[PSUBS-MAILIST] Ethical obligation to inform

[Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles]

Alan,
My thoughts.
Will Kohnen and I are not strangers, neither is PSUBS a stranger to MTS.  As organizations, we have attended their conventions and they have attended ours.  Therefore, I find it rather presumptuous for MTS to consider promoting rules affecting personal submarines without first notifying us that they were doing so and without inviting us up-front as a primary contributor.  Having heard of it second hand through the grapevine as it were, we are now suppose to feel assured that our input and contributions will be valued?  What weight is given to our input?  How do we resolve disputes?  Is there a voting system, or does MTS just accept/discard our contributions arbitrarily because they have "smart people who really understand submarines" on their committee?
Logic has to make sense in all directions so let's try reversing this situation.  How about PSUBS starts a committee to promote the rules and regulations we believe should be used as a guide for government agencies, and to be thorough we will include rules that affect commercial and research submarines as well because we want a unifying set of regulations.  Seamagine, Pisces, Nuytco, U-Boat Worx, Atlantis, and all research submarines such as Alvin will have to abide by the rules that PSUBS submits to the government...and by the way, we aren't going to ask representatives from any of those disciplines to join us but if they hear about this rule making activity via word-of-mouth then we'll tell them they can contribute their ideas.  Sound like a good, rational, logical plan?
I have reached out to the CG and US Navy more than once in the past 21 years to foster a relationship with PSUBS.  The only reaction I have ever gotten from them is that they are not interested in regulating personal submarines.  So why is MTS so intent on creating rules that restrict personal submarines?  That is not a rhetorical question.
Jon 

    On Friday, July 14, 2017 8:48 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
 

 Jon,Scott said that if anyone wanted to contribute to contact Will Konen.Perhaps you could approach him on our behalf & convey our desireto be involved in the process. There were a couple of Psubbers involvedin the submersible side of UI when I was there. I think Vance & Lance!Will had a slot to fill in the lectures & asked me to talk on Psubs ( I declined),so he seems to have a pretty positive attitude toward us. As he heads thesubmersible side of the UI he has been a target & questioned by groupslike Coast Guard about "what do we do about submarines". They have beenwanting him to draught regulations for years & he has been trying to avoidit. In my thinking, the only real issue with submersible operations is surfacing,where a submarine may come up in the path of a surface craft. Perhapssome regulations on the support boat having to display a dive flag & bein communication with the submersible, or a buoy deployed from the submarine prior to surfacing in autonomous use.In N.Z. you can make a small boat in your backyard & take it out in a howlinggale & 5 metre swells, with the one proviso that you wear a life jacket;so I don't think making submarine rules regarding sea-worthiness would be relevant.Alan


   
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