[PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive report - Canyon Lake, Tx

Tue Sep 1 19:03:54 EDT 2015

Could be overheating.  They are in an electrical enclosure and there are
four of them.  Temperature was hot in the cabin and been pushing them hard
all day.

Cliff

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> Cliff,
> Sorry Cliff, I use Curtis controllers, I am just assuming they work the
> same way.   My guess is they over heated by mounting location.   Are the
> controllers in an area where they can breath so to speak.
> Hank
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 4:07 PM, Cliff Redus via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hank, do you have any paper work or details on  the MK 101 preservation
> mode or current level protection that is built into the MK 101s?  I do know
> my son was working them pretty hard and I was as well on the previous
> dive.  On the surface he was rocking the boat by slamming the joystick port
> and aft to see what kind of roll he could get on the surface so maybe he
> pushed them into a protected mode?
>
> Cliff
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:55 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Cliff,
> It sounds like the vertical thrusters were used more than the forward
> thrusters, is it possible that they got hot and went into preservation
> mode.  The fact that both quit must mean it is a common problem.  It is odd
> they both quit, also the controllers could  go into a preservation mode if
> the current level drops.
> Hank
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 3:41 PM, Cliff Redus via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
>
> I took the R300 out this weekend.  This was the first time to have it
> back in water since the 2013 Psub convention in Islamorada.  The
> objective of the dive was to evaluate some fairly significant modifications.
>
> To improve low speed maneuverability and reduce noise, I junked the jet
> pump and ailerons and went to four fixed MK 101 thrusters. I also junked
> the VBT and just add ballast to get neutral. Also I added a Garmin AIRMAR
> DST800 Smart Sensor to measure altitude, speed and water temperature.  It
> worked great.  Installed a new LED 5k light, upgraded to a new HMI, and
> changed the foot and joystick controls.  I also rewired the main battery
> bank for 36VDC rather than 120VDC and installed four MK 101 motor
> controllers.  I modified the aft horizontal MK-101s by adding Kort
> nozzles and used air to pressure compensate.  I used the same pressure
> reducing regulator Hugh Fulton posted about awhile back that he is using on
> the QSub.    The changes decreased the weight of boat by 200 lbs while
> the displacement remained the same.
>
> My son, wife, a diving friend and I took the boat to Canyon Lake in Texas
> this Sunday.  Visibility was less than 5 ft so could not see much.  My
> main interest at this point was just to get into water.  After launching
> the boat, I did some testing to get the base line ballast both mid-ship and
> in the stern correct so that I could get neutral and trim after flooding
> the MBT.  After establishing the fixed ballast, I took the boat out to
> test how the horizontal thrusters work for surface maneuvering.   I was
> very happy with way the horizontal thrusters performed. Surface
> maneuverability was excellent and these motors are supper quite.  I did
> find that you could cavitate the props on the surface if you hit it with
> too much power. As before the changes, when you get up to about 4 knots,
> the bow wave obscures the pilots vision.   Breaking is much improved and
> it is now possible to rotate on the surface or in the water column.
>
> I then took the boat out for the first submerged maneuvering.  The
> vertical thrusters were very effective for depth control, pitch and roll
> control.  I found that it was much easier to get to specific depth and
> hold this depth using the vertical thrusters than the old way I did it with
> the VBT.  They worked great.  While removing the VBT simplified dive
> operations, it did result in loss of freeboard of about 1 inch.  This is
> a downside of removing the VBT as the freeboard was already quite low.  I
> just have to be careful when opening the hatch.  I opened and closed that
> hatch throughout the day and only took splash one time when a boat came by
> I did not see.
>
> The new Garmin AIRMAR DST800 Smart Sensor worked great. With visibility
> less than 5 ft, being able to know the altitude was very helpful on dives.
> As usual, it got darker as you descend but knowing when the bottom was
> coming up was nice.
>
> On the negative side, during the last dive of the day, the vertical
> thrusters failed while my son was on bottom in about 27 ft of water.  He
> had to surface using the MBT. Why these thrusters failed is a mystery.  It
> was at the end of the day and I had pushed the batteries pretty hard all
> day along but we still had plenty of battery voltage.   My sons second
> attempt to surface was to put some air in the forward MBT to lift the nose
> and then use the aft horizontal thrusters to power to the surface.  This
> failed as aft horizontal thrusters were not responsive.  After surfacing
> with the MBT, we discovered that tree limb about 1.5” diameter had lodged
> in the starboard horizontal thruster between the prop and the Kort nozzle.
> This explains why we lost horizontal thrust but not vertical.  After
> getting the boat back on the trailer, I tested the vertical thrusters.  They
> would barely turn even when giving them full power.  My first guess was
> that the air pressure compensation system failed and the thrusters were
> full of water.  When I got the boat back to my workshop, I disassembled
> both vertical thrusters and discovered they were dry. After recharging the
> boat, I tried the vertical thrusters again and got the same slow speed
> operation.  After turning them off and on for about five minutes, the
> starboard vertical thruster stared working correctly.  I kept switching
> the port vertical thruster off and on and all of a sudden, it began working
> correctly.  When I had the motors apart, I put a multimeter on the wires
> going to the brushes and found it showing 35VDC.  At this point the
> control signal to these motors was 2.5V so voltage to the motors should
> have been zero.   My guess is that the MK motor controller is acting up.  But
> it is strange that both the vertical controllers would fail.  Also, if it
> were  bad motor controllers, then why did they both start working again.  This
> is still a head stumper for me.
>
> Also towards the end of the day, the OTS underwater communication stared
> acting up.  Base and standby diver using an OTS Guardian full face mask
> could hear underwater transmissions from me but I could not receive either
> from the diver or from the base.  The underwater commns had been working
> great for the previous 7 hours.   I was also having trouble about this
> time with the VHF radio that Alec gave me.  Again I could not receive.  When
> I get a chance I am going to see if the connection to the antenna got
> disconnected.
>
> One of the nice new features of the new HMI besides being larger and
> having a higher resolution, was it has built in data logging.  So after
> the dive it was very nice to be able to download into Excel about 50
> variables logged at a one minute interval. I was able to plot these and get
> a detailed picture of how all the ship systems were working during the day.
>
> If anyone has any thoughts on why the vertical MK 101 thruster motors
> failed, or have had any negative experience with the MK101 motor
> controllers, I would love to hear them.  When they are working, they are
> great.
>
> All in all, I was very happy with the changes but have a few kinks to work
> out before I take her out again.  Now if I could just find some clear
> water to dive in, I would be a happy camper!
>
> Cliff
>
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