[PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo

Tue Jan 6 11:12:28 EST 2015

Interesting thing, the order of those two events!

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:57 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via
Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> An update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep water after a
> insurance claim some time ago.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
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>
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> Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>
> It would surely be nice to find Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one,
> just for old time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually certain that
> those particular hull(s) were built of A516Gr70, like most of the boats of
> the day (and most of the boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the
> ones without cyrillic operating manuals).
>
>  I don't remember how thick the steel was, but it was definitely made
> from standard stuff. Plus, the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!!
> Diving that thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two (or
> enough for three good friends) and that huge picture window in the front.
>
>  If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last P-style boat) I'm betting there
> would be more of them out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's
> stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by comparison) and I
> think it was a really good try. Sadly, it all fell apart before we could
> really show her off.
>
>  We did all the deepwater pilot training in her down on the Flower
> Gardens, and had a ball. These days, she'd be even better, because the
> subsystems and propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for
> 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that for an option, Scott?
>
>  No fancy steel. Huge viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2
> foot sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle Phil's aluminum
> pods in back with a block of foam to support them. Fair the thing like a
> fat tadpole. You could probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons.
>
>  Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh that, and a good bit more.
> Yours would be a lightweight compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to
> build, more agile, easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be
> better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck of the woods.
>
>  Vance
>
>
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> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>
>  Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the
> material and building of the personel sphere.
> Scott Waters
>
>
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> From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles
> Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>
>  Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!!
>
> Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs  . .We (Nuytco) have
> four Hyco boats – 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL
> (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) – they are out of service, currently and
> may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry
> Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There
> are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,
> actually , outside a museum). Pisces –1, is in the UK, last seen, it  was
> in parts. Likewise, P-6  is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the
> sinking of IUC’s vessel ‘Aloha’) and what’s left is in New York as Vance
> mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend  Andre Galerne (before his
> untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ‘working
> sub’ Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery
> Centre’ diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind
> enough to honour Andre’s wishes  and we will arrange shipment to the west
> coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer
> clear of this one – we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and
> P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ‘Leo’ – I heard some years ago
> that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to
> it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the
> P-boats now is the personnel sphere – you’d probably be better off building
> one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less – after the first
> thou, the spheres get much more expensive.
> Reagards
> Phil
>
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> *Sent:* Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM
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>  Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
>
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> From: via Personal_Submersibles
> Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00)
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>
> International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was
> one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's
> happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one,
> too. He knew/knows all those guys.
> Vance
>
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>  Vance,
> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this.
> Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
>
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> From: via Personal_Submersibles
> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>
> Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half
> an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle
> with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has
> an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if
> the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo).
> The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward
> VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so
> distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just
> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The
> P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques
> Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I
> understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her
> well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster.
> That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up
> that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you
> anytime on one of those.
> Vance
>
>
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>  Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and
> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a
> 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
>
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>
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> From: via Personal_Submersibles
> Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>
> P-I Scrapped out by Vickers
> P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed)
> P-III ?
> P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear)
> P-V Ditto
> P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out
> P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think)
> P-VIII Nuytco
> P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built)
> P-X Nuytco
> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw)
>
>  Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which,
> along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on
> and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the
> owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston,
> but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles.
>
>  I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks,
> but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm
> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at
> the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on
> steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated
> P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas,
> added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins.
> Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but
> maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you
> have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!!
>
>  Vance
>
>
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>   Scott,
> Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs.
> One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also.
> I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year,
> he might confirm.
> They told me they were losing funding for operating them
> as Govt considered rovs were better value for money.
> Alan
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM
> *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>
>  Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe
> there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I
> think NOAA has one.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
>
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