[PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub boat

Fri Aug 12 12:33:32 EDT 2016

Last picture. I have also a towing video of 17MB were they run the sub with 
over 20 knots on the zodiac. vbr Carsten

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Datum: 2016-08-12T07:15:20+0200
Von: "T Novak via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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Similar thoughts attached.  Apparently the sub on the zodiac based platform 
require less water depth to launch off the trailer than the sub requires 
alone off the trailer.

Tim

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Doug,

I think the zodiac is a great idea, you will have to play with an easy way 
to attach and detach.  You might want to consider a CT enclosure like Emile 
has.  That should be easy enough to rig up on Snoopy.  The way a K250 is 
built is not ideal for big seas, but you have options.  As mentioned the 
Clear CT enclosure, you could even look at a K350 style CT with a regular 
hatch.  I would go with a small 18 inch hatch to keep it real light.  It 
would be a piece of cake  to add a new removable  CT.  You could have it as 
an option, depending on dive conditions. 

Hank

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:29 PM, Douglas Suhr via 
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Prohibited weapons aside, yes I like the idea of going the zodiac route for 
these reasons: cheap, simple and big bumper. Just not sure how well it 
would work with a tall/tankish design like Snoopy's. 

Last April we took the Whaler out onto the Atlantic several miles out. That 
boat is one of the sturdiest boats I've ever set foot on, but at 25 feet, 
it was getting tossed like a bathtub toy during a temper tantrum (it was a 
two hands day), and the seas weren't bad that day by any means... 3 foot 
waves. I'm trying to picture doing anything in the ocean with a support 
barge and I just can't... unless it were just flat calm. Point for Zodiac 
design. Maybe two Zodiacs I-beamed together with the sub slung in the 
middle? ~ Doug S.     

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 8:57 PM, TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles <
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  Sorry wrong email replied to.

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  I was just reading the news article about the terrorist they shot
 yesterday in Strathroy... It seems they caught him one already and
 released him on a peace bond - one of the conditions of which was that he
 had to surrender any firearms and prohibited weapons.

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 Hi Doug,

 Are you thinking about taking the bottom out of a zodiac and driving the
 sub into it.  That is way better than a barge in my mind.  You get the
 benefit of flotation as well as a big ass bumper.  

 I had a crane on a barge and that worked well in the lake but in ocean
 swells, that barge would beat a sub to death.  I used a long sling on the
 hook so that the sub did not come in contact with steel bouncing around. 
 But lakes are very tame in comparison.

 Hank

 On Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:10 PM, Douglas Suhr via
 Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org
 <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > wrote:

 Thwarted again by the 250's height! I really like this kind of arrangement
 for it's simplicity though. And I think as far as keeping it small, this
 might be the best way to manage launch and recovery in a rough sea state.
 ~ Doug   

 On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <
 personal_submersibles at psubs. org <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
 > wrote:

  Yes, came through Carsten.

  That's an interesting variation of what I've been suggesting.

  I was looking at a K250 on a trailer; and they are fairly deep,

  which would make it hard to design something like this to work

  successfully.

  It might start Cliff thinking, his sub would work well with a similar

  design.

  Alan

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  First picture. (testfile if the size work on these Psuns mails)

  vbr Carsten

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  Von: "James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles" <
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  Hi carsten,

  It would be great if you could find a picture.  Sounds interesting.

  Regards

  James

  On 10 August 2016 at 11:47, MerlinSub at t-online.de
  <mailto:MerlinSub at t-online.de> via Personal_Submersibles <
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  > wrote:

   I have done such a concept for SOVI (Shark Observer vecicle) in South
   Africa.

   Was a semi flooding towing RIB behind a Motorboot with over 20 knots
   towing speed.

   Will search for a picture.

   vbr Carsten

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   Von: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" <
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   This was a concept I was thinking about a while back.

   Excuse the sketch.

   The idea is to have a boat with twin outboards, & a consul up front.

   You raise the motors & pump enough water into the side pontoons to be

   able to drive the sub in & out. Maybe some assistance with a winch

   when returning would be required. If the unit was designed properly

   with a floor that could take the weight of the sub, then you could
   trailer

   both simultaneously. Alan

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   Hey, a sub on a sub!! I like it! �

   Keith T

   Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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   Date: 8/9/16 6:56 PM (GMT-08:00)

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   You mean like this Brian,

   http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/ technology/subs/pisces/pisces-
   training.html
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   I was trying to describe this in an earlier post. 

   Alan

   Sent from my iPad

   On 10/08/2016, at 12:50 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <
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       Seems like there ought to be a way to have another submersible
       platform which cradles the K boat, then submerge to the bottom
       leaving the "carrier boat" sitting on the bottom until ur ready to
       go back home, then link back up with the carrier boat and surface.  
       The carrier boat would need to be big enough to travel on the
       surface and keep the conning tower well above the surface to avoid
       flooding.  Of course many challenges with something like that.

       Brian

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       Thanks for the history Vance, did not know. ~ Doug S. 

       On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:25 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <
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        I sent a response via phone and haven't seen it. To repeat: I do
        have some of George's original drawings on his tender. Web's was a
        takeoff on that design and not terribly successful due to poor load
        carrying capacity and so on. It worked, but was pretty restricted
        in what it could do. George's was better, hands down. 44' long as I
        recall. It started life with China diesels which were achingly
        slow, and ended up with a couple of junkyard 250 cid Chevy in-line
        6 truck engines that worked very well. And were cheap, which was an
        important consideration for ANY consideration for the Captain.

        Vance

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        Did Maynard ever produce/release plans for his sub carrier, Tender
        Nellie? I never saw it in person, but pictures lives on the net.

        http://johnmaynard.tripod.com/ sub2.html
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