable to blow my MBTs by myself. I would have had to have >>> divers to manually inflate my MBT with open vent ports. My experience is >>> that most scuba shops can fill scuba tanks with DIN connections. After the >>> incident, I switched my MBT HP air supply to DIN values and have never had >>> any trouble since then. Also, last year I purchased a portable scuba >>> compressor that came with an adapter to let you fill Yoke or DIN valves. >>> Also this compressor is capable of filling a steel HP tank if I want to. >>> To me, the real benefit of steel tanks with DIN connections is the ability >>> to fill to a higher pressure. If you don't need the higher pressure, then >>> aluminum are lower cost. >>> >>> We are all looking forward to your sea trials for your lime green K250. >>> I love the paint job on your boat. Has she got a name yet? I am surprised >>> you have had any time to work on your boat with the PLC work you been doing >>> for Scott on his Pieces 6. >>> >>> Looking forward to catching up with you this year at one of the psub >>> events. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:59 AM CST, Steve McQueen via >>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> All, getting ready to buy 2 scuba tanks for my K250. Just wanted to see >>> if anyone had an opinion of my thoughts? >>> >>> 1) Choosing steel vs. aluminum (prefer its weight/buoyancy >>> characteristics) >>> 2) While I was wanting as much air volume as possible I decided against >>> a HP version as I have heard most places won't (can't?) fill to that >>> capacity anyway >>> 3) Deciding on standard pressure steel 80s with K-valve (yoke fitting) >>> >>> I've been watching for a while (including Black Friday) but it seems >>> there isn't much mark up and these tanks don't appear to go on sale. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I bought my external hoses and DIN connectors from Northeast Scuba Supply. They have a lot of standard sized hoses and will also make you a custom length. They're my "go to" for everything fill whips and adapters. http://www.northeastscubasupply.com/oxygen-stuff/ Get Outlook for Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Feb 23 21:43:14 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:43:14 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first launch In-Reply-To: <193565947.7192861.1582511598231@mail.yahoo.com> References: <193565947.7192861.1582511598231@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When you say ?I can?t wait? you mean it literally. Good luck! At least don?t go alone, ok? Alec > On Feb 23, 2020, at 9:34 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ? > Tomorrow is the first test in Kootenay Lake for E3000, as long as the roads are okay. > Hank > <87389582_1405983596240583_6729342054859538432_n.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Feb 23 23:11:18 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 20:11:18 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first launch In-Reply-To: <193565947.7192861.1582511598231@mail.yahoo.com> References: <193565947.7192861.1582511598231.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <193565947.7192861.1582511598231@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01d5eac8$77a66510$66f32f30$@telus.net> Looks good, Hank. Don't hit an iceberg. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 6:33 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first launch Tomorrow is the first test in Kootenay Lake for E3000, as long as the roads are okay. Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 00:27:26 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:27:26 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first launch Message-ID: <20200223212726.5FA578E1@m0117460.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first launch Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 02:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Tomorrow is the first test in Kootenay Lake for E3000, as long as the roads are okay.Hank_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 07:58:15 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first launch In-Reply-To: <004f01d5eac8$77a66510$66f32f30$@telus.net> References: <193565947.7192861.1582511598231.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <193565947.7192861.1582511598231@mail.yahoo.com> <004f01d5eac8$77a66510$66f32f30$@telus.net> Message-ID: <1452606309.7348183.1582549095249@mail.yahoo.com> Tim, its E3000 not Titanic LOLHank On Sunday, February 23, 2020, 9:11:34 PM MST, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv6895520347 #yiv6895520347 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv6895520347 #yiv6895520347 p.yiv6895520347MsoNormal, #yiv6895520347 li.yiv6895520347MsoNormal, #yiv6895520347 div.yiv6895520347MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;}#yiv6895520347 a:link, #yiv6895520347 span.yiv6895520347MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6895520347 a:visited, #yiv6895520347 span.yiv6895520347MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6895520347 span.yiv6895520347EmailStyle17 {font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;}#yiv6895520347 .yiv6895520347MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {}#yiv6895520347 div.yiv6895520347WordSection1 {}#yiv6895520347 Looks good, Hank.? Don't hit an iceberg. Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 6:33 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first launch ? Tomorrow is the first test in Kootenay Lake for E3000, as long as the roads are okay. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 08:01:26 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first launch In-Reply-To: References: <193565947.7192861.1582511598231@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1229190091.7327225.1582549286351@mail.yahoo.com> Alec, patience is not my best quality, because I have none! ?This is really just a launch test, and to see how close I am to balanced etc. ?I have a couple friends out in that area that will be helping me today. ?No more single handed sub trips. ?I think my wife is making a Tee shirt that says that.Hank On Sunday, February 23, 2020, 8:52:06 PM MST, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: When you say ?I can?t wait? you mean it literally. Good luck! At least don?t go alone, ok? Alec On Feb 23, 2020, at 9:34 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Tomorrow is the first test in Kootenay Lake for E3000, as long as the roads are okay.Hank<87389582_1405983596240583_6729342054859538432_n.jpg>_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They're my "go to" for everything fill whips and > adapters. > > http://www.northeastscubasupply.com/oxygen-stuff/ > > Get Outlook for Android > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 10:47:30 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:47:30 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention Message-ID: <5e53f01e.1c69fb81.7c094.289e@mx.google.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 11:41:50 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:41:50 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <5e53f01e.1c69fb81.7c094.289e@mx.google.com> References: <5e53f01e.1c69fb81.7c094.289e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000201d5eb31$50ff9670$f2fec350$@telus.net> Would Psubbers in the west be interested in having a convention/sub meet at Whiskeytown Lake near Redding, CA? The park may still have closure issues due to the recent wildfires, but I could check into the feasibility. I know of no limnology research need in that area, so it would not be Innerspace oriented. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 7:48 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention OK ? I?m back home after two weeks of back to back traveling and trying to catch up on things. *IF* we could pull together something from this summer in the Annapolis, Maryland area, who would be interested? We?d need to find venue pretty quickly. As Alec mentioned, there are a number of submarines in our area, OTOH, many of us will also be busy with other things. Alex and crew getting that big sub out West ready to dive and then there?s a potential science trip up to Maine in last summer, early Fall. My wife is leading a trip to Israel late September/early October, but I?m basically around the rest of the year. We had access to an amazing little quarry locally that would have been a hoot for dive day, but lost access to it when the County found it infested with Zebra mussels. Clean your gear kiddies. Now no one can use it. There?s another, larger and deeper quarry coming online this spring that might be a possibility, but it?s an unknown. There?s access to the Chesapeake Bay, but the vis is pretty awful in the summer. Thoughts? Brian www.Tehom.net Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 11:49:52 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:49:52 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <5e53f01e.1c69fb81.7c094.289e@mx.google.com> References: <5e53f01e.1c69fb81.7c094.289e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000701d5eb32$70792f60$516b8e20$@telus.net> One of the best features of the Flathead Lake expedition was that we were provided at cost accommodations at the University of Montana within a popular summer tourist location during the high season. We typically want to operate during the summer high season at popular lake locations, which makes acquiring accommodations difficult. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 7:48 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention OK ? I?m back home after two weeks of back to back traveling and trying to catch up on things. *IF* we could pull together something from this summer in the Annapolis, Maryland area, who would be interested? We?d need to find venue pretty quickly. As Alec mentioned, there are a number of submarines in our area, OTOH, many of us will also be busy with other things. Alex and crew getting that big sub out West ready to dive and then there?s a potential science trip up to Maine in last summer, early Fall. My wife is leading a trip to Israel late September/early October, but I?m basically around the rest of the year. We had access to an amazing little quarry locally that would have been a hoot for dive day, but lost access to it when the County found it infested with Zebra mussels. Clean your gear kiddies. Now no one can use it. There?s another, larger and deeper quarry coming online this spring that might be a possibility, but it?s an unknown. There?s access to the Chesapeake Bay, but the vis is pretty awful in the summer. Thoughts? Brian www.Tehom.net Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 12:17:21 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:17:21 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <5e53f01e.1c69fb81.7c094.289e@mx.google.com> References: <5e53f01e.1c69fb81.7c094.289e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I can see an Annapolis convention as a mainly presentation convention, with a day to kick sub tires and if people want some next-to-the-dock dives. For those wanting to get more involved in dive operations, there should also be the possibility of tagging along in Maine or in the prep dives leading up to that, but those are different animals in that I don't think there would be time for presentations. For my part, Shackleton has given me a number of presentation topics I could contribute. And then there's also new one coming together right now. I'm mid way through building a manipulator arm based on Hank's design. Hank provided photos and advice, and I'm producing things like drawings and parts list, and trying to tweak things to make it wasy to build. This will become a PSUBS open source manipulator. Best, Alec On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:48 AM Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > OK ? I?m back home after two weeks of back to back traveling and trying to > catch up on things. > > > > **IF** we could pull together something from this summer in the > Annapolis, Maryland area, who would be interested? We?d need to find venue > pretty quickly. > > > > As Alec mentioned, there are a number of submarines in our area, OTOH, > many of us will also be busy with other things. Alex and crew getting that > big sub out West ready to dive and then there?s a potential science trip up > to Maine in last summer, early Fall. My wife is leading a trip to Israel > late September/early October, but I?m basically around the rest of the year. > > > > We had access to an amazing little quarry locally that would have been a > hoot for dive day, but lost access to it when the County found it infested > with Zebra mussels. Clean your gear kiddies. Now no one can use it. > There?s another, larger and deeper quarry coming online this spring that > might be a possibility, but it?s an unknown. > > > > There?s access to the Chesapeake Bay, but the vis is pretty awful in the > summer. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Brian > > www.Tehom.net > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 13:32:58 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 18:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <5e53f01e.1c69fb81.7c094.289e@mx.google.com> References: <5e53f01e.1c69fb81.7c094.289e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <887716583.7517341.1582569178651@mail.yahoo.com> I for one am in for a Psub convention in Annapolis Maryland this summer.? I have not spoke with him yet but I am hoping to get Rick Maxwell (Maxi) to attend as well.? I like the format that Alex suggest.? We would not be bringing the R300, just flying in for the convention. Best On Monday, February 24, 2020, 09:48:30 AM CST, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? OK ? I?m back home after two weeks of back to back traveling and trying to catch up on things. ? *IF* we could pull together something from this summer in the Annapolis, Maryland area, who would be interested?? We?d need to find venue pretty quickly. ? As Alec mentioned, there are a number of submarines in our area, OTOH, many of us will also be busy with other things.? Alex and crew getting that big sub out West ready to dive and then there?s a potential science trip up to Maine in last summer, early Fall. My wife is leading a trip to Israel late September/early October, but I?m basically around the rest of the year. ? We had access to an amazing little quarry locally that would have been a hoot for dive day, but lost access to it when the County found it infested with Zebra mussels.? Clean your gear kiddies. Now no one can use it.? There?s another, larger and deeper quarry coming online this spring that might be a possibility, but it?s an unknown.? ? There?s access to the Chesapeake Bay, but the vis is pretty awful in the summer. ? Thoughts? ? Brian www.Tehom.net ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 14:43:48 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 19:43:48 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention Message-ID: The Navy has some kind of presence in Annapolis. Maybe we could arrange a visit. And there's the Navy museum down in DC. Brian Get Outlook for Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 17:53:43 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 22:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <148978632.1071714.1582584823894@mail.yahoo.com> Kittredge has a presence there too (Annapolis).? Anyone know where he's buried? Tim, rather than splitting the US group we should perhaps just put CA up against MD for the event.? I would attend a CA convention as well, just not bring the K600 with me. Annapolis works for me, also.? Without committing, I would think about bringing the K-600 as a static display. Regardless of location, I would take a speaker slot to talk about the K-600 and my SEM software which should be finished by then; as well as the electronic compass (plans of which will also become PSUBS community property).? I'm sure I'll have some PSUBS business to discuss as well. So folks, what's the consensus on location?? That as well as A DATE are the critical decisions we need right now.? Fortunately my plans are very flexible so either location and any date works, but I'm thinking JULY would give us plenty of time to get things in order in terms of planning.? Otherwise, I think we would have to push out to Sept/Oct. Brian, if you are willing to take up the coordinator role and do the groundwork for hotel, restaurants, and presentation room; contact me offline so we can start discussions.? Tim, are you willing to take on coordinator role for the west coast? Jon On Monday, February 24, 2020, 02:45:44 PM EST, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: The Navy has some kind of presence in Annapolis. Maybe we could arrange a visit. And there's the Navy museum down in DC. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 17:57:56 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:57:56 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: <2031350125.1102411.1582584889312@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2031350125.1102411.1582584889312.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2031350125.1102411.1582584889312@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jon, if the dates don't conflict with my commitments I would attend a Maryland convention. Thanks, Steve On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 5:55 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Please state your choice IF you are serious about attending. > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 19:08:16 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 16:08:16 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <148978632.1071714.1582584823894@mail.yahoo.com> References: <148978632.1071714.1582584823894@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004101d5eb6f$ae659dd0$0b30d970$@telus.net> Sounds like Maryland is the preferred location for those most likely to attend. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:54 PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention Kittredge has a presence there too (Annapolis). Anyone know where he's buried? Tim, rather than splitting the US group we should perhaps just put CA up against MD for the event. I would attend a CA convention as well, just not bring the K600 with me. Annapolis works for me, also. Without committing, I would think about bringing the K-600 as a static display. Regardless of location, I would take a speaker slot to talk about the K-600 and my SEM software which should be finished by then; as well as the electronic compass (plans of which will also become PSUBS community property). I'm sure I'll have some PSUBS business to discuss as well. So folks, what's the consensus on location? That as well as A DATE are the critical decisions we need right now. Fortunately my plans are very flexible so either location and any date works, but I'm thinking JULY would give us plenty of time to get things in order in terms of planning. Otherwise, I think we would have to push out to Sept/Oct. Brian, if you are willing to take up the coordinator role and do the groundwork for hotel, restaurants, and presentation room; contact me offline so we can start discussions. Tim, are you willing to take on coordinator role for the west coast? Jon On Monday, February 24, 2020, 02:45:44 PM EST, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: The Navy has some kind of presence in Annapolis. Maybe we could arrange a visit. And there's the Navy museum down in DC. Brian Get Outlook for Android _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 19:27:48 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 00:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <148978632.1071714.1582584823894@mail.yahoo.com> References: <148978632.1071714.1582584823894@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <480949136.7744631.1582590468734@mail.yahoo.com> I vote for Annapolis for the 2020 US Psub convention location and July works for me.? I to would present on Flathead Lake Expedition. Cliff On Monday, February 24, 2020, 04:54:53 PM CST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Kittredge has a presence there too (Annapolis).? Anyone know where he's buried? Tim, rather than splitting the US group we should perhaps just put CA up against MD for the event.? I would attend a CA convention as well, just not bring the K600 with me. Annapolis works for me, also.? Without committing, I would think about bringing the K-600 as a static display. Regardless of location, I would take a speaker slot to talk about the K-600 and my SEM software which should be finished by then; as well as the electronic compass (plans of which will also become PSUBS community property).? I'm sure I'll have some PSUBS business to discuss as well. So folks, what's the consensus on location?? That as well as A DATE are the critical decisions we need right now.? Fortunately my plans are very flexible so either location and any date works, but I'm thinking JULY would give us plenty of time to get things in order in terms of planning.? Otherwise, I think we would have to push out to Sept/Oct. Brian, if you are willing to take up the coordinator role and do the groundwork for hotel, restaurants, and presentation room; contact me offline so we can start discussions.? Tim, are you willing to take on coordinator role for the west coast? Jon On Monday, February 24, 2020, 02:45:44 PM EST, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: The Navy has some kind of presence in Annapolis. Maybe we could arrange a visit. And there's the Navy museum down in DC. Brian Get Outlook for Android_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 19:28:23 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:28:23 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: <148978632.1071714.1582584823894@mail.yahoo.com> References: <148978632.1071714.1582584823894@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jon, any chance of a video link for the conference presentations? Re your magnetometer; I am currently building a hex copter with a Pixhawke flight controller. It may interest you. It has a magnetometer, barometer, gyroscope, accelerometer & open source software. They have been used on ROVs. I am looking at using one for radio control of thrusters & controlling ballast valves Amongst other things. Don't ask me too many questions about it as I haven't got in to detail on it yet. http://pixhawk.org/ Alan > On 25/02/2020, at 11:53 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Kittredge has a presence there too (Annapolis). Anyone know where he's buried? > > Tim, rather than splitting the US group we should perhaps just put CA up against MD for the event. I would attend a CA convention as well, just not bring the K600 with me. > > Annapolis works for me, also. Without committing, I would think about bringing the K-600 as a static display. > > Regardless of location, I would take a speaker slot to talk about the K-600 and my SEM software which should be finished by then; as well as the electronic compass (plans of which will also become PSUBS community property). I'm sure I'll have some PSUBS business to discuss as well. > > So folks, what's the consensus on location? That as well as A DATE are the critical decisions we need right now. Fortunately my plans are very flexible so either location and any date works, but I'm thinking JULY would give us plenty of time to get things in order in terms of planning. Otherwise, I think we would have to push out to Sept/Oct. > > Brian, if you are willing to take up the coordinator role and do the groundwork for hotel, restaurants, and presentation room; contact me offline so we can start discussions. Tim, are you willing to take on coordinator role for the west coast? > > Jon > > > > On Monday, February 24, 2020, 02:45:44 PM EST, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > The Navy has some kind of presence in Annapolis. Maybe we could arrange a visit. And there's the Navy museum down in DC. > > Brian > > > Get Outlook for Android > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 20:17:43 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 20:17:43 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: <2031350125.1102411.1582584889312@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2031350125.1102411.1582584889312.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2031350125.1102411.1582584889312@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maryland! Actually I'd really enjoy CA too, but I don't think I can make it there this particular year. Alec On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 5:55 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Please state your choice IF you are serious about attending. > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Feb 24 20:59:58 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 01:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2020 Psub Convention In-Reply-To: References: <148978632.1071714.1582584823894@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <662143506.1175581.1582595998756@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I suppose we could.? Would just need a good Internet connection.? Facebook live?? Periscope?? Maybe a web based conference tool (WEBEX)?? Sound might be an issue, we'd need to make sure the presenters are mic'd up with something that really comes through well. Hmmm, your question raises the possibility of a "virtual" convention in the future.? No travel necessary. On Monday, February 24, 2020, 07:30:05 PM EST, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon,any chance of a video link for the conference presentations?Re your magnetometer; I am currently building a hex copter with a Pixhawkeflight controller. It may interest you. It has a magnetometer, barometer, gyroscope, accelerometer & open source software. They have been used on ROVs.?I am looking at using one for radio control of thrusters & controlling ballast valvesAmongst other things.?Don't ask me too many questions about it as I haven't got in to detail on it yet.http://pixhawk.org/Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 13:03:46 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test In-Reply-To: <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345221636.741131.1582721926793.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What was the ramp angle, and is that going to be typical? Congrats. It's always gratifying to see a design work as expected in reality. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Feb. 26, 2020, 05:58, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > My launch test of E3000 was a total success and worked better than expected. The sub rolls into the water effortlessly and only requires 40 ish inches of water to launch. The wheel bearings on the trailer don't touch the water either. > Video to follow soon > Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 09:40:09 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 07:40:09 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D99375F-FBDF-41EC-ABDA-8BBDFCD42A2F@yahoo.ca> Thanks Sean. The ramp is pretty typical for here at about 8.5 inches per 4 feet Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ?What was the ramp angle, and is that going to be typical? > > Congrats. It's always gratifying to see a design work as expected in reality. > > Sean > > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Feb. 26, 2020, 05:58, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > My launch test of E3000 was a total success and worked better than expected. The sub rolls into the water effortlessly and only requires 40 ish inches of water to launch. The wheel bearings on the trailer don't touch the water either. > Video to follow soon > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 09:41:21 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 07:41:21 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <364A473D-B8F9-4158-AE85-DDF7D22EF07D@yahoo.ca> California Hank Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Daniel Lance via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ? > Maryland > >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 5:55 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Please state your choice IF you are serious about attending. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The wheel bearings on the trailer don't > touch the water either. > Video to follow soon > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 10:24:54 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 07:24:54 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: <2031350125.1102411.1582584889312@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2031350125.1102411.1582584889312.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2031350125.1102411.1582584889312@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I could do either, depending the time of the year. Wy will be recovering from surgery thru july. David On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 2:55 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Please state your choice IF you are serious about attending. > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 11:35:10 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test In-Reply-To: References: <345221636.741131.1582721926793.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <401120493.848919.1582734910514@mail.yahoo.com> David, thanks, the stability seems very good especially front to back. ?When the video is done, you will ?see how it is because I get on top of the sub when its in the water to check things out.?Hank On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 8:23:00 AM MST, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank, congrats, it looks great. How was the stability on the surface? On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 5:00 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: My launch test of E3000 was a total success and worked better than expected.? The sub rolls into the water effortlessly and only requires 40 ish ?inches of water to launch.? The wheel bearings on the trailer don't touch the water either.Video to follow soonHank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 12:11:23 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james hughes via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: References: <2031350125.1102411.1582584889312.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2031350125.1102411.1582584889312@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <585649335.593186.1582737083763@mail.yahoo.com> California for sure!God bless, Jim On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 07:26:59 AM PST, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I could do either, depending the time of the year. Wy will be recovering from surgery thru july.David On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 2:55 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Please state your choice IF you are serious about attending. _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 12:47:05 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test In-Reply-To: <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345221636.741131.1582721926793.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1106266172.933676.1582739225521@mail.yahoo.com> Glad that your launch system worked.? For the concrete ramps in Texas, the slope is a lot more shallow than yours.? I am not sure it would have cleared on these shallow ramps.?? How did the free board work out compared with what you thought you would see? Best On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 07:00:04 AM CST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: My launch test of E3000 was a total success and worked better than expected. ?The sub rolls into the water effortlessly and only requires 40 ish ?inches of water to launch. ?The wheel bearings on the trailer don't touch the water either.Video to follow soonHank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 13:11:10 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test In-Reply-To: <1106266172.933676.1582739225521@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345221636.741131.1582721926793.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> <1106266172.933676.1582739225521@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1894625121.937977.1582740670088@mail.yahoo.com> Cliff, the slope does not matter, in fact less slope is better. ?The winch does not have to work as hard then. ?I actually load the sub right off the shop floor into the trailer. ?The freeboard is spot on, but I am not sure if the weight is correct yet. ?I will pool test as soon as the ground thaws for my test pool. ?I am trying to be patient, and I don't like it. ?Hank On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 10:47:29 AM MST, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Glad that your launch system worked.? For the concrete ramps in Texas, the slope is a lot more shallow than yours.? I am not sure it would have cleared on these shallow ramps.?? How did the free board work out compared with what you thought you would see? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 13:28:23 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 13:28:23 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] work boat In-Reply-To: <892828420.913423.1582741091428@mail.yahoo.com> References: <892828420.913423.1582741091428@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2137844F-D7FB-40B2-B2A5-DE2B6D3EE5DE@gmail.com> My wife is a saint and never complains about my sub projects. But if she ever does, the plan is to show her Hank?s emails. They?ll make all the time, money, mess and noise associated with my subs look downright trivial. :) Alec > On Feb 26, 2020, at 1:19 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ? > All, I have always wanted to build a pontoon boat to carry the sub. Well today I was at our local sawmill that is decommissioned. I am looking at buying a cubical from one of the saws. This cubical is sound proof with big windows and would make a perfect wheel house\cabin on my new boat idea. The cubical is 9.5 feet square and 7.75 feet tall and I can get it for 1,000 dollars C . Not bad considering I can put it on a small diet to shed some weight and just weld it to the pontoons and that part is done. The front window is even slanted like the work boats have. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 13:53:32 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Shanee Stopnitzky via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:53:32 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: <585649335.593186.1582737083763@mail.yahoo.com> References: <585649335.593186.1582737083763@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6780DE36-ECD8-4CED-A924-F052732AE3CB@gmail.com> california! best, shanee On Feb 26, 2020, at 9:12 AM, james hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ? > California for sure! > God bless, Jim > > On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 07:26:59 AM PST, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I could do either, depending the time of the year. Wy will be recovering from surgery thru july. > David > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 2:55 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Please state your choice IF you are serious about attending. > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 18:05:51 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:05:51 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test In-Reply-To: <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345221636.741131.1582721926793.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005101d5ecf9$4b4e9270$e1ebb750$@telus.net> Brilliant, Hank. This is good information. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:59 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test My launch test of E3000 was a total success and worked better than expected. The sub rolls into the water effortlessly and only requires 40 ish inches of water to launch. The wheel bearings on the trailer don't touch the water either. Video to follow soon Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 18:11:24 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:11:24 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test In-Reply-To: <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345221636.741131.1582721926793.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005601d5ecfa$1153ee70$33fbcb50$@telus.net> Hank, Are any of the wheels under the sub castering? Your launch trailer design looks like it would be easy to roll the sub off the trailer and into the shop without need for a crane. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:59 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test My launch test of E3000 was a total success and worked better than expected. The sub rolls into the water effortlessly and only requires 40 ish inches of water to launch. The wheel bearings on the trailer don't touch the water either. Video to follow soon Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 20:28:41 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 01:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test In-Reply-To: <005601d5ecfa$1153ee70$33fbcb50$@telus.net> References: <345221636.741131.1582721926793.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> <005601d5ecfa$1153ee70$33fbcb50$@telus.net> Message-ID: <660249292.1167868.1582766921570@mail.yahoo.com> Tim, no casters, but I just let it roll into the shop the way it is, then if I want to move it to the side I lift it with a chain hoist on a trolly and roll it to the side. ?Easy as pie. ?No crane needed.Hank On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 4:11:42 PM MST, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv6499161845 #yiv6499161845 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv6499161845 #yiv6499161845 p.yiv6499161845MsoNormal, #yiv6499161845 li.yiv6499161845MsoNormal, #yiv6499161845 div.yiv6499161845MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;}#yiv6499161845 a:link, #yiv6499161845 span.yiv6499161845MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6499161845 a:visited, #yiv6499161845 span.yiv6499161845MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6499161845 span.yiv6499161845EmailStyle17 {font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;}#yiv6499161845 .yiv6499161845MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {}#yiv6499161845 div.yiv6499161845WordSection1 {}#yiv6499161845 Hank, Are any of the wheels under the sub castering? Your launch trailer design looks like it would be easy to roll the sub off the trailer and into the shop without need for a crane. ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:59 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test ? My launch test of E3000 was a total success and worked better than expected. ?The sub rolls into the water effortlessly and only requires 40 ish ?inches of water to launch. ?The wheel bearings on the trailer don't touch the water either. Video to follow soon Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Feb 26 22:22:46 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 16:22:46 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test In-Reply-To: <660249292.1167868.1582766921570@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345221636.741131.1582721926793.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345221636.741131.1582721926793@mail.yahoo.com> <005601d5ecfa$1153ee70$33fbcb50$@telus.net> <660249292.1167868.1582766921570@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <678F35FC-F435-4D2D-AFEA-4F153C858AC4@yahoo.com> Hank, congratulations. Why not just pour water on your shop floor. Wait 10 seconds for it to turn to ice & push the sub across it! Having droughts here in N.Z. at the moment. Alan > On 27/02/2020, at 2:28 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Tim, no casters, but I just let it roll into the shop the way it is, then if I want to move it to the side I lift it with a chain hoist on a trolly and roll it to the side. Easy as pie. No crane needed. > Hank > > On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 4:11:42 PM MST, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hank, > > Are any of the wheels under the sub castering? Your launch trailer design looks like it would be easy to roll the sub off the trailer and into the shop without need for a crane. > > Tim > > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:59 AM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test > > > > My launch test of E3000 was a total success and worked better than expected. The sub rolls into the water effortlessly and only requires 40 ish inches of water to launch. 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Wait 10 seconds for it to turn to ice& push the sub across it!Having droughts here in N.Z. at the moment.Alan On 27/02/2020, at 2:28 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Tim, no casters, but I just let it roll into the shop the way it is, then if I want to move it to the side I lift it with a chain hoist on a trolly and roll it to the side. ?Easy as pie. ?No crane needed.Hank On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 4:11:42 PM MST, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv8929091557 -- filtered {}#yiv8929091557 filtered {}#yiv8929091557 filtered {}#yiv8929091557 p.yiv8929091557MsoNormal, #yiv8929091557 li.yiv8929091557MsoNormal, #yiv8929091557 div.yiv8929091557MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;}#yiv8929091557 a:link, #yiv8929091557 span.yiv8929091557MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8929091557 a:visited, #yiv8929091557 span.yiv8929091557MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8929091557 span.yiv8929091557EmailStyle17 {font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;}#yiv8929091557 .yiv8929091557MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv8929091557 filtered {}#yiv8929091557 div.yiv8929091557WordSection1 {}#yiv8929091557 Hank, Are any of the wheels under the sub castering? Your launch trailer design looks like it would be easy to roll the sub off the trailer and into the shop without need for a crane. ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:59 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Launch test ? My launch test of E3000 was a total success and worked better than expected. ?The sub rolls into the water effortlessly and only requires 40 ish ?inches of water to launch. ?The wheel bearings on the trailer don't touch the water either. Video to follow soon Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 27 06:18:04 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 11:18:04 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? Message-ID: Looks like the votes are tilting to California. That won't be possible for me this summer so not sure what it means. Maybe next year? Brian Get Outlook for Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 27 07:16:12 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 07:16:12 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Same here, I can't make California this year. We could always alternate between coasts. Thanks, Alec On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 6:18 AM Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Looks like the votes are tilting to California. That won't be possible for > me this summer so not sure what it means. Maybe next year? > > Brian > > Get Outlook for Android > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 27 08:08:53 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 13:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <138402181.2670447.1582808933375@mail.yahoo.com> I think the opposite.? Obviously demand for California but it looks like we might lose half our speakers if we switch.? That leads me to believe we should do Maryland this year and plan on California next year.? As well, setting up video-conferencing as Alan suggested will give an opportunity for anyone remote to participate both this year and next year. Jon On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 06:19:41 AM EST, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Looks like the votes are tilting to California. That won't be possible for me this summer so not sure what it means. Maybe next year? Brian Get Outlook for Android_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 27 08:25:37 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 07:25:37 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: <138402181.2670447.1582808933375@mail.yahoo.com> References: <138402181.2670447.1582808933375@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree with Jon. Annapolis this year and California next year. Cliff Sent from my iPad > On Feb 27, 2020, at 7:08 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I think the opposite. Obviously demand for California but it looks like we might lose half our speakers if we switch. That leads me to believe we should do Maryland this year and plan on California next year. As well, setting up video-conferencing as Alan suggested will give an opportunity for anyone remote to participate both this year and next year. > > Jon > > On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 06:19:41 AM EST, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Looks like the votes are tilting to California. That won't be possible for me this summer so not sure what it means. Maybe next year? > > Brian > > Get Outlook for Android > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 27 10:16:29 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 07:16:29 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with Jon. Annapolis this year. David On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 3:18 AM Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Looks like the votes are tilting to California. That won't be possible for > me this summer so not sure what it means. Maybe next year? > > Brian > > Get Outlook for Android > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 27 13:39:52 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:39:52 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d5ed9d$4d1f6850$e75e38f0$@telus.net> Since David Columbo, with his new ready to launch sub, prefers Annapolis over California this year it sounds like that is what we should do. This gives me more time to arrange everything for next year. Lake dives appear to be more popular with Psubbers than ocean dives. Lakes are certainly less prone to weather and tidal influences and make for easy wash down. My wife and I can do some preliminary dives in Whiskeytown Lake and other lakes in Oregon and California this spring/summer. Whiskeytown Lake was my first thought since it has a reputation for good visibility and a dive shop nearby in Redding. Also in Redding are various hotels, campgrounds, an airport, and other things to do and see. Whiskeytown Lake requires a National Park Service Special Use Permit application to be filled out ($50 lol) in order to operate submersibles (which I have in hand), and is also where Seabreacher submersibles are tested since they are manufactured in Redding. Please let me know if anyone has other west coast lakes to suggest. Maybe Lake Tahoe has another InnerspaceScience project. Let me know what the final decision is for this year. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:16 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? I agree with Jon. Annapolis this year. David On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 3:18 AM Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Looks like the votes are tilting to California. That won't be possible for me this summer so not sure what it means. Maybe next year? Brian Get Outlook for Android _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Feb 27 14:08:47 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 14:08:47 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? In-Reply-To: <000001d5ed9d$4d1f6850$e75e38f0$@telus.net> References: <000001d5ed9d$4d1f6850$e75e38f0$@telus.net> Message-ID: The very first PSUBS convention was at a lake in Oregon. I can't recall the name, but it was a really lovely place. It wasn't that long a drive from Portland, but seemed to be out in the wilderness. Perhaps Jon knows where it was... Best, Alec On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 1:40 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Since David Columbo, with his new ready to launch sub, prefers Annapolis > over California this year it sounds like that is what we should do. This > gives me more time to arrange everything for next year. > > > > Lake dives appear to be more popular with Psubbers than ocean dives. > Lakes are certainly less prone to weather and tidal influences and make for > easy wash down. > > > > My wife and I can do some preliminary dives in Whiskeytown Lake and other > lakes in Oregon and California this spring/summer. Whiskeytown Lake was my > first thought since it has a reputation for good visibility and a dive shop > nearby in Redding. Also in Redding are various hotels, campgrounds, an > airport, and other things to do and see. Whiskeytown Lake requires a > National Park Service Special Use Permit application to be filled out ($50 > lol) in order to operate submersibles (which I have in hand), and is also > where Seabreacher submersibles are tested since they are manufactured in > Redding. Please let me know if anyone has other west coast lakes to > suggest. Maybe Lake Tahoe has another InnerspaceScience project. > > > > Let me know what the final decision is for this year. > > > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *David Colombo via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:16 AM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 - Maryland or California? > > > > I agree with Jon. Annapolis this year. > > David > > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 3:18 AM Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Looks like the votes are tilting to California. That won't be possible for > me this summer so not sure what it means. Maybe next year? > > > > Brian > > > > Get Outlook for Android > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you enjoyed this video check out some of my others! Submarine Upgrades: htt... Hank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Feb 29 23:24:00 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 20:24:00 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Video In-Reply-To: <797290284.2501045.1583023938026@mail.yahoo.com> References: <797290284.2501045.1583023938026.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <797290284.2501045.1583023938026@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101d5ef81$3c54d5b0$b4fe8110$@telus.net> Wow, nice truck, Hank. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:52 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Video In this video I am testing out my new trailer for my homemade submarine E3000. If you enjoyed this video check out some of my others! Submarine Upgrades: htt... Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Feb 29 23:45:48 2020 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 20:45:48 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Video In-Reply-To: <797290284.2501045.1583023938026@mail.yahoo.com> References: <797290284.2501045.1583023938026.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <797290284.2501045.1583023938026@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001d5ef84$481bf150$d853d3f0$@telus.net> Brilliant trailer launch system design, Hank. Looks like it will be easier to launch and recover the sub than the last design with the tongue extension. Have you any concerns launching and recovering when there is some surf running? Just thinking of the final recovery during Flathead Lake. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:52 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Video In this video I am testing out my new trailer for my homemade submarine E3000. If you enjoyed this video check out some of my others! Submarine Upgrades: htt... Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: