[PSUBS-MAILIST] Penetrator materials

Tue May 16 06:24:40 EDT 2017

Hank,
I see you can't sleep again!
Thanks for the offer on the windshield polyurethane. 
My thought process went like this.... I had seen Doug's video where he
had several failures using just the epoxy, so I was going to coat the epoxy
with silicone to seal it better. On my Subconn connectors I noticed they
have a thin layer of rubber vulcanised for about an inch up the wire casing;
I wanted to mimic this but with silicone. Then the polyurethane outer was,
as I have said, a cable support, protection for the silicone & to make it look
tidy. It didn't necessarily have to adhere to the silicone. I need a material 
that will compress at a similar rate as the cable I am
using, so that one surface doesn't pull away from the other.
I might test the silicone against the polyurathane to see what adheres best
to my wiring & aluminium light housing, & go from there.
I will have at least 50 through hull fittings to do & am open to playing around
with a few variations to get it right.
Cheers Alan

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> On 16/05/2017, at 9:38 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> 
> Alan,
> There is really no need for the silicone layer, in fact it might cause you grief trying to get another material to stick to it.  If you need some testing done on the windshield stuff, let me know, I have some left over.
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Monday, May 15, 2017 7:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks, I will have a look at that it sounds like it would have the
> adhesion that's needed.
> This stuff is designed for encapsulating electronics in marine
> environments. I was going to use it over a thin layer of silicone but
> might not use the silicone now. 
> Alan
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16/05/2017, at 12:06 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Alan,
>> I have good luck with windshield adhesive (poly urethane)  I used it as a liquid rubber.  It is super tough and cheap.
>> Hank
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, May 15, 2017 5:40 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Ended up ordering this encapsulating 2 part flexible polyurethane,  
>> that is suitable for a marine environment.
>> http://nz.element14.com/robnor/el110h-bk-250/encapsulant-2k-flex-pu-gp-marine/dp/1891122
>> Will see how it goes!
>> Alan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 16/05/2017, at 3:43 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Thanks Hank,
>> I need the two wires to angle off to the sides as they are soldered on
>> to the corners of the LED.
>> Yes I could thread the outside of the nozzle & put on a blue globe cable gland,
>> I have some. Even though Carsten & Emile are advocates of the Blue globe,
>> they do fit two on each penetration; one on the outside, one on the inside &
>> I can't do that with the light fitting.
>>    I have come across a few likely candidates for the outer covering in the way
>> of a mouldable polyurethane for marine applications......
>> https://www.aeromarineproducts.com/product/urethane-75a-encapsulating-compound/
>> This is an American product I can't locate here in N.Z.. Have found a local
>> product ...
>> http://www.electrolube.co.nz/products/encapsulation-resins-polyurethane/ur5118/polyurethane-potting-compound/
>> Cheers Alan
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 15/05/2017, at 11:59 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alan,
>>> In an effort to keep it easy and clean looking, I would extend the penetrator body at the wet side to allow for  threading on a compression fitting.   Slide your cable into that and snug the nut and it is done and clean looking.   Also from my experience, I would not angle the wires, I would make it strait through and strip as much of the jacket as possible.  I am sure your drawing is not representing the actual amount to be stripped, but it should be more significant.  Keeping it strait will make it a lot easier, I have done over 20 wires in one penetrator with a strait threaded bore.  
>>> Hank
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a number of penetrators to do on my lights & other items, & I'm
>>> looking for the best materials for them.
>>> My design is as below. It is the base of my light housing.
>>> I have stripped a small section of wire that runs through the epoxy.
>>> I am not sure of the best material on the next 2 layers.
>>> I am looking at this marine silicone, to seal about an inch up the wiring jacket.
>>> http://www.selleys.co.nz/car-care/sealants/marine/
>>> Am thinking I will apply this silicone with a brush & then tidy things up & both
>>> protect the silicone & support the cable with a molded rubberized outer layer.
>>> I am not sure of a suitable moldable material for a marine environment.
>>> Am guessing I will need about the same hardness as a standard o-ring.
>>> Any suggestions on the material or comments on the design thanks.
>>> Alan
>>> 
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