[PSUBS-MAILIST] oil compensation

[hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles]

 Alan,I don't think there is a need to worry about constant pressure through the diaphragm stroke.  You would fill the compensator with fluid to the maximum level.  The amount of travel would be equivalent to the amount of air trapped in the system plus any expansion due to temperature change. These two things would be so minimal that the amount of travel would be so small the pressure  from the spring would stay quite constant.  I can not see the entire drawing because I can not move it over for some reason ;-(  .  Very clever Idea though using a weight.  You could take an  air cylinder with a bit of extra length and put a lead weight around the shaft inside the cylinder above the piston, and you would be done.Hank
    On Friday, September 15, 2017, 10:27:25 PM MDT, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:  
 
 Hank got me thinking about compensators again.I had made an initial design for a compensator, using a springto produce over-pressure. This design is pretty standard in operation,with lots of variations.One problem with the spring is that it might be producing 8 pounds offorce at the start, but as the oil level goes down & the spring extends,the over-pressure is reduced. Some of the springs I have seen arepretty large, possibly in an effort to keep the pressure range in a narrowerband. 4-5 psi seems a normal over-pressure.If I replaced the spring with a cylindrical 5lb weight, I would get the same4lb (weight in water) over-pressure throughout the range of the diaphragms travel. Can anyone see a problem with this? Any comments. The lead may bounce around a bitduring transport but I don't think this would be a problem. My initial design is attached!Alan


      From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] oil compensation
  
Hi All,Thank you Greg, just sent them a request.
I have tested my air cylinder compensator for my thrusters both in the pressure test and a couple days ago to 100 feet.   The set up seems to work with no water intrusion into the motors.  I have the cylinder mounted below the motors witch causes a small air pocket in the hydraulic fitting on top of the motor.  I am not worried about the small amount of air except the potential of oil being forced up past the air pocket.  This makes me think the compensating cylinder should be above the motors.  Then I wonder why does the compensating cylinder need oil in it at all.  As long as the bore in the cylinder has enough volume so the piston is not bottomed out at max depth.  I also have a small spring pushing the cylinder rod to create a small internal pressure above ambient.  Is my logic flawed?  it would be very convenient to eliminate the oil in the cylinder and would make the compensator  faster to react to pressure change say in a fast ascent.  Hank_______________________________________________
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