[PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 37, Issue 14

Mon Jul 4 21:12:30 EDT 2016

Jerry,Do we get a sneak peak at the design concept of your sub?Hank 

    On Monday, July 4, 2016 3:46 PM, Jerry Koontz via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Found your dive report very interesting. I have just finished the design for my sub "Irex". Hope to start 
construction this fall. I will be using it in Lake Superior. Deepest point is 400 M. So I designed mine to 
600 M. Hope that my first dive goes as good. Thank you again for the great report. 

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  1. Re: Pilot Fish unmanned -255m dive report
      (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles)
  2. Re: PSUBS light project status (via Personal_Submersibles)
  3. Re: PSUBS light project status (via Personal_Submersibles)

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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:02:15 +0100
From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pilot Fish unmanned -255m dive report
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Hi Antoine,

Congratulations!  Thanks for the report.  Very interesting.

Many thanks
James

On 4 July 2016 at 03:49, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> Great account of your test dive!    Must be a very rewarding experience
> !  Thanks !
>
> Brian Cox
>
> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote:
>
> From: Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pilot Fish unmanned -255m dive report
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 22:07:27 +0200
>
> oops early send...
>
> Hello Psubbers,
>
> Yesterday the Pilot Fish hull went down to -255m off the coast in the SE
> of France.
>
> For a long time I have wondered how to pressure test the Pilot Fish hull.
> There was the Aberdeen Hypobaric center option, but way up in Scotland, and
> also a test chamber in Cherbourg, France operated by DCNS, closer but much
> more expensive and requiring loading the hull vertically, so fully stripped
> out, with a special support.
> Other option: deep lake. Unfortunately there are not that many options in
> France with easy access. At last, a deep spot in the sea. Ever wasted time
> on the internet looking for things like where is the deepest point on the
> planet or where is the farthest point from land in the ocean? I did some of
> that, discovered the existence of a mysterious deep cutting canyon (Gouf de
> Cap Breton) near my town in SW France. But it is narrow and swell is big
> there.
> Then the mediterranean sea with Toulon came as natural choice. the depth
> drops off to 1000m less a few miles from the harbour. And a friend of mine
> I did my military service with in the area, found the perfect boat
> (Coquimar) for the job, not too expensive, but only with perfect weather
> though, and careful preparation.
> For the last few weeks we were watching weather, and availability of the
> boat and all people involved. this week the planets aligned so I prepped
> the sub and drove to Toulon on Wednesday to do the job on Thursday.
> I had loaded a wooden berth on the back of the rental truck to use on the
> boat to put the hull, keeping the trailer on shore. So we leave shore at
> 5h30 on Thursday. Nice weather but a bit foggy. When exiting the harbour,
> we are contacted by radio by the harbour control tower asking us what we
> are up to (probably spotted the hull on the deck...). After a short
> discussion which we cannot escape, we are told to come back as we do not
> have an authorisation to do the job. We did not know about this and soon
> discover it normally takes one week to get approval, even when it is the
> French navy who asks for their exercises... Really bad news. Weather window
> would close. I have to say that on top of the French administrative
> complexity, Toulon is where the navy hosts their nuke attack subs, hence
> the local authorities are looking closely at all underwater activities.
> (and which is why I did not want to use acoustic pingers on the hull for
> the test in case of retrieval, just out from the subs hide nest...). And it
> does not help to tell the authorities we are testing the hull of a british
> flag registered submersible!!
> Back to the harbour. To avoid a pricey cancelling of the operation, the
> only and near impossible hope is to get approval during the day, and test
> the next day, for which the weather forecast improves. Long story cut
> short, tens of phone calls later to various offices and people, including
> cold calling a retired admiral back from the golf course to grease the
> process, I get a grant at 5pm.
> So same process the next day. Weather just perfect. See the pics on the
> facebook page. We even see dolphins.
> at 6h30 we arrive on location.
> The boat has a crane just rated over the hull weight. But accounting for
> dynamic loads due to movement of the crane boom, and suction effects when
> pulling the hull out, we come close to the rated capacity of the crane,
> hence the need for a nice weather window with almost no swell. Swell is
> also not good as a hull low on water can easily bang the boat and fenders
> are too high to help. And the crane boom cannot reach the winch tie point,
> so we decided to first crane the sub in the water, having it slightly
> floating (-50kg) then move the boat to bring the sub on the other side
> where the winch is, and then, clip some lead weights on the sub's hull to
> get it to sink for the test.
> I filled the sub with sand bags and sodalime buckets to make it just
> buoyant. I check all the through hulls, and add a touch of silicone on the
> hatch oring. A Scubapro 330m bottom timer is attached on the nose frame.
> To minimize the use of a diver, we attached  7m long twin ropes at both
> nose and tail of the hull with a pressure resistant trawler float at the
> end I got from Emile. This helps orienting the sub, especially when the sub
> will be coming back up. On each rope, at around 2m from the tie point on
> the hull and 5m from the float, we clipped a lead weight from the boat's
> deck and then lowered it in the water. This gave the hull a negative
> buoyancy of around -50kg.
> We then lowered the hull with the boat winch. We did a station at 20m for
> a few minutes to check tension. I had bought 300m of semi static nylon rope
> in 3 pieces, which could hold the weight of the sub in case it flooded, but
> not by much margin, so I spent time making special knots which would not
> lower the overall resistance of the rope by more than 20%. The ropes were
> marked every 10 and 50m.
> The usual best practive is to test at 125% of the max operation depth, so
> in our case we would go at 120m max in the English Channel so needed only
> 150m.
> Since our hull is designed for 250m operational depth, (rather than
> carrying lead we d rather have a thicker hull) and all the conditions were
> ok, we pushed down to the 250m mark on the rope. We arrived at 250m at 7h10
> and waited an hour. Tension was ok, no air bubble. An hour later we started
> ascending slowly. At around 9am, we saw the sub by transparency. We could
> grab one float and unclip some lead, but the other float was entangled so
> we sent the diver to clear the leads and ropes. The sub became buoyant
> again. Good news, as a sign it did not fill with water. Then the delicate
> crane operation went ok, the weather still perfect, but we just first
> checked for boat wake around us.
> The depth gauge was recovered. Max depth 262m, but that s configured in
> fresh water so it is actually 255m in the mediterranean. The rope stretch
> minus knots consumption explains the 5m off the 250m rope mark target.
> Opening the hatch we check the hatch closely as the mismatch between
> conning tower diameter and acrylic dome diameter induces massive stress on
> the dome ring, and hatch flange. We had FEA done for that, but still...
> We got scared as I saw water in the sub. But soon tasted, it was fresh...
> relief. Actually I had embarked fresh water bladders to add weight to the
> hull, and noticed they were leaking due to weight placed on top of them. I
> once read on psubs emails about bladders that the question is not about
> whether they could leak but when...  the other through hull seem tight.
> At 11am we are back to the harbour. and at 9pm the sub is back in Pau
> after a long drive. Mission complete.
>
> regards,
> Antoine
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Antoine Delafargue <
> antoine.delafargue at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Psubbers,
>
> Yesterday the Pilot Fish hull went down to -255m off the coast
>
> For a long time I have wondered how to pressure test the Pilot Fish hull.
> There was the Aberdeen Hypobaric center option, but way up in Scotland, and
> also a test chamber in Cherbourg, France operated by DCNS, closer but much
> more expensive and requiring loading the hull vertically with a special
> support.
> Other option: deep lake. Unfortunately there are not that many options in
> France with easy access. At last, a deep spot in the sea. Ever wasted time
> on the internet looking for things like where is the deepest point on the
> planet or where is the farthest point from land in the ocean? I did some of
> that
>
>
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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 16:33:35 +0000
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS light project status
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I just posted my light on my FB account. I've made several of these the last couple of years for underwear video lights. I'll also post it to my psubs project page.

Basically I took a Chinese dive light,  turned a plug to replace the battery tube and then turned an aluminum cylinder to mount the flat LED - functioning as a heat sink. For my video lights I mount the driver in the battery box. I've also potted the bottom of the light as I don?t trust canister light glands at depth. 

For Harold I'll mount the driver internally. This one will hang over the forward main viewport, pointing down at about 45 degrees. 

Other lights will be more focused and point forward. 

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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 13:01:31 -0500
From: via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS light project status
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Can you send link to your psub project for the light?

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:33 AM, via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> 
> I just posted my light on my FB account. I've made several of these the last couple of years for underwear video lights. I'll also post it to my psubs project page.
> 
> Basically I took a Chinese dive light,  turned a plug to replace the battery tube and then turned an aluminum cylinder to mount the flat LED - functioning as a heat sink. For my video lights I mount the driver in the battery box. I've also potted the bottom of the light as I don?t trust canister light glands at depth.
> 
> For Harold I'll mount the driver internally. This one will hang over the forward main viewport, pointing down at about 45 degrees.
> 
> Other lights will be more focused and point forward. 
> 
> Sent from Microsoft Surface
> 
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