[PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge

Fri Sep 5 19:11:01 EDT 2014

Hank, can you send a picture?

Cliff R

> On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:56 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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> I built my barge for under 1,000 dollars plus the crane, witch I had laying around. 
> Hank
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> On Fri, 9/5/14, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge
> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 6:26 PM
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> Sounds like a lot of $$$
> dollar signs ! I wonder if the subs
> were partially in the water if it might make the barge more
> stable. Brian
> 
> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote:
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> From: Douglas Suhr via
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> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:02:58 -0400
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> Or even
> if we could just find a couple of nice, big aluminum tubes
> or fiberglass hulls to work with, that would give us a major
> head start on designing the rest of the system. 
> Before we do anything else though, I
> think we should consider weights and sizes. Do we want to be
> able to handle two subs at once, or just one? Or maybe an
> option of one large sub (5000lbs.) or two small subs
> (2500lbs. each)? A sub is a fairly dense item so trying to
> handle two subs at once may present issues with stability
> (i.e. after the first sub has launched and the second sub is
> on one end of the barge, thrown in with a mix of wave
> action... yikes! Launching two subs simultaneously is a
> possible solution but would present its own challenges and
> dangers). 
> I'd
> love to say we'll just build it bigger, but I think
> it's important to keep this project reasonable and road
> trailerable (even if in stages) behind regular tow vehicles
> (and not tractor trailers). 
> Perhaps limiting ourselves to a
> single-vessel barge would be best (and would conform to the
> KISS guidelines), but it would sure be nice to have a
> two-vessel capability to get the most bang for our buck in
> terms of diving per ocean trip. Opinions?
>  
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> On
> Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Cliff Redus via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> wrote:
> That would be
> easier.  Maybe we should all be on the lookout for used
> barge that we could do a make over on.
> 
> 
> Cliff
> 
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>  From: "swaters at waters-ks.com
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> Is there any
> kind of used boat we could buy and modify
> it?Thanks,Scott Waters
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> From: Cliff Redus via
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> Date:09/05/2014 
> 3:57 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
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> Subject:
> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge 
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> From a practical point of
>  view, if we did build a PSub Launch barge, it would have to
> be fairly simple and follow the KISS principle to get it of
> the drawing board and built by a committee.  I for one
> don't have the time to design a self powered ship.  I
> am thinking a larger version of a typical pontoon boat that
> could be towed by the Boston Whaler.  We would need someone
> like Jon to be able to set up something like a dropbox
> account that anyone could populate with files, drawing,
> sketches, CAD files  etc.  We would have to collectively
> establish the overall capability of the barge ( how many
> psubs, maximum weight of psubs, wench/davit system for
> launch and retrieval, auxiliary systems such as lights). 
> Someone that has a 3-D cad program like Inventor or
> Solidworks would have to agree to take sketches and ideas
> folks come up with and build out 3-D model that we could
> collectively critique and make suggested changes to. 
> Someone would need to do
>  the basic
>  stability calcs with loaded or
> partially loaded deck.  Some one would need to do some
> research on launch and retrieval systems, such as davits 
> or winches and bring forward a couple of recommendations. 
> Someone that is a welder (like Dan Lance) would need to
> review the construction drawing to make sure welding plan is
> workable.  Someone would have to figure out where you would
> store the barge when not in use.  Some one would need to
> figure out a coating plan for the barge.  Someone would
> have to take on looking at what regulations we would need to
> meet to use this in the Florida Keys.  Someone would have
> to do a material takeoff off construction drawings and
> figure out the cost to build and establish a budget.  If we
> did build a psub barge, we would need to pole the group and
> see how many would be willing to split the cost to fabricate
> based on the estimated cost.  We would need someone to
> agree
>  to fabricate the weldments and assembly.  We would need
> to
>  figure out where to build it and what it
> would cost to transport it the Keys.  We would have to
> figure out how to register such a barge. Would Psubs own the
> barge or would it make since for Doug to own?  Are there
> any legal liabilities of having such a barge and if so who
> would be liable?  We would need someone that is not
> currently building a psub to agree to be the Barge
> Bulldog!
> 
> Or if someone
> would agree to do all the above, maybe we just pass the hat
> and let them do it.
> 
> Cliff
> 
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> 
> What a rig Brian, and a decomp
> chamber to
>  boot! 
> I like the idea of a group-designed
> and group-built support ship, my only concern being the
> logistics of coordinating a project of that magnitude.
> I'm sure it could be done well given the proper
> leadership and organization though, especially considering
> the diverse skillset we would share as a team from designing
> to fabrication. And I don't think anyone would complain
> about the benefits of a support barge. 
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