[PSUBS-MAILIST] pulled thread line - submarine AC and heat

Thu Apr 4 03:41:58 EDT 2019

Ok, while you guys have been sleeping I have been googling for a 
suitable snorkel valve, & come up with this Wagner item below.
I searched under "inverted vent check valve". I am not sure of the price of
the below item. 
If anyone knows of a good option I would be interested.
Maybe there is a suitable valve that can be hacked! Ie. Use the valve seat
& buy a hollow stainless ball.
Alan
https://wagerusa.com/pages/marine/1700series.html

> On 4/04/2019, at 6:03 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> 
> Am thinking about having 2 snorkel valves for cooling in transit. 
> One for air in & one for air out, with a descent blower circulating the air.
> Any thoughts on how effective it would be? 
> Hugh Fulton had a snorkel valve design on his Q-sub site but can't find it.
> Assume you would need a hollow ball that floats up & seals the inlet &
> an additional valve inside the hull for redundancy, with a blower on the designated
> Inlet.
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 4/04/2019, at 5:42 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Marc,
>> haven't heard from you for a while.
>> What calculation was off?
>> Peltiers are 1/4 as efficient as conventional AC.
>> Average car AC system uses 4hp which is 2,980W.
>> 4 X 2980 = 11,920.
>> Wish it was off as I have bought 20 so far & I am going to need a lot of
>> batteries to keep up with a cars AC system.
>> I am starting to talk myself out of relying on them solely & in to a good snorkel 
>> system that I could suck air through while transiting on the surface.
>> Alan
>> 
>>> On 4/04/2019, at 4:38 PM, Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pretty sure your calculations are off.
>>> 
>>> Did some work with Peltier effect coolers a few years back.
>>> 
>>> Search for information on this technology as applied in the military. There are many applications for which vapor-compression refrigeration is not possible or too dangerous.
>>> 
>>> Marc
>>> 
>>>> On 03/04/2019 9:18 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know how many peltiers. If you based your air conditioning system
>>>> on a car which uses 4 hp or 2,980 Watts & factored in that peltiers are 1/4
>>>> as efficient as conventional air conditioning then you would need 11,920 W
>>>> to get the equivalent cooling! And then it's an unknown as the peltiers are
>>>> more efficient when there is a larger temperature differential between sides.
>>>>> On 3/04/2019, at 12:15 AM, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
>>>>> Alan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> How many peltier chips do you think you'll use? Or need? I was kinda planning the same idea, but was trying Kydex. I made a cover with a thin sheet of clear plastic, but I wondered about durability. Hadn't thought fiberglass. Doh.  The real reason is I picked up for free a vacuum thermomolding machine and needed an excuse to play.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As per attachment I was thinking magnets, the chrome covered ones you can get a home depot. Attach where needed.  Spread heat transfer paste on the surface, etc. How will you attach yours? Building in piping for condensation runoff?
>>>>> 
>>>>> For heat I'm going with a cigarette lighter socket into which I can plug my heated vest I use on cold days on the Harley. Keep the core warm, etc.
>>>>> 
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