[PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub
hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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Tue Jan 6 18:20:31 EST 2015
Alec,
When are you going to show us some pictures of your new build. Perhaps even a teaser.
Hank
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On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
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Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM
Hank,
Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But that's
about the extent of it.
Thanks,
Alec
> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via
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> Alec,
> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I have
no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with CT
would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the hull(
over 2in thick GPR) It would be a pretty
simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some
external rings and your away. I actually saw this sub
in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr one way
to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My
brother and I were already salvaging the logs they were
after :-)
> Hank-------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
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> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM
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> Scott,
> this does not look like it could do any surface run to
speak
> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you
> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along!
> Best,
>
> Alec
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04
> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com
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> wrote:
> Ok. Thanks
> Hank.Scott
> Waters
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> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM
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> Scott,
> I lost the pics in a pc
> problem You can contact Alan at
Silvercrest, he was the
> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I
will tag
> along.
> Hank--------------------------------------------
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> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM
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> That
> might
> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal
> is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what
> options come
> up.Thanks,Scott Waters
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> Date:01/06/2015 12:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
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> Leo
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> Scott,
> I don't know how deep you want
> to go and how much effort
> you want to put
> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in
>
> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two
34in
> domes, one at each end. One end opens as
> the
> hatch. My idea was to replace the
> hull with 516-70
> steel with a CT. It had
> a deal worked out at 50K
> landed in
> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet.
>
> Hank
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> Scott,
> Did he say where
> and how deep?
>
> Hank--------------------------------------------
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
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> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57
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> An
> update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was
> sunk in
> deep
> water
> after a insurance claim some time
> ago. Thanks,Scott
>
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> Subject: Re:
> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
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> It would surely be nice to find
> Leo. I'd go into hock again for that
> one, just
> for old
>
> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm
> virtually
> certain that
> those particular hull(s) were built of
>
> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most
> of
> the
>
> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones
> without
> cyrillic
> operating manuals).
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't remember how thick the steel
>
> was, but it was definitely made from
standard stuff.
> Plus,
> the main viewport
> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving
> that
> thing was seriously awesome. She had
plenty
> of room
> for
> two
> (or enough for three good friends) and
that
> huge
> picture
> window in
> the front.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If Hyco had survived (Leo was their
> last
> P-style boat) I'm betting there
> would be more of
> them
>
> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's
> stranglehold on the shallow water market
> (shallow by
> comparison) and I think it
> was a really good try.
> Sadly,
> it
> all fell apart before
> we could really show her
> off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We did all the deepwater pilot
training
>
> in her down on the Flower Gardens, and
had a ball.
> These
> days, she'd be
> even better, because the
> subsystems and
> propulsion gear is so much better. That
sub
> was rated
> for
> 2000
> feet, which ain't bad. How about that
>
> for an option,
> Scott?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> No fancy steel. Huge
> viewport. 600
> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2
>
> foot
> sphere displaces less than 6-tons.
> Add a pair of
> uncle
>
> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam
> to
> support them. Fair the
> thing like a fat tadpole. You
> could
> probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2
> tons.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats
> weigh
> that, and a good bit more. Yours
> would be a
> lightweight
>
> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more
> agile,
> easier to
> maintain..... The list goes on. What could
>
> be
> better? Damn, I want one!!! It would
> be perfect for
> my
>
> neck
> of the woods.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Vance
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> Thanks for the info
> Phil. I keep running into the
> same
> problems of the material and building of
> the
> personel
> sphere.
>
> Scott Waters
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> From: Phil Nuytten via
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> Hi, Guys, and Happy
> New Year to all loyal
> subbers!!
>
>
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>
>
>
> Glad to shed some little light on the
> Pisces
> subs
> . .We
> (Nuytco) have
> four Hyco boats –
> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5
> are
> in
> Hawaii at HURL
> (Hawaii
> Underwater Research Lab) –
> they are out of
> service,
>
> currently and may be sold
> off if no
> funding is forthcoming. I hope not,
>
> because
> Terry
> Kerby
> and his crew
> rebuilt them into the
> cream of the Pisces crop! There
> are
> two Pisces boats in
>
> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,
> actually
> ,
>
> outside a museum).
> Pisces –1, is
> in the UK, last seen, it was in
> parts.
> Likewise, P-6
> is in
> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking
> of
> IUC’s vessel
> ‘Aloha’)
> and what’s left is in
> New York as Vance mentions. I
> cut
> a
> deal with my old
> friend Andre Galerne (before his
> untimely
> death) to
> have
> first dibs on
> buying P-6 to go into the
> ‘working sub’
> Hyco/Pisces
> display section at our
>
> long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving
> technology
> museum. His
> sons, Lionel
> and Eric were kind enough
> to honour Andre’s
> wishes
> and we will arrange
>
> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets
> better.
> Would appreciate
> it if
> you would steer clear of this one
> – we do plan to
> rebuild
> to the same condition
>
> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . .
> ‘Leo’ – I heard some years
> ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have
> no idea
> what
> ultimately
> happened to
> it. Maybe ask at
> Silvercrest? About all you will be
> able
> to
> use from the P-boats
>
> now is the personnel sphere – you’d
> probably be
> better
> off
> building one from
> scratch if you want a
> thousand feet or less – after
> the
> first thou, the spheres
>
> get much more expensive.
>
>
> Reagards
>
>
>
> Phil
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> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what
turns up.
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> Thanks,
>
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> Scott Waters
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> International Underwater
> Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive,
> it was one
> of
> THE
> deep diving
>
> construction companies in the world. No idea
> what's
> happened up
> there in the
> last few years. Best to
> ask Dr. Phil that one, too.
> He
> knew/knows all those
>
> guys.
>
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> Vance,
>
>
>
> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should
> probably know this. Haha.
>
> I figure it's worth at least trying.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Scott Waters
>
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
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> Anything is possible, Scott.
> SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given
half
> an
> opportunity.
> Or at
> least they'll
> try. You have to be
> willing to wrangle with them. I
>
> don't think they'll respect
>
> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one
> laying
> around. I've
> never asked.
> You could do a lot worse,
> if the hulls are
> salvageable.
> There are four pressure
>
> vessels (except on Leo). The personnel
sphere, an
> aft
> floatation sphere, and
> the
> two 32" forward VBTs
> (that's what is under
> the
> fiberglas brow that makes the P
> boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh
> from ten
> to
> twelve
> tons, depending.
> Just
> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds
> for
> load capability. The
>
> P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco
> ever did--it was
> fabricated in Jacques
>
> Piccard's shop in Switzerland under
> contract, and
> was
> lap
> finished, as I
> understand it--both
> inside and out. Lovely thing,
> P-VI. I
> remember her well.
>
> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it
> out into
> a dumpster. That
> might
> be another question for our Dr.
> Phil, as I have zero
> contacts up that
> way
> anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll
> happily spin a
> wrench for
>
> you anytime on one of
> those.
>
> Vance
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> Excellent info
> Vance! Thank you so much. I was
> hopeing
> to locate one and
>
> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather
> than
> try to build a 1000m
>
> boat from scratch. Any more pointers
> would be
> awesome.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
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> Scott Waters
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> P-I Scrapped out by
>
> Vickers
>
> P-II
> Rumored
> to be in a Miami storage unit
> (unconfirmed)
>
>
> P-III ?
>
>
> P-IV In Hawaii and
> in service (but stony broke, I hear)
>
>
>
> P-V
> Ditto
>
> P-VI
> IUC warehouse in
> New York, maybe parted
> out
>
>
>
> P-VII In a Russian
> museum (Sevastopol, I
> think)
>
>
> P-VIII
> Nuytco
>
>
>
> P-IX
> Design
> study
> for Intersub (4K
> meters, never
> built)
>
> P-X
> Nuytco
>
>
> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front
> doors, last I
> saw)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Plus Leo, which
> was a big-window Pisces
> style rated to
> 2000'
> which, along with P-VI and
> Aquarius, are the only
> Hyco
> boats
> that I qualified
> on
> and operated (although the P-VI
> experience was not a
> good
>
> one for me or the
> owners, either
> one). I did participate in a Pisces V
>
> overhaul in Houston, but
> I'm not
> sure that counts except for the busted
>
> knuckles.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think the boys at Silvercrest might
>
> have one of the question
> marks, but
> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that
>
> leaves
> one unaccounted for. I'm
> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know.
> As a side
> note,
> if
> you look at the
> Mirs,
> you will see where they sprang from. They are
> Pisces
> boats on steroids.
>
> Those people worked at IUC for a couple
> of years and
> operated P-VII and P-XII
>
> for years after that, then took all
> those dandy
> ideas,
>
> added
> a pile of rubles,
> and built a couple of big brawny kissing
> cousins. Mir
> 1
> &
> Mir 2, by name.
> The Pisces subs were
> pretty good for the day, but
> maintenance
> heavy. And rest
> assured, you
> haven't really lived until you have
>
> pulled
> a Pisces battery box at
> sea to change one cell. What a job!!!
>
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> Vance
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> Scott,
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>
>
> Hawaii
> undersea research lab on Oahu has
> two
> subs.
>
>
> One I know
> is a Pisces & I believe the
> other is also.
>
>
> I think
> David Columbo has seen them in the
> last year,
>
>
> he might
> confirm.
>
>
> They told me they were
> losing
> funding for operating them
>
>
>
> as Govt considered rovs were
> better
> value for money.
>
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> Alan
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> Does
> anyone know what happened to all
> the Pisces submarines? I believe there
was
> 10 built,
> but
> only one
> or two that
> are still in operation. I
> think NOAA has one.
>
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>
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> Thanks,
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