From MerlinSub at t-online.de  Sat Feb  1 05:52:00 2014
From: MerlinSub at t-online.de ( )
Date: 01 Feb 2014 10:52 GMT
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MIdget subs at D-day
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Hmm.. with the Queen Mary II not more than 48 hours..  ;-)


<vbra676539 at aol.com> schrieb: 
I ordered the book but it has to come from the UK. Might take a month,
so it'll be awhile before I can give a book report. 
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MIdget subs at D-day


Carsten,


Finding X-5 from "Operation Source" would make give you and your
operation much notoriety.


Joe 

Sent from my overpriced  
iPhone

On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:34 PM, " " <MerlinSub at t-online.de> wrote:


 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tip-Spear-Submarines-Pamela-Mitchell/dp/1872955142

I can recommed this book.
Is written by Pamela, the daughter of the yard owner which developand
build the subs. 
We exchange some letters many years ago to try to figure out the missing
fates. 
A  lot of inside storys from first hand. 

vbr Carsten 

"Alan James" <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> schrieb: 
Jim,
5 men, 5 days in a sub on a diet of baked beans,
Goshh they were tough in those days.
Alan




From: "jimtoddpsub at aol.com" <jimtoddpsub at aol.com>
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 8:33 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MIdget subs at D-day



Phil,

Your D-day story left me curious to know more; found this: 
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/midget_submarines_d_day.htm

Jim

Midget Submarines and D Day
X-boats midget-submarines were used at D-Day by the British to ensure
that their landings went well. The crews of the X-boats were made up of
commandos from the elite Combined Operations Pilotage and Reconnaissance
Parties, formed on the orders of Lord Louis Mountbatten. After the
disaster that befell the Allies at Dieppe, everything was done to ensure
success on June 6th 1944. 

Five days before June 5th the original date for D-Day two X-boats sailed
from Hayling Island, Hampshire. Each midget submarine had a crew of five
men on board. It would be their task to guide in the British landing
craft at Sword Beach. The fear was that the landing craft might drift
towards rocks that skirted the specific landing points at Sword and it
was the task on the submarine crews to ensure the landing craft stayed
on course. 

The space in each of the X-boats was extremely limited. Each submarine
was just 51 feet in length and a maximum of 6 feet in width. The crew
could not stand up once inside the X-boats. The crews took it in turns
to have a four-hour sleep in the battery compartment of the X-boats and
their diet was mainly tea and baked beans. 

Once the crews had sailed to the beaches they simply had to lay in wait
and vitally, ensure that they were not spotted by the Germans. If one
had been spotted, it is quite possible that the game would have been up
in terms of a surprise landing even if Hitler was convinced that the
Allies would land in the Pays de Calais. The expertise of the crews was
such that they watched unnoticed via periscope German soldiers playing
football on Sword Beach just one day before the planned landings. 

However, both submarines had to surface at 22.00 to listen to the BBC
news broadcast at that time. While they were submerged neither crew
could hear the news. It was vital that they did as a secret message was
going to be broadcast on one of the bulletins that would tell them that
the landings were on and that they had to be ready to do what was
required of them. 

During one of these broadcasts, the crews learnt that the landings were
going to be delayed by a day. This put them in a quandary as they did
not know if they had enough oxygen on board to last them. When it was
felt possible to do so, the crews would surface to allow the men to have
a quick walk about on deck and to take in some fresh air.  

The 22.00 BBC news on June 5th informed both crews via a secret message
that D-Day was about to start. They now knew that they had to be on duty
at 04.00 on June 6th. They first knew the landings had started when a
huge fleet of bombers flew above them to bomb German positions along the
coastline. The two crews knew that it would not be much longer before
the landing crafts arrived and it would their task to ensure they sailed
on the right course to Sword Beach. The landing craft homed in on the
lights that came from the two X-boats. Casualties at Sword Beach were
minimal when the sheer magnitude of the raid is taken into account. 
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Nuytten <phil at philnuytten.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2014 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Underwater Intervention Convension


Jon . . ahem, ahem, (jes clearin ma throat) Nuytco has always been at
the UI submersible track year after year. This year well be talking
about our 2013 work surveying and videoing the WW2 Normandy Invasion
fleet, most of which is still underwater. This was for History Channel
and will air this year the 70th anniversary of Juneau,Omaha, Sword, etc.
The shots of the Sherman tanks laying higgeldy piggeldy (sp?) all over
the bottom are incredible. Jeff Heaton, Nuytcos senior ops manager had
the unusual pleasure of using Aquarius to take down a 92 year old
survivor of the invasion who was last there in 1944 aboard a small
submarine, two days before the invasion - to set lighting on the bottom
to guide in the troop carriers (the original schedule called for a night
landing) the story of he and his crew lying doggo on the bottom for
nearly two days offshore of the landing site as weather changes kept
re-arranging the schedule specially as they had to surface at night to
get communication on the changing plans   well, its quite a story!   
Phil
From: Jon Wallace 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:13 PM
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion 
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Underwater Intervention Convension


I think others will agree, the majority of attendees are there for ROV
related sessions.  I have only ever attended the manned vehicle sessions
and never experienced an issue of not having a seat.  The convention
center and session rooms are not small...we're not talking PSUBS size
event here.  The technical session rooms have seats for...I'm
guessing...200 people?  And there is plenty of "standing room" if all
the seats were taken.  

ABS reps usually attend because they have discussions about proposed
rule changes...can't recall the gentleman's name at the moment.  I don't
think I've seen a sub manufacturer other than Will Kohnen (seamagine)
whom is the coordinator of the manned vehicle sessions at the
convention.

You'll have a good time there.  It's worth the trip and no doubt there
should be some psubbers in attendance as well.

Jon


On 1/30/2014 3:38 PM, Alan James wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking  at going to the U.I. New Orleans convention in 10 days
time, & in
particular attending the underwater vehicle technical sessions.
The registration fee entitles you to attend the technical sessions, so
it seems the numbers
at each session aren't restricted. They had 2,450 attendees last year so
I'm wondering whether
I run the risk of missing out through lack of seats in the session
rooms. Any experience with this 
from others who have attended these sessions? Also are ABS or
submersible manufacturers 
represented there?
Have tried calling U.I. a couple of times but haven't been lucky.
Thanks for the heads up on the conference Douglas.
Hank, from G.L. rules...The CO2 pressure needs to be kept below 0.01
bar
Alan



 

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From psub101 at indy.rr.com  Sat Feb  1 08:52:56 2014
From: psub101 at indy.rr.com (Steve McQueen)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 08:52:56 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Sonar Implementation
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References: <CAAGGCGyffVhauOFb+FL3OYBAj_EWUvnf6LCUfZKezuH4qJpf-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Alec, yes. I agree. My initial approach is basic old school. The tech
support guys at Teledyne are very helpful and I'm sure it has been done
before.  Good feedback ( I wasn't sure that email made it to the thread).
Thanks.


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Private <alecsmyth at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> I find a laptop hard to imagine in a 250 just due to space constraints. I
> think the first thing I'd look at is whether one could interface the sonar
> to a tablet instead. Note that an iPad, for instance, has a 12 hour battery
> so you would save space, amps, and money by getting rid of the DC-AC
> converter.
>
> Best,
>
> Alec
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>
> All, thought I would share an exercise I am noodling through. As an off
> shoot to developing my K-250 electrical layout I am looking at what it
> would take to add (later) a sonar system based on a 12V DC system.  Thought
> I could get some feedback as well as provide an "example" for others
> considering a similar scenario.
>
> On the Psubs site under Submitter/Steve McQueen/K-250 Sonar Electrical you
> can find my initial version of a wiring diagram. In this example I used
> easily found components as a base reference.
>
> My current self inflicted design constraints:
> Implementation of the Teledyne BlueView M-900 2D imaging sonar
> Utilization of laptop for viewing (vs. separate processor with remote
> monitor)
> Dedicated 12V DC sourced (separate from main 12V DC bank)
> 4 hours of run time
>
> I am sure my initial design can be made more efficient. The initial design
> has 2 parallel 12V/150 Ah batteries which are larger and heavier than I'd
> like (22x4x11 inches or 560x110x280 mm and 89.3 lbs or 40.5 kg). This
> design gives 3.9 hrs of run time
>
> For me the design goal is to reduce battery footprint (size/weight)
>
> Any comments? Anyone have sonar based on 12V DC?
>
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  1 09:26:27 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 06:26:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Sonar Implementation
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Steve,

I've briefly looked at this issue for myself down the road.
Hyperdrive,?? http://www.hypershop.com/HyperDrive/iUSBport/? makes a wireless USB port device for iPad, I have one. Perhaps that would make the tablet interface doable.

If? PC is a must, Panasonic Tough-book is reduced scale, and both shock and water resistant. It's the laptop of choice for EMS personnel. It is pricey as a result. Perhaps it can be sourced from a guy named "Bear" at the local pawn shop?! :)


Joe




On Saturday, February 1, 2014 8:54 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
 
Alec, yes. I agree. My initial approach is basic old school. The tech support guys at Teledyne are very helpful and I'm sure it has been done before.? Good feedback ( I wasn't sure that email made it to the thread).
Thanks.




On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Private <alecsmyth at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Steve,
>
>
>I find a laptop hard to imagine in a 250 just due to space constraints. I think the first thing I'd look at is whether one could interface the sonar to a tablet instead. Note that an iPad, for instance, has a 12 hour battery so you would save space, amps, and money by getting rid of the DC-AC converter.
>
>
>Best,
>
>
>Alec
>
>
>
>
>
>On Jan 31, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>All, thought I would share an 
exercise I am noodling through. As an off shoot to developing my K-250 
electrical layout I am looking at what it would take to add (later) a 
sonar system based on a 12V DC system.? Thought I could get some 
feedback as well as provide an "example" for others considering a 
similar scenario.
>>
>>On the Psubs site under Submitter/Steve McQueen/K-250 Sonar Electrical you can find my initial version of a wiring diagram. 
In this example I used easily found components as a base reference.
>>
>>My current self inflicted design constraints:
>>Implementation of the Teledyne BlueView M-900 2D imaging sonar 
>>Utilization of laptop for viewing (vs. separate processor with remote monitor)
>>Dedicated 12V DC sourced (separate from main 12V DC bank)
>>4 hours of run time
>>
>>I am sure my initial design can 
be made more efficient. The initial design has 2 parallel 12V/150 Ah 
batteries which are larger and heavier than I'd like (22x4x11 inches or 
560x110x280 mm and 89.3 lbs or 40.5 kg). This design gives 3.9 hrs of 
run time 
>>
>>For me the design goal is to reduce battery footprint (size/weight)
>>
>>Any comments? Anyone have sonar based on 12V DC?
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From psub101 at indy.rr.com  Sat Feb  1 19:13:48 2014
From: psub101 at indy.rr.com (Steve McQueen)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 19:13:48 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Sonar Implementation
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Joe, thanks for the feedback.

It is funny how posting an idea will all of a sudden opens your eyes to
other solutions : )

Based on Alec's comment I can see that for my 4 hour operational
requirement I could potentially just utilize the laptop or tablet's
internal battery (maybe have to also use a spare battery) vs. the power
suck of trying to generate 120V AC. This way I would only need to supply
the sonar head and I could do this easily with a small AGM battery.

Steve


On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Steve,
>
> I've briefly looked at this issue for myself down the road.
> Hyperdrive,   http://www.hypershop.com/HyperDrive/iUSBport/  makes a
> wireless USB port device for iPad, I have one. Perhaps that would make the
> tablet interface doable.
>
> If  PC is a must, Panasonic Tough-book is reduced scale, and both shock
> and water resistant. It's the laptop of choice for EMS personnel. It is
> pricey as a result. Perhaps it can be sourced from a guy named "Bear" at
> the local pawn shop?! :)
>
> Joe
>
>
>   On Saturday, February 1, 2014 8:54 AM, Steve McQueen <
> psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>  Alec, yes. I agree. My initial approach is basic old school. The tech
> support guys at Teledyne are very helpful and I'm sure it has been done
> before.  Good feedback ( I wasn't sure that email made it to the thread).
> Thanks.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Private <alecsmyth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I find a laptop hard to imagine in a 250 just due to space constraints. I
> think the first thing I'd look at is whether one could interface the sonar
> to a tablet instead. Note that an iPad, for instance, has a 12 hour battery
> so you would save space, amps, and money by getting rid of the DC-AC
> converter.
>
> Best,
>
> Alec
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>
> All, thought I would share an exercise I am noodling through. As an off
> shoot to developing my K-250 electrical layout I am looking at what it
> would take to add (later) a sonar system based on a 12V DC system.  Thought
> I could get some feedback as well as provide an "example" for others
> considering a similar scenario.
>
> On the Psubs site under Submitter/Steve McQueen/K-250 Sonar Electrical you
> can find my initial version of a wiring diagram. In this example I used
> easily found components as a base reference.
>
> My current self inflicted design constraints:
> Implementation of the Teledyne BlueView M-900 2D imaging sonar
> Utilization of laptop for viewing (vs. separate processor with remote
> monitor)
> Dedicated 12V DC sourced (separate from main 12V DC bank)
> 4 hours of run time
>
> I am sure my initial design can be made more efficient. The initial design
> has 2 parallel 12V/150 Ah batteries which are larger and heavier than I'd
> like (22x4x11 inches or 560x110x280 mm and 89.3 lbs or 40.5 kg). This
> design gives 3.9 hrs of run time
>
> For me the design goal is to reduce battery footprint (size/weight)
>
> Any comments? Anyone have sonar based on 12V DC?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Personal_Submersibles mailing list
> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>
>
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>
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  1 21:05:44 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 18:05:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Sonar Implementation
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My pleasure Steve<br/><br/>Sonar imaging is a science discipline within itself as well as both fun and practical. I used to paint wrecks on a simple fish finder using  bearings on landmarks pre-GPS, fun and challenging. After GPS it became a snap.<br/><br/>I want the capability too even though my visibility here in Florida ranges 25' -100'. At those ranges it's pretty much a luxury.<br/><br/>Looking forward to seeing your K250 up and running.<br/><br/><br/>Joe<a href="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS"><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad</a>
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From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com  Tue Feb  4 05:31:05 2014
From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 10:31:05 +0000
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
Message-ID: <CAHpB=UA-EJDLtdPP3X2CWZz_4D8j4b_OhVrMbGYdH7y0gqi7Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Does anyone have any experience in cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type
cable.  I'm going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are on
the handles like they should be.  Where they are at the moment its awkward
to steer and operate the power at the same time.  Ideally i'd like to cut
the ribbon cable and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.  But
im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them back together.

Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the blue pots on the
end.  I want to extend these to the handles.

http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm

Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on Guppy.  Last pictures on
his page.

http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/

Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back together?

Kind Regards
James
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb  5 21:06:24 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:06:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
Message-ID: <1391652384.64226.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten? and see all the wonderful subs.? Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.? I had a great time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do things.? 
Thank you Dr Nuytten.

I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970 feet in a week or so.? I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and retrieve it 1hr later.? I would like a back up, some way for a timer to tell Gamma it is time to come home.? Any ideas would help, I have never tried putting a backup together.
Hank
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  5 22:33:41 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 19:33:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
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Hank,
I'm jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done.
I have a few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system;
If you had solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it ?would
be very easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a problem
adding in retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door openers
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943

& fit them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programmable-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html

& wire it up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one.
I take no responsibility if Gamma is lost.
Regards Alan


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 From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:06 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
 


While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten? and see all the wonderful subs.? Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.? I had a great time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do things.? 
Thank you Dr Nuytten.

I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970 feet in a week or so.? I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and retrieve it 1hr later.? I would like a back up, some way for a timer to tell Gamma it is time to come home.? Any ideas would help, I have never tried putting a backup together.
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From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 19:45:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
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References: <1391652384.64226.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Alec,
Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.? It is frightening spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on a line.? I will give you a call tomorrow after supper your time.
Hank



On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Hank,
I'm jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done.
I have a few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system;
If you had solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it ?would
be very easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a problem
adding in retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door openers
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943

& fit them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programmable-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html

& wire it up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one.
I take no responsibility if Gamma is lost.
Regards Alan
 

________________________________
 From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:06 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
  


While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten? and see all the wonderful subs.? Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.? I had a great time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do things.? 
Thank you Dr Nuytten.

I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970 feet in a week or so.? I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and retrieve it 1hr later.? I would like a back up, some way for a timer to tell Gamma it is time to come home.? Any ideas would help, I have never tried putting a backup together.
Hank
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From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 20:09:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
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Hi Hank,
It's Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He might
comment when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used to
open an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a handle
on the air line.
You would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface.
Another thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have an?
electronic water sensor that additionally operated the system in case there was?
a substantial leak.
Alan



________________________________
 From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
 


Alec,
Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.? It is frightening spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on a line.? I will give you a call tomorrow after supper your time.
Hank



On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Hank,
I'm jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done.
I have a few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system;
If you had solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it ?would
be very easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a problem
adding in retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door openers
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943

& fit them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programmable-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html

& wire it up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one.
I take no responsibility if Gamma is lost.
Regards Alan

From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:06 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
 


While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten? and see all the wonderful subs.? Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.? I had a great time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do things.? 
Thank you Dr Nuytten.

I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970 feet in a week or so.? I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and retrieve it 1hr later.? I would like a back up, some way for a timer to tell Gamma it is time to come home.? Any ideas would help, I have never tried putting a backup together.
Hank
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From JimToddPsub at aol.com  Wed Feb  5 23:58:12 2014
From: JimToddPsub at aol.com (JimToddPsub at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:58:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
Message-ID: <1157d.651e5743.40247069@aol.com>

Hey Hank,
 
Glad to hear you had an opportunity to drive to Vancouver and  call on Dr. 
Phil.  That's quite a drive, but a bit warmer there.  Is  Slocan Lake about 
six hours drive for you?
 
Do you have any plans for data logging during Gamma's tea bag  test such as 
internal temp and presure?
 
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 2/5/2014 10:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com writes:

 
Hi Hank,
It's  Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He  might
comment  when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used  
to
open  an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a  
handle
on  the air line.
You  would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface.
Another  thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have  
an 
electronic  water sensor that additionally operated the system in case 
there  was 
a  substantial leak.
Alan





 
  
____________________________________
 From:  hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General  Discussion 
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:45  PM
Subject: Re:  [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit



 
 
Alec,
Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.  It is  frightening 
spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on a  line.  I 
will give you a call tomorrow after supper your  time.
Hank



 
 
On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00  PM, Alan James 
<alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:


 
 
 
Hank,
I'm jealous  of your visit to Nuytco, well done.
I have a few  random ideas of what you could do for your back up system;
If you had  solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it 
 would
be very easy  to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a  
problem
adding in  retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric 
car door  openers

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-
For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943

& fit  them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't 
gutsy enough  you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a 
cheap electronic  12V DC timer. Like this one.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programm
able-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html

& wire it up.  Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see 
why you couldn't  use a mains power timer if you have one.
I take no  responsibility if Gamma is lost.
Regards Alan



 
 
 

From: hank  pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General  Discussion 
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:06  PM
Subject:  [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit



 
 
While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to  
drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten  and see all the wonderful  subs.  
Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the morning  showing 
me DW's and some mature subs as well.  I had a great time  listening to 
fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do things.   
Thank you Dr Nuytten.


I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970 feet  
in a week or so.  I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and retrieve it  1hr 
later.  I would like a back up, some way for a timer to tell Gamma it  is 
time to come home.  Any ideas would help, I have never tried putting a  backup 
together.
Hank





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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Thu Feb  6 00:28:43 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 00:28:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
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There is a company that makes dissolving links for this kind of thing. I believe you can order them to break in pretty specific time frames. If you are using a ballast weight, the link would be in line between it and the sub. You bring it up on time, or in a few more hours, it comes up on its own. Speaking of coming up, better figure buoyancy against the weight of wire, too. That stuff is heavy.
Vance



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Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:09 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit



Hi Hank,
It's Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He might
comment when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used to
open an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a handle
on the air line.
You would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface.
Another thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have an 
electronic water sensor that additionally operated the system in case there was 
a substantial leak.
Alan




  
 
 
 
   From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
  
 



Alec,
Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.  It is frightening spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on a line.  I will give you a call tomorrow after supper your time.
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
  


Hank,
I'm jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done.
I have a few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system;
If you had solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it  would
be very easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a problem
adding in retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door openers

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943

& fit them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programmable-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html

& wire it up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one.
I take no responsibility if Gamma is lost.
Regards Alan


  
 
 
 
   From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:06 PM
 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
  
 



While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten  and see all the wonderful subs.  Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.  I had a great time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do things.  
Thank you Dr Nuytten.


I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970 feet in a week or so.  I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and retrieve it 1hr later.  I would like a back up, some way for a timer to tell Gamma it is time to come home.  Any ideas would help, I have never tried putting a backup together.
Hank



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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Thu Feb  6 00:31:25 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 00:31:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
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Let me think. Post testing results: Internal pressure--as set. Internal temperature after 3 hours in a Canadian lake in February. Hmm. Best estimate, cold, cold, fricking COLD!!!.
Vance



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Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2014 11:58 pm
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Hey Hank,
 
Glad to hear you had an opportunity to drive to Vancouver and call on Dr. Phil.  That's quite a drive, but a bit warmer there.  Is Slocan Lake about six hours drive for you?
 
Do you have any plans for data logging during Gamma's tea bag test such as internal temp and presure?
 
Jim
 

In a message dated 2/5/2014 10:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com writes:
  
  
Hi Hank,
  
It's   Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He   might
  
comment   when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used   to
  
open   an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a   handle
  
on   the air line.
  
You   would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface.
  
Another   thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have   an 
  
electronic   water sensor that additionally operated the system in case there   was 
  
a   substantial leak.
  
Alan
  


  


  
  
  
  
  From:   hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General   Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:45   PM
Subject: Re:   [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit

  

  
  
  
  
Alec,
  
Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.  It is   frightening spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on a   line.  I will give you a call tomorrow after supper your   time.
  
Hank
  


  
  
  
  
On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00   PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
Hank,
  
I'm jealous   of your visit to Nuytco, well done.
  
I have a few   random ideas of what you could do for your back up system;
  
If you had   solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it    would
  
be very easy   to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a   problem
  
adding in   retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door   openers
  
  
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943

  
& fit   them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy enough   you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap electronic   12V DC timer. Like this one.
  
  
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programmable-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html

  
& wire it up.   Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you couldn't   use a mains power timer if you have one.
  
I take no   responsibility if Gamma is lost.
  
Regards Alan
  


  
  
  
  
  
From: hank   pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General   Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:06   PM
Subject:   [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit

  

  
  
  
  
While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to   drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten  and see all the wonderful   subs.  Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the morning   showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.  I had a great time   listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do things.    
  
Thank you Dr Nuytten.
  


  
I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970 feet   in a week or so.  I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and retrieve it   1hr later.  I would like a back up, some way for a timer to tell Gamma it   is time to come home.  Any ideas would help, I have never tried putting a   backup together.
  
Hank
  



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From JimToddPsub at aol.com  Thu Feb  6 01:19:05 2014
From: JimToddPsub at aol.com (JimToddPsub at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 01:19:05 -0500 (EST)
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Come to think of it, it's already going to be cold before it  ever goes 
into the water.  The temp sitting on the barge isn't likely to be  much 
different than it is at 1000 feet deep.  Summertime is a different  story.  The 
only other things I can think of that would increase pressure  would be a water 
leak, an internal air system leak, or the slight compression of  the hull.
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 2/5/2014 11:32:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
vbra676539 at aol.com writes:

Let me think. Post testing results: Internal  pressure--as set. Internal 
temperature after 3 hours in a Canadian lake in  February. Hmm. Best estimate, 
cold, cold, fricking COLD!!!.  
Vance


-----Original  Message-----
From: JimToddPsub <JimToddPsub at aol.com>
To:  personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Wed,  Feb 5, 2014 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit


 
Hey Hank,
 
Glad to hear you had an opportunity to drive to Vancouver  and call on Dr. 
Phil.  That's quite a drive, but a bit warmer  there.  Is Slocan Lake about 
six hours drive for you?
 
Do you have any plans for data logging during Gamma's tea  bag test such as 
internal temp and presure?
 
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 2/5/2014 10:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
_alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com_ (mailto:alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com)   writes:

 
Hi Hank,
It's  Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He  might
comment  when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used  
to
open  an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a  
handle
on  the air line.
You  would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface.
Another  thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have  
an 
electronic  water sensor that additionally operated the system in case 
there  was 
a  substantial leak.
Alan





 
  
____________________________________
 From:  hank pronk <_hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca_ 
(mailto:hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca) >
To: Personal Submersibles General  Discussion 
<_personal_submersibles at psubs.org_ (mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org) >  
Sent: Thursday, February  6, 2014 4:45 PM
Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit



 
 
Alec,
Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.  It is  frightening 
spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on  a line.  I 
will give you a call tomorrow after supper your  time.
Hank



 
 
On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00  PM, Alan James 
<_alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com_ (mailto:alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com) >  wrote:


 
 
 
Hank,
I'm  jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done.
I have a  few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system;
If you had  solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it 
 would
be very  easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a  
problem
adding in  retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric 
car door  openers

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-
For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943

& fit  them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't 
gutsy  enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a 
cheap  electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programm
able-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html

& wire it  up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see 
why you  couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one.
I take no  responsibility if Gamma is lost.
Regards  Alan



 
 
 

From: hank  pronk <_hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca_ 
(mailto:hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca) >
To: Personal  Submersibles General Discussion 
<_personal_submersibles at psubs.org_ (mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org) >  
Sent: Thursday,  February 6, 2014 3:06 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco  visit



 
 
While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to  
drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten  and see all the wonderful  subs.  
Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the  morning showing 
me DW's and some mature subs as well.  I had a great  time listening to 
fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do  things.  
Thank you Dr Nuytten.


I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970  feet 
in a week or so.  I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and  retrieve it 1hr 
later.  I would like a back up, some way for a timer to  tell Gamma it is 
time to come home.  Any ideas would help, I have never  tried putting a backup 
together.
Hank





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From: alecsmyth at gmail.com (Private)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:07:35 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
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Heh, I'd emailed Hank off list offering the loan of an "auto surfacer" for his depth test. It's a device that blows your ballast when either a timer reaches it's setting or water is detected in the bilges. 

Best,

Alec



> On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Hank,
> It's Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He might
> comment when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used to
> open an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a handle
> on the air line.
> You would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface.
> Another thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have an 
> electronic water sensor that additionally operated the system in case there was 
> a substantial leak.
> Alan
> 
> 
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
> 
> Alec,
> Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.  It is frightening spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on a line.  I will give you a call tomorrow after supper your time.
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hank,
> I'm jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done.
> I have a few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system;
> If you had solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it  would
> be very easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a problem
> adding in retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door openers
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943
> & fit them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.
> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programmable-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html
> & wire it up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one.
> I take no responsibility if Gamma is lost.
> Regards Alan
> 
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:06 PM
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
> 
> While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten  and see all the wonderful subs.  Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.  I had a great time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do things.  
> Thank you Dr Nuytten.
> 
> I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970 feet in a week or so.  I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and retrieve it 1hr later.  I would like a back up, some way for a timer to tell Gamma it is time to come home.  Any ideas would help, I have never tried putting a backup together.
> Hank
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Thu Feb  6 08:10:50 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:10:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
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In the North Sea, it was cold down there, but the air temps were often colder.
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: JimToddPsub <JimToddPsub at aol.com>
To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:19 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit



Come to think of it, it's already going to be cold before it ever goes into the water.  The temp sitting on the barge isn't likely to be much different than it is at 1000 feet deep.  Summertime is a different story.  The only other things I can think of that would increase pressure would be a water leak, an internal air system leak, or the slight compression of the hull.
Jim
 

In a message dated 2/5/2014 11:32:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes:
Let me think. Post testing results: Internal   pressure--as set. Internal temperature after 3 hours in a Canadian lake in   February. Hmm. Best estimate, cold, cold, fricking COLD!!!.   
Vance


  
-----Original   Message-----
From: JimToddPsub <JimToddPsub at aol.com>
To:   personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Wed,   Feb 5, 2014 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit

  
  
  
Hey Hank,
  
 
  
Glad to hear you had an opportunity to drive to Vancouver   and call on Dr. Phil.  That's quite a drive, but a bit warmer   there.  Is Slocan Lake about six hours drive for you?
  
 
  
Do you have any plans for data logging during Gamma's tea   bag test such as internal temp and presure?
  
 
  
Jim
  
 
  
  
In a message dated 2/5/2014 10:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com   writes:
  
    
    
Hi Hank,
    
It's     Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He     might
    
comment     when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used     to
    
open     an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a     handle
    
on     the air line.
    
You     would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface.
    
Another     thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have     an 
    
electronic     water sensor that additionally operated the system in case there     was 
    
a     substantial leak.
    
Alan
    


    


    
    
    
    
    From:     hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General     Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>     
Sent: Thursday, February     6, 2014 4:45 PM
Subject:     Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit

    

    
    
    
    
Alec,
    
Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.  It is     frightening spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on     a line.  I will give you a call tomorrow after supper your     time.
    
Hank
    


    
    
    
    
On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00     PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>     wrote:

    
    
    
    
    
Hank,
    
I'm     jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done.
    
I have a     few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system;
    
If you had     solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it      would
    
be very     easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a     problem
    
adding in     retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door     openers
    
    
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943

    
& fit     them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy     enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap     electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.
    
    
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programmable-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html

    
& wire it     up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you     couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one.
    
I take no     responsibility if Gamma is lost.
    
Regards     Alan
    


    
    
    
    
    
From: hank     pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal     Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>     
Sent: Thursday,     February 6, 2014 3:06 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco     visit

    

    
    
    
    
While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to     drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten  and see all the wonderful     subs.  Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the     morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.  I had a great     time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do     things.  
    
Thank you Dr Nuytten.
    


    
I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970     feet in a week or so.  I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and     retrieve it 1hr later.  I would like a back up, some way for a timer to     tell Gamma it is time to come home.  Any ideas would help, I have never     tried putting a backup together.
    
Hank
    



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From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:11:26 -0500 (EST)
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Perfect.
Vance



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Heh, I'd emailed Hank off list offering the loan of an "auto surfacer" for his depth test. It's a device that blows your ballast when either a timer reaches it's setting or water is detected in the bilges. 


Best,


Alec






On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:




Hi Hank,
It's Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He might
comment when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used to
open an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a handle
on the air line.
You would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface.
Another thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have an 
electronic water sensor that additionally operated the system in case there was 
a substantial leak.
Alan




  
 
 
 
   From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
  
 



Alec,
Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.  It is frightening spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on a line.  I will give you a call tomorrow after supper your time.
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
  


Hank,
I'm jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done.
I have a few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system;
If you had solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it  would
be very easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a problem
adding in retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door openers

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943

& fit them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programmable-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html

& wire it up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one.
I take no responsibility if Gamma is lost.
Regards Alan


  
 
 
 
   From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:06 PM
 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
  
 



While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten  and see all the wonderful subs.  Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.  I had a great time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do things.  
Thank you Dr Nuytten.


I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970 feet in a week or so.  I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and retrieve it 1hr later.  I would like a back up, some way for a timer to tell Gamma it is time to come home.  Any ideas would help, I have never tried putting a backup together.
Hank



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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Thu Feb  6 08:24:36 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 05:24:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
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Alan,
The rope to a valve to a hp tank was my system in the past.? You need good weather for that, no wind or you get tangled up.? Alec's system will be perfect and it has a water detection system also.? I was thinking of?robbing a engine shut down solenoid off one of my machines and have it open a ball valve when the?timer tells it to or if that fails when the battery is dead.? The solenoid is continuous ?duty and closes when the power is off.???
Hank



On Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:13:01 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
In the North Sea, it was cold down there, but the air temps were often colder. 
Vance



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Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:19 am
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Come to think of it, it's already going to be cold before it 
ever goes into the water.? The temp sitting on the barge isn't likely to be 
much different than it is at 1000 feet deep.? Summertime is a different 
story.? The only other things I can think of that would increase pressure 
would be a water leak, an internal air system leak, or the slight compression of 
the hull. 
Jim 

In a message dated 2/5/2014 11:32:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes: 
Let me think. Post testing results: Internal  pressure--as set. Internal temperature after 3 hours in a Canadian lake in  February. Hmm. Best estimate, cold, cold, fricking COLD!!!. 
>Vance
>
>
>
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  Feb 5, 2014 11:58 pm
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>
>
>Hey Hank, 
>? 
>Glad to hear you had an opportunity to drive to Vancouver  and call on Dr. Phil.? That's quite a drive, but a bit warmer  there.? Is Slocan Lake about six hours drive for you? 
>? 
>Do you have any plans for data logging during Gamma's tea  bag test such as internal temp and presure? 
>? 
>Jim 
>
>In a message dated 2/5/2014 10:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com writes: 
>Hi Hank, 
>>It's  Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He  might 
>>comment  when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used  to 
>>open  an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a  handle 
>>on  the air line. 
>>You  would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface. 
>>Another  thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have  an? 
>>electronic  water sensor that additionally operated the system in case there  was? 
>>a  substantial leak. 
>>Alan 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>To: Personal Submersibles General  Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
>>Sent: Thursday, February  6, 2014 4:45 PM
>>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
>> 
>>
>>
>>Alec, 
>>Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.? It is  frightening spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on  a line.? I will give you a call tomorrow after supper your  time. 
>>Hank 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00  PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>Hank, 
>>I'm  jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done. 
>>I have a  few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system; 
>>If you had  solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it  ?would 
>>be very  easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a  problem 
>>adding in  retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door  openers  
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943
>> 
>>& fit  them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy  enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap  electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.  
>>http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programmable-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html
>> 
>>& wire it  up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you  couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one. 
>>I take no  responsibility if Gamma is lost. 
>>Regards  Alan 
>>
>> 
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: hank  pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>To: Personal  Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
>>Sent: Thursday,  February 6, 2014 3:06 PM
>>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco  visit
>> 
>>
>>
>>While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to  drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten? and see all the wonderful  subs.? Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the  morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.? I had a great  time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do  things.?  
>>Thank you Dr Nuytten. 
>>
>> 
>>I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970  feet in a week or so.? I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and  retrieve it 1hr later.? I would like a back up, some way for a timer to  tell Gamma it is time to come home.? Any ideas would help, I have never  tried putting a backup together. 
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From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 05:32:06 -0800 (PST)
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Jim,
I was not planning any internal sensing, a camera running might be fun.? The drive to Vancouver is 10hr on good roads, so not bad.? Slocan on good roads is around 6 hr maybe less, but I will have a 6,000 lb load with the barge and the second load will be a bit less with the sub etc.?



On , hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
  
Alan,
The rope to a valve to a hp tank was my system in the past.? You need good weather for that, no wind or you get tangled up.? Alec's system will be perfect and it has a water detection system also.? I was thinking of?robbing a engine shut down solenoid off one of my machines and have it open a ball valve when the?timer tells it to or if that fails when the battery is dead.? The solenoid is continuous ?duty and closes when the power is off.???
Hank



On Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:13:01 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
In the North Sea, it was cold down there, but the air temps were often colder. 
Vance



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Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2014 1:19 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit


Come to think of it, it's already going to be cold before it 
ever goes into the water.? The temp sitting on the barge isn't likely to be 
much different than it is at 1000 feet deep.? Summertime is a different 
story.? The only other things I can think of that would increase pressure 
would be a water leak, an internal air system leak, or the slight compression of 
the hull. 
Jim 

In a message dated 2/5/2014 11:32:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes: 
Let me think. Post testing results: Internal  pressure--as set. Internal temperature after 3 hours in a Canadian lake in  February. Hmm. Best estimate, cold, cold, fricking COLD!!!. 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original  Message-----
>From: JimToddPsub <JimToddPsub at aol.com>
>To: 
  personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Wed, 
  Feb 5, 2014 11:58 pm
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
>
>
>Hey Hank, 
>? 
>Glad to hear you had an opportunity to drive to Vancouver  and call on Dr. Phil.? That's quite a drive, but a bit warmer  there.? Is Slocan Lake about six hours drive for you? 
>? 
>Do you have any plans for data logging during Gamma's tea  bag test such as internal temp and presure? 
>? 
>Jim 
>
>In a message dated 2/5/2014 10:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com writes: 
>Hi Hank, 
>>It's  Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He  might 
>>comment  when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used  to 
>>open  an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a  handle 
>>on  the air line. 
>>You  would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface. 
>>Another  thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have  an? 
>>electronic  water sensor that additionally operated the system in case there  was? 
>>a  substantial leak. 
>>Alan 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>To: Personal Submersibles General  Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
>>Sent: Thursday, February  6, 2014 4:45 PM
>>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit
>> 
>>
>>
>>Alec, 
>>Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.? It is  frightening spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on  a line.? I will give you a call tomorrow after supper your  time. 
>>Hank 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00  PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>Hank, 
>>I'm  jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done. 
>>I have a  few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system; 
>>If you had  solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it  ?would 
>>be very  easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a  problem 
>>adding in  retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door  openers  
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943
>> 
>>& fit  them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy  enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap  electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.  
>>http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programmable-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html
>> 
>>& wire it  up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you  couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one. 
>>I take no  responsibility if Gamma is lost. 
>>Regards  Alan 
>>
>> 
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: hank  pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>To: Personal  Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
>>Sent: Thursday,  February 6, 2014 3:06 PM
>>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco  visit
>> 
>>
>>
>>While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to  drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten? and see all the wonderful  subs.? Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the  morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.? I had a great  time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do  things.?  
>>Thank you Dr Nuytten. 
>>
>> 
>>I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970  feet in a week or so.? I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and  retrieve it 1hr later.? I would like a back up, some way for a timer to  tell Gamma it is time to come home.? Any ideas would help, I have never  tried putting a backup together. 
>>Hank     
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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Thu Feb  6 18:21:26 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (brian)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 23:21:26 GMT
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulators
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?I had a similar idea for my front "aileron" flaps.? I was planning on embedding a cordless drill ( high torque) , sealing it and filling with mineral oil.? It seems like the ones I looked at were all mechanically reversible , where they use a gear to reverse.? Although I can't be sure because I haven't taken any of them apart yet.? Phil,? do you know of a particular brand that is reversible by polarity?
Brian Cox
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From: "Phil Nuytten" <phil at philnuytten.com>
Sent 1/19/2014 6:05:09 PM
To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ManipulatorsThere is no movement of the air pistons when they are not in use ? that is,
there is no air in the pistons once you exhaust the pressurization air back into
the one atmosphere cabin. The pistons are then dead-headed until you energize
them again. Note that this simple little system is designed to be used while the
sub is on the bottom. I have used it up off bottom but it gets pretty busy
maintaining position by VBT or upthrust and operating the manip valves at the
same time.If you really want to go ultracheap on an electric manip, buy a reversible
dc electric drill, stick it in a thin walled tube, fill it with oil, set it on
slow and use the rotation to operate a rack and pinion system which gives you a
lineal movement like a piston? (run the rotary shaft through a camera case
style o ring gland or an imperial tubing fitting or a? swagelock style
compression fitting with an oring or teflon ring substitiuting for the
compression olive or the metal compression ring)? rack and pinion all stay out
side in the water. We built several of these to use with a small ROV and it
worked OK ? (also used two drill motors for propulsion? on the ROV!)Phil?From:Alan JamesSent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 2:48 PMTo:Personal Submersibles General
DiscussionSubject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulators?Thanks Phil, great system description.I
tried Googling for the sea urchin manipulator but couldn't even find the Sea
Urchin.Would
appreciate seeing any pictures of it.One
question. How do you counter the variations in pressure as you dive &
ascendfrom
causing the cylinders piston to move in & out or do you just live with
this?From the frustration I've heard from K
boat builders through ambiguities in the plans,dangerous
elements in the design (hard ballast tank) & antiquated parts, it might be timely
to ditch the Kitrege plans & replace
them.? But I might get shot for saying that.Alan?From: Phil
Nuytten <phil at philnuytten.com>To: Personal Submersibles General
Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:52
AMSubject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Manipulators?Yes, as Vance says we did work up a pneumatic manip for the original ?Sea
Urchin? sub. The design criteria was: brute simple, three functions
(extend/retract, swing 90 degrees each side/ jaw open/close) and, above all,
CHEAP!! we used air cylinders, plastic tubing and three-way valves ? one for
each function. The valves exhausted back into the sub cabin. The system pressure
was about 200 psi, as I recall, and the manip was operated independently from a
scuba pony tank mounted outside for that purpose. System? pressure was kept
at 200 psi over bottom, regardless of depth? by the first stage of a scuba
regulator with the spring shimmed to 200 psi and the reg yoked to the tank in
the usual fashion. Very simple system and it worked well ? the exhaust into the
cabin was so small as to cause only a slight increase in cabin pressure because
the piston area is only a couple of square inches. Over pressure on a move into
shallower water was avoided by a circle-seal non-return vent valve ? same one
used to suck a vacuum on the sub before diving. I have some pretty good pictures of the manip on Sea Urchin which I?ll try
to dig up and post. Speaking of Sea Urchin, I have often toyed with the the idea
of putting out a? Sea Urchin Kit ? ala Kitteridge - but don?t know how much
interest there would be.Phil?From:Alan JamesSent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 11:54 AMTo:Personal
Submersibles General DiscussionSubject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulators?Here is a great looking manipulator for .31c US.Not
sure what the postage is from Poland. I tried the "buy now" on another link but
couldn't
initiate a purchase. http://http://robosklep.eu/sklep/pl/p/Hydraulic-Arm/231Alan?From: Alan
James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>To: Personal Submersibles General
Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:20 PMSubject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulators?Thanks Vance,I'll
have a look in to the pneumatic manipulator; however there are
problemsthat
come to mind, like how do you stop the whole unit going in & out like a
concertinawith
water pressure changes.Alan?From:
"vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com>To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Saturday, January
25, 2014 10:50 AMSubject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Manipulators?I can't answer, as I have precisely
zero experience with pneumo manips. Nuytco did in fact cook one up for the Sea
Urchin, which seemed to work okay, but I don't know anything about it. Sorry.
That said, if it's cheap and it works (even if it's a pain in the ass) then it's
worth having. Subs should be able to DO something, not just cruise around like
an oversized camera housing with motors. I'd give serious consideration to the
ball and socket arm, which functions adequately down to about 600 feet
(according to the boys who have used them). We figure one would cost about
$500-600 USD to machine, plus material and welding. A thousand bucks or a little
more isn't bad, considering there are exactly three moving parts in the whole
thing (as opposed to a hydraulic system which has about 3 moving parts to the
running inch).Vance-----Original
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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
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Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014
3:12 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ManipulatorsOne more question Vance & I'll leave you in peacefor a week.For a small non commercial submersible operating to 500 ftthat has a very limited use for a manipulator other than it being there
just in case we come across some item of value. Is a pneumatic manipulator
a goodoption? Air is already there & wouldn't be consumed much becauseof the limited use. No noise & expensive space consuming hydraulic
system.And as you say there are options for lifting heavier items.Thanks,Alan
Sent from my iPad
On 25/01/2014, at 8:01 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:I particularly liked the PVC tube with the furled lift
            bag and air source, now that's got real "get work done" utility.
            It seems to me that a permanently mounted air
            source terminating just aft of the claw is a natural companion set-up
            for anyone with a manipulator on a PSUB. 
            Joe
            Sent
            from Yahoo Mail for iPad?From:Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>;
To:Personal
Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>;
Subject:Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulators Sent:Fri, Jan 24, 2014 6:09:42 PM Thanks Vance,that's
            shed some light on the subject.Alan?From: Vance Bradley <Vbra676539 at AOL.com>To: Personal
            Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
            Sent:
            Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:42 AMSubject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
            Manipulators?Alan,I've seen the discussion. The smallest sub I know of with a
            manipulator on board is the Deepworker. No exfra tanks there.
            Metacentric vs CG works in all directions. Yes, you get movement and no
            it's not a problem in my experience. I did operate the bigger subs but
            also smaller ones, to include Aquarius, briefly in a DW, plus three
            different K-boats, so speak with some experience. You put everything you
            imagine on a small sub, you get a big sub. In any case, It's probably
            best to think of a psub as a work in progress. Get the boat done, go
            play, scratch head, get more work done, go play, scratch head......and
            so it goes.Vance
            Sent from my iPhone
            On Jan 24, 2014, at 3:20 AM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:Vance,a couple of people have mentioned lately the problem of the
            shifting ofbalance as you reach out with a manipulator & have talked
            about countering it withtrim tanks. Is it a big deal if you go nose down, tail up?
            Possibly more of a problem working on a vertical face than picking something up off the bottom. Some of our subs will be a lot smaller than the working subs you were in so the problem would be
            accentuated in our case.Can you give us some of your experience on
            this thanks & in your opinion is it worth messingabout with the trim while operating the
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From jonw at psubs.org  Fri Feb  7 07:46:02 2014
From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 07:46:02 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulators
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Brian, any cheap Black & Decker cordless screwdriver is reversible by 
polarity and fit nicely into 1.5 inch PVC pipe.  See attached photos...a 
few years ago I fabricated an "ROV" motor with a 3.6v B&D model 9078.  
They are easy to take apart to get the "guts" out.  I sealed the chuck 
shaft with a home-made blue globe using some copper pipe and o-rings, 
then used epoxy to permanently attach a SS threaded rod into the chuck 
so I could screw on the propeller.  At the time I was thinking the PVC 
would suffice as a 1-ATM housing but it would definitely be better oil 
compensated.

It looks to me like all the cheap cordless screwdrivers are manufactured 
at one location and branded accordingly.  The B&D's seem to be a bit 
higher priced probably due to name recognition.  EBAY carries these 
things from other manufacturers at very inexpensive pricing ($15 US range).

Jon


On 2/6/2014 6:21 PM, brian wrote:
>  I had a similar idea for my front "aileron" flaps.  I was planning on 
> embedding a cordless drill ( high torque) , sealing it and filling 
> with mineral oil.  It seems like the ones I looked at were all 
> mechanically reversible , where they use a gear to reverse.  Although 
> I can't be sure because I haven't taken any of them apart yet.  Phil,  
> do you know of a particular brand that is reversible by polarity?
>
> Brian Cox
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From jonw at psubs.org  Fri Feb  7 07:49:56 2014
From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 07:49:56 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fwd: UVP just Joined PSUBS
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	UVP just Joined PSUBS
Date: 	Thu, 6 Feb 2014 16:42:00 -0800
From: 	Scott Cassell <scottcassell at live.com>
To: 	jon at psubs.org



Hi Jon,

Undersea Voyager project just joined PSUBS for a year membership.  We are proud to support your mission and efforts!

I hope we can bring our submersible, the Great White to the East Coast this year and attend group dives.  Also, since we are now members I wish to invite fellow undersea explorers and sub builders to become a part of our mission as volunteers to help our Oceans.

Any guidance on how to integrate sub dives here in California with our sub with you and any PSUBS members is welcome.

All the best and looking toward a fun year with PSUBS!

Scott Cassell



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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Fri Feb  7 10:39:09 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (brian)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:39:09 GMT
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulators
Message-ID: <201402070739600.SM01608@[66.162.33.185]>

Thanks Jon,?? can't wait to try out a proto type.? Seems like even if a drill was mechanically reversed the polarity would still change the motor direction.? They've come a long way with these cordless drills, some of them have tremendous torque for a cordless.? I would need to turn my front flaps about 90 degrees total ( 45 up and 45 down).? I'm trying to keep the profile down so I don't have protrusions that will cause turbulence or catch seaweed.?? 
???? Also if I run a pair of , say 14 gage wire to the front of my sub ( a distance of about 15 feet) what is the preferred method of running outside wire?? Is there off the shelf underwater wire now ??? I remember the oil filled method with vinyl tubing but I assume there may be a newer method.
Brian
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Sent 2/7/2014 4:46:02 AM
To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ManipulatorsBrian, any cheap Black & Decker cordless screwdriver is reversible by
polarity and fit nicely into 1.5 inch PVC pipe.  See attached photos...a
few years ago I fabricated an "ROV" motor with a 3.6v B&D model 9078.
They are easy to take apart to get the "guts" out.  I sealed the chuck
shaft with a home-made blue globe using some copper pipe and o-rings,
then used epoxy to permanently attach a SS threaded rod into the chuck
so I could screw on the propeller.  At the time I was thinking the PVC
would suffice as a 1-ATM housing but it would definitely be better oil
compensated.
It looks to me like all the cheap cordless screwdrivers are manufactured
at one location and branded accordingly.  The B&D's seem to be a bit
higher priced probably due to name recognition.  EBAY carries these
things from other manufacturers at very inexpensive pricing ($15 US range).
Jon
On 2/6/2014 6:21 PM, brian wrote:
>  I had a similar idea for my front "aileron" flaps.  I was planning on
> embedding a cordless drill ( high torque) , sealing it and filling
> with mineral oil.  It seems like the ones I looked at were all
> mechanically reversible , where they use a gear to reverse.  Although
> I can't be sure because I haven't taken any of them apart yet.  Phil,
> do you know of a particular brand that is reversible by polarity?
>
> Brian Cox
>
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From spiritofcalypso at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 14:01:24 2014
From: spiritofcalypso at gmail.com (Douglas Suhr)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 14:01:24 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fwd: UVP just Joined PSUBS
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Scott, glad to hear undersea voyager project now has representation here on
Psubs. Welcome aboard! I'm quite interested in your sub, hope to learn more
about it from your conversations on here. ~ Douglas S.


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:

>
> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: UVP just Joined PSUBS  Date: Thu,
> 6 Feb 2014 16:42:00 -0800  From: Scott Cassell <scottcassell at live.com><scottcassell at live.com>  To:
> jon at psubs.org
>
> Hi Jon,
>
> Undersea Voyager project just joined PSUBS for a year membership.  We are proud to support your mission and efforts!
>
> I hope we can bring our submersible, the Great White to the East Coast this year and attend group dives.  Also, since we are now members I wish to invite fellow undersea explorers and sub builders to become a part of our mission as volunteers to help our Oceans.
>
> Any guidance on how to integrate sub dives here in California with our sub with you and any PSUBS members is welcome.
>
> All the best and looking toward a fun year with PSUBS!
>
> Scott Cassell
>
>
>
>
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Fri Feb  7 18:08:36 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 15:08:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1391814516.95141.YahooMailNeo@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

PROBLEM, now that I am getting Alec's auto pilot, I run the risk of the sub surfacing violently if it develops a leak and the water sensor tells the sub to surface.? If I have my steel barge above Gamma there could be a very serious collision.? The other option is to forget the barge and send Gamma down with a rope attached as a locator and a way to slide a cable down to retrieve it.? The rope only needs a rubber float to locate it.? I would put a second auto pilot in that relies on a battery going dead to make it surface with a separate hp source.
What to do hmmm
The other option is use the auto pilot from Alec without the water sensor and have the barge over Gamma with the cable between.? Then there is a safety if the cable fell off or what ever, and if the sub fills with water I can winch it up. 
Hmm , what do you guys think.
Hank
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From alecsmyth at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 19:06:42 2014
From: alecsmyth at gmail.com (Alec Smyth)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:06:42 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)
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Hmmm, you're right, this is a little different to what I did because,
without a winch, we just attached a rope and backed off to the side during
the test so the sub would not surface under us. I wonder if George stayed
directly over the sub in his tests, since I think he also used a winch on a
catamaran. Its a bit of a complication, but one option would be to make a
latching device such that, in the case of a failed test, the steel cable
could be sent down the rope and would latch on upon arrival at the sub. I
seem to recall something like that in Busby.

Best,

Alec


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:08 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> PROBLEM, now that I am getting Alec's auto pilot, I run the risk of the
> sub surfacing violently if it develops a leak and the water sensor tells
> the sub to surface.  If I have my steel barge above Gamma there could be a
> very serious collision.  The other option is to forget the barge and send
> Gamma down with a rope attached as a locator and a way to slide a cable
> down to retrieve it.  The rope only needs a rubber float to locate it.  I
> would put a second auto pilot in that relies on a battery going dead to
> make it surface with a separate hp source.
> What to do hmmm
> The other option is use the auto pilot from Alec without the water sensor
> and have the barge over Gamma with the cable between.  Then there is a
> safety if the cable fell off or what ever, and if the sub fills with water
> I can winch it up.
> Hmm , what do you guys think.
> Hank
>
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 19:27:46 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:27:46 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)
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Hank,

What I don't like about deep water remote testing, is the fact that we are testing against the worst case scenario, a sub full of water. The good news of course being unmanned.

Therefore to my mind we must be prepared for that worst case scenario, meaning being in the best possible position to recover the sub. That means heavy lifting doesn't it?

Sending a grapple down a line requires 100% success in making contact, is that assured? I don't know I've never done it.

So if I had the means to send it down on a cable, that's what I think I'd do.

Joe



On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:08 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> PROBLEM, now that I am getting Alec's auto pilot, I run the risk of the sub surfacing violently if it develops a leak and the water sensor tells the sub to surface.  If I have my steel barge above Gamma there could be a very serious collision.  The other option is to forget the barge and send Gamma down with a rope attached as a locator and a way to slide a cable down to retrieve it.  The rope only needs a rubber float to locate it.  I would put a second auto pilot in that relies on a battery going dead to make it surface with a separate hp source.
> What to do hmmm
> The other option is use the auto pilot from Alec without the water sensor and have the barge over Gamma with the cable between.  Then there is a safety if the cable fell off or what ever, and if the sub fills with water I can winch it up.
> Hmm , what do you guys think.
> Hank
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Fri Feb  7 19:33:33 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:33:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)
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Joe,
My wife, (the brains of the operation)? says the same thing.? I have to agree, I can send it down on the cable and bring it up on the cable.? The auto pilot Alec sent me is a fantastic back up.? If there is a problem with the lifting system, I will just back away and wait.

Hank



On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:27:46 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Hank,

What I don't like about deep water remote testing, is the fact that we are testing against the worst case scenario, a sub full of water. The good news of course being unmanned.

Therefore to my mind we must be prepared for that worst case scenario, meaning being in the best possible position to recover the sub. That means heavy lifting doesn't it?

Sending a grapple down a line requires 100% success in making contact, is that assured? I don't know I've never done it.

So if I had the means to send it down on a cable, that's what I think I'd do.

Joe




On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:08 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:


PROBLEM, now that I am getting Alec's auto pilot, I run the risk of the sub surfacing violently if it develops a leak and the water sensor tells the sub to surface.? If I have my steel barge above Gamma there could be a very serious collision.? The other option is to forget the barge and send Gamma down with a rope attached as a locator and a way to slide a cable down to retrieve it.? The rope only needs a rubber float to locate it.? I would put a second auto pilot in that relies on a battery going dead to make it surface with a separate hp source.
>What to do hmmm
>The other option is use the auto pilot from Alec without the water sensor and have the barge over Gamma with the cable between.? Then there is a safety if the cable fell off or what ever, and if the sub fills with water I can winch it up. 
>Hmm , what do you guys think.
>Hank
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Fri Feb  7 19:51:54 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:51:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)
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Hank,
I'd think seriously about throwing rocks aboard and climbing in to do a ten-twenty foot dive at the dockside with a flashlight in hand. Vacuum check was good. You should be okay, but that cold water will make things shrink at different rates. Those viewports seated fine in the shop. What about in the water? Then if it all looks good, haul her out deeper and stage it down. Try a hundred feet and bring it back to check. If it holds shallow, then see if it holds at 250. Then 500. You've got the good gaskets, so once they take a set, they should hold. The New Orleans boys were convinced that neoprene would do the job and didn't test until they got to the Bahamas. Then they had to bail the boat out and suspend operations until the real gaskets arrived from the States. And THEN they had to tear every penetration down and replace every gasket in the boat. You know by now just how much fun that must have been. As in, no fun at all. That said, I'd still be puckered doing this in such cold water. In fact, I'll be puckered all the way down here in Florida. Do you have phone communications out there at the lake? I'm going to be sweating this one right along with you, so I would definitely appreciate a call when it's over.
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)



Hank,


What I don't like about deep water remote testing, is the fact that we are testing against the worst case scenario, a sub full of water. The good news of course being unmanned.


Therefore to my mind we must be prepared for that worst case scenario, meaning being in the best possible position to recover the sub. That means heavy lifting doesn't it?


Sending a grapple down a line requires 100% success in making contact, is that assured? I don't know I've never done it.


So if I had the means to send it down on a cable, that's what I think I'd do.


Joe




On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:08 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:




PROBLEM, now that I am getting Alec's auto pilot, I run the risk of the sub surfacing violently if it develops a leak and the water sensor tells the sub to surface.  If I have my steel barge above Gamma there could be a very serious collision.  The other option is to forget the barge and send Gamma down with a rope attached as a locator and a way to slide a cable down to retrieve it.  The rope only needs a rubber float to locate it.  I would put a second auto pilot in that relies on a battery going dead to make it surface with a separate hp source.
What to do hmmm
The other option is use the auto pilot from Alec without the water sensor and have the barge over Gamma with the cable between.  Then there is a safety if the cable fell off or what ever, and if the sub fills with water I can winch it up. 
Hmm , what do you guys think.
Hank


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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Fri Feb  7 20:01:56 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:01:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)
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Vance,
That is good advice, I can run it down in stages.? I am not sure about cell coverage out there.? The water in that lake is cold year round, so no real benefit to waiting.? I will wait until I have? above freezing temps.? 
Hank



On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:51:54 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
Hank, 
I'd think seriously about throwing rocks aboard and climbing in to do a ten-twenty foot dive at the dockside with a flashlight in hand. Vacuum check was good. You should be okay, but that cold water will make things shrink at different rates. Those viewports seated fine in the shop. What about in the water? Then if it all looks good, haul her out deeper and stage it down. Try a hundred feet and bring it back to check. If it holds shallow, then see if it holds at 250. Then 500. You've got the good gaskets, so once they take a set, they should hold. The New Orleans boys were convinced that neoprene would do the job and didn't test until they got to the Bahamas. Then they had to bail the boat out and suspend operations until the real gaskets arrived from the States. And THEN they had to tear every penetration down and replace every gasket in the boat. You know by now just how much fun that must have been. As in, no fun at all. That said, I'd still be
 puckered doing this in such cold water. In fact, I'll be puckered all the way down here in Florida. Do you have phone communications out there at the lake? I'm going to be sweating this one right along with you, so I would definitely appreciate a call when it's over. 
Vance



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Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2014 7:28 pm
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Hank, 
 
What I don't like about deep water remote testing, is the fact that we are testing against the worst case scenario, a sub full of water. The good news of course being unmanned. 
 
Therefore to my mind we must be prepared for that worst case scenario, meaning being in the best possible position to recover the sub. That means heavy lifting doesn't it? 
 
Sending a grapple down a line requires 100% success in making contact, is that assured? I don't know I've never done it. 
 
So if I had the means to send it down on a cable, that's what I think I'd do. 
 
Joe


 

On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:08 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

 
PROBLEM, now that I am getting Alec's auto pilot, I run the risk of the sub surfacing violently if it develops a leak and the water sensor tells the sub to surface.? If I have my steel barge above Gamma there could be a very serious collision.? The other option is to forget the barge and send Gamma down with a rope attached as a locator and a way to slide a cable down to retrieve it.? The rope only needs a rubber float to locate it.? I would put a second auto pilot in that relies on a battery going dead to make it surface with a separate hp source. 
>What to do hmmm 
>The other option is use the auto pilot from Alec without the water sensor and have the barge over Gamma with the cable between.? Then there is a safety if the cable fell off or what ever, and if the sub fills with water I can winch it up.  
>Hmm , what do you guys think. 
>Hank   
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Fri Feb  7 20:08:27 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 20:08:27 -0500 (EST)
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Well, let me know when it happens so I can pace at the appropriate time. Good luck.
Vance



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Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2014 8:02 pm
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Vance,
That is good advice, I can run it down in stages.  I am not sure about cell coverage out there.  The water in that lake is cold year round, so no real benefit to waiting.  I will wait until I have  above freezing temps.  
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:51:54 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Hank,
I'd think seriously about throwing rocks aboard and climbing in to do a ten-twenty foot dive at the dockside with a flashlight in hand. Vacuum check was good. You should be okay, but that cold water will make things shrink at different rates. Those viewports seated fine in the shop. What about in the water? Then if it all looks good, haul her out deeper and stage it down. Try a hundred feet and bring it back to check. If it holds shallow, then see if it holds at 250. Then 500. You've got the good gaskets, so once they take a set, they should hold. The New Orleans boys were convinced that neoprene would do the job and didn't test until they got to the Bahamas. Then they had to bail the boat out and suspend operations until the real gaskets arrived from the States. And THEN they had to tear every penetration down and replace every gasket in the boat. You know by now just how much fun that must have been. As in, no fun at all. That said, I'd still be puckered doing this in such cold water. In fact, I'll be puckered all the way down here in Florida. Do you have phone communications out there at the lake? I'm going to be sweating this one right along with you, so I would definitely appreciate a call when it's over.
Vance



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Hank,


What I don't like about deep water remote testing, is the fact that we are testing against the worst case scenario, a sub full of water. The good news of course being unmanned.


Therefore to my mind we must be prepared for that worst case scenario, meaning being in the best possible position to recover the sub. That means heavy lifting doesn't it?


Sending a grapple down a line requires 100% success in making contact, is that assured? I don't know I've never done it.


So if I had the means to send it down on a cable, that's what I think I'd do.


Joe




On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:08 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:




PROBLEM, now that I am getting Alec's auto pilot, I run the risk of the sub surfacing violently if it develops a leak and the water sensor tells the sub to surface.  If I have my steel barge above Gamma there could be a very serious collision.  The other option is to forget the barge and send Gamma down with a rope attached as a locator and a way to slide a cable down to retrieve it.  The rope only needs a rubber float to locate it.  I would put a second auto pilot in that relies on a battery going dead to make it surface with a separate hp source.
What to do hmmm
The other option is use the auto pilot from Alec without the water sensor and have the barge over Gamma with the cable between.  Then there is a safety if the cable fell off or what ever, and if the sub fills with water I can winch it up. 
Hmm , what do you guys think.
Hank


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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 20:47:12 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 14:47:12 +1300
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1391819613.66600.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1391814516.95141.YahooMailNeo@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <E74D250C-1CE2-449C-A058-90C46C160D01@yahoo.com>
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Your wife, Hank. Now there's a good option, does she know how
to operate the ballast valves?
If the cable started going slack you would know the sub was
coming up & could get out of the way. just keep tension on the line
with the boat & as long as there is an angle on the cable you won't get
hit.
Alan

Sent from my iPad

> On 8/02/2014, at 1:33 pm, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> My wife, (the brains of the operation)  says the same thing.  I have to agree, I can send it down on the cable and bring it up on the cable.  The auto pilot Alec sent me is a fantastic back up.  If there is a problem with the lifting system, I will just back away and wait.
> 
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:27:46 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hank,
> 
> What I don't like about deep water remote testing, is the fact that we are testing against the worst case scenario, a sub full of water. The good news of course being unmanned.
> 
> Therefore to my mind we must be prepared for that worst case scenario, meaning being in the best possible position to recover the sub. That means heavy lifting doesn't it?
> 
> Sending a grapple down a line requires 100% success in making contact, is that assured? I don't know I've never done it.
> 
> So if I had the means to send it down on a cable, that's what I think I'd do.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:08 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> PROBLEM, now that I am getting Alec's auto pilot, I run the risk of the sub surfacing violently if it develops a leak and the water sensor tells the sub to surface.  If I have my steel barge above Gamma there could be a very serious collision.  The other option is to forget the barge and send Gamma down with a rope attached as a locator and a way to slide a cable down to retrieve it.  The rope only needs a rubber float to locate it.  I would put a second auto pilot in that relies on a battery going dead to make it surface with a separate hp source.
>> What to do hmmm
>> The other option is use the auto pilot from Alec without the water sensor and have the barge over Gamma with the cable between.  Then there is a safety if the cable fell off or what ever, and if the sub fills with water I can winch it up.
>> Hmm , what do you guys think.
>> Hank
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Fri Feb  7 20:57:40 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:57:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)
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References: <1391814516.95141.YahooMailNeo@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Alan,
I think the weight of the cable will prevent feeling anything.? 1,000 feet of cable, that is a long way!?? Also the sub may come up on any old angle all the way from that depth, it might
?land in my driveway at home lol.

Vance,
Your starting to make me nervous :-)? I will send you the first picture of it back on the trailer.
Hank




On Friday, February 7, 2014 6:47:39 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Your wife, Hank. Now there's a good option, does she know how
to operate the ballast valves?
If the cable started going slack you would know the sub was
coming up & could get out of the way. just keep tension on the line
with the boat & as long as there is an angle on the cable you won't get
hit.
Alan

Sent from my iPad

On 8/02/2014, at 1:33 pm, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:


Joe,
>My wife, (the brains of the operation)? says the same thing.? I have to agree, I can send it down on the cable and bring it up on the cable.? The auto pilot Alec sent me is a fantastic back up.? If there is a problem with the lifting system, I will just back away and wait.
>
>
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:27:46 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  
>Hank,
>
>
>What I don't like about deep water remote testing, is the fact that we are testing against the worst case scenario, a sub full of water. The good news of course being unmanned.
>
>
>Therefore to my mind we must be prepared for that worst case scenario, meaning being in the best possible position to recover the sub. That means heavy lifting doesn't it?
>
>
>Sending a grapple down a line requires 100% success in making contact, is that assured? I don't know I've never done it.
>
>
>So if I had the means to send it down on a cable, that's what I think I'd do.
>
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>
>On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:08 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>PROBLEM, now that I am getting Alec's auto pilot, I run the risk of the sub surfacing violently if it develops a leak and the water sensor tells the sub to surface.? If I have my steel barge above Gamma there could be a very serious collision.? The other option is to forget the barge and send Gamma down with a rope attached as a locator and a way to slide a cable down to retrieve it.? The rope only needs a rubber float to locate it.? I would put a second auto pilot in that relies on a battery going dead to make it surface with a separate hp source.
>>What to do hmmm
>>The other option is use the auto pilot from Alec without the water sensor and have the barge over Gamma with the cable between.? Then there is a safety if the cable fell off or what ever, and if the sub fills with water I can winch it up. 
>>Hmm , what do you guys think.
>>Hank
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From JimToddPsub at aol.com  Fri Feb  7 22:42:41 2014
From: JimToddPsub at aol.com (JimToddPsub at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 22:42:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma unmanned test dive
Message-ID: <6c6b5.7e15f614.402701b1@aol.com>

Hank,
 
I just had to put a subject line to this thread.  I  recalled that Scott 
Cassell did a similar test with Great White in  2012 also in a lake (Hi, 
Scott!).  Here's a link to an article on that  dive.
http://californiadiver.com/scott-cassells-submarine-reaches-500-feet-in-lake
-tahoe/
 
Jim     
 
 
In a message dated 2/7/2014 7:58:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca writes:

 
Alan,
I think the weight of the cable will prevent feeling  anything.  1,000 feet 
of cable, that is a long way!   Also the  sub may come up on any old angle 
all the way from that depth, it  might
 land in my driveway at home lol.


Vance,
Your starting to make me nervous :-)  I will send you the  first picture of 
it back on the trailer.
Hank





 
On Friday, February 7, 2014 6:47:39 PM,  Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> 
wrote:


 
 
Your wife, Hank. Now there's a good option, does she know how
to operate the ballast valves?
If the cable started going slack you would know the sub was
coming up & could get out of the way. just keep tension on the  line
with the boat & as long as there is an angle on the cable you won't  get
hit.
Alan

Sent from my iPad
 

On 8/02/2014, at 1:33 pm, hank pronk <_hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca_ 
(mailto:hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca) >  wrote:




 
Joe,
My wife, (the brains of the operation)  says the same  thing.  I have to 
agree, I can send it down on the cable and bring it  up on the cable.  The 
auto pilot Alec sent me is a fantastic back  up.  If there is a problem with 
the lifting system, I will just back  away and wait.


Hank



 
On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:27:46 PM,  Joe Perkel 
<_josephperkel at yahoo.com_ (mailto:josephperkel at yahoo.com) >  wrote:


 
 
Hank,


What I don't like about deep water remote testing, is the fact that we  are 
testing against the worst case scenario, a sub full of water. The good  
news of course being unmanned.


Therefore to my mind we must be prepared for that worst case scenario,  
meaning being in the best possible position to recover the sub. That means  
heavy lifting doesn't it?


Sending a grapple down a line requires 100% success in making contact,  is 
that assured? I don't know I've never done it.


So if I had the means to send it down on a cable, that's what I think  I'd 
do.


Joe





On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:08 PM, hank pronk <_hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca_ 
(mailto:hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca) >  wrote:




 
PROBLEM, now that I am getting Alec's auto pilot, I run the risk of  the 
sub surfacing violently if it develops a leak and the water sensor  tells the 
sub to surface.  If I have my steel barge above Gamma there  could be a very 
serious collision.  The other option is to forget the  barge and send Gamma 
down with a rope attached as a locator and a way to  slide a cable down to 
retrieve it.  The rope only needs a rubber  float to locate it.  I would put 
a second auto pilot in that relies  on a battery going dead to make it 
surface with a separate hp  source.
What to do hmmm
The other option is use the auto pilot from Alec without the water  sensor 
and have the barge over Gamma with the cable between.  Then  there is a 
safety if the cable fell off or what ever, and if the sub fills  with water I 
can winch it up. 
Hmm , what do you guys think.
Hank





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From JimToddPsub at aol.com  Fri Feb  7 23:21:33 2014
From: JimToddPsub at aol.com (JimToddPsub at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 23:21:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
Message-ID: <6cf14.389de4c3.40270acd@aol.com>

Here's another article showing the external mods to Great White.  It  
doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70%  of 
the way down.  -Jim
http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarin
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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Sat Feb  8 02:29:11 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (brian)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 07:29:11 GMT
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] water/pressure proof wire
Message-ID: <201402072329819.SM06568@[66.162.33.185]>

?If I run a pair of 14 gage wire to the front of my sub ( a
distance of about 15 feet) what is the preferred method of running
outside wire?? Is there off the shelf underwater wire now ??? I remember
the oil filled method with vinyl tubing but I assume there may be a
newer method.
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  8 11:25:54 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 11:25:54 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Jim,

There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.

I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.

Joe



On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:

> Here's another article showing the external mods to Great White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70% of the way down.  -Jim
> http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
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From JimToddPsub at aol.com  Sat Feb  8 14:05:57 2014
From: JimToddPsub at aol.com (JimToddPsub at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 14:05:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
Message-ID: <f946c.4b81e320.4027da15@aol.com>

Joe,
 
If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and  scroll down to 
the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but  there is no 
description of the materials used.
 
Here's another video before its latest makeover:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
 
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:

Jim,


There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see  
longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.


I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother  neater 
appearance and an apparent mounting surface.


Joe




On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, _JimToddPsub at aol.com_ 
(mailto:JimToddPsub at aol.com)  wrote:



 
Here's another article showing the external mods to Great White.   It 
doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a photo gallery  about 70% of 
the way down.  -Jim
http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarin
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  8 14:17:57 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 11:17:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Thanks Jim, 


Somehow I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!

Joe




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
 
Joe,
?
If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and 
scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but 
there is no description of the materials used.
?
Here's another video before its latest makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
?
Jim
?
In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
Jim,
>
>
>There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see  longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
>
>
>I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother  neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
>
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>
>On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>Here's another article showing the external mods to Great White.?  It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.? There's a photo gallery  about 70% of the way down.? -Jim
>>http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
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From JimToddPsub at aol.com  Sat Feb  8 14:31:46 2014
From: JimToddPsub at aol.com (JimToddPsub at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 14:31:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
Message-ID: <f9f67.544069b.4027e022@aol.com>

OFF LIST
Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a mission.   I'm sure he will 
read the emails referencing Great White or Undersea Voyager  project.
 
I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic  wood flooring 
or synthetic decking material.  Both are far superior to real  wood for this 
application, but you would have to check for off-gassing  properties both 
from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a  fire.
 
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:

 
Thanks Jim, 



Somehow  I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!


Joe




 
On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" 
<JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:


 
 
Joe,
 
If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and scroll down  to 
the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there is no  
description of the materials used.
 
Here's another video before its latest makeover:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
 
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:

Jim,


There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see  
longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.


I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother  neater 
appearance and an apparent mounting surface.


Joe




On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, _JimToddPsub at aol.com_ 
(mailto:JimToddPsub at aol.com)   wrote:




Here's another article showing the external mods to Great  White.  It 
doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a  photo gallery about 70% of 
the way down.  -Jim
http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarin
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  8 15:15:47 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 12:15:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Jim, 


Did you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that! Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military AC.

The rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one somewhere?

Joe




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
 
OFF LIST
Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a mission.? 
I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or Undersea Voyager 
project.
?
I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic 
wood flooring or synthetic decking material.? Both are far superior to real 
wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing 
properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a 
fire.
?
Jim
?
In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
Thanks Jim, 
>
>
>
>Somehow  I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
>
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>
>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
>
>Joe,
>?
>If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and scroll down  to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there is no  description of the materials used.
>?
>Here's another video before its latest makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>?
>Jim
>?
>In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,  josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>Jim,
>>
>>
>>There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see  longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
>>
>>
>>I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother  neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
>>
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>Here's another article showing the external mods to Great  White.? It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.? There's a  photo gallery about 70% of the way down.? -Jim
>>>http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Sat Feb  8 15:20:58 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:20:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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It looks cool, which aside from shielding head knockers, is probably the point. I like it though. A steampunk version of George's baby. Lots of propulsion, which I'd like to get some information on, and very cleanly done. Still haven't solved the conning tower latching issue, I notice. Somebody really ought to do something about that. The other issue I have with all that broad shouldered top deck is how much it blocks the pilot's view near the sup. The little ports in the conning tower sides are useless in this configuration, so maybe they will eventually use them for penetrator plates or something. Otherwise, it's a neat variant, being campaigned hard by a guy who will charm your socks off if you stand still long enough. I've met him, and those eyes get just plain old shiny when he talks about this stuff. That's compelling, and I wish him the best.
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: JimToddPsub <JimToddPsub at aol.com>
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Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 2:32 pm
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods



OFF LIST
Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a mission.  I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or Undersea Voyager project.
 
I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic wood flooring or synthetic decking material.  Both are far superior to real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a fire.
 
Jim
 

In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
  
  
Thanks Jim, 

  


  
Somehow   I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
  


  
Joe

  


  
  
  
On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,   "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:

  
  
  
  
Joe,
  
 
  
If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and scroll down   to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there is no   description of the materials used.
  
 
  
Here's another video before its latest makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
  
 
  
Jim
  
 
  
  
In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,   josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
  
    
Jim,
    


    
There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see     longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
    


    
I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother     neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
    


    
Joe



    

On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com     wrote:


    
      
      
Here's another article showing the external mods to Great       White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a       photo gallery about 70% of the way down.  -Jim
      
http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/

    
      
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Sat Feb  8 15:24:43 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:24:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Joe,


The external deck mounted scuba tanks are for hookah rigs, as I understand it. The rest of it seems to have been built in aluminum angle to contain big MBTs and shield the other equipment. Still no manipulator. He could really use one of those, maybe a ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the front viewport? The wheels are a cool little addition. Obviously they have enough bearing strength, and they can launch and retrieve off channel ramps rather than trying to find a boat ramp and trailer tongue long enough to back the whole thing down. Neat solution.


Vance



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From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods



Jim, 



Did you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that! Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military AC.


The rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one somewhere?


Joe
 
 
 
 
 
  On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
  
  
  
OFF LIST
Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a mission.  I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or Undersea Voyager project.
 
I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic wood flooring or synthetic decking material.  Both are far superior to real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a fire.
 
Jim
 

In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
  
  
Thanks Jim, 

  


  
Somehow   I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
  


  
Joe

  


  
  
  
On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,   "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:

  
  
  
  
Joe,
  
 
  
If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and scroll down   to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there is no   description of the materials used.
  
 
  
Here's another video before its latest makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
  
 
  
Jim
  
 
  
  
In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,   josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
  
    
Jim,
    


    
There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see     longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
    


    
I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother     neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
    


    
Joe



    

On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com     wrote:


    
      
      
Here's another article showing the external mods to Great       White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a       photo gallery about 70% of the way down.  -Jim
      
http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/

    
      
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From JimToddPsub at aol.com  Sat Feb  8 16:59:34 2014
From: JimToddPsub at aol.com (JimToddPsub at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 16:59:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Joe,
 
Yes, I would like to see more of the details on the makeover,  but Scott's 
intended audience was not sub design enthusiasts.  His focus  was more on 
drawing people into support of the mission which is a very  important one.  He 
has mentioned getting the Great White to a Psubs  convention.  That would 
be a great opportunity to really look it over and  probably hear a 
presentation.
 
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:25:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
vbra676539 at aol.com writes:

Joe,  


The external deck mounted scuba tanks  are for hookah rigs, as I understand 
it. The rest of it seems to have been  built in aluminum angle to contain 
big MBTs and shield the other equipment.  Still no manipulator. He could 
really use one of those, maybe a  ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the 
front viewport? The wheels are a  cool little addition. Obviously they have 
enough bearing strength, and they  can launch and retrieve off channel ramps 
rather than trying to find a boat  ramp and trailer tongue long enough to 
back the whole thing down. Neat  solution.


Vance


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Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 3:16  pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods


 
 
Jim, 



Did  you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked 
that!  Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on 
military  AC.


The  rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would 
be  helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one  
somewhere?


Joe



 
On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM,  "_JimToddPsub at aol.com_ 
(mailto:JimToddPsub at aol.com) " <_JimToddPsub at aol.com_ (mailto:JimToddPsub at aol.com) >  
wrote:


 
 
OFF LIST
Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a  mission.  I'm sure he will 
read the emails referencing Great White or  Undersea Voyager project.
 
I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic  wood flooring 
or synthetic decking material.  Both are far superior to  real wood for this 
application, but you would have to check for off-gassing  properties both 
from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a  fire.
 
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
_josephperkel at yahoo.com_ (mailto:josephperkel at yahoo.com)  writes:

 
Thanks Jim, 



Somehow  I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!


Joe




 
On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,  "_JimToddPsub at aol.com_ 
(mailto:JimToddPsub at aol.com) " <_JimToddPsub at aol.com_ (mailto:JimToddPsub at aol.com) >  
wrote:


 
 
Joe,
 
If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and scroll  down to 
the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there  is no 
description of the materials used.
 
Here's another video before its latest makeover:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
 
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
_josephperkel at yahoo.com_ (mailto:josephperkel at yahoo.com)   writes:

Jim,


There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see  
longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.


I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother  neater 
appearance and an apparent mounting surface.


Joe




On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, _JimToddPsub at aol.com_ 
(mailto:JimToddPsub at aol.com)   wrote:




Here's another article showing the external mods to Great  White.  It 
doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a  photo gallery about 70% of 
the way down.  -Jim
http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarin
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From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 14:41:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Vance,

External Hookah's, how interesting. That set up looks pretty ideal for shallow water salvage or archeology. I looked again and found the uncovered aluminum frame.

Your comment regarding pilot angle of view has bothered me for a number of years on my own design. I've repeatedly struggled with this very issue which is why my recent renewal of interest in the Nektons, and Hanks efforts in particular.


Jim,

Another look and I think you're correct in your assessment that those slats are synthetic flooring or decking. Note the concentric (plastic?) ring that butts up against the ribs for screw attachment.


Joe





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:01 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
 
Joe,
?
Yes, I would like to see more of the details on the makeover, 
but Scott's intended audience was not sub design enthusiasts.? His focus 
was more on drawing people into support of?the mission which is a very 
important one.? He has mentioned getting the Great White to a Psubs 
convention.? That would be a great opportunity to really look it over and 
probably hear a presentation.
?
Jim
?
In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:25:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
vbra676539 at aol.com writes:
Joe, 
>
>
>The external deck mounted scuba tanks  are for hookah rigs, as I understand it. The rest of it seems to have been  built in aluminum angle to contain big MBTs and shield the other equipment.  Still no manipulator. He could really use one of those, maybe a  ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the front viewport? The wheels are a  cool little addition. Obviously they have enough bearing strength, and they  can launch and retrieve off channel ramps rather than trying to find a boat  ramp and trailer tongue long enough to back the whole thing down. Neat  solution.
>
>
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original  Message-----
>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>To: 
  Personal Submersibles General Discussion 
  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 3:16 
  pm
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>
>
>Jim, 
>
>
>
>Did  you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that!  Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military  AC.
>
>
>The  rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be  helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one  somewhere?
>
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
>
>OFF LIST
>Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a  mission.? I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or  Undersea Voyager project.
>?
>I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic  wood flooring or synthetic decking material.? Both are far superior to  real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing  properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a  fire.
>?
>Jim
>?
>In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>Thanks Jim, 
>>
>>
>>
>>Somehow  I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
>>
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
>>
>>Joe,
>>?
>>If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and scroll  down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there  is no description of the materials used.
>>?
>>Here's another video before its latest makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>>?
>>Jim
>>?
>>In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>>Jim,
>>>
>>>
>>>There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see  longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother  neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Here's another article showing the external mods to Great  White.? It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.? There's a  photo gallery about 70% of the way down.? -Jim
>>>>http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
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From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 19:27:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Joe,


It's something to keep in mind, that view angle. The K's work nicely if you are lying down, and a big dome port is even better. But if you measure the line of sight from say a K-350 front conning port, over the ballast tank and to the ground in front, it is a long, long way. Distance is your enemy down there. Even in good viz, details wash out quickly.


Vance



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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods



Vance,

External Hookah's, how interesting. That set up looks pretty ideal for shallow water salvage or archeology. I looked again and found the uncovered aluminum frame.

Your comment regarding pilot angle of view has bothered me for a number of years on my own design. I've repeatedly struggled with this very issue which is why my recent renewal of interest in the Nektons, and Hanks efforts in particular.


Jim,

Another look and I think you're correct in your assessment that those slats are synthetic flooring or decking. Note the concentric (plastic?) ring that butts up against the ribs for screw attachment.


Joe



 
 
 
 
 
  On Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:01 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Joe,
 
Yes, I would like to see more of the details on the makeover, but Scott's intended audience was not sub design enthusiasts.  His focus was more on drawing people into support of the mission which is a very important one.  He has mentioned getting the Great White to a Psubs convention.  That would be a great opportunity to really look it over and probably hear a presentation.
 
Jim
 

In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:25:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes:
Joe,   


  
The external deck mounted scuba tanks   are for hookah rigs, as I understand it. The rest of it seems to have been   built in aluminum angle to contain big MBTs and shield the other equipment.   Still no manipulator. He could really use one of those, maybe a   ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the front viewport? The wheels are a   cool little addition. Obviously they have enough bearing strength, and they   can launch and retrieve off channel ramps rather than trying to find a boat   ramp and trailer tongue long enough to back the whole thing down. Neat   solution.
  


  
Vance


  
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Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 3:16   pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods

  
  
  
  
Jim, 

  


  
Did   you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that!   Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military   AC.
  


  
The   rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be   helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one   somewhere?
  


  
Joe
  


  
  
  
On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM,   "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>   wrote:

  
  
  
  
OFF LIST
  
Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a   mission.  I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or   Undersea Voyager project.
  
 
  
I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic   wood flooring or synthetic decking material.  Both are far superior to   real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing   properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a   fire.
  
 
  
Jim
  
 
  
  
In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
  
    
    
Thanks Jim, 

    


    
Somehow     I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
    


    
Joe

    


    
    
    
On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,     "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>     wrote:

    
    
    
    
Joe,
    
 
    
If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and scroll     down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there     is no description of the materials used.
    
 
    
Here's another video before its latest makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
    
 
    
Jim
    
 
    
    
In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
    
      
Jim,
      


      
There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see       longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
      


      
I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother       neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
      


      
Joe



      

On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com       wrote:


      
        
        
Here's another article showing the external mods to Great         White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a         photo gallery about 70% of the way down.  -Jim
        
http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/

      
        
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From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 05:40:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Vance,

How effective and practical are today's live camera and LCD displays for supplemental viewing?

Joe




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:29 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
 
Joe, 

It's something to keep in mind, that view angle. The K's work nicely if you are lying down, and a big dome port is even better. But if you measure the line of sight from say a K-350 front conning port, over the ballast tank and to the ground in front, it is a long, long way. Distance is your enemy down there. Even in good viz, details wash out quickly.

Vance



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From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods


Vance,

External Hookah's, how interesting. That set up looks pretty ideal for shallow water salvage or archeology. I looked again and found the uncovered aluminum frame.

Your comment regarding pilot angle of view has bothered me for a number of years on my own design. I've repeatedly struggled with this very issue which is why my recent renewal of interest in the Nektons, and Hanks efforts in particular.


Jim,

Another look and I think you're correct in your assessment that those slats are synthetic flooring or decking. Note the concentric (plastic?) ring that butts up against the ribs for screw attachment.


Joe





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:01 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
 
 
Joe,
?
Yes, I would like to see more of the details on the makeover, 
but Scott's intended audience was not sub design enthusiasts.? His focus 
was more on drawing people into support of?the mission which is a very 
important one.? He has mentioned getting the Great White to a Psubs 
convention.? That would be a great opportunity to really look it over and 
probably hear a presentation.
?
Jim
?
In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:25:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes:
Joe,  
>
>
>The external deck mounted scuba tanks  are for hookah rigs, as I understand it. The rest of it seems to have been  built in aluminum angle to contain big MBTs and shield the other equipment.  Still no manipulator. He could really use one of those, maybe a  ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the front viewport? The wheels are a  cool little addition. Obviously they have enough bearing strength, and they  can launch and retrieve off channel ramps rather than trying to find a boat  ramp and trailer tongue long enough to back the whole thing down. Neat  solution.
>
>
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original  Message-----
>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>To: 
  Personal Submersibles General Discussion 
  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 3:16 
  pm
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>
>
>Jim, 
>
>
>
>Did  you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that!  Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military  AC.
>
>
>The  rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be  helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one  somewhere?
>
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
>
> 
>OFF LIST
>Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a  mission.? I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or  Undersea Voyager project.
>?
>I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic  wood flooring or synthetic decking material.? Both are far superior to  real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing  properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a  fire.
>?
>Jim
>?
>In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
> 
>>Thanks Jim, 
>>
>>
>>
>>Somehow  I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
>>
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>Joe,
>>?
>>If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and scroll  down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there  is no description of the materials used.
>>?
>>Here's another video before its latest makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>>?
>>Jim
>>?
>>In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>> 
>>>Jim,
>>>
>>>
>>>There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see  longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother  neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>>Here's another article showing the external mods to Great  White.? It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.? There's a  photo gallery about 70% of the way down.? -Jim
>>>>http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 09:37:59 -0500 (EST)
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I have no experience with them. Do you mean something like back-up cameras for cars and RVs? I'll tell you this. Blind spots can provide some surprises if you mess around long enough. Little boats like a DW can be spun in place to see behind or underneath. Longer subs not so much. It's worth thinking about, as considering availability, I'll bet cameras like that could be used and (with a little housing fiddle and wiring) wouldn't be all that expensive. In the hundreds of dollars range, I'll bet, rather than thousands.
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Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:40 am
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Vance,


How effective and practical are today's live camera and LCD displays for supplemental viewing?


Joe

 
 
 
 
 
  On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:29 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Joe,


It's something to keep in mind, that view angle. The K's work nicely if you are lying down, and a big dome port is even better. But if you measure the line of sight from say a K-350 front conning port, over the ballast tank and to the ground in front, it is a long, long way. Distance is your enemy down there. Even in good viz, details wash out quickly.


Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods



Vance,

External Hookah's, how interesting. That set up looks pretty ideal for shallow water salvage or archeology. I looked again and found the uncovered aluminum frame.

Your comment regarding pilot angle of view has bothered me for a number of years on my own design. I've repeatedly struggled with this very issue which is why my recent renewal of interest in the Nektons, and Hanks efforts in particular.


Jim,

Another look and I think you're correct in your assessment that those slats are synthetic flooring or decking. Note the concentric (plastic?) ring that butts up against the ribs for screw attachment.


Joe



 
 
 
 
 
  On Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:01 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Joe,
 
Yes, I would like to see more of the details on the makeover, but Scott's intended audience was not sub design enthusiasts.  His focus was more on drawing people into support of the mission which is a very important one.  He has mentioned getting the Great White to a Psubs convention.  That would be a great opportunity to really look it over and probably hear a presentation.
 
Jim
 

In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:25:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes:
Joe,   


  
The external deck mounted scuba tanks   are for hookah rigs, as I understand it. The rest of it seems to have been   built in aluminum angle to contain big MBTs and shield the other equipment.   Still no manipulator. He could really use one of those, maybe a   ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the front viewport? The wheels are a   cool little addition. Obviously they have enough bearing strength, and they   can launch and retrieve off channel ramps rather than trying to find a boat   ramp and trailer tongue long enough to back the whole thing down. Neat   solution.
  


  
Vance


  
-----Original   Message-----
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To:   Personal Submersibles General Discussion   <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 3:16   pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods

  
  
  
  
Jim, 

  


  
Did   you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that!   Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military   AC.
  


  
The   rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be   helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one   somewhere?
  


  
Joe
  


  
  
  
On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM,   "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>   wrote:

  
  
  
  
OFF LIST
  
Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a   mission.  I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or   Undersea Voyager project.
  
 
  
I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic   wood flooring or synthetic decking material.  Both are far superior to   real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing   properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a   fire.
  
 
  
Jim
  
 
  
  
In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
  
    
    
Thanks Jim, 

    


    
Somehow     I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
    


    
Joe

    


    
    
    
On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,     "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>     wrote:

    
    
    
    
Joe,
    
 
    
If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and scroll     down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there     is no description of the materials used.
    
 
    
Here's another video before its latest makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
    
 
    
Jim
    
 
    
    
In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
    
      
Jim,
      


      
There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see       longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
      


      
I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother       neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
      


      
Joe



      

On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com       wrote:


      
        
        
Here's another article showing the external mods to Great         White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a         photo gallery about 70% of the way down.  -Jim
        
http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/

      
        
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 07:25:17 -0800 (PST)
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Vance,

Everything is miniaturized these days. I just bought a flexible inspection camera at Home Dept for a 100 bucks with a 2" color screen that I used to locate a problem behind a wall. When I was an aircraft mechanic, a similar bore-scope would have set you back thousands.

I'm thinking dual usage in recording HD video on a DVR of the dive and critters, and a live feed from the bow camera to a 2" - 4" LCD screen mounted on one side of the forward facing port in the tower. On the other side of the same port could the sonar display. As an instrument rated pilot, I'm used to the notion of developing a scan between instrumentation and the outside world.

Everything's a compromise Vance. I'm struggling between an elongated bow shape for surface transit, or a blunt nose draggy type shape that tugs and dances on the towline. Everything's a long way off down in the Keys.

Joe





On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:41 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
 
I have no experience with them. Do you mean something like back-up cameras for cars and RVs? I'll tell you this. Blind spots can provide some surprises if you mess around long enough. Little boats like a DW can be spun in place to see behind or underneath. Longer subs not so much. It's worth thinking about, as considering availability, I'll bet cameras like that could be used and (with a little housing fiddle and wiring) wouldn't be all that expensive. In the hundreds of dollars range, I'll bet, rather than thousands. 
Vance



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Vance,

How effective and practical are today's live camera and LCD displays for supplemental viewing?

Joe




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:29 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
 
Joe,  

It's something to keep in mind, that view angle. The K's work nicely if you are lying down, and a big dome port is even better. But if you measure the line of sight from say a K-350 front conning port, over the ballast tank and to the ground in front, it is a long, long way. Distance is your enemy down there. Even in good viz, details wash out quickly.

Vance



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Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 5:42 pm
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Vance,

External Hookah's, how interesting. That set up looks pretty ideal for shallow water salvage or archeology. I looked again and found the uncovered aluminum frame.

Your comment regarding pilot angle of view has bothered me for a number of years on my own design. I've repeatedly struggled with this very issue which is why my recent renewal of interest in the Nektons, and Hanks efforts in particular.


Jim,

Another look and I think you're correct in your assessment that those slats are synthetic flooring or decking. Note the concentric (plastic?) ring that butts up against the ribs for screw attachment.


Joe





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:01 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
 
 
Joe,
?
Yes, I would like to see more of the details on the makeover, 
but Scott's intended audience was not sub design enthusiasts.? His focus 
was more on drawing people into support of?the mission which is a very 
important one.? He has mentioned getting the Great White to a Psubs 
convention.? That would be a great opportunity to really look it over and 
probably hear a presentation.
?
Jim
?
In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:25:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes:
Joe,  
>
>
>The external deck mounted scuba tanks  are for hookah rigs, as I understand it. The rest of it seems to have been  built in aluminum angle to contain big MBTs and shield the other equipment.  Still no manipulator. He could really use one of those, maybe a  ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the front viewport? The wheels are a  cool little addition. Obviously they have enough bearing strength, and they  can launch and retrieve off channel ramps rather than trying to find a boat  ramp and trailer tongue long enough to back the whole thing down. Neat  solution.
>
>
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original  Message-----
>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>To: 
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  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 3:16 
  pm
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>
>
>Jim, 
>
>
>
>Did  you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that!  Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military  AC.
>
>
>The  rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be  helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one  somewhere?
>
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
>
> 
>OFF LIST
>Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a  mission.? I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or  Undersea Voyager project.
>?
>I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic  wood flooring or synthetic decking material.? Both are far superior to  real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing  properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a  fire.
>?
>Jim
>?
>In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
> 
>>Thanks Jim, 
>>
>>
>>
>>Somehow  I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
>>
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>Joe,
>>?
>>If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and scroll  down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there  is no description of the materials used.
>>?
>>Here's another video before its latest makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>>?
>>Jim
>>?
>>In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>> 
>>>Jim,
>>>
>>>
>>>There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see  longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother  neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>>Here's another article showing the external mods to Great  White.? It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.? There's a  photo gallery about 70% of the way down.? -Jim
>>>>http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
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I was just reading about an Xi Sirrus 22. Wouldn't that be a nice little plane for week-end hops to Sebring? Sweet. All you'd need to do would be to clear a 1500' strip next to the house, and you're in business.


As to the small cameras, I was thinking a camera low in the stern, maybe looking back between the pods at the thrusters, with enough wide-angle to keep the bottom in sight. Lots of other options, as well. They'd be easy to mount. Partially drill a piece of acrylic solid stock (round stock), polish the ends, thread the opening. Have the camera mounted to the inboard side of a bulkhead connector. Screw the acrylic down, instant housing. I'm thinking not expensive, and you could have several of them, switchable, for looking out and recording as needed.


Towing is always a problem. Perry's original PC-3 class towed pretty nicely due to the long MBT and enclosed VBT forward. Pretty soon, however, it got to be a shipboard deal, so towing was merely for convenience or launch and recovery sequences. The Nektons, on the other hand, tow like a house afire (10 knots, if you've got enough grunt in the boat). No one else has really ever tried it except Paul Moorhouse. It looks like their big window behind and under a forward tank is a good compromise, but I have never messed with his subs directly (unfortunately).


Carsten's design tows okay, I suspect, but slowly. Their little subs are kissing cousins to Aquarius in shape with probably more stability due to the chord shaped fins aft. The A-boat (towed by the stern) tended to plunge above say 4 knots or so, and then the top deck makes a really nice aileron and down you go. Unhandy.


Vance



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Vance,

Everything is miniaturized these days. I just bought a flexible inspection camera at Home Dept for a 100 bucks with a 2" color screen that I used to locate a problem behind a wall. When I was an aircraft mechanic, a similar bore-scope would have set you back thousands.

I'm thinking dual usage in recording HD video on a DVR of the dive and critters, and a live feed from the bow camera to a 2" - 4" LCD screen mounted on one side of the forward facing port in the tower. On the other side of the same port could the sonar display. As an instrument rated pilot, I'm used to the notion of developing a scan between instrumentation and the outside world.

Everything's a compromise Vance. I'm struggling between an elongated bow shape for surface transit, or a blunt nose draggy type shape that tugs and dances on the towline. Everything's a long way off down in the Keys.

Joe



 
 
 
 
 
  On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:41 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

I have no experience with them. Do you mean something like back-up cameras for cars and RVs? I'll tell you this. Blind spots can provide some surprises if you mess around long enough. Little boats like a DW can be spun in place to see behind or underneath. Longer subs not so much. It's worth thinking about, as considering availability, I'll bet cameras like that could be used and (with a little housing fiddle and wiring) wouldn't be all that expensive. In the hundreds of dollars range, I'll bet, rather than thousands.
Vance



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Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:40 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods




Vance,


How effective and practical are today's live camera and LCD displays for supplemental viewing?


Joe

 
 
 
 
 
  On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:29 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Joe,


It's something to keep in mind, that view angle. The K's work nicely if you are lying down, and a big dome port is even better. But if you measure the line of sight from say a K-350 front conning port, over the ballast tank and to the ground in front, it is a long, long way. Distance is your enemy down there. Even in good viz, details wash out quickly.


Vance



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Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods



Vance,

External Hookah's, how interesting. That set up looks pretty ideal for shallow water salvage or archeology. I looked again and found the uncovered aluminum frame.

Your comment regarding pilot angle of view has bothered me for a number of years on my own design. I've repeatedly struggled with this very issue which is why my recent renewal of interest in the Nektons, and Hanks efforts in particular.


Jim,

Another look and I think you're correct in your assessment that those slats are synthetic flooring or decking. Note the concentric (plastic?) ring that butts up against the ribs for screw attachment.


Joe



 
 
 
 
 
  On Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:01 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Joe,
 
Yes, I would like to see more of the details on the makeover, but Scott's intended audience was not sub design enthusiasts.  His focus was more on drawing people into support of the mission which is a very important one.  He has mentioned getting the Great White to a Psubs convention.  That would be a great opportunity to really look it over and probably hear a presentation.
 
Jim
 

In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:25:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes:
Joe,   


  
The external deck mounted scuba tanks   are for hookah rigs, as I understand it. The rest of it seems to have been   built in aluminum angle to contain big MBTs and shield the other equipment.   Still no manipulator. He could really use one of those, maybe a   ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the front viewport? The wheels are a   cool little addition. Obviously they have enough bearing strength, and they   can launch and retrieve off channel ramps rather than trying to find a boat   ramp and trailer tongue long enough to back the whole thing down. Neat   solution.
  


  
Vance


  
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods

  
  
  
  
Jim, 

  


  
Did   you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that!   Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military   AC.
  


  
The   rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be   helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one   somewhere?
  


  
Joe
  


  
  
  
On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM,   "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>   wrote:

  
  
  
  
OFF LIST
  
Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a   mission.  I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or   Undersea Voyager project.
  
 
  
I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic   wood flooring or synthetic decking material.  Both are far superior to   real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing   properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a   fire.
  
 
  
Jim
  
 
  
  
In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
  
    
    
Thanks Jim, 

    


    
Somehow     I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
    


    
Joe

    


    
    
    
On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,     "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>     wrote:

    
    
    
    
Joe,
    
 
    
If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and scroll     down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there     is no description of the materials used.
    
 
    
Here's another video before its latest makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
    
 
    
Jim
    
 
    
    
In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
    
      
Jim,
      


      
There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see       longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
      


      
I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother       neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
      


      
Joe



      

On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com       wrote:


      
        
        
Here's another article showing the external mods to Great         White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a         photo gallery about 70% of the way down.  -Jim
        
http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/

      
        
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From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 13:04:09 -0500
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The question is what's the resolution of that two inch screen and is it 
good enough, and large enough, to see the details that you might want to 
see in an H2O environment.  Water is going to cut down both visibility 
and overall lux so the specs of the camera are important.  It also 
depends upon whether you just want a visual reference for surface 
obstruction issues or whether you want to keep filming during the dive 
and record the results just in case you bump into a real mermaid and 
want to have proof of her existence.

I've spent some time looking at this issue and found three reasonable 
solutions.

1) GoPro, Bullet Pro, or similar sport recording device.  They are small 
and take great images, and record to internal memory card. The bullet in 
particular is easy to encase in a housing because of its shape.  The 
problem is that you can't get a live feed off them (actually you can 
from the bullet but the image sucks) and battery averages two hours 
duration, so on a long dive you won't have a complete video.  Most of 
the PC2013 underwater diving footage is from these type of cameras.

2) Webcam in waterproof housing.  The microsoft lifecam webcam is a 
"bullet" type camera, 720HD, and easy to house in a 1-atm can. However, 
it is USB and requires external storage if you want to record the video 
feed which means carrying a laptop, netbook, or other device with enough 
storage for that data.  If you use a device with an OS you can at least 
start/stop recording when you like and therefore be more selective with 
the recorded images. I've been successful connecting up to three webcams 
into my netbook and viewing them all at the same time.  Benefit over the 
sport device is that you get both live feed and recording capability.  
They are cheap, averaging $79 (US) so if a housing fails and they go 
kaput, no big deal.

3) HD Video Cam, traditional consumer grade video camera.  Most of the 
newer models have internal recording and external feed so you can view 
live plus record.  These models provide the best image but good ones are 
also still relatively expensive ($800-1200 US) compared to sport cams 
and web cams.  I haven't had the courage to risk losing my video cam to 
water infiltration in a housing of my own fabrication.

Jon


On 2/9/2014 10:25 AM, Joe Perkel wrote:
> Vance,
>
> Everything is miniaturized these days. I just bought a flexible 
> inspection camera at Home Dept for a 100 bucks with a 2" color screen 
> that I used to locate a problem behind a wall. When I was an aircraft 
> mechanic, a similar bore-scope would have set you back thousands.
>
> I'm thinking dual usage in recording HD video on a DVR of the dive and 
> critters, and a live feed from the bow camera to a 2" - 4" LCD screen 
> mounted on one side of the forward facing port in the tower. On the 
> other side of the same port could the sonar display. As an instrument 
> rated pilot, I'm used to the notion of developing a scan between 
> instrumentation and the outside world.
>
> Everything's a compromise Vance. I'm struggling between an elongated 
> bow shape for surface transit, or a blunt nose draggy type shape that 
> tugs and dances on the towline. Everything's a long way off down in 
> the Keys.
>
> Joe

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At that level Vance Id be switching to the Range Rover waiting in the T-Hangar at the Sebring Airport and drive the 5 minutes to the house. SR22 is precisely what I would do if I could.

Thanks for the advice on the acrylic housings, I had not considered that, it is brilliant in its simplicity!

Joe




On Sunday, February 9, 2014 11:28 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
 
I was just reading about an Xi Sirrus 22. Wouldn't that be a nice little plane for week-end hops to Sebring? Sweet. All you'd need to do would be to clear a 1500' strip next to the house, and you're in business. 

As to the small cameras, I was thinking a camera low in the stern, maybe looking back between the pods at the thrusters, with enough wide-angle to keep the bottom in sight. Lots of other options, as well. They'd be easy to mount. Partially drill a piece of acrylic solid stock (round stock), polish the ends, thread the opening. Have the camera mounted to the inboard side of a bulkhead connector. Screw the acrylic down, instant housing. I'm thinking not expensive, and you could have several of them, switchable, for looking out and recording as needed.

Towing is always a problem. Perry's original PC-3 class towed pretty nicely due to the long MBT and enclosed VBT forward. Pretty soon, however, it got to be a shipboard deal, so towing was merely for convenience or launch and recovery sequences. The Nektons, on the other hand, tow like a house afire (10 knots, if you've got enough grunt in the boat). No one else has really ever tried it except Paul Moorhouse. It looks like their big window behind and under a forward tank is a good compromise, but I have never messed with his subs directly (unfortunately).

Carsten's design tows okay, I suspect, but slowly. Their little subs are kissing cousins to Aquarius in shape with probably more stability due to the chord shaped fins aft. The A-boat (towed by the stern) tended to plunge above say 4 knots or so, and then the top deck makes a really nice aileron and down you go. Unhandy.

Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 10:26 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods


Vance,

Everything is miniaturized these days. I just bought a flexible inspection camera at Home Dept for a 100 bucks with a 2" color screen that I used to locate a problem behind a wall. When I was an aircraft mechanic, a similar bore-scope would have set you back thousands.

I'm thinking dual usage in recording HD video on a DVR of the dive and critters, and a live feed from the bow camera to a 2" - 4" LCD screen mounted on one side of the forward facing port in the tower. On the other side of the same port could the sonar display. As an instrument rated pilot, I'm used to the notion of developing a scan between instrumentation and the outside world.

Everything's a compromise Vance. I'm struggling between an elongated bow shape for surface transit, or a blunt nose draggy
 type shape that tugs and dances on the towline. Everything's a long way off down in the Keys.

Joe





On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:41 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
 
I have no experience with them. Do you mean something like back-up cameras for cars and RVs? I'll tell you this. Blind spots can provide some surprises if you mess around long enough. Little boats like a DW can be spun in place to see behind or underneath. Longer subs not so much. It's worth thinking about, as considering availability, I'll bet cameras like that could be used and (with a little housing fiddle and wiring) wouldn't be all that expensive. In the hundreds of dollars range, I'll bet, rather than thousands.  
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:40 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods


Vance,

How effective and practical are today's live camera and LCD displays for supplemental viewing?

Joe




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:29 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
 
Joe,  

It's something to keep in mind, that view angle. The K's work nicely if you are lying down, and a big dome port is even better. But if you measure the line of sight from say a K-350 front conning port, over the ballast tank and to the ground in front, it is a long, long way. Distance is your enemy down there. Even in good viz, details wash out quickly.

Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods


Vance,

External Hookah's, how interesting. That set up looks pretty ideal for shallow water salvage or archeology. I looked again and found the uncovered aluminum frame.

Your comment regarding pilot angle of view has bothered me for a number of years on my own design. I've repeatedly struggled with this very issue which is why my recent renewal of interest in the Nektons, and Hanks efforts in particular.


Jim,

Another look and I think you're correct in your assessment that those slats are synthetic flooring or decking. Note the concentric (plastic?) ring that butts up against the ribs for screw attachment.


Joe





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:01 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
 
 
Joe,
?
Yes, I would like to see more of the details on the makeover, 
but Scott's intended audience was not sub design enthusiasts.? His focus 
was more on drawing people into support of?the mission which is a very 
important one.? He has mentioned getting the Great White to a Psubs 
convention.? That would be a great opportunity to really look it over and 
probably hear a presentation.
?
Jim
?
In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:25:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes:
Joe,  
>
>
>The external deck mounted scuba tanks  are for hookah rigs, as I understand it. The rest of it seems to have been  built in aluminum angle to contain big MBTs and shield the other equipment.  Still no manipulator. He could really use one of those, maybe a  ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the front viewport? The wheels are a  cool little addition. Obviously they have enough bearing strength, and they  can launch and retrieve off channel ramps rather than trying to find a boat  ramp and trailer tongue long enough to back the whole thing down. Neat  solution.
>
>
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original  Message-----
>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>To: 
  Personal Submersibles General Discussion 
  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 3:16 
  pm
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>
>
>Jim, 
>
>
>
>Did  you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that!  Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military  AC.
>
>
>The  rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be  helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one  somewhere?
>
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
>
> 
>OFF LIST
>Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a  mission.? I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or  Undersea Voyager project.
>?
>I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic  wood flooring or synthetic decking material.? Both are far superior to  real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing  properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a  fire.
>?
>Jim
>?
>In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
> 
>>Thanks Jim, 
>>
>>
>>
>>Somehow  I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
>>
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>Joe,
>>?
>>If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and scroll  down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there  is no description of the materials used.
>>?
>>Here's another video before its latest makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>>?
>>Jim
>>?
>>In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>> 
>>>Jim,
>>>
>>>
>>>There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see  longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother  neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>>Here's another article showing the external mods to Great  White.? It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.? There's a  photo gallery about 70% of the way down.? -Jim
>>>>http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
>>>_______________________________________________
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  9 13:17:22 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 10:17:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Jon,

I like the cheap webcam in a housing simply for obstruction avoidance directly in front if I go with a restricted forward view.

As for critters, did you notice the set-up on that video with the kids diving Snooper? They had a camcorder fixed mounted looking out a port, effectively turning the sub itself into a housing for an HD camera. Not a bad solution.

Joe




On Sunday, February 9, 2014 1:09 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
At that level Vance Id be switching to the Range Rover waiting in the T-Hangar at the Sebring Airport and drive the 5 minutes to the house. SR22 is precisely what I would do if I could.

Thanks for the advice on the acrylic housings, I had not considered that, it is brilliant in its simplicity!

Joe




On Sunday, February 9, 2014 11:28 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
 
I was just reading about an Xi Sirrus 22. Wouldn't that be a nice little plane for week-end hops to Sebring? Sweet. All you'd need to do would be to clear a 1500' strip next to the house, and you're in business. 

As to the small cameras, I was thinking a camera low in the stern, maybe looking back between the pods at the thrusters, with enough wide-angle to keep the bottom in sight. Lots of other options, as well. They'd be easy to mount. Partially drill a piece of acrylic solid stock (round stock), polish the ends, thread the opening. Have the camera mounted to the inboard side of a bulkhead connector. Screw the acrylic down, instant housing. I'm thinking not expensive, and you could have several of them, switchable, for looking out and recording as needed.

Towing is always a problem. Perry's original PC-3 class towed pretty nicely due to the long MBT and enclosed VBT forward. Pretty soon, however, it got to be a shipboard deal, so towing was merely for convenience or launch and recovery sequences. The Nektons, on the other hand, tow like a house afire (10 knots, if you've got enough grunt in the boat). No one else has really ever tried it except Paul Moorhouse. It looks like their big window behind and under a forward tank is a good compromise, but I have never messed with his subs directly (unfortunately).

Carsten's design tows okay, I suspect, but slowly. Their little subs are kissing cousins to Aquarius in shape with probably more stability due to the chord shaped fins aft. The A-boat (towed by the stern) tended to plunge above say 4 knots or so, and then the top deck makes a really nice aileron and down you go. Unhandy.

Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 10:26 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods


Vance,

Everything is miniaturized these days. I just bought a flexible inspection camera at Home Dept for a 100 bucks with a 2" color screen that I used to locate a problem behind a wall. When I was an aircraft mechanic, a similar bore-scope would have set you back thousands.

I'm thinking dual usage in recording HD video on a DVR of the dive and critters, and a live feed from the bow camera to a 2" - 4" LCD screen mounted on one side of the forward facing port in the tower. On the other side of the same port could the sonar display. As an instrument rated pilot, I'm used to the notion of developing a scan between instrumentation and the outside world.

Everything's a compromise Vance. I'm struggling between an elongated bow shape for surface transit, or a blunt nose draggy
 type shape that tugs and dances on the towline. Everything's a long way off down in the Keys.

Joe





On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:41 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
 
I have no experience with them. Do you mean something like back-up cameras for cars and RVs? I'll tell you this. Blind spots can provide some surprises if you mess around long enough. Little boats like a DW can be spun in place to see behind or underneath. Longer subs not so much. It's worth thinking about, as considering availability, I'll bet cameras like that could be used and (with a little housing fiddle and wiring) wouldn't be all that expensive. In the hundreds of dollars range, I'll bet, rather than thousands.  
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:40 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods


Vance,

How effective and practical are today's live camera and LCD displays for supplemental viewing?

Joe




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:29 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
 
Joe,  

It's something to keep in mind, that view angle. The K's work nicely if you are lying down, and a big dome port is even better. But if you measure the line of sight from say a K-350 front conning port, over the ballast tank and to the ground in front, it is a long, long way. Distance is your enemy down there. Even in good viz, details wash out quickly.

Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods


Vance,

External Hookah's, how interesting. That set up looks pretty ideal for shallow water salvage or archeology. I looked again and found the uncovered aluminum frame.

Your comment regarding pilot angle of view has bothered me for a number of years on my own design. I've repeatedly struggled with this very issue which is why my recent renewal of interest in the Nektons, and Hanks efforts in particular.


Jim,

Another look and I think you're correct in your assessment that those slats are synthetic flooring or decking. Note the concentric (plastic?) ring that butts up against the ribs for screw attachment.


Joe





On Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:01 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
 
 
Joe,
?
Yes, I would like to see more of the details on the makeover, 
but Scott's intended audience was not sub design enthusiasts.? His focus 
was more on drawing people into support of?the mission which is a very 
important one.? He has mentioned getting the Great White to a Psubs 
convention.? That would be a great opportunity to really look it over and 
probably hear a presentation.
?
Jim
?
In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:25:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes:
Joe,  
>
>
>The external deck mounted scuba tanks  are for hookah rigs, as I understand it. The rest of it seems to have been  built in aluminum angle to contain big MBTs and shield the other equipment.  Still no manipulator. He could really use one of those, maybe a  ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the front viewport? The wheels are a  cool little addition. Obviously they have enough bearing strength, and they  can launch and retrieve off channel ramps rather than trying to find a boat  ramp and trailer tongue long enough to back the whole thing down. Neat  solution.
>
>
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original  Message-----
>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>To: 
  Personal Submersibles General Discussion 
  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 3:16 
  pm
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>
>
>Jim, 
>
>
>
>Did  you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that!  Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military  AC.
>
>
>The  rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be  helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one  somewhere?
>
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
>
> 
>OFF LIST
>Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a  mission.? I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or  Undersea Voyager project.
>?
>I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic  wood flooring or synthetic decking material.? Both are far superior to  real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing  properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a  fire.
>?
>Jim
>?
>In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
> 
>>Thanks Jim, 
>>
>>
>>
>>Somehow  I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
>>
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>Joe,
>>?
>>If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and scroll  down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there  is no description of the materials used.
>>?
>>Here's another video before its latest makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>>?
>>Jim
>>?
>>In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>> 
>>>Jim,
>>>
>>>
>>>There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see  longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother  neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>>Here's another article showing the external mods to Great  White.? It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.? There's a  photo gallery about 70% of the way down.? -Jim
>>>>http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Personal_Submersibles  mailing list
>>>>Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>>>
>>>
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Jon and any other inventor,
If you guys build small housings and want them pressure tested, just send them to me.? I have a chamber for windows and for small items.? Also I have an endless supply of hp air.
Hank



On Sunday, February 9, 2014 11:09:47 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
At that level Vance Id be switching to the Range Rover waiting in the T-Hangar at the Sebring Airport and drive the 5 minutes to the house. SR22 is precisely what I would do if I could.

Thanks for the advice on the acrylic housings, I had not considered that, it is brilliant in its simplicity!

Joe




On Sunday, February 9, 2014 11:28 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
I was just reading about an Xi Sirrus 22. Wouldn't that be a nice little plane for week-end hops to Sebring? Sweet. All you'd need to do would be to clear a 1500' strip next to the house, and you're in business. 
 
As to the small cameras, I was thinking a camera low in the stern, maybe looking back between the pods at the thrusters, with enough wide-angle to keep the bottom in sight. Lots of other options, as well. They'd be easy to mount. Partially drill a piece of acrylic solid stock (round stock), polish the ends, thread the opening. Have the camera mounted to the inboard side of a bulkhead connector. Screw the acrylic down, instant housing. I'm thinking not expensive, and you could have several of them, switchable, for looking out and recording as needed. 
 
Towing is always a problem. Perry's original PC-3 class towed pretty nicely due to the long MBT and enclosed VBT forward. Pretty soon, however, it got to be a shipboard deal, so towing was merely for convenience or launch and recovery sequences. The Nektons, on the other hand, tow like a house afire (10 knots, if you've got enough grunt in the boat). No one else has really ever tried it except Paul Moorhouse. It looks like their big window behind and under a forward tank is a good compromise, but I have never messed with his subs directly (unfortunately). 
 
Carsten's design tows okay, I suspect, but slowly. Their little subs are kissing cousins to Aquarius in shape with probably more stability due to the chord shaped fins aft. The A-boat (towed by the stern) tended to plunge above say 4 knots or so, and then the top deck makes a really nice aileron and down you go. Unhandy. 
 
Vance



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Vance,

Everything is miniaturized these days. I just bought a flexible inspection camera at Home Dept for a 100 bucks with a 2" color screen that I used to locate a problem behind a wall. When I was an aircraft mechanic, a similar bore-scope would have set you back thousands.

I'm thinking dual usage in recording HD video on a DVR of the dive and critters, and a live feed from the bow camera to a 2" - 4" LCD screen mounted on one side of the forward facing port in the tower. On the other side of the same port could the sonar display. As an instrument rated pilot, I'm used to the notion of developing a scan between instrumentation and the outside world.

Everything's a compromise Vance. I'm struggling between an elongated bow shape for surface transit, or a blunt nose draggy
 type shape that tugs and dances on the towline. Everything's a long way off down in the Keys.

Joe

 



On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:41 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
I have no experience with them. Do you mean something like back-up cameras for cars and RVs? I'll tell you this. Blind spots can provide some surprises if you mess around long enough. Little boats like a DW can be spun in place to see behind or underneath. Longer subs not so much. It's worth thinking about, as considering availability, I'll bet cameras like that could be used and (with a little housing fiddle and wiring) wouldn't be all that expensive. In the hundreds of dollars range, I'll bet, rather than thousands.  
Vance



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Vance, 
 
How effective and practical are today's live camera and LCD displays for supplemental viewing? 
 
Joe
 



On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:29 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
Joe,  
 
It's something to keep in mind, that view angle. The K's work nicely if you are lying down, and a big dome port is even better. But if you measure the line of sight from say a K-350 front conning port, over the ballast tank and to the ground in front, it is a long, long way. Distance is your enemy down there. Even in good viz, details wash out quickly. 
 
Vance



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Vance,

External Hookah's, how interesting. That set up looks pretty ideal for shallow water salvage or archeology. I looked again and found the uncovered aluminum frame.

Your comment regarding pilot angle of view has bothered me for a number of years on my own design. I've repeatedly struggled with this very issue which is why my recent renewal of interest in the Nektons, and Hanks efforts in particular.


Jim,

Another look and I think you're correct in your assessment that those slats are synthetic flooring or decking. Note the concentric (plastic?) ring that butts up against the ribs for screw attachment.


Joe

 



On Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:01 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
  
 
Joe, 
? 
Yes, I would like to see more of the details on the makeover, 
but Scott's intended audience was not sub design enthusiasts.? His focus 
was more on drawing people into support of?the mission which is a very 
important one.? He has mentioned getting the Great White to a Psubs 
convention.? That would be a great opportunity to really look it over and 
probably hear a presentation. 
? 
Jim 

In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:25:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes: 
Joe,  
>
> 
>The external deck mounted scuba tanks  are for hookah rigs, as I understand it. The rest of it seems to have been  built in aluminum angle to contain big MBTs and shield the other equipment.  Still no manipulator. He could really use one of those, maybe a  ball-and-socket variant welded in next to the front viewport? The wheels are a  cool little addition. Obviously they have enough bearing strength, and they  can launch and retrieve off channel ramps rather than trying to find a boat  ramp and trailer tongue long enough to back the whole thing down. Neat  solution. 
>
> 
>Vance
>
>
>
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  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 3:16 
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>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>
>
>Jim, 
> 
>
> 
>Did  you catch the external "Rescue Ballast" valve handles? I really liked that!  Clearly marked and self explanatory, much like the canopy release on military  AC. 
>
> 
>The  rest of the design is harder to follow the train of thought. It would be  helpful to see a cutaway, wire-frame, or ghosted image. Did I miss one  somewhere? 
>
> 
>Joe 
>
>
>
>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:33 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
> 
> 
>OFF LIST 
>Yeah, Scott is a great guy, but he's a man on a  mission.? I'm sure he will read the emails referencing Great White or  Undersea Voyager project. 
>? 
>I suspect the interior materials used were either synthetic  wood flooring or synthetic decking material.? Both are far superior to  real wood for this application, but you would have to check for off-gassing  properties both from general usage in a confined space or in the event of a  fire. 
>? 
>Jim 
>
>In a message dated 2/8/2014 1:18:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes: 
> 
>>Thanks Jim, 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>Somehow  I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat! 
>>
>> 
>>Joe
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM,  "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>Joe, 
>>
>>If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and scroll  down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there  is no description of the materials used. 
>>
>>Here's another video before its latest makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8 
>>
>>Jim 
>>
>>In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes: 
>> 
>>>Jim, 
>>>
>>> 
>>>There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see  longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother  neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>Here's another article showing the external mods to Great  White.? It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.? There's a  photo gallery about 70% of the way down.? -Jim 
>>>>http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/   
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Hank,
Is the cable too heavy to attach to a smaller boat?  Like a rubber dingy?
Then you could move the barge out of the way and float about nearby with
only the lighter boat above the sub if it does come up like a rocket?
Just a thought.
James

On 8 February 2014 01:57, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

>  Alan,
> I think the weight of the cable will prevent feeling anything.  1,000 feet
> of cable, that is a long way!   Also the sub may come up on any old angle
> all the way from that depth, it might
>  land in my driveway at home lol.
>
> Vance,
> Your starting to make me nervous :-)  I will send you the first picture of
> it back on the trailer.
> Hank
>
>
>
>  On Friday, February 7, 2014 6:47:39 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>   Your wife, Hank. Now there's a good option, does she know how
> to operate the ballast valves?
> If the cable started going slack you would know the sub was
> coming up & could get out of the way. just keep tension on the line
> with the boat & as long as there is an angle on the cable you won't get
> hit.
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 8/02/2014, at 1:33 pm, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>   Joe,
> My wife, (the brains of the operation)  says the same thing.  I have to
> agree, I can send it down on the cable and bring it up on the cable.  The
> auto pilot Alec sent me is a fantastic back up.  If there is a problem with
> the lifting system, I will just back away and wait.
>
> Hank
>
>
>  On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:27:46 PM, Joe Perkel <
> josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Hank,
>
> What I don't like about deep water remote testing, is the fact that we are
> testing against the worst case scenario, a sub full of water. The good news
> of course being unmanned.
>
> Therefore to my mind we must be prepared for that worst case scenario,
> meaning being in the best possible position to recover the sub. That means
> heavy lifting doesn't it?
>
> Sending a grapple down a line requires 100% success in making contact, is
> that assured? I don't know I've never done it.
>
> So if I had the means to send it down on a cable, that's what I think I'd
> do.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:08 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>   PROBLEM, now that I am getting Alec's auto pilot, I run the risk of the
> sub surfacing violently if it develops a leak and the water sensor tells
> the sub to surface.  If I have my steel barge above Gamma there could be a
> very serious collision.  The other option is to forget the barge and send
> Gamma down with a rope attached as a locator and a way to slide a cable
> down to retrieve it.  The rope only needs a rubber float to locate it.  I
> would put a second auto pilot in that relies on a battery going dead to
> make it surface with a separate hp source.
> What to do hmmm
> The other option is use the auto pilot from Alec without the water sensor
> and have the barge over Gamma with the cable between.  Then there is a
> safety if the cable fell off or what ever, and if the sub fills with water
> I can winch it up.
> Hmm , what do you guys think.
> Hank
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From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:20:32 +0000
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Ive just pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking
mechanism and just reading this article on Great White, he used a much
better idea.  Ratchet straps.  This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.

Kind Regards
James





On 8 February 2014 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  Thanks Jim,
>
> Somehow I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
>
> Joe
>
>
>  On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <
> JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
>   Joe,
>
> If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and scroll down to
> the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there is no
> description of the materials used.
>
> Here's another video before its latest makeover:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>
> Jim
>
>  In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Jim,
>
> There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see
> longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
>
> I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother neater
> appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>
>  Here's another article showing the external mods to Great White.  It
> doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70%
> of the way down.  -Jim
>
> http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Mon Feb 10 08:17:31 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
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James, 
I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to a soft float like an inner tube even.? Not a bad idea!? 
Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
Hank



On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
  
Ive just pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking mechanism and just reading this article on Great White, he?used a much better idea.? Ratchet straps.? This would have been a lot easier!? see pic. 

Kind Regards 
James 




? 
On 8 February 2014 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks Jim, 
> 
>
> 
>Somehow I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat! 
>
> 
>Joe
> 
>
>
>
>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>Joe, 
>
>If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there is no description of the materials used. 
>
>Here's another video before its latest makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8 
>
>Jim 
>
>In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes: 
>Jim, 
>>
>> 
>>There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs. 
>>
>> 
>>I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface. 
>>
>> 
>>Joe
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> 
>>Here's another article showing the external mods to Great White.? It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.? There's a photo gallery about 70% of the way down.? -Jim 
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James,
What is your?plan for your deep test?
Hank?



On , hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
  
James, 
I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to a soft float like an inner tube even.? Not a bad idea!? 
Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
Hank



On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
  
Ive just pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking mechanism and just reading this article on Great White, he?used a much better idea.? Ratchet straps.? This would have been a lot easier!? see pic. 

Kind Regards 
James 




? 
On 8 February 2014 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks Jim, 
> 
>
> 
>Somehow I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat! 
>
> 
>Joe
> 
>
>
>
>On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>Joe, 
>
>If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there is no description of the materials used. 
>
>Here's another video before its latest makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8 
>
>Jim 
>
>In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes: 
>Jim, 
>>
>> 
>>There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs. 
>>
>> 
>>I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface. 
>>
>> 
>>Joe
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> 
>>Here's another article showing the external mods to Great White.? It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.? There's a photo gallery about 70% of the way down.? -Jim 
>>>http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/  
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Mon Feb 10 09:18:06 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:18:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the historians to track this down in a hundred years.
Vance



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Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods



James,
What is your plan for your deep test?
Hank 
 
 
 
 
 
  On , hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
  
  


James, 
I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to a soft float like an inner tube even.  Not a bad idea!  
Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
  
  

Ive just pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking mechanism and just reading this article on Great White, he used a much better idea.  Ratchet straps.  This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.
 
Kind Regards
James
 
 


 
On 8 February 2014 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:



Thanks Jim, 



Somehow I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!


Joe






On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:



Joe,
 
If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there is no description of the materials used.
 
Here's another video before its latest makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
 
Jim
 

In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:

Jim,


There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.


I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.


Joe




On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:



Here's another article showing the external mods to Great White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70% of the way down.  -Jim
http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/


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From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com  Mon Feb 10 11:01:50 2014
From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:01:50 +0000
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan
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Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling under the heading Great
White Mods. Gonna be hard for the historians to track this down in a
hundred years.
Vance

James,
What is your plan for your deep test?
Hank

AHA! new subject title!

Plan for the deep test is to take it out to sea and sink it down.  I'll rig
up some sort of lift bag arrangement to bring it up.  Ive got 60m of water
fairly close in, plus i can have a diver with it at that depth, so that
should be at least a start.  If thats ok, i plan to take it out to 150m of
water, which is quite a bit further out.  There is a boat here that is an
old navy landing craft (fought in the Falklands war) and has been fitted
with a hiab crane.  They use it for shipping stores to the smaller
islands.  Im hoping to use that for the big test.  I have to just ask the
bloke at the right moment...

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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 11:39:01 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:39:01 -0600
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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vance,
we've just done "Am I a dork" & "tampon filters"
we will be confusing a lot of people.
Alan

Sent from my iPad

> On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the historians to track this down in a hundred years.
> Vance
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
> 
> James,
> What is your plan for your deep test?
> Hank 
> 
> 
> On , hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> James,
> I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to a soft float like an inner tube even.  Not a bad idea! 
> Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
> Ive just pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking mechanism and just reading this article on Great White, he used a much better idea.  Ratchet straps.  This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.
>  
> Kind Regards
> James
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> On 8 February 2014 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks Jim, 
> 
> Somehow I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
> Joe,
>  
> If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there is no description of the materials used.
>  
> Here's another video before its latest makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>  
> Jim
>  
> In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
> Jim,
> 
> There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.
> 
> I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> Here's another article showing the external mods to Great White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70% of the way down.  -Jim
>> http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Mon Feb 10 11:53:31 2014
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:53:31 -0500 (EST)
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I stand corrected.



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Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods



vance,
we've just done "Am I a dork" & "tampon filters"
we will be confusing a lot of people.
Alan

Sent from my iPad

On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com wrote:



Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the historians to track this down in a hundred years.
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods



James,
What is your plan for your deep test?
Hank 
 
 
 
 
 
  On , hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
  
  


James, 
I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to a soft float like an inner tube even.  Not a bad idea!  
Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
  
  

Ive just pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking mechanism and just reading this article on Great White, he used a much better idea.  Ratchet straps.  This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.
 
Kind Regards
James
 
 


 
On 8 February 2014 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:



Thanks Jim, 



Somehow I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit chat!


Joe






On Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:



Joe,
 
If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots of the interior, but there is no description of the materials used.
 
Here's another video before its latest makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
 
Jim
 

In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:

Jim,


There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over the ribs.


I'd like to know what those are as they give the interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent mounting surface.


Joe




On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:



Here's another article showing the external mods to Great White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250 anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70% of the way down.  -Jim
http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/


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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Mon Feb 10 12:29:51 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:29:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cold weather effect on ports
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Is there an adverse effect from cold temperatures on ports.? I hear about cold weather dives in the North Sea etc.
When is it to cold for ports if ever?
Hank
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Mon Feb 10 12:49:11 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:49:11 -0500 (EST)
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Did a thousand plus dives in the North Sea without issues. I was thinking about the difference between ice water and air, but your air temp will be like ours was in winter. Cold. I've had snow on the ballast tanks during pre-dive ops and then gone merrily to work with no  issues, so I'm thinking it won't make any difference in your case, either. Of course, we had o-rings and you've got gaskets. Don't know if that matters, though. The good news is you tested them all for depth plus, so they're already proof tested.


Earlier, I was just throwing some ideas out, but Nuytco has done a LOT of under ice work over the years with no issues that I've heard of. Phil is in New Orleans this week for UI (wish I was, too) so don't know if he'll have time to chime in. He'd be the go-to guy for the engineering skinny on this.


Vance



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Is there an adverse effect from cold temperatures on ports.  I hear about cold weather dives in the North Sea etc.
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Mon Feb 10 12:59:06 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:59:06 -0500 (EST)
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Web Maynard built his K-350 and took Kittredge at his word. He dove it to test depth in 100 foot increments. DOVE IT, mind you. As in, climbed aboard and went on down there himself. He didn't see the problem. The hull was okay. He knew that from the start and figured a guy with a flashlight and a handy crescent wrench was safer than sending all that money down on the end of a string. Not everyone's cup of tea, but it worked just fine. Web just shrugged when I raised an eyebrow. "What was going to happen?" he asked. "Piddly little leaks, maybe. Nothing more." And he didn't even have those. The little K just went about its business, pretty as you please. He did that up in the Finger Lakes in New York, one of which has a 500 foot plus hole somewhere. Quite a guy, old Web. You gotta love him for sheer balls. He was a professional fire fighter. Plenty of nerve to go around, those folks.
Vance



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Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan


Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the historians to track this down in a hundred years. 
Vance
 
James,
What is your plan for your deep test?
Hank 
 
AHA! new subject title!
 
Plan for the deep test is to take it out to sea and sink it down.  I'll rig up some sort of lift bag arrangement to bring it up.  Ive got 60m of water fairly close in, plus i can have a diver with it at that depth, so that should be at least a start.  If thats ok, i plan to take it out to 150m of water, which is quite a bit further out.  There is a boat here that is an old navy landing craft (fought in the Falklands war) and has been fitted with a hiab crane.  They use it for shipping stores to the smaller islands.  Im hoping to use that for the big test.  I have to just ask the bloke at the right moment...
 
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From MerlinSub at t-online.de  Mon Feb 10 13:31:00 2014
From: MerlinSub at t-online.de ( )
Date: 10 Feb 2014 18:31 GMT
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cold weather effect on ports
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Hi Hank,
 
the limit according to GL is -18 celius degree 
- a temp seawater can not reach. 

The max temp to GL is 66 degree.

In general colder is better for the pressure resistant of the windows
(acryl). 

vbr Carsten
  

"hank pronk" <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> schrieb: 
Is there an adverse effect from cold temperatures on ports.  I hear
about cold weather dives in the North Sea etc.
When is it to cold for ports if ever?
Hank
 
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From cast55 at telus.net  Mon Feb 10 14:48:27 2014
From: cast55 at telus.net (Sean T. Stevenson)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:48:27 -0700
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cold weather effect on ports
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One presumes that there could potentially be an issue with either thermal shock to the acrylic window, or with o-ring compliance when taking a sub at thermal equilibrium on a frigid deck (-30? C) and immersing it in seawater at ~0? C.  It takes some time for both acrylic and elastomers to warm up - they are poor conductors of heat.  Don't the o-rings stiffen in the cold?

Sean


  <MerlinSub at t-online.de> wrote:
>Hi Hank,
> 
>the limit according to GL is -18 celius degree 
>- a temp seawater can not reach. 
>
>The max temp to GL is 66 degree.
>
>In general colder is better for the pressure resistant of the windows
>(acryl). 
>
>vbr Carsten
>  
>
>"hank pronk" <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> schrieb: 
>Is there an adverse effect from cold temperatures on ports.  I hear
>about cold weather dives in the North Sea etc.
>When is it to cold for ports if ever?
>Hank
> 
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Mon Feb 10 16:40:28 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:40:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cold weather effect on ports
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Sean,


Originally Perry used plain old neoprene o-rings, and then they sent PC-8 to Alaska for a walrus-through-the-ice-off-an-icebreaker mission. The o-rings compressed at depth but would not expand fast enough on surfacing due to the cold. The primary problem was hatch, main viewport and battery pods. Somebody had to scramble up a set of red rubber jobs with low-temp capabilities, then the boys had to tear the sub partly down to install them--on deck under a tarp, of course. Great fun. Not!!! Afterwards, we went back to neoprene with, one assumes, a different temp rating and never really had another problem. Well, okay, there was that other time.....


Vance



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Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cold weather effect on ports



One presumes that there could potentially be an issue with either thermal shock to the acrylic window, or with o-ring compliance when taking a sub at thermal equilibrium on a frigid deck (-30? C) and immersing it in seawater at ~0? C.  It takes some time for both acrylic and elastomers to warm up - they are poor conductors of heat.  Don't the o-rings stiffen in the cold?
Sean




  <MerlinSub at t-online.de> wrote:
Hi Hank,
 
the limit according to GL is -18 celius degree 
- a temp seawater can not reach. 

The max temp to GL is 66degree.

In general colder is better for the pressure resistant of the windows (acryl). 

vbr Carsten
 

"hank pronk" <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> schrieb:

Is there an adverse effect from cold temperatures on ports. I hear about cold weather dives in the North Sea etc.
When isit to cold for ports if ever?
Hank

 



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From wreckdiver at frontiernet.net  Mon Feb 10 17:23:03 2014
From: wreckdiver at frontiernet.net (Al Secor)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 14:23:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan
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References: <CAHpB=UDOx7HKAUqpi9Va3E4te=hcUEkuWeFCppT8qbuFEMQM3w@mail.gmail.com>
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That's Seneca Lake at Watkins Glen, NY about 30 mi from me.? Same lake We dove Snoopy with Alex and I helped Dan H. do his dunk test at with Persistence.


?
Al Secor


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To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org 
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan
 


Web Maynard built his K-350 and took Kittredge at his word. He dove it to test depth in 100 foot increments. DOVE IT, mind you. As in, climbed aboard and went on down there himself. He didn't see the problem. The hull was okay. He knew that from the start and figured a guy with a flashlight and a handy crescent wrench was safer than sending all that money down on the end of a string. Not everyone's cup of tea, but it worked just fine. Web just shrugged when I raised an eyebrow. "What was going to happen?" he asked. "Piddly little leaks, maybe. Nothing more." And he didn't even have those. The little K just went about its business, pretty as you please. He did that up in the Finger Lakes in New York, one of which has a 500 foot plus hole somewhere. Quite a guy, old Web. You gotta love him for sheer balls. He was a professional fire fighter. Plenty of nerve to go around, those folks. 
Vance



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From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:02 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan


Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the historians to track this down in a hundred years. 
Vance
?
James,
What is your plan for your deep test?
Hank 
?
AHA! new subject title!
?
Plan for the deep test is to take it out to sea and sink it down.? I'll rig up some sort of lift bag arrangement to bring it up.? Ive got 60m of water fairly close in, plus i can have a diver with it at that depth, so that should be at least a start.? If thats ok, i plan to take it out to 150m of water, which is quite a bit further out.? There is a boat here that is an old navy landing craft (fought in the Falklands war) and has been fitted with a hiab crane.? They use it for shipping stores to the smaller islands.? Im hoping to use that for the big test.? I have to just ask the bloke at the right moment...
?
James
?
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From wreckdiver at frontiernet.net  Mon Feb 10 17:26:09 2014
From: wreckdiver at frontiernet.net (Al Secor)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 14:26:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan
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That's Alec, not Alex...sorry Alec!


?
Al Secor


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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan
 


That's Seneca Lake at Watkins Glen, NY about 30 mi from me.? Same lake We dove Snoopy with Alex and I helped Dan H. do his dunk test at with Persistence.

?
Al Secor


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To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org 
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan
 


Web Maynard built his K-350 and took Kittredge at his word. He dove it to test depth in 100 foot increments. DOVE IT, mind you. As in, climbed aboard and went on down there himself. He didn't see the problem. The hull was okay. He knew that from the start and figured a guy with a flashlight and a handy crescent wrench was safer than sending all that money down on the end of a string. Not everyone's cup of tea, but it worked just fine. Web just shrugged when I raised an eyebrow. "What was going to happen?" he asked. "Piddly little leaks, maybe. Nothing more." And he didn't even have those. The little K just went about its business, pretty as you please. He did that up in the Finger Lakes in New York, one of which has a 500 foot plus hole somewhere. Quite a guy, old Web. You gotta love him for sheer balls. He was a professional fire fighter. Plenty of nerve to go around, those folks. 
Vance



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From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:02 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan


Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the historians to track this down in a hundred years. 
Vance
?
James,
What is your plan for your deep test?
Hank 
?
AHA! new subject title!
?
Plan for the deep test is to take it out to sea and sink it down.? I'll rig up some sort of lift bag arrangement to bring it up.? Ive got 60m of water fairly close in, plus i can have a diver with it at that depth, so that should be at least a start.? If thats ok, i plan to take it out to 150m of water, which is quite a bit further out.? There is a boat here that is an old navy landing craft (fought in the Falklands war) and has been fitted with a hiab crane.? They use it for shipping stores to the smaller islands.? Im hoping to use that for the big test.? I have to just ask the bloke at the right moment...
?
James
?
?
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Mon Feb 10 17:34:59 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:34:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan
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Thanks Al. I remembered that right after I read it. I think that's the lake where Web salvaged the first Lake Amphibian airplane after it punched a wave on takeoff and sank. The owners sicced the sheriff on Web and made him give up the wreckage (the plane was totaled, of course). He was mad as hops about the whole thing because apparently they wouldn't pay him, or even say thanks, or have a nice day, or kiss my ass, or anything else. Mind you, I'm betting there was another side to the story that we didn't get, but hey, who's counting?
Vance



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Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:26 pm
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That's Alec, not Alex...sorry Alec!


 
Al Secor


  
 
 
 
   From: Al Secor <wreckdiver at frontiernet.net>
 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
 Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 5:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan
  
 



That's Seneca Lake at Watkins Glen, NY about 30 mi from me.  Same lake We dove Snoopy with Alex and I helped Dan H. do his dunk test at with Persistence.


 
Al Secor


  
 
 
 
   From: "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com>
 To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org 
 Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 12:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan
  
 


Web Maynard built his K-350 and took Kittredge at his word. He dove it to test depth in 100 foot increments. DOVE IT, mind you. As in, climbed aboard and went on down there himself. He didn't see the problem. The hull was okay. He knew that from the start and figured a guy with a flashlight and a handy crescent wrench was safer than sending all that money down on the end of a string. Not everyone's cup of tea, but it worked just fine. Web just shrugged when I raised an eyebrow. "What was going to happen?" he asked. "Piddly little leaks, maybe. Nothing more." And he didn't even have those. The little K just went about its business, pretty as you please. He did that up in the Finger Lakes in New York, one of which has a 500 foot plus hole somewhere. Quite a guy, old Web. You gotta love him for sheer balls. He was a professional fire fighter. Plenty of nerve to go around, those folks.
Vance



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From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:02 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan



Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the historians to track this down in a hundred years. 
Vance
 
James,
What is your plan for your deep test?
Hank 
 
AHA! new subject title!
 
Plan for the deep test is to take it out to sea and sink it down.  I'll rig up some sort of lift bag arrangement to bring it up.  Ive got 60m of water fairly close in, plus i can have a diver with it at that depth, so that should be at least a start.  If thats ok, i plan to take it out to 150m of water, which is quite a bit further out.  There is a boat here that is an old navy landing craft (fought in the Falklands war) and has been fitted with a hiab crane.  They use it for shipping stores to the smaller islands.  Im hoping to use that for the big test.  I have to just ask the bloke at the right moment...
 
James
 
 


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From JimToddPsub at aol.com  Mon Feb 10 17:56:49 2014
From: JimToddPsub at aol.com (JimToddPsub at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:56:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan
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I was trying to find some information on the  clarity/visibility in Seneca 
Lake.  Didn't find anything specific, but it's  spring-fed (among other 
sources) and has a year around temp of about 39 F except  for the top 10-15 feet 
which warms to 70-80 degrees in the summer.  Seems  that would make it a 
good location for cold-water testing even in the  summer.  You could also test 
how the thermocline affects communication and  sonar equipment.
Jim
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/10/2014 4:31:07 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
wreckdiver at frontiernet.net writes:

That's  Seneca Lake at Watkins Glen, NY about 30 mi from me.  Same lake We 
dove  Snoopy with Alex and I helped Dan H. do his dunk test at with 
Persistence.


Al Secor



 
  
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 From:  "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com>
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org  
Sent: Monday, February 10,  2014 12:59 PM
Subject: Re:  [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan



Web Maynard built his K-350 and  took Kittredge at his word. He dove it to 
test depth in 100 foot increments.  DOVE IT, mind you. As in, climbed aboard 
and went on down there himself. He  didn't see the problem. The hull was 
okay. He knew that from the start and  figured a guy with a flashlight and a 
handy crescent wrench was safer than  sending all that money down on the end 
of a string. Not everyone's cup of tea,  but it worked just fine. Web just 
shrugged when I raised an eyebrow. "What was  going to happen?" he asked. 
"Piddly little leaks, maybe. Nothing more." And he  didn't even have those. The 
little K just went about its business, pretty as  you please. He did that 
up in the Finger Lakes in New York, one of which has a  500 foot plus hole 
somewhere. Quite a guy, old Web. You gotta love him for  sheer balls. He was a 
professional fire fighter. Plenty of nerve to go around,  those folks.  
Vance


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To: personal_submersibles  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014  11:02 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep test plan


 
Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling under the heading  
Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the historians to track this down in a  
hundred years. 
Vance
 
James,
What is your plan for your deep test?
Hank 
 
AHA! new subject title!
 
Plan for the deep test is to take it out to sea and sink it down.   I'll 
rig up some sort of lift bag arrangement to bring it up.  Ive got  60m of 
water fairly close in, plus i can have a diver with it at that depth,  so that 
should be at least a start.  If thats ok, i plan to take it out  to 150m of 
water, which is quite a bit further out.  There is a boat here  that is an 
old navy landing craft (fought in the Falklands war) and has been  fitted with 
a hiab crane.  They use it for shipping stores to the smaller  islands.  Im 
hoping to use that for the big test.  I have to just  ask the bloke at the 
right moment...
 
James
 
 



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From freepetesub at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 18:24:15 2014
From: freepetesub at yahoo.com (Pete Niedermayr)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:24:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Here's link to some Great White mod vids

 https://www.youtube.com/user/mx5man2005/feed?activity_view=3
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On Mon, 2/10/14, vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
 To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
 Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 8:53 AM
 
 I stand
 corrected.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original
 Message-----
 
 From: Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
 
 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
 <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 
 Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am
 
 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 vance,
 
 we've just done "Am I a dork" &
 "tampon filters"
 
 we will be confusing a lot of people.
 
 Alan
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 
 
 On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling
 under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the
 historians to track this down in a hundred years.
 
 Vance
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original
 Message-----
 
 
 From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
 
 
 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 
 
 Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
 
 
 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 James,
 
 
 
 What is your?plan for your deep
 test?
 
 
 
 Hank?
 
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
   On , hank pronk
 <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
 wrote:
 
 
   
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 James,
  
 
 
 
 I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to
 a soft float like an inner tube even.? Not a bad
 idea!? 
 
 
 
 Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to
 pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
 
 
 
 Hank
 
 
 
  
  
  
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   On Monday,
 February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
 wrote:
   
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Ive just
  pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking
 mechanism and just reading this article on Great White,
 he?used a much better idea.? Ratchet straps.?
 This would have been a lot easier!? see pic.
 
 
 
 
 
 ?
 
 
 
 
 Kind Regards
 
 
 
 
 James
 
 
 
 
 ?
 
 
 
 
 ?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ?
 
 
 
 
 On 8 February 2014
 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks Jim, 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Somehow
 I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit
 chat!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Joe
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Saturday, February 8,
 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Joe,
 
 
 
 
 ?
 
 
 
 
 If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and
 scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots
 of the interior, but there is no description of the
 materials used.
 
 
 
 
 
 ?
 
 
 
 
 Here's another video before its latest
 makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
 
 
 
 
 ?
 
 
 
 
 Jim
 
 
 
 
 ?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central
 Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
 
 
 
 
 
 Jim,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One
 can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over
 the ribs.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I'd like to know what those are as they give the
 interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent
 mounting surface.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Joe
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Here's another article showing the external mods to
 Great White.? It doesn't look much like a K-250
 anymore.? There's a photo gallery about 70% of the
 way down.? -Jim
 
 
 
 
 http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Mon Feb 10 13:36:22 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:36:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cold weather effect on ports
In-Reply-To: <1WCvdM-4OSRQe0@fwd14.t-online.de>
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Carsten,
Thank you, I am in the right place for cold water :-)
Hank



On Monday, February 10, 2014 11:31:33 AM, "MerlinSub at t-online.de" <MerlinSub at t-online.de> wrote:
  
E-Mail Software 6.0
Hi?Hank,
?
the limit 
according to GL is -18 celius degree 
- a temp seawater can not 
reach.?

The max temp to GL is 66
degree.

In?general 
colder is better for the pressure resistant of the windows 
(acryl).?

vbr Carsten
? 

"hank pronk" <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> schrieb: 
Is there an adverse effect from cold temperatures on ports.?
I hear about cold weather dives in the North Sea etc.
>When is
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 22:33:59 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 19:33:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Best views so far Pete, thanks!

Note the LCD screens mounted over the front port, neat as a pin!

Joe





On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:26 PM, Pete Niedermayr <freepetesub at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Here's link to some Great White mod vids

https://www.youtube.com/user/mx5man2005/feed?activity_view=3
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On Mon, 2/10/14, vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 8:53 AM

I stand
corrected.






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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>

Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am

Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods










vance,

we've just done "Am I a dork" &
"tampon filters"

we will be confusing a lot of people.

Alan



Sent from my iPad



On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com
wrote:





Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling
under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the
historians to track this down in a hundred years.

Vance










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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>


Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am


Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods

















James,



What is your?plan for your deep
test?



Hank?



? 


? 


? 

? 

? 

?  On , hank pronk
<hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
wrote:


? 

? 









James,
? 



I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to
a soft float like an inner tube even.? Not a bad
idea!? 



Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to
pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.



Hank



? 
? 
? 

? 

? 



?  On Monday,
February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
wrote:
? 

? 







Ive just
? pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking
mechanism and just reading this article on Great White,
he?used a much better idea.? Ratchet straps.?
This would have been a lot easier!? see pic.





?




Kind Regards




James




?




?






?




On 8 February 2014
19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:












Thanks Jim, 











Somehow
I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit
chat!











Joe






















On Saturday, February 8,
2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:















Joe,




?




If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/?and
scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots
of the interior, but there is no description of the
materials used.





?




Here's another video before its latest
makeover:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8




?




Jim




?







In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central
Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:





Jim,










There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One
can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over
the ribs.










I'd like to know what those are as they give the
interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent
mounting surface.










Joe








On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:










Here's another article showing the external mods to
Great White.? It doesn't look much like a K-250
anymore.? There's a photo gallery about 70% of the
way down.? -Jim




http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/








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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 23:00:02 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:00:02 -0600
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Joe,
I'm at the UI convention in New Orleans & there is a session entitled
Re-Purposing of a K250 P-sub into the research tool of the Undersea
Voyager Project. Unfortunately it clashes with 2 other sessions I'm
interested in, however I believe they are videoing the sessions & they
will be available to attendants who pay for them. Scott might want
to make the session video available to people. I'll keep you posted when 
I get it anyway.
Alan

Sent from my iPad

> On 10/02/2014, at 9:33 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Best views so far Pete, thanks!
> 
> Note the LCD screens mounted over the front port, neat as a pin!
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:26 PM, Pete Niedermayr <freepetesub at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here's link to some Great White mod vids
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/user/mx5man2005/feed?activity_view=3
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 2/10/14, vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 8:53 AM
> 
> I stand
> corrected.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original
> Message-----
> 
> From: Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
> 
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> 
> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am
> 
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> vance,
> 
> we've just done "Am I a dork" &
> "tampon filters"
> 
> we will be confusing a lot of people.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling
> under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the
> historians to track this down in a hundred years.
> 
> Vance
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original
> Message-----
> 
> 
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> 
> 
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> 
> 
> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> James,
> 
> 
> 
> What is your plan for your deep
> test?
> 
> 
> 
> Hank 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   On , hank pronk
> <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> James,
>   
> 
> 
> 
> I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to
> a soft float like an inner tube even.  Not a bad
> idea!  
> 
> 
> 
> Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to
> pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
> 
> 
> 
> Hank
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>   On Monday,
> February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
> wrote:
>   
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ive just
>   pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking
> mechanism and just reading this article on Great White,
> he used a much better idea.  Ratchet straps. 
> This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> 
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 February 2014
> 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Jim, 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Somehow
> I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit
> chat!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, February 8,
> 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe,
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and
> scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots
> of the interior, but there is no description of the
> materials used.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here's another video before its latest
> makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central
> Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jim,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One
> can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over
> the ribs.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I'd like to know what those are as they give the
> interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent
> mounting surface.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here's another article showing the external mods to
> Great White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250
> anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70% of the
> way down.  -Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 11 01:13:40 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 01:13:40 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Hi Alan,

Globe trotting again I see! :)

Looking forward to the interesting tidbits you can gleam from your trip. 

Joe

On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Joe,
> I'm at the UI convention in New Orleans & there is a session entitled
> Re-Purposing of a K250 P-sub into the research tool of the Undersea
> Voyager Project. Unfortunately it clashes with 2 other sessions I'm
> interested in, however I believe they are videoing the sessions & they
> will be available to attendants who pay for them. Scott might want
> to make the session video available to people. I'll keep you posted when 
> I get it anyway.
> Alan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 10/02/2014, at 9:33 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Best views so far Pete, thanks!
>> 
>> Note the LCD screens mounted over the front port, neat as a pin!
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:26 PM, Pete Niedermayr <freepetesub at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Here's link to some Great White mod vids
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/user/mx5man2005/feed?activity_view=3
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Mon, 2/10/14, vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>> Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 8:53 AM
>> 
>> I stand
>> corrected.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original
>> Message-----
>> 
>> From: Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
>> 
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> 
>> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> vance,
>> 
>> we've just done "Am I a dork" &
>> "tampon filters"
>> 
>> we will be confusing a lot of people.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling
>> under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the
>> historians to track this down in a hundred years.
>> 
>> Vance
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original
>> Message-----
>> 
>> 
>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>> 
>> 
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> 
>> 
>> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
>> 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> James,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What is your plan for your deep
>> test?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hank 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   On , hank pronk
>> <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> James,
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to
>> a soft float like an inner tube even.  Not a bad
>> idea!  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to
>> pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hank
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   
>>   
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   On Monday,
>> February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
>> wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ive just
>>   pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking
>> mechanism and just reading this article on Great White,
>> he used a much better idea.  Ratchet straps. 
>> This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> James
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 February 2014
>> 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks Jim, 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Somehow
>> I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit
>> chat!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, February 8,
>> 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and
>> scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots
>> of the interior, but there is no description of the
>> materials used.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Here's another video before its latest
>> makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central
>> Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One
>> can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over
>> the ribs.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'd like to know what those are as they give the
>> interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent
>> mounting surface.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Here's another article showing the external mods to
>> Great White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250
>> anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70% of the
>> way down.  -Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jonw at psubs.org  Tue Feb 11 13:37:16 2014
From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:37:16 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] water/pressure proof wire
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Brian, have you looked at SUBCONN, www.subconn.com


On 2/8/2014 2:29 AM, brian wrote:
>  If I run a pair of 14 gage wire to the front of my sub ( a distance 
> of about 15 feet) what is the preferred method of running outside 
> wire?  Is there off the shelf underwater wire now ?   I remember the 
> oil filled method with vinyl tubing but I assume there may be a newer 
> method.
>
>
> Brian
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Tue Feb 11 13:51:07 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:51:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] throttle
Message-ID: <1392144667.55547.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Vance,
I am thinking about putting a motor throttle on the dive plane handle.? Right now the throttle is operated with the left hand as well as steering and motor direction.? That makes for a pretty busy left hand while the right hand simply operates the dive plane.? What do you think?
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Tue Feb 11 15:40:40 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:40:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] throttle
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Hank,
I'd think on or very near the rudder control, given a choice. The prop and rudder operated together outside, so I guess that's the way I think about it inside, too.

Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:51 pm
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] throttle



Vance,
I am thinking about putting a motor throttle on the dive plane handle.  Right now the throttle is operated with the left hand as well as steering and motor direction.  That makes for a pretty busy left hand while the right hand simply operates the dive plane.  What do you think?
Hank


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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Tue Feb 11 23:34:10 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (brian)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 04:34:10 GMT
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] water/pressure proof wire
Message-ID: <201402112034738.SM09940@[66.162.33.185]>

Oh, good , thanks Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: "Jon Wallace" <jonw at psubs.org>
Sent 2/11/2014 10:37:16 AM
To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] water/pressure proof wire
Brian, have you looked at SUBCONN, www.subconn.com
On 2/8/2014 2:29 AM, brian wrote:?If I run a pair of 14
gage wire to the front of my sub ( a
distance of about 15 feet) what is the preferred method of
running
outside wire?? Is there off the shelf underwater wire now ??? I
remember
the oil filled method with vinyl tubing but I assume there may
be a
newer method.
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 12 00:05:52 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 23:05:52 -0600
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Hi Joe,
yep, didn't think about this trip till about 9 days before I left.
Been thoroughly enjoying it. We had Alvin's 50th Birthday party tonight, & I managed to
corner a G.L. certifier for a few hours as well as yack with the team from Curacao, 
Phil's operations manager Jeff Heaton, Will Kohnen, the Spanish team building the ictineu 3
& a chemist from Blanson who is doing a session on view ports.
Well worth the trip, hope nobodies jealous.
Alan



Sent from my iPad

> On 11/02/2014, at 12:13 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> Globe trotting again I see! :)
> 
> Looking forward to the interesting tidbits you can gleam from your trip. 
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Joe,
>> I'm at the UI convention in New Orleans & there is a session entitled
>> Re-Purposing of a K250 P-sub into the research tool of the Undersea
>> Voyager Project. Unfortunately it clashes with 2 other sessions I'm
>> interested in, however I believe they are videoing the sessions & they
>> will be available to attendants who pay for them. Scott might want
>> to make the session video available to people. I'll keep you posted when 
>> I get it anyway.
>> Alan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 10/02/2014, at 9:33 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Best views so far Pete, thanks!
>>> 
>>> Note the LCD screens mounted over the front port, neat as a pin!
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:26 PM, Pete Niedermayr <freepetesub at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Here's link to some Great White mod vids
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/mx5man2005/feed?activity_view=3
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Mon, 2/10/14, vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>> Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 8:53 AM
>>> 
>>> I stand
>>> corrected.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original
>>> Message-----
>>> 
>>> From: Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
>>> 
>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> vance,
>>> 
>>> we've just done "Am I a dork" &
>>> "tampon filters"
>>> 
>>> we will be confusing a lot of people.
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling
>>> under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the
>>> historians to track this down in a hundred years.
>>> 
>>> Vance
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original
>>> Message-----
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> James,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What is your plan for your deep
>>> test?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hank 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   On , hank pronk
>>> <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> James,
>>>   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to
>>> a soft float like an inner tube even.  Not a bad
>>> idea!  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to
>>> pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   On Monday,
>>> February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ive just
>>>   pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking
>>> mechanism and just reading this article on Great White,
>>> he used a much better idea.  Ratchet straps. 
>>> This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> James
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8 February 2014
>>> 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks Jim, 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Somehow
>>> I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit
>>> chat!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, February 8,
>>> 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and
>>> scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots
>>> of the interior, but there is no description of the
>>> materials used.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here's another video before its latest
>>> makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central
>>> Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One
>>> can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over
>>> the ribs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'd like to know what those are as they give the
>>> interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent
>>> mounting surface.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here's another article showing the external mods to
>>> Great White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250
>>> anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70% of the
>>> way down.  -Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From jonw at psubs.org  Wed Feb 12 10:59:09 2014
From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:59:09 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Color me green, wish I was there.


On 2/12/2014 12:05 AM, Alan wrote:
> Hi Joe,
> yep, didn't think about this trip till about 9 days before I left.
> Been thoroughly enjoying it. We had Alvin's 50th Birthday party 
> tonight, & I managed to
> corner a G.L. certifier for a few hours as well as yack with the team 
> from Curacao,
> Phil's operations manager Jeff Heaton, Will Kohnen, the Spanish team 
> building the ictineu 3
> & a chemist from Blanson who is doing a session on view ports.
> Well worth the trip, hope nobodies jealous.
> Alan
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:08:09 -0500 (EST)
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Ditto.
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 11:00 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods


          
    

      Color me green, wish I was there.
      
      
      On 2/12/2014 12:05 AM, Alan wrote:
    
    
            
Hi Joe,
      
yep, didn't think about this trip till about 9 days before I        left.
      
Been thoroughly enjoying it. We had Alvin's 50th Birthday        party tonight, & I managed to
      
corner a G.L. certifier for a few hours as well as yack with        the team from Curacao, 
      
Phil's operations manager Jeff Heaton, Will Kohnen, the        Spanish team building the ictineu 3
      
& a chemist from Blanson who is doing a session on view        ports.
      
Well worth the trip, hope nobodies jealous.
      
Alan
      

      
      
    
    
  

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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 12 13:02:56 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:02:56 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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I'm wondering did Alvin get a tattoo or earring for his 50th!?

Joe

On Feb 12, 2014, at 12:05 AM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> yep, didn't think about this trip till about 9 days before I left.
> Been thoroughly enjoying it. We had Alvin's 50th Birthday party tonight, & I managed to
> corner a G.L. certifier for a few hours as well as yack with the team from Curacao, 
> Phil's operations manager Jeff Heaton, Will Kohnen, the Spanish team building the ictineu 3
> & a chemist from Blanson who is doing a session on view ports.
> Well worth the trip, hope nobodies jealous.
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 11/02/2014, at 12:13 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> Globe trotting again I see! :)
>> 
>> Looking forward to the interesting tidbits you can gleam from your trip. 
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Joe,
>>> I'm at the UI convention in New Orleans & there is a session entitled
>>> Re-Purposing of a K250 P-sub into the research tool of the Undersea
>>> Voyager Project. Unfortunately it clashes with 2 other sessions I'm
>>> interested in, however I believe they are videoing the sessions & they
>>> will be available to attendants who pay for them. Scott might want
>>> to make the session video available to people. I'll keep you posted when 
>>> I get it anyway.
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 10/02/2014, at 9:33 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Best views so far Pete, thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Note the LCD screens mounted over the front port, neat as a pin!
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:26 PM, Pete Niedermayr <freepetesub at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Here's link to some Great White mod vids
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/mx5man2005/feed?activity_view=3
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Mon, 2/10/14, vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>> Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 8:53 AM
>>>> 
>>>> I stand
>>>> corrected.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> -----Original
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>>>> 
>>>> From: Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
>>>> 
>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>> 
>>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> vance,
>>>> 
>>>> we've just done "Am I a dork" &
>>>> "tampon filters"
>>>> 
>>>> we will be confusing a lot of people.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling
>>>> under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the
>>>> historians to track this down in a hundred years.
>>>> 
>>>> Vance
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
>>>> 
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>>>> James,
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>>>> What is your plan for your deep
>>>> test?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hank 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>>   
>>>> 
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>>>>   On , hank pronk
>>>> <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
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>>>> James,
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>>>> 
>>>> I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to
>>>> a soft float like an inner tube even.  Not a bad
>>>> idea!  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to
>>>> pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hank
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   On Monday,
>>>> February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ive just
>>>>   pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking
>>>> mechanism and just reading this article on Great White,
>>>> he used a much better idea.  Ratchet straps. 
>>>> This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>  
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>>>> 
>>>> Kind Regards
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> James
>>>> 
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>>>> On 8 February 2014
>>>> 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Jim, 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> Somehow
>>>> I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit
>>>> chat!
>>>> 
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>>>> Joe
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>>>> On Saturday, February 8,
>>>> 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Joe,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and
>>>> scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots
>>>> of the interior, but there is no description of the
>>>> materials used.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Here's another video before its latest
>>>> makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central
>>>> Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jim,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One
>>>> can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over
>>>> the ribs.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to know what those are as they give the
>>>> interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent
>>>> mounting surface.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Here's another article showing the external mods to
>>>> Great White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250
>>>> anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70% of the
>>>> way down.  -Jim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Wed Feb 12 13:17:22 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:17:22 -0500 (EST)
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New balls. (Pressure hull & trim tanks).
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods



I'm wondering did Alvin get a tattoo or earring for his 50th!?


Joe

On Feb 12, 2014, at 12:05 AM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:



Hi Joe,
yep, didn't think about this trip till about 9 days before I left.
Been thoroughly enjoying it. We had Alvin's 50th Birthday party tonight, & I managed to
corner a G.L. certifier for a few hours as well as yack with the team from Curacao, 
Phil's operations manager Jeff Heaton, Will Kohnen, the Spanish team building the ictineu 3
& a chemist from Blanson who is doing a session on view ports.
Well worth the trip, hope nobodies jealous.
Alan




Sent from my iPad

On 11/02/2014, at 12:13 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:



Hi Alan,


Globe trotting again I see! :)


Looking forward to the interesting tidbits you can gleam from your trip. 

Joe

On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:



Joe,
I'm at the UI convention in New Orleans & there is a session entitled
Re-Purposing of a K250 P-sub into the research tool of the Undersea
Voyager Project. Unfortunately it clashes with 2 other sessions I'm
interested in, however I believe they are videoing the sessions & they
will be available to attendants who pay for them. Scott might want
to make the session video available to people. I'll keep you posted when 
I get it anyway.
Alan

Sent from my iPad

On 10/02/2014, at 9:33 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:



Best views so far Pete, thanks!

Note the LCD screens mounted over the front port, neat as a pin!

Joe


 
 
 
 
 
  On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:26 PM, Pete Niedermayr <freepetesub at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
  
Here's link to some Great White mod vids

 https://www.youtube.com/user/mx5man2005/feed?activity_view=3
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 2/10/14, vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
 To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
 Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 8:53 AM
 
 I stand
 corrected.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original
 Message-----
 
 From: Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
 
 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
 <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 
 Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am
 
 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 vance,
 
 we've just done "Am I a dork" &
 "tampon filters"
 
 we will be confusing a lot of people.
 
 Alan
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 
 
 On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling
 under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the
 historians to track this down in a hundred years.
 
 Vance
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original
 Message-----
 
 
 From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
 
 
 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 
 
 Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
 
 
 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 James,
 
 
 
 What is your plan for your deep
 test?
 
 
 
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 James,
  
 
 
 
 I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to
 a soft float like an inner tube even.  Not a bad
 idea!  
 
 
 
 Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to
 pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
 
 
 
 Hank
 
 
 
  
  
  
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   On Monday,
 February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
 wrote:
   
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Ive just
  pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking
 mechanism and just reading this article on Great White,
 he used a much better idea.  Ratchet straps. 
 This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 Kind Regards
 
 
 
 
 James
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 On 8 February 2014
 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks Jim, 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Somehow
 I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit
 chat!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Joe
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Saturday, February 8,
 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Joe,
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and
 scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots
 of the interior, but there is no description of the
 materials used.
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 Here's another video before its latest
 makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 Jim
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central
 Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
 
 
 
 
 
 Jim,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One
 can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over
 the ribs.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I'd like to know what those are as they give the
 interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent
 mounting surface.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Joe
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Here's another article showing the external mods to
 Great White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250
 anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70% of the
 way down.  -Jim
 
 
 
 
 http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From: seaquestor at gmail.com (David Colombo)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 22:24:27 -0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Alan, Enjoy the show, wish I was there. I'm interested in the videos of the
sessions if they are doing them.


Best Regards,
David Colombo

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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:17 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

> New balls. (Pressure hull & trim tanks).
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 1:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>
>  I'm wondering did Alvin get a tattoo or earring for his 50th!?
>
>  Joe
>
> On Feb 12, 2014, at 12:05 AM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Hi Joe,
> yep, didn't think about this trip till about 9 days before I left.
> Been thoroughly enjoying it. We had Alvin's 50th Birthday party tonight, &
> I managed to
> corner a G.L. certifier for a few hours as well as yack with the team from
> Curacao,
> Phil's operations manager Jeff Heaton, Will Kohnen, the Spanish team
> building the ictineu 3
> & a chemist from Blanson who is doing a session on view ports.
> Well worth the trip, hope nobodies jealous.
> Alan
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 11/02/2014, at 12:13 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Hi Alan,
>
>  Globe trotting again I see! :)
>
>  Looking forward to the interesting tidbits you can gleam from your trip.
>
> Joe
>
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Joe,
> I'm at the UI convention in New Orleans & there is a session entitled
> Re-Purposing of a K250 P-sub into the research tool of the Undersea
> Voyager Project. Unfortunately it clashes with 2 other sessions I'm
> interested in, however I believe they are videoing the sessions & they
> will be available to attendants who pay for them. Scott might want
> to make the session video available to people. I'll keep you posted when
> I get it anyway.
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 10/02/2014, at 9:33 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Best views so far Pete, thanks!
>
> Note the LCD screens mounted over the front port, neat as a pin!
>
> Joe
>
>
>   On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:26 PM, Pete Niedermayr <
> freepetesub at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Here's link to some Great White mod vids
>
> https://www.youtube.com/user/mx5man2005/feed?activity_view=3
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 2/10/14, vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 8:53 AM
>
> I stand
> corrected.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original
> Message-----
>
> From: Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am
>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> vance,
>
> we've just done "Am I a dork" &
> "tampon filters"
>
> we will be confusing a lot of people.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling
> under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the
> historians to track this down in a hundred years.
>
> Vance
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original
> Message-----
>
>
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>
>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>
>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
>
>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> James,
>
>
>
> What is your plan for your deep
> test?
>
>
>
> Hank
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   On , hank pronk
> <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> James,
>
>
>
>
> I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to
> a soft float like an inner tube even.  Not a bad
> idea!
>
>
>
> Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to
> pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
>
>
>
> Hank
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   On Monday,
> February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <
> jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ive just
>   pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking
> mechanism and just reading this article on Great White,
> he used a much better idea.  Ratchet straps.
> This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8 February 2014
> 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Jim,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Somehow
> I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit
> chat!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 8,
> 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and
> scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots
> of the interior, but there is no description of the
> materials used.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's another video before its latest
> makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central
> Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One
> can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over
> the ribs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'd like to know what those are as they give the
> interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent
> mounting surface.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's another article showing the external mods to
> Great White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250
> anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70% of the
> way down.  -Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 13 19:12:29 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:12:29 -0600
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Hi David, hope Hawaii is going well.
Have emailed you a couple of times over the months off site. Am picking
I am going in the spam bucket. 
Had a great time in New Orleans, well worth the trip.
There is a download that I paid for, which will contain presentations from the meetings,
but I am told it is just the information that went up on the screens. When I get it I
will let you know. I also bought two DVDs covering the last couple of years of presentations.
Am flying out through L.A. Sunday. The cheapest flight back to N.Z. was via Tahiti, 
so have 5 days there & hopefully will do a bit of diving.
Alan


Sent from my iPad

> On 13/02/2014, at 12:24 am, David Colombo <seaquestor at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Alan, Enjoy the show, wish I was there. I'm interested in the videos of the sessions if they are doing them.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> David Colombo
> 
> 804 College Ave
> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404
> (707) 536-1424
> www.SeaQuestor.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:17 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>> New balls. (Pressure hull & trim tanks).
>> Vance
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 1:03 pm
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>> 
>> I'm wondering did Alvin get a tattoo or earring for his 50th!?
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2014, at 12:05 AM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Joe,
>>> yep, didn't think about this trip till about 9 days before I left.
>>> Been thoroughly enjoying it. We had Alvin's 50th Birthday party tonight, & I managed to
>>> corner a G.L. certifier for a few hours as well as yack with the team from Curacao, 
>>> Phil's operations manager Jeff Heaton, Will Kohnen, the Spanish team building the ictineu 3
>>> & a chemist from Blanson who is doing a session on view ports.
>>> Well worth the trip, hope nobodies jealous.
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 11/02/2014, at 12:13 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Alan,
>>>> 
>>>> Globe trotting again I see! :)
>>>> 
>>>> Looking forward to the interesting tidbits you can gleam from your trip. 
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Joe,
>>>>> I'm at the UI convention in New Orleans & there is a session entitled
>>>>> Re-Purposing of a K250 P-sub into the research tool of the Undersea
>>>>> Voyager Project. Unfortunately it clashes with 2 other sessions I'm
>>>>> interested in, however I believe they are videoing the sessions & they
>>>>> will be available to attendants who pay for them. Scott might want
>>>>> to make the session video available to people. I'll keep you posted when 
>>>>> I get it anyway.
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/02/2014, at 9:33 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best views so far Pete, thanks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Note the LCD screens mounted over the front port, neat as a pin!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:26 PM, Pete Niedermayr <freepetesub at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Here's link to some Great White mod vids
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/mx5man2005/feed?activity_view=3
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>> On Mon, 2/10/14, vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>>>>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>> Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 8:53 AM
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I stand
>>>>>> corrected.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original
>>>>>> Message-----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> vance,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> we've just done "Am I a dork" &
>>>>>> "tampon filters"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> we will be confusing a lot of people.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling
>>>>>> under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the
>>>>>> historians to track this down in a hundred years.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Vance
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original
>>>>>> Message-----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> James,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is your plan for your deep
>>>>>> test?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hank 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   On , hank pronk
>>>>>> <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to
>>>>>> a soft float like an inner tube even.  Not a bad
>>>>>> idea!  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to
>>>>>> pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hank
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   On Monday,
>>>>>> February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ive just
>>>>>>   pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking
>>>>>> mechanism and just reading this article on Great White,
>>>>>> he used a much better idea.  Ratchet straps. 
>>>>>> This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> James
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8 February 2014
>>>>>> 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Jim, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Somehow
>>>>>> I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit
>>>>>> chat!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Saturday, February 8,
>>>>>> 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and
>>>>>> scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots
>>>>>> of the interior, but there is no description of the
>>>>>> materials used.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here's another video before its latest
>>>>>> makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central
>>>>>> Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One
>>>>>> can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over
>>>>>> the ribs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'd like to know what those are as they give the
>>>>>> interior a smother neater appearance and an apparent
>>>>>> mounting surface.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:21 PM, JimToddPsub at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here's another article showing the external mods to
>>>>>> Great White.  It doesn't look much like a K-250
>>>>>> anymore.  There's a photo gallery about 70% of the
>>>>>> way down.  -Jim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://californiadiver.com/undersea-voyager-project-completes-final-submarine-test-dives/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 14 03:05:46 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 03:05:46 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
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Tahiti!

Of course, it had to be! :(

Have fun for me too.

Joe 

On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:12 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi David, hope Hawaii is going well.
> Have emailed you a couple of times over the months off site. Am picking
> I am going in the spam bucket. 
> Had a great time in New Orleans, well worth the trip.
> There is a download that I paid for, which will contain presentations from the meetings,
> but I am told it is just the information that went up on the screens. When I get it I
> will let you know. I also bought two DVDs covering the last couple of years of presentations.
> Am flying out through L.A. Sunday. The cheapest flight back to N.Z. was via Tahiti, 
> so have 5 days there & hopefully will do a bit of diving.
> Alan
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 13/02/2014, at 12:24 am, David Colombo <seaquestor at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Alan, Enjoy the show, wish I was there. I'm interested in the videos of the sessions if they are doing them.
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> David Colombo
>> 
>> 804 College Ave
>> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404
>> (707) 536-1424
>> www.SeaQuestor.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:17 AM,  <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>> New balls. (Pressure hull & trim tanks).
>>> Vance
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 1:03 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering did Alvin get a tattoo or earring for his 50th!?
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2014, at 12:05 AM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>> yep, didn't think about this trip till about 9 days before I left.
>>>> Been thoroughly enjoying it. We had Alvin's 50th Birthday party tonight, & I managed to
>>>> corner a G.L. certifier for a few hours as well as yack with the team from Curacao, 
>>>> Phil's operations manager Jeff Heaton, Will Kohnen, the Spanish team building the ictineu 3
>>>> & a chemist from Blanson who is doing a session on view ports.
>>>> Well worth the trip, hope nobodies jealous.
>>>> Alan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/02/2014, at 12:13 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Alan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Globe trotting again I see! :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Looking forward to the interesting tidbits you can gleam from your trip. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>> I'm at the UI convention in New Orleans & there is a session entitled
>>>>>> Re-Purposing of a K250 P-sub into the research tool of the Undersea
>>>>>> Voyager Project. Unfortunately it clashes with 2 other sessions I'm
>>>>>> interested in, however I believe they are videoing the sessions & they
>>>>>> will be available to attendants who pay for them. Scott might want
>>>>>> to make the session video available to people. I'll keep you posted when 
>>>>>> I get it anyway.
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/02/2014, at 9:33 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best views so far Pete, thanks!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Note the LCD screens mounted over the front port, neat as a pin!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:26 PM, Pete Niedermayr <freepetesub at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's link to some Great White mod vids
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/mx5man2005/feed?activity_view=3
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> On Mon, 2/10/14, vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>>>>>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 8:53 AM
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I stand
>>>>>>> corrected.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original
>>>>>>> Message-----
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> vance,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> we've just done "Am I a dork" &
>>>>>>> "tampon filters"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> we will be confusing a lot of people.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 10/02/2014, at 8:18 am, vbra676539 at aol.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Speaking of prattling, you guys are still prattling
>>>>>>> under the heading Great White Mods. Gonna be hard for the
>>>>>>> historians to track this down in a hundred years.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Vance
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original
>>>>>>> Message-----
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20 am
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Great White mods
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What is your plan for your deep
>>>>>>> test?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hank 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   On , hank pronk
>>>>>>> <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think the cable is 240lbs so I could tie it to
>>>>>>> a soft float like an inner tube even.  Not a bad
>>>>>>> idea!  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Your hatch closure should work fine, I like to
>>>>>>> pull a vacuum also to hold the hatch tight.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hank
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   On Monday,
>>>>>>> February 10, 2014 4:20:32 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ive just
>>>>>>>   pratted about all weekend making a ludicrous hatch locking
>>>>>>> mechanism and just reading this article on Great White,
>>>>>>> he used a much better idea.  Ratchet straps. 
>>>>>>> This would have been a lot easier!  see pic.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8 February 2014
>>>>>>> 19:17, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks Jim, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Somehow
>>>>>>> I get the feeling this fellow Scott is too busy for chit
>>>>>>> chat!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 8,
>>>>>>> 2014 2:07 PM, "JimToddPsub at aol.com" <JimToddPsub at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you got to http://www.underseavoyagerproject.org/ and
>>>>>>> scroll down to the Mission Video you'll see some shots
>>>>>>> of the interior, but there is no description of the
>>>>>>> materials used.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here's another video before its latest
>>>>>>> makeover:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGT8rPZs8
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In a message dated 2/8/2014 10:26:39 A.M. Central
>>>>>>> Standard Time, josephperkel at yahoo.com writes:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There is a photo somewhere of that subs interior. One
>>>>>>> can clearly see longitudinal slats mounted inside and over
>>>>>>> the ribs.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 15 19:18:31 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:18:31 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
Message-ID: <A8541954-F36F-4047-AE8A-1165D8E45D7E@yahoo.com>


How much trouble is it to form acrylic in two directions? As in following a complex hull form to make an integral window.

In other words a transparent section of MBT with a bidirectional curve.

Joe



From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Sat Feb 15 19:25:02 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:25:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
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Joe,
How thick is the material and how complex is the curve.
Hank



On Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:18:58 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
  

How much trouble is it to form acrylic in two directions? As in following a complex hull form to make an integral window.

In other words a transparent section of MBT with a bidirectional curve.

Joe


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From piolenc at archivale.com  Sat Feb 15 19:49:22 2014
From: piolenc at archivale.com (Marc de Piolenc)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 08:49:22 +0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
In-Reply-To: <A8541954-F36F-4047-AE8A-1165D8E45D7E@yahoo.com>
References: <A8541954-F36F-4047-AE8A-1165D8E45D7E@yahoo.com>
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It can't be too difficult. Compound-curved Plexiglas (British: Perspex) 
cockpit canopies have been made for decades, and the full-surround 
"bubble" cockpit of the Bell 47 helicopter dates to the late 1940s. The 
problems we run into with acrylic pressure hulls are caused by thickness 
and the consequent need to use casting technique instead of blowing, but 
that's not going to be a problem for you in making a transparent ballast 
tank shell.

Do you want me to dig into the aeronautical literature?

Marc de Piolenc
Aero-geek

On 2/16/2014 8:18 AM, Joe Perkel wrote:
>
> How much trouble is it to form acrylic in two directions? As in following a complex hull form to make an integral window.
>
> In other words a transparent section of MBT with a bidirectional curve.
>
> Joe
>
>
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 15 20:41:37 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:41:37 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
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References: <A8541954-F36F-4047-AE8A-1165D8E45D7E@yahoo.com>
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Marc,

Those canopies of course, are made by industry with industrial capital and support. I was thinking more of a homegrown method.  

Is it then possible to heat a flat sheet in a conventional oven to x degrees for x time, then form over a plug or mould, that kind of thing.

Hank,

Standard k MBT thickness no bigger than say Gamma's window.

For the curve complexity, no more than to keep lines fair and or tangent transitions.

Joe


On Feb 15, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com> wrote:

> It can't be too difficult. Compound-curved Plexiglas (British: Perspex) cockpit canopies have been made for decades, and the full-surround "bubble" cockpit of the Bell 47 helicopter dates to the late 1940s. The problems we run into with acrylic pressure hulls are caused by thickness and the consequent need to use casting technique instead of blowing, but that's not going to be a problem for you in making a transparent ballast tank shell.
> 
> Do you want me to dig into the aeronautical literature?
> 
> Marc de Piolenc
> Aero-geek
> 
> On 2/16/2014 8:18 AM, Joe Perkel wrote:
>> 
>> How much trouble is it to form acrylic in two directions? As in following a complex hull form to make an integral window.
>> 
>> In other words a transparent section of MBT with a bidirectional curve.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
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From mholt at ohiohills.com  Sat Feb 15 20:50:28 2014
From: mholt at ohiohills.com (Michael Holt)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:50:28 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
In-Reply-To: <4FC28550-E61A-481B-896C-D83B038680C7@yahoo.com>
References: <A8541954-F36F-4047-AE8A-1165D8E45D7E@yahoo.com>
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On 2/15/2014 8:41 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:
> Marc,
>
> Those canopies of course, are made by industry with industrial capital and support. I was thinking more of a homegrown method.
>
> Is it then possible to heat a flat sheet in a conventional oven to x degrees for x time, then form over a plug or mould, that kind of thing.
>
The Markham submarine had instructions for blowing a bubble canopy.   I 
don't have a digital copy of those pages of the instructions.  Someone 
else might have it ... I think someone sent me a copy a few years ago, 
but I can't find that right now.


M

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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Sat Feb 15 21:00:09 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:00:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
In-Reply-To: <53001964.2070903@ohiohills.com>
References: <A8541954-F36F-4047-AE8A-1165D8E45D7E@yahoo.com>
 <53000B12.1050703@archivale.com>
 <4FC28550-E61A-481B-896C-D83B038680C7@yahoo.com>
 <53001964.2070903@ohiohills.com>
Message-ID: <1392516009.9475.YahooMailNeo@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Joe,
My mbt outside windows are 1in thick.? I have no idea if they need to be that thick,? I would not hesitate to bend them to fit the curve.? I have not bent 1in but I have bent 1/2in and it was a breeze.? My rule, buy two pieces because I am sure to screw up the first? try.
Hank



On Saturday, February 15, 2014 6:50:56 PM, Michael Holt <mholt at ohiohills.com> wrote:
  
On 2/15/2014 8:41 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:
> Marc,
>
> Those canopies of course, are made by industry with industrial capital and support. I was thinking more of a homegrown method.
>
> Is it then possible to heat a flat sheet in a conventional oven to x degrees for x time, then form over a plug or mould, that kind of thing.
>
The Markham submarine had instructions for blowing a bubble canopy.?  I 
don't have a digital copy of those pages of the instructions.? Someone 
else might have it ... I think someone sent me a copy a few years ago, 
but I can't find that right now.


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From piolenc at archivale.com  Sat Feb 15 21:16:00 2014
From: piolenc at archivale.com (Marc de Piolenc)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 10:16:00 +0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
In-Reply-To: <4FC28550-E61A-481B-896C-D83B038680C7@yahoo.com>
References: <A8541954-F36F-4047-AE8A-1165D8E45D7E@yahoo.com>
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 <4FC28550-E61A-481B-896C-D83B038680C7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <53001F60.5060808@archivale.com>

Amateur airplane builders often "roll their own," if they're making a 
"one of" design or if they can't afford to buy a canopy from a kit 
supplier or a parts-and-materials house like Aircraft Spruce.

And you'd be surprised at the primitive nature of a lot of "industrial" 
production, as aircraft production runs are often too small to justify a 
large investment in permanent tooling. And of course the big 
manufacturers' prototype shops routinely use the same methods as amateur 
builders, as their production runs are typically one to five units.

If you want to amuse yourself, there are videos on YouTube about the 
beginnings of Bell's helicopter division under Arthur Young... but he 
only refers briefly to the Model 47 "bubble."

The simplest molding method for thermoplastics is so-called drape 
molding, where a "minus-t" male plug is made and placed under the 
plastic blank, and the plastic sheet gradually heated until it sags onto 
the plug, at which point the temperature is GRADUALLY reduced. Obviously 
this only works with shapes that allow the plug to be withdrawn after 
molding (though you can sometimes cheat by making the plug so it can be 
disassembled and withdrawn in parts). If you're willing to have a 
slightly less-than-perfect contour, the male plug can be an eggcrate 
structure instead of a solid plug. There will be ripples in the finished 
product of course, but in your application, with water on both sides of 
the MBT shell in the submerged condition and a close match of refractive 
indices between the acrylic and water, that might not be a problem. 
Here, besides the plug, the only equipment required is an insulated 
plywood box and an air heater.

A more complicated process is vacuum molding, which is popular for small 
parts but gets awkward in the larger sizes because the size of the 
required vacuum reservoir grows with the part size.

After that comes blowing, and that's something that some amateur 
builders have managed that I for one would rather not try. But I suspect 
that your application can made do with drape molding.

Best,
Marc

On 2/16/2014 9:41 AM, Joe Perkel wrote:
> Marc,
>
> Those canopies of course, are made by industry with industrial capital and support. I was thinking more of a homegrown method.
>
> Is it then possible to heat a flat sheet in a conventional oven to x degrees for x time, then form over a plug or mould, that kind of thing.
>
> Hank,
>
> Standard k MBT thickness no bigger than say Gamma's window.
>
> For the curve complexity, no more than to keep lines fair and or tangent transitions.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com> wrote:
>
>> It can't be too difficult. Compound-curved Plexiglas (British: Perspex) cockpit canopies have been made for decades, and the full-surround "bubble" cockpit of the Bell 47 helicopter dates to the late 1940s. The problems we run into with acrylic pressure hulls are caused by thickness and the consequent need to use casting technique instead of blowing, but that's not going to be a problem for you in making a transparent ballast tank shell.
>>
>> Do you want me to dig into the aeronautical literature?
>>
>> Marc de Piolenc
>> Aero-geek
>>
>> On 2/16/2014 8:18 AM, Joe Perkel wrote:
>>>
>>> How much trouble is it to form acrylic in two directions? As in following a complex hull form to make an integral window.
>>>
>>> In other words a transparent section of MBT with a bidirectional curve.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
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From piolenc at archivale.com  Sat Feb 15 21:17:05 2014
From: piolenc at archivale.com (Marc de Piolenc)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 10:17:05 +0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
In-Reply-To: <53001964.2070903@ohiohills.com>
References: <A8541954-F36F-4047-AE8A-1165D8E45D7E@yahoo.com>
 <53000B12.1050703@archivale.com>
 <4FC28550-E61A-481B-896C-D83B038680C7@yahoo.com>
 <53001964.2070903@ohiohills.com>
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Yowza! That is extremely valuable information. If you should happen to 
find it, would you post it where the rest of us can get our mitts on it?

Best,
Marc

On 2/16/2014 9:50 AM, Michael Holt wrote:
> On 2/15/2014 8:41 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:
>> Marc,
>>
>> Those canopies of course, are made by industry with industrial capital
>> and support. I was thinking more of a homegrown method.
>>
>> Is it then possible to heat a flat sheet in a conventional oven to x
>> degrees for x time, then form over a plug or mould, that kind of thing.
>>
> The Markham submarine had instructions for blowing a bubble canopy.   I
> don't have a digital copy of those pages of the instructions.  Someone
> else might have it ... I think someone sent me a copy a few years ago,
> but I can't find that right now.
>
>
> M
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From alecsmyth at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 22:48:09 2014
From: alecsmyth at gmail.com (Alec Smyth)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 22:48:09 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
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Gents, the only problem about using acrylic for the MBT is that it shatters
on impact. And there are *always* impacts against rocks, the surface
support vessel, docks, trailers, etc. Not that there isn't great value in
making things like fairings from acrylic, but personally I'd stay from it
for the MBTs except as framed windows.


Best,

Alec


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com>wrote:

> Yowza! That is extremely valuable information. If you should happen to
> find it, would you post it where the rest of us can get our mitts on it?
>
> Best,
> Marc
>
>
> On 2/16/2014 9:50 AM, Michael Holt wrote:
>
>> On 2/15/2014 8:41 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:
>>
>>> Marc,
>>>
>>> Those canopies of course, are made by industry with industrial capital
>>> and support. I was thinking more of a homegrown method.
>>>
>>> Is it then possible to heat a flat sheet in a conventional oven to x
>>> degrees for x time, then form over a plug or mould, that kind of thing.
>>>
>>>  The Markham submarine had instructions for blowing a bubble canopy.   I
>> don't have a digital copy of those pages of the instructions.  Someone
>> else might have it ... I think someone sent me a copy a few years ago,
>> but I can't find that right now.
>>
>>
>> M
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From mholt at ohiohills.com  Sat Feb 15 22:58:51 2014
From: mholt at ohiohills.com (Michael Holt)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 22:58:51 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
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On 2/15/2014 9:17 PM, Marc de Piolenc wrote:
> Yowza! That is extremely valuable information. If you should happen to 
> find it, would you post it where the rest of us can get our mitts on it?
It's 17.9 megs.  Does anyone have a place to keep it?


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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 15 22:39:27 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:39:27 -0600
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
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Hi Joe,
I'm not quite following you, but here are some suggestions.
you can cut out an oval section from a sheet of ply wood or similar & use it as 
the template to blow the acrylic. Or blow it in to a female form. However
contouring it to the sub shape & having it bubble out from there seems difficult.
   The only way I could imagine you doing it would be to tip your sub on it's side,
heat the acrylic sheet & drape it over the sub. Then trim it to shape & weld brackets 
to the sub to clamp it & a female mold on. Then heat the acrylic & quickly bolt it & 
the mold to the submarine. You could blow compressed air in to it through a through hull.
Experimenting with a scale model would help.
Hope that makes sense. Of course Greg is our resident expert.
Alan
Sent from my iPad

> On 15/02/2014, at 6:18 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:ex
> 
> 
> How much trouble is it to form acrylic in two directions? As in following a complex hull form to make an integral window.
> 
> In other words a transparent section of MBT with a bidirectional curve.
> 
> Joe
> 
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From piolenc at archivale.com  Sun Feb 16 00:44:17 2014
From: piolenc at archivale.com (Marc de Piolenc)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:44:17 +0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
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Sure. Best place is in the cloud. Open a Dropbox folder and "invite" 
interested list members to it. Or just use the Public folder and save 
yourself the trouble. I would be happy to use my existing Public Dropbox 
folder for the purpose. I'd simply post a link to the list, so neither 
the list nor psubs is encumbered, but any interested party can get it.

Marc
BTW, you don't have to install the Dropbox software to use somebody 
else's Dropbox folder, which is why I used that service.

On 2/16/2014 11:58 AM, Michael Holt wrote:
> On 2/15/2014 9:17 PM, Marc de Piolenc wrote:
>> Yowza! That is extremely valuable information. If you should happen to
>> find it, would you post it where the rest of us can get our mitts on it?
> It's 17.9 megs.  Does anyone have a place to keep it?
>
>
> M
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From piolenc at archivale.com  Sun Feb 16 00:47:04 2014
From: piolenc at archivale.com (Marc de Piolenc)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:47:04 +0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
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 <4FC28550-E61A-481B-896C-D83B038680C7@yahoo.com>
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Hmmm. If it were that brittle I would expect trouble in aeronautical 
uses. Might be a not-properly-annealed-after-forming problem.

Besides, how difficult would it be to provide a buffer that doesn't 
block too much of the view? That would take care of dock and support 
vessel bumps, and it seems to me that reasonably competent handling 
should obviate contact with rocks on the bottom?

Marc

On 2/16/2014 11:48 AM, Alec Smyth wrote:
> Gents, the only problem about using acrylic for the MBT is that it
> shatters on impact. And there are _always_ impacts against rocks, the
> surface support vessel, docks, trailers, etc. Not that there isn't great
> value in making things like fairings from acrylic, but personally I'd
> stay from it for the MBTs except as framed windows.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Alec
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com
> <mailto:piolenc at archivale.com>> wrote:
>
>     Yowza! That is extremely valuable information. If you should happen
>     to find it, would you post it where the rest of us can get our mitts
>     on it?
>
>     Best,
>     Marc
>
>
>     On 2/16/2014 9:50 AM, Michael Holt wrote:
>
>         On 2/15/2014 8:41 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:
>
>             Marc,
>
>             Those canopies of course, are made by industry with
>             industrial capital
>             and support. I was thinking more of a homegrown method.
>
>             Is it then possible to heat a flat sheet in a conventional
>             oven to x
>             degrees for x time, then form over a plug or mould, that
>             kind of thing.
>
>         The Markham submarine had instructions for blowing a bubble
>         canopy.   I
>         don't have a digital copy of those pages of the instructions.
>           Someone
>         else might have it ... I think someone sent me a copy a few
>         years ago,
>         but I can't find that right now.
>
>
>         M
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb 16 08:25:16 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 05:25:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
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I have to agree with Alec, it is rare to take a sub out without needing touch up paint.? I also think a sub should not have a front mbt.? The MBT's should be on top and on the sides.? The sides is best because of surface stability to enter the sub, unless it is barge or ship launched.? Emile nailed it.
Hank



On Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:47:23 PM, Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com> wrote:
  
Hmmm. If it were that brittle I would expect trouble in aeronautical 
uses. Might be a not-properly-annealed-after-forming problem.

Besides, how difficult would it be to provide a buffer that doesn't 
block too much of the view? That would take care of dock and support 
vessel bumps, and it seems to me that reasonably competent handling 
should obviate contact with rocks on the bottom?

Marc

On 2/16/2014 11:48 AM, Alec Smyth wrote:
> Gents, the only problem about using acrylic for the MBT is that it
> shatters on impact. And there are _always_ impacts against rocks, the
> surface support vessel, docks, trailers, etc. Not that there isn't great
> value in making things like fairings from acrylic, but personally I'd
> stay from it for the MBTs except as framed windows.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Alec
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com
> <mailto:piolenc at archivale.com>> wrote:
>
>? ?  Yowza! That is extremely valuable information. If you should happen
>? ?  to find it, would you post it where the rest of us can get our mitts
>? ?  on it?
>
>? ?  Best,
>? ?  Marc
>
>
>? ?  On 2/16/2014 9:50 AM, Michael Holt wrote:
>
>? ? ? ?  On 2/15/2014 8:41 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:
>
>? ? ? ? ? ?  Marc,
>
>? ? ? ? ? ?  Those canopies of course, are made by industry with
>? ? ? ? ? ?  industrial capital
>? ? ? ? ? ?  and support. I was thinking more of a homegrown method.
>
>? ? ? ? ? ?  Is it then possible to heat a flat sheet in a conventional
>? ? ? ? ? ?  oven to x
>? ? ? ? ? ?  degrees for x time, then form over a plug or mould, that
>? ? ? ? ? ?  kind of thing.
>
>? ? ? ?  The Markham submarine had instructions for blowing a bubble
>? ? ? ?  canopy.?  I
>? ? ? ?  don't have a digital copy of those pages of the instructions.
>? ? ? ? ?  Someone
>? ? ? ?  else might have it ... I think someone sent me a copy a few
>? ? ? ?  years ago,
>? ? ? ?  but I can't find that right now.
>
>
>? ? ? ?  M
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 16 09:00:16 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:00:16 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
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Hi Alan,

I figured you to be distracted by Polynesian dancers by now! :)

Small window ala Nekton, but located in a spot where the shape curves in two directions. A flat slab like the Nektons would detract from the lines unless made too small to be practical.

The whole thought process here, is to expound on James Frankland's forward MBT by fully enclosing for the purpose of reducing tow drag.

Joe



On Feb 15, 2014, at 10:39 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> I'm not quite following you, but here are some suggestions.
> you can cut out an oval section from a sheet of ply wood or similar & use it as 
> the template to blow the acrylic. Or blow it in to a female form. However
> contouring it to the sub shape & having it bubble out from there seems difficult.
>   The only way I could imagine you doing it would be to tip your sub on it's side,
> heat the acrylic sheet & drape it over the sub. Then trim it to shape & weld brackets 
> to the sub to clamp it & a female mold on. Then heat the acrylic & quickly bolt it & 
> the mold to the submarine. You could blow compressed air in to it through a through hull.
> Experimenting with a scale model would help.
> Hope that makes sense. Of course Greg is our resident expert.
> Alan
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 15/02/2014, at 6:18 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:ex
>> 
>> 
>> How much trouble is it to form acrylic in two directions? As in following a complex hull form to make an integral window.
>> 
>> In other words a transparent section of MBT with a bidirectional curve.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb 16 11:19:38 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 08:19:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
Message-ID: <1392567578.45793.YahooMailNeo@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Sun Feb 16 11:45:03 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:45:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure. 
Vance



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Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
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I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
Hank


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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb 16 11:55:45 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 08:55:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Vance,
Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.? I am starting to hate winter ;-( 
Hank



On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure.? 
Vance



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Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
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I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done. 
Hank    
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From JimToddPsub at aol.com  Sun Feb 16 12:06:40 2014
From: JimToddPsub at aol.com (JimToddPsub at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 12:06:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Hank, best wishes on your first dive in Gamma.  Wish I  could be there to 
hold a line for you, pass out hand warmers,  etc. We're all eager to hear how 
it goes and see the pictures.
 
Cheers,
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 2/16/2014 10:56:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca writes:

 
Vance,
Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about  the 
roads.  I am starting to hate winter ;-( 
Hank



 
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM,  "vbra676539 at aol.com" 
<vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:


 
Good luck, mate. She'll do well,  I'm sure.   
Vance


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I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a  test dive.  
I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my  barge.  Gamma 
is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the  propulsion, and dive to 
safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for  batteries at the moment, so I have 
four batteries removed from my commercial  truck sitting on the floor of 
Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with  480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It 
will be crowded inside :-) .  I  am carrying the scrubber inside the truck 
to keep it warm.  It may be  snowing out there, but that adds to the 
adventure.  I also replaced the  mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to 
drop her to 1,000 feet  first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt 
windows to handle unknown  conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in 
place until I get  the deep test done.
Hank





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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 16 12:08:28 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 12:08:28 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Hank,

May I suggest a subtropical climate with the only coral reefs in North America to explore! There's a house down the street for sale!

Best if luck!

Joe


On Feb 16, 2014, at 11:55 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Vance,
> Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.  I am starting to hate winter ;-(
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
> Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure. 
> Vance
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
> 
> I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb 16 12:13:16 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:13:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Thanks' Jim,
Joe, hmmmm not a bad idea, 
Hank



On Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:08:56 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Hank,

May I suggest a subtropical climate with the only coral reefs in North America to explore! There's a house down the street for sale!

Best if luck!

Joe



On Feb 16, 2014, at 11:55 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:


Vance,
>Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.? I am starting to hate winter ;-( 
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure.? 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done. 
>Hank    
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Sun Feb 16 12:31:16 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 12:31:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Understand. I won't tell you what my day is like (although I'm writing this out on the porch in a tee-shirt). Must go and cut the grass. Damn, I hate winter. Oh wait, we don't have one. Not a real one, anyway. What's the weatherman say about you guys. Clear skies, snow on the ground, roads clear...I hope.
Vance



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Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:56 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive



Vance,
Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.  I am starting to hate winter ;-( 
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure. 
Vance



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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive




I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
Hank



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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb 16 12:43:11 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:43:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Vance, 
Thanks' for the weather up date in Florida,,grrrr.haha.?? You may be warmer but I will be going for a sub ride,? now who is better off,lol.? I would rather be subbing in crystal clear water with mittens on than mowing the grass hehe.
Hank



On Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:31:36 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
Understand. I won't tell you what my day is like (although I'm writing this out on the porch in a tee-shirt). Must go and cut the grass. Damn, I hate winter. Oh wait, we don't have one. Not a real one, anyway. What's the weatherman say about you guys. Clear skies, snow on the ground, roads clear...I hope. 
Vance



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Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:56 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive


Vance, 
Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.? I am starting to hate winter ;-(  
Hank 



On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure.?  
Vance



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Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive


I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done. 
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Sun Feb 16 13:36:10 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:36:10 -0500 (EST)
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You and me both on that last. Definitely.



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Vance, 
Thanks' for the weather up date in Florida,,grrrr.haha.   You may be warmer but I will be going for a sub ride,  now who is better off,lol.  I would rather be subbing in crystal clear water with mittens on than mowing the grass hehe.
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:31:36 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Understand. I won't tell you what my day is like (although I'm writing this out on the porch in a tee-shirt). Must go and cut the grass. Damn, I hate winter. Oh wait, we don't have one. Not a real one, anyway. What's the weatherman say about you guys. Clear skies, snow on the ground, roads clear...I hope.
Vance



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Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:56 am
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Vance,
Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.  I am starting to hate winter ;-( 
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure. 
Vance



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Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
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I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
Hank



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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 16 14:16:52 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:16:52 -0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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All the best Hank. 
Err on the side of caution.
Are you taking anyone with you?
Alan

Sent from my iPad

> On 16/02/2014, at 9:08 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Hank,
> 
> May I suggest a subtropical climate with the only coral reefs in North America to explore! There's a house down the street for sale!
> 
> Best if luck!
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 11:55 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Vance,
>> Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.  I am starting to hate winter ;-(
>> Hank
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>> Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure. 
>> Vance
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>> 
>> I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
>> Hank
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 16 15:00:54 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 12:00:54 -0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
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Hi Joe,
that sounds a lot easier.
I cooked some cast acrylic that was just over an inch thick & was surprised
how tough it was to bend. A bit like the bendiness of an eraser. When a local
firm blew a dome for me, they had to get another clamping ring made because
the original one looked like it would break under pressure. This mightn't be the
case with acrylics other than cast. I don't know. What I'm getting to is that you will need to
clamp it in place some how. I don't know how you intend to mount it, but if you 
are bolting it on this is how I would do it...... I would put glad wrap over the area
of the ballast tank where the acrylic was going, & coat it with an inch of plaster
of paris, then when dry build it up with more plaster of paris so you have a strong
p.o.p. shape the same as the ballast tank contour. Maybe cut the p.o.p. to size
or mark around the p.o.p. with a felt pen on the ballast tank for positioning.
Heat & drape the acrylic over the area & position the p.o.p. over it, with a sheet of
felt between. Weight the p.o.p. with a sand bag to disperse weight & add more weight 
on top of that.
If that doesn't quite do it, after that process you could drill holes through the acrylic
& ballast tank & reheat the acrylic & clamp it with bolts & a retaining ring.
Not quite in Tahiti yet. Most people did there big OE in there 20s. I 've had to wait
till my 50s.
Alan



Sent from my iPad

> On 16/02/2014, at 6:00 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> I figured you to be distracted by Polynesian dancers by now! :)
> 
> Small window ala Nekton, but located in a spot where the shape curves in two directions. A flat slab like the Nektons would detract from the lines unless made too small to be practical.
> 
> The whole thought process here, is to expound on James Frankland's forward MBT by fully enclosing for the purpose of reducing tow drag.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2014, at 10:39 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Joe,
>> I'm not quite following you, but here are some suggestions.
>> you can cut out an oval section from a sheet of ply wood or similar & use it as 
>> the template to blow the acrylic. Or blow it in to a female form. However
>> contouring it to the sub shape & having it bubble out from there seems difficult.
>>  The only way I could imagine you doing it would be to tip your sub on it's side,
>> heat the acrylic sheet & drape it over the sub. Then trim it to shape & weld brackets 
>> to the sub to clamp it & a female mold on. Then heat the acrylic & quickly bolt it & 
>> the mold to the submarine. You could blow compressed air in to it through a through hull.
>> Experimenting with a scale model would help.
>> Hope that makes sense. Of course Greg is our resident expert.
>> Alan
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 15/02/2014, at 6:18 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:ex
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How much trouble is it to form acrylic in two directions? As in following a complex hull form to make an integral window.
>>> 
>>> In other words a transparent section of MBT with a bidirectional curve.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> 
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb 16 15:13:01 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 12:13:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Thanks' Alan,
Your a fine one to talk, mr test a sub alone.?:-)? yes a friend is coming along.? I have a 120 foot tether with com line, we are tying that to the dock.? When I tested my orange sub, I almost pulled my friend into the water.? It is his idea to tie the line to the dock lol.??
Hank????



On Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:18:46 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
All the best Hank.?
Err on the side of caution.
Are you taking anyone with you?
Alan

Sent from my iPad

On 16/02/2014, at 9:08 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:


Hank,

May I suggest a subtropical climate with the only coral reefs in North America to explore! There's a house down the street for sale!

Best if luck!

Joe



On Feb 16, 2014, at 11:55 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:


Vance,
>Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.? I am starting to hate winter ;-( 
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure.? 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done. 
>Hank    
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 16 15:32:08 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 12:32:08 -0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Laughed out loud when I read that Hank.
Yep I'm the worst culprit.
Alan

Sent from my iPad

> On 16/02/2014, at 12:13 pm, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
> Thanks' Alan,
> Your a fine one to talk, mr test a sub alone. :-)  yes a friend is coming along.  I have a 120 foot tether with com line, we are tying that to the dock.  When I tested my orange sub, I almost pulled my friend into the water.  It is his idea to tie the line to the dock lol.  
> Hank    
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:18:46 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
> All the best Hank. 
> Err on the side of caution.
> Are you taking anyone with you?
> Alan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16/02/2014, at 9:08 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
> 
> Hank,
> 
> May I suggest a subtropical climate with the only coral reefs in North America to explore! There's a house down the street for sale!
> 
> Best if luck!
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 11:55 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Vance,
>> Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.  I am starting to hate winter ;-(
>> Hank
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>> Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure. 
>> Vance
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>> 
>> I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
>> Hank
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Sun Feb 16 15:36:40 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:36:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Just tie it to something stout. Back in the day, Perry built a tethered sub called Opsub for Ocean Systems with a 2000' tether and a diesel generator for power. They were testing the sub right behind the shop in Riviera Beach. Power was 4 X 10hp Franklin AC motors, which put out a bunch, and I mean a bunch of thrust. Enough to drag the generator right off into the water, in fact, which must have been mighty exciting there for a minute. Not your problem with Gamma's new motor, but still...something to keep in mind. The Opsub thing happened before my time, but the guys who taught me were there, and they didn't take that stuff lightly. You gotta laugh.
Vance



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From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 3:13 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive



Thanks' Alan,
Your a fine one to talk, mr test a sub alone. :-)  yes a friend is coming along.  I have a 120 foot tether with com line, we are tying that to the dock.  When I tested my orange sub, I almost pulled my friend into the water.  It is his idea to tie the line to the dock lol.  
Hank    
 
 
 
 
 
  On Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:18:46 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
  

All the best Hank. 
Err on the side of caution.
Are you taking anyone with you?
Alan

Sent from my iPad


On 16/02/2014, at 9:08 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:






Hank,


May I suggest a subtropical climate with the only coral reefs in North America to explore! There's a house down the street for sale!


Best if luck!


Joe



On Feb 16, 2014, at 11:55 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:




Vance,
Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.  I am starting to hate winter ;-( 
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure. 
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive




I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
Hank



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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 16 15:40:26 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:40:26 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Non developable surfaces
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Thanks Alan, that's the kind of idea recipe I wanted.

Enjoy the rest of your trip.

Joe

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On Feb 16, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> that sounds a lot easier.
> I cooked some cast acrylic that was just over an inch thick & was surprised
> how tough it was to bend. A bit like the bendiness of an eraser. When a local
> firm blew a dome for me, they had to get another clamping ring made because
> the original one looked like it would break under pressure. This mightn't be the
> case with acrylics other than cast. I don't know. What I'm getting to is that you will need to
> clamp it in place some how. I don't know how you intend to mount it, but if you 
> are bolting it on this is how I would do it...... I would put glad wrap over the area
> of the ballast tank where the acrylic was going, & coat it with an inch of plaster
> of paris, then when dry build it up with more plaster of paris so you have a strong
> p.o.p. shape the same as the ballast tank contour. Maybe cut the p.o.p. to size
> or mark around the p.o.p. with a felt pen on the ballast tank for positioning.
> Heat & drape the acrylic over the area & position the p.o.p. over it, with a sheet of
> felt between. Weight the p.o.p. with a sand bag to disperse weight & add more weight 
> on top of that.
> If that doesn't quite do it, after that process you could drill holes through the acrylic
> & ballast tank & reheat the acrylic & clamp it with bolts & a retaining ring.
> Not quite in Tahiti yet. Most people did there big OE in there 20s. I 've had to wait
> till my 50s.
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16/02/2014, at 6:00 am, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> I figured you to be distracted by Polynesian dancers by now! :)
>> 
>> Small window ala Nekton, but located in a spot where the shape curves in two directions. A flat slab like the Nektons would detract from the lines unless made too small to be practical.
>> 
>> The whole thought process here, is to expound on James Frankland's forward MBT by fully enclosing for the purpose of reducing tow drag.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2014, at 10:39 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Joe,
>>> I'm not quite following you, but here are some suggestions.
>>> you can cut out an oval section from a sheet of ply wood or similar & use it as 
>>> the template to blow the acrylic. Or blow it in to a female form. However
>>> contouring it to the sub shape & having it bubble out from there seems difficult.
>>> The only way I could imagine you doing it would be to tip your sub on it's side,
>>> heat the acrylic sheet & drape it over the sub. Then trim it to shape & weld brackets 
>>> to the sub to clamp it & a female mold on. Then heat the acrylic & quickly bolt it & 
>>> the mold to the submarine. You could blow compressed air in to it through a through hull.
>>> Experimenting with a scale model would help.
>>> Hope that makes sense. Of course Greg is our resident expert.
>>> Alan
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On 15/02/2014, at 6:18 pm, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:ex
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> How much trouble is it to form acrylic in two directions? As in following a complex hull form to make an integral window.
>>>> 
>>>> In other words a transparent section of MBT with a bidirectional curve.
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 16 17:46:59 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:46:59 -0500
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Hank,

No Margaritaville up there in the great white north! That's where we parrot heads go after cutting the grass! :)

Joe

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On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:43 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Vance,
> Thanks' for the weather up date in Florida,,grrrr.haha.   You may be warmer but I will be going for a sub ride,  now who is better off,lol.  I would rather be subbing in crystal clear water with mittens on than mowing the grass hehe.
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:31:36 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
> Understand. I won't tell you what my day is like (although I'm writing this out on the porch in a tee-shirt). Must go and cut the grass. Damn, I hate winter. Oh wait, we don't have one. Not a real one, anyway. What's the weatherman say about you guys. Clear skies, snow on the ground, roads clear...I hope.
> Vance
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:56 am
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
> 
> Vance,
> Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.  I am starting to hate winter ;-(
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
> Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure. 
> Vance
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
> 
> I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
> Hank
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb 16 17:53:31 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:53:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Joe,
Just checking house prices in Florida, hmmm nice winter home, close to water with dock.? Submarine friendly community.
Hank



On Sunday, February 16, 2014 3:46:59 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Hank,

No Margaritaville up there in the great white north! That's where we parrot heads go after cutting the grass! :)

Joe

Sent from my
iPhone

On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:43 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:


Vance, 
>Thanks' for the weather up date in Florida,,grrrr.haha.?? You may be warmer but I will be going for a sub ride,? now who is better off,lol.? I would rather be subbing in crystal clear water with mittens on than mowing the grass hehe.
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:31:36 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>Understand. I won't tell you what my day is like (although I'm writing this out on the porch in a tee-shirt). Must go and cut the grass. Damn, I hate winter. Oh wait, we don't have one. Not a real one, anyway. What's the weatherman say about you guys. Clear skies, snow on the ground, roads clear...I hope. 
>Vance
>
>
>
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>Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:56 am
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>Vance, 
>Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.? I am starting to hate winter ;-(  
>Hank 
>
>
>
>On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure.?  
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done. 
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From psub101 at indy.rr.com  Mon Feb 17 08:07:09 2014
From: psub101 at indy.rr.com (Steve McQueen)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:07:09 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Good Luck!


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>wrote:

> I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.
> I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma
> is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to
> safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I
> have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor
> of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of
> steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside
> the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to
> the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was
> intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of
> the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave
> the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
> Hank
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Mon Feb 17 10:37:45 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 07:37:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Thanks' Steve
I am back already, I am so Pissed!? Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer brakes quit.? After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is the truck.? I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed.?
Hank



On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
  
Good Luck!




On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
>Hank
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:28:24 -0500 (EST)
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Argh!!!
Vance



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Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:38 am
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Thanks' Steve
I am back already, I am so Pissed!  Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer brakes quit.  After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is the truck.  I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed. 
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
  
  

Good Luck!




On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:



I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Mon Feb 17 14:15:08 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:15:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Vance,
Agreed,  the dealer is installing a new thingamajig,  it will be ready in an hr.  I will try again Tomorrow.  This is why I should not have computer stuff in my sub, it is not dependable.  It is great when it works though.  
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Mon Feb 17 14:37:55 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:37:55 -0500 (EST)
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Yes, great when it works, but.....


Good luck tomorrow.


Vance



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Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive




Vance,
Agreed,  the dealer is installing a new thingamajig,  it will be ready in an hr.  I will try again Tomorrow.  This is why I should not have computer stuff in my sub, it is not dependable.  It is great when it works though.  
Hank


            
                
                    
                    
                        
                            
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Argh!!!
Vance



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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:38 am
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Thanks' Steve
I am back already, I am so Pissed!  Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer brakes quit.  After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is the truck.  I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed. 
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
  
  

Good Luck!




On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:



I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
Hank


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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb 19 08:13:59 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 05:13:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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unfortunately, we were not able to launch Gamma.? We drove out to Kootenay lake but missed the weather window.??The boat ramp is very long and super steep, witch is okay but it was to icy.? I could not risk having the whole works slide into the lake.? We drove an extra hour to the next launch and it was the same.? In all we checked four spots and they were either to icy or to shallow.? The trip was not a waste though, I know now that I need a launch cart.? A cart that can be winched up and ?down the ramp with the sub on it.? I plan to use my sub in the winter as much as in the summer, so I need an all season launch system.? With a cart, I can park at the top of the ramp where it is safe and let the sub down to the water with a cable.? Also I can launch into shallower water.?? Right now I need 6 feet of water to launch, with the cart I only need 4.5 feet.? 
Hank



On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:38:15 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
Yes, great when it works, but..... 
 
Good luck tomorrow. 
 
Vance



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To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive


Vance,
Agreed,  the dealer is installing a new thingamajig,  it will be ready in an hr.  I will try again Tomorrow.  This is why I should not have computer stuff in my sub, it is not dependable.  It is great when it works though. 
Hank   



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To:  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>; 
Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive 
Sent:  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 4:28:24 PM 
 

Argh!!!  
Vance



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Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive


Thanks' Steve 
I am back already, I am so Pissed!? Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer brakes quit.? After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is the truck.? I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed.? 
Hank 



On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
  
Good Luck!
 



On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.  
>Hank    
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Wed Feb 19 09:25:41 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:25:41 -0500 (EST)
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That's a great idea, Hank. I've been fretting about launching my K-350, which draws four feet or so. Florida ramps allow maybe that much depending on the tide, but often they are too short to allow more than three feet.


I watched the Great White vids and noticed that they have developed ramps that attach to the back of the trailer (like a pair of narrow motorcycle ramps) and that the sub has wheels mounted underneath. I was thinking about something like that, but might be better off building a very low profile shop cart that the sub could live on in the garage, and would double as a launch cart at the ramp.


Cool. I hadn't thought about two pieces to a launch, and I'm betting I can solve my problem the same way you are solving yours. Rotten luck you didn't get to play, but at least you've got some ideas working on how to solve the problem, and some experience hauling the sub around. Bet you got some interested looks on the highway!


Vance



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Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 8:14 am
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unfortunately, we were not able to launch Gamma.  We drove out to Kootenay lake but missed the weather window.  The boat ramp is very long and super steep, witch is okay but it was to icy.  I could not risk having the whole works slide into the lake.  We drove an extra hour to the next launch and it was the same.  In all we checked four spots and they were either to icy or to shallow.  The trip was not a waste though, I know now that I need a launch cart.  A cart that can be winched up and  down the ramp with the sub on it.  I plan to use my sub in the winter as much as in the summer, so I need an all season launch system.  With a cart, I can park at the top of the ramp where it is safe and let the sub down to the water with a cable.  Also I can launch into shallower water.   Right now I need 6 feet of water to launch, with the cart I only need 4.5 feet.  
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:38:15 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Yes, great when it works, but.....


Good luck tomorrow.


Vance



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To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive





Vance,
Agreed,  the dealer is installing a new thingamajig,  it will be ready in an hr.  I will try again Tomorrow.  This is why I should not have computer stuff in my sub, it is not dependable.  It is great when it works though.  
Hank


            
                
                    
                    
                        
                            
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Argh!!!
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive




Thanks' Steve
I am back already, I am so Pissed!  Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer brakes quit.  After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is the truck.  I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed. 
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
  
  

Good Luck!




On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:



I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
Hank


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From psub101 at indy.rr.com  Wed Feb 19 09:50:41 2014
From: psub101 at indy.rr.com (Steve McQueen)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:50:41 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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I am also considering permanent wheels.  The picture of The Great White on
the boat ramp that was posted seemed like a lot of functionality.

Steve


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

> That's a great idea, Hank. I've been fretting about launching my K-350,
> which draws four feet or so. Florida ramps allow maybe that much depending
> on the tide, but often they are too short to allow more than three feet.
>
>  I watched the Great White vids and noticed that they have developed
> ramps that attach to the back of the trailer (like a pair of narrow
> motorcycle ramps) and that the sub has wheels mounted underneath. I was
> thinking about something like that, but might be better off building a very
> low profile shop cart that the sub could live on in the garage, and would
> double as a launch cart at the ramp.
>
>  Cool. I hadn't thought about two pieces to a launch, and I'm betting I
> can solve my problem the same way you are solving yours. Rotten luck you
> didn't get to play, but at least you've got some ideas working on how to
> solve the problem, and some experience hauling the sub around. Bet you got
> some interested looks on the highway!
>
>  Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 8:14 am
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>   unfortunately, we were not able to launch Gamma.  We drove out to
> Kootenay lake but missed the weather window.  The boat ramp is very long
> and super steep, witch is okay but it was to icy.  I could not risk having
> the whole works slide into the lake.  We drove an extra hour to the next
> launch and it was the same.  In all we checked four spots and they were
> either to icy or to shallow.  The trip was not a waste though, I know now
> that I need a launch cart.  A cart that can be winched up and  down the
> ramp with the sub on it.  I plan to use my sub in the winter as much as in
> the summer, so I need an all season launch system.  With a cart, I can park
> at the top of the ramp where it is safe and let the sub down to the water
> with a cable.  Also I can launch into shallower water.   Right now I need 6
> feet of water to launch, with the cart I only need 4.5 feet.
> Hank
>
>
>   On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:38:15 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <
> vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>   Yes, great when it works, but.....
>
>  Good luck tomorrow.
>
>  Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>   Vance,
> Agreed, the dealer is installing a new thingamajig, it will be ready in an
> hr. I will try again Tomorrow. This is why I should not have computer stuff
> in my sub, it is not dependable. It is great when it works though.
> Hank
>
>   * From: * vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>;
> * To: * <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>;
> * Subject: * Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
> * Sent: * Mon, Feb 17, 2014 4:28:24 PM
>
> Argh!!!
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:38 am
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>   Thanks' Steve
> I am back already, I am so Pissed!  Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer
> brakes quit.  After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is
> the truck.  I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed.
> Hank
>
>
>   On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <
> psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>    Good Luck!
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>wrote:
>
>   I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test
> dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my
> barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion,
> and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the
> moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting
> on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap
> bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber
> inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that
> adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates,
> I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the
> condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I
> will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
>  Hank
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 10:14:54 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:14:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Hank,

The two piece cart idea is a winner. Vance is right, that would do nice double duty as a shop cart.
You sure do have a knack for problem solving!

Joe




On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:52 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
 
I am also considering permanent wheels.? The picture of The Great White on the boat ramp that was posted seemed like a lot of functionality.? 

Steve




On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

That's a great idea, Hank. I've been fretting about launching my K-350, which draws four feet or so. Florida ramps allow maybe that much depending on the tide, but often they are too short to allow more than three feet. 
>
>
>I watched the Great White vids and noticed that they have developed ramps that attach to the back of the trailer (like a pair of narrow motorcycle ramps) and that the sub has wheels mounted underneath. I was thinking about something like that, but might be better off building a very low profile shop cart that the sub could live on in the garage, and would double as a launch cart at the ramp.
>
>
>Cool. I hadn't thought about two pieces to a launch, and I'm betting I can solve my problem the same way you are solving yours. Rotten luck you didn't get to play, but at least you've got some ideas working on how to solve the problem, and some experience hauling the sub around. Bet you got some interested looks on the highway!
>
>
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>
>Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 8:14 am
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>unfortunately, we were not able to launch Gamma.? We drove out to Kootenay lake but missed the weather window.??The boat ramp is very long and super steep, witch is okay but it was to icy.? I could not risk having the whole works slide into the lake.? We drove an extra hour to the next launch and it was the same.? In all we checked four spots and they were either to icy or to shallow.? The trip was not a waste though, I know now that I need a launch cart.? A cart that can be winched up and ?down the ramp with the sub on it.? I plan to use my sub in the winter as much as in the summer, so I need an all season launch system.? With a cart, I can park at the top of the ramp where it is safe and let the sub down to the water with a cable.? Also I can launch into shallower water.?? Right now I need 6 feet of water to launch, with the cart I only need 4.5 feet.? 
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:38:15 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>Yes, great when it works, but.....  
>
>
>Good luck tomorrow.
>
>
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:19 pm
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>Vance,
>Agreed,  the dealer is installing a new thingamajig,  it will be ready in an hr.  I will try again Tomorrow.  This is why I should not have computer stuff in my sub, it is not dependable.  It is great when it works though. 
>Hank 
>
>
>From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>To:  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive 
>Sent:  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 4:28:24 PM 
>
>
>Argh!!!  
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:38 am
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>Thanks' Steve
>I am back already, I am so Pissed!? Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer brakes quit.? After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is the truck.? I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed.?
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>Good Luck!
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done. 
>>Hank
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From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:50:59 -0800 (PST)
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Thanks guys, it seems a good solution, and a shop cart is a huge bonus.? I have a storage area that I can roll the sub in when I need to fee up the shop.? Vance, yes we got some looks alright, it was fun watching people do an about face.? 
I also thought about permanent wheels on the sub.? They would need to be solid and small.? The problem with small wheels is, when we run out of concrete on the ramp and it turns to mud, well your done.? The other concern is entanglement.? I suppose if you built a chassis like the DW that drops off it would be fine.??I guess it is just a matter of where you are and the conditions you face.? ?I wish I could do permanent wheels.
Hank
I am adding a pic of the ramp so you guys can see why I am doing this.?



On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 8:15:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Hank,

The two piece cart idea is a winner. Vance is right, that would do nice double duty as a shop cart.
You sure do have a knack for problem solving!

Joe




On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:52 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
  
I am also considering permanent wheels.? The picture of The Great White on the boat ramp that was posted seemed like a lot of functionality.? 

Steve




On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

That's a great idea, Hank. I've been fretting about launching my K-350, which draws four feet or so. Florida ramps allow maybe that much depending on the tide, but often they are too short to allow more than three feet. 
>
> 
>I watched the Great White vids and noticed that they have developed ramps that attach to the back of the trailer (like a pair of narrow motorcycle ramps) and that the sub has wheels mounted underneath. I was thinking about something like that, but might be better off building a very low profile shop cart that the sub could live on in the garage, and would double as a launch cart at the ramp. 
>
> 
>Cool. I hadn't thought about two pieces to a launch, and I'm betting I can solve my problem the same way you are solving yours. Rotten luck you didn't get to play, but at least you've got some ideas working on how to solve the problem, and some experience hauling the sub around. Bet you got some interested looks on the highway! 
>
> 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>
>Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 8:14 am
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>unfortunately, we were not able to launch Gamma.? We drove out to Kootenay lake but missed the weather window.??The boat ramp is very long and super steep, witch is okay but it was to icy.? I could not risk having the whole works slide into the lake.? We drove an extra hour to the next launch and it was the same.? In all we checked four spots and they were either to icy or to shallow.? The trip was not a waste though, I know now that I need a launch cart.? A cart that can be winched up and ?down the ramp with the sub on it.? I plan to use my sub in the winter as much as in the summer, so I need an all season launch system.? With a cart, I can park at the top of the ramp where it is safe and let the sub down to the water with a cable.? Also I can launch into shallower water.?? Right now I need 6 feet of water to launch, with the cart I only need 4.5 feet.?  
>Hank 
>
>
>
>On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:38:15 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>Yes, great when it works, but.....  
>
> 
>Good luck tomorrow. 
>
> 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:19 pm
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>Vance,
>Agreed,  the dealer is installing a new thingamajig,  it will be ready in an hr.  I will try again Tomorrow.  This is why I should not have computer stuff in my sub, it is not dependable.  It is great when it works though. 
>Hank   
>
>
> From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>To:  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive 
>Sent:  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 4:28:24 PM 
> 
>
>Argh!!!  
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:38 am
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>Thanks' Steve 
>I am back already, I am so Pissed!? Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer brakes quit.? After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is the truck.? I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed.? 
>Hank 
>
>
>
>On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>  
>Good Luck!
> 
>
>
>
>On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.  
>>Hank    
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From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:27:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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I'm wondering what kind of bearings and/or lube they are using.
Vance



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Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 9:51 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive



I am also considering permanent wheels.  The picture of The Great White on the boat ramp that was posted seemed like a lot of functionality.  


Steve




On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM,  <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

That's a great idea, Hank. I've been fretting about launching my K-350, which draws four feet or so. Florida ramps allow maybe that much depending on the tide, but often they are too short to allow more than three feet.


I watched the Great White vids and noticed that they have developed ramps that attach to the back of the trailer (like a pair of narrow motorcycle ramps) and that the sub has wheels mounted underneath. I was thinking about something like that, but might be better off building a very low profile shop cart that the sub could live on in the garage, and would double as a launch cart at the ramp.


Cool. I hadn't thought about two pieces to a launch, and I'm betting I can solve my problem the same way you are solving yours. Rotten luck you didn't get to play, but at least you've got some ideas working on how to solve the problem, and some experience hauling the sub around. Bet you got some interested looks on the highway!


Vance



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Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 8:14 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive



unfortunately, we were not able to launch Gamma.  We drove out to Kootenay lake but missed the weather window.  The boat ramp is very long and super steep, witch is okay but it was to icy.  I could not risk having the whole works slide into the lake.  We drove an extra hour to the next launch and it was the same.  In all we checked four spots and they were either to icy or to shallow.  The trip was not a waste though, I know now that I need a launch cart.  A cart that can be winched up and  down the ramp with the sub on it.  I plan to use my sub in the winter as much as in the summer, so I need an all season launch system.  With a cart, I can park at the top of the ramp where it is safe and let the sub down to the water with a cable.  Also I can launch into shallower water.   Right now I need 6 feet of water to launch, with the cart I only need 4.5 feet.  
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:38:15 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
  

Yes, great when it works, but.....


Good luck tomorrow.


Vance



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Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:19 pm
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Vance,
Agreed,  the dealer is installing a new thingamajig,  it will be ready in an hr.  I will try again Tomorrow.  This is why I should not have computer stuff in my sub, it is not dependable.  It is great when it works though.  
Hank


            
                
                    
                    
                        
                            
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Argh!!!
Vance



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Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:38 am
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Thanks' Steve
I am back already, I am so Pissed!  Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer brakes quit.  After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is the truck.  I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed. 
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
  
  

Good Luck!




On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:



I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
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From landnsea1 at hawaiiantel.net  Wed Feb 19 12:04:34 2014
From: landnsea1 at hawaiiantel.net (Land N Sea)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:04:34 -1000
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greg Cottrell
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I am trying to contact Greg Cottrell off line and it keeps coming back to me. Does anyone know how to get ahold of him?

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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb 19 12:06:09 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:06:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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I am using mobile home trailer axel hubs and wheels.? I am going to pack the hubs completely full of grease and I will have a grease nipple on the bearing cover.? Those guys are probably using pins and bushings because the wheels are in water all the time.
Hank



On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:27:02 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
I'm wondering what kind of bearings and/or lube they are using. 
Vance



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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 9:51 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive


I am also considering permanent wheels.? The picture of The Great White on the boat ramp that was posted seemed like a lot of functionality.? 


Steve
 



On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

That's a great idea, Hank. I've been fretting about launching my K-350, which draws four feet or so. Florida ramps allow maybe that much depending on the tide, but often they are too short to allow more than three feet. 
>
> 
>I watched the Great White vids and noticed that they have developed ramps that attach to the back of the trailer (like a pair of narrow motorcycle ramps) and that the sub has wheels mounted underneath. I was thinking about something like that, but might be better off building a very low profile shop cart that the sub could live on in the garage, and would double as a launch cart at the ramp. 
>
> 
>Cool. I hadn't thought about two pieces to a launch, and I'm betting I can solve my problem the same way you are solving yours. Rotten luck you didn't get to play, but at least you've got some ideas working on how to solve the problem, and some experience hauling the sub around. Bet you got some interested looks on the highway! 
>
> 
>Vance
>
>
> 
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>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> 
>Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 8:14 am
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>unfortunately, we were not able to launch Gamma.? We drove out to Kootenay lake but missed the weather window.??The boat ramp is very long and super steep, witch is okay but it was to icy.? I could not risk having the whole works slide into the lake.? We drove an extra hour to the next launch and it was the same.? In all we checked four spots and they were either to icy or to shallow.? The trip was not a waste though, I know now that I need a launch cart.? A cart that can be winched up and ?down the ramp with the sub on it.? I plan to use my sub in the winter as much as in the summer, so I need an all season launch system.? With a cart, I can park at the top of the ramp where it is safe and let the sub down to the water with a cable.? Also I can launch into shallower water.?? Right now I need 6 feet of water to launch, with the cart I only need 4.5 feet.?  
>Hank 
>
>
>
>On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:38:15 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>Yes, great when it works, but.....  
>
> 
>Good luck tomorrow. 
>
> 
>Vance
>
>
>
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>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:19 pm
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>Vance,
>Agreed,  the dealer is installing a new thingamajig,  it will be ready in an hr.  I will try again Tomorrow.  This is why I should not have computer stuff in my sub, it is not dependable.  It is great when it works though. 
>Hank   
>
>
> From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>To:  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive 
>Sent:  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 4:28:24 PM 
> 
>
>Argh!!!  
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:38 am
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>Thanks' Steve 
>I am back already, I am so Pissed!? Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer brakes quit.? After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is the truck.? I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed.? 
>Hank 
>
>
>
>On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>  
>Good Luck!
> 
>
>
>
>On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.  
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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Wed Feb 19 12:08:32 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (brian)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:08:32 GMT
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Would it be possible to lower the entire trailer using a winch and cable from the truck?
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: "hank pronk" <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
Sent 2/19/2014 7:50:59 AM
To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first diveThanks guys, it seems a good solution, and a shop cart is a huge bonus.? I have a storage area that I can roll the sub in when I need to fee up the shop.? Vance, yes we got some looks alright, it was fun watching people do an about face.? I also thought about permanent wheels on the sub.? They would need to be solid and small.? The problem with small wheels is, when we run out of concrete on the ramp and it turns to mud, well your done.? The other concern is entanglement.? I suppose if you built a chassis like the DW that drops off it would be fine.??I guess it is just a matter of where you are and the conditions you face.? ?I wish I could do permanent
wheels.HankI am adding a pic of the ramp so you guys can see why I am doing this.? On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 8:15:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:Hank,
The two piece cart idea is a winner. Vance is right, that would do nice double duty
as a shop cart.
You sure do have a knack for problem solving!
Joe On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:52 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:I am also considering permanent wheels.? The picture of The Great White on the boat ramp
that was posted seemed like a lot of functionality.? 
SteveOn Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM,  <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:That's a great idea, Hank. I've been fretting about launching my K-350, which draws four feet or so. Florida ramps allow maybe that much depending on the tide, but often they are too short to allow more than three feet.I watched the Great White vids and noticed that they have developed ramps that attach to the back of the trailer (like a pair of narrow motorcycle ramps) and that the sub has wheels mounted underneath. I was thinking about something like that, but might be better off building a very low profile shop cart that the sub could live on in the garage, and would double as a launch cart at the ramp.Cool. I hadn't thought about two pieces to a launch, and I'm betting I can solve my problem the same way you are solving yours. Rotten luck you didn't get to play, but at least you've got some ideas working on how to solve the problem, and some experience hauling the sub around. Bet you got some interested looks on the highway!Vance-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 8:14 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first diveunfortunately, we were not able to launch Gamma.? We drove out to Kootenay lake but missed the weather window.??The boat ramp is very long and super steep, witch is okay but it was to icy.? I could not risk having the whole works slide into the lake.? We drove an extra hour to the next launch and it was the same.? In all we checked four spots and they were either to icy or to shallow.? The trip was not a waste though, I know now that I need a launch cart.? A cart that can be winched up and ?down the ramp with the sub on it.? I plan to use my sub in the winter as much as in the summer, so I need an all season launch system.? With a cart, I can park at the top of the ramp where it is safe and let the sub down to the water with a
cable.? Also I can launch into shallower water.?? Right now I need 6 feet of water to launch, with the cart I only need 4.5 feet.? Hank On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:38:15 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:Yes, great when it works, but.....Good luck tomorrow.Vance-----Original Message-----
From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first diveVance,
            Agreed,  the dealer is installing a new thingamajig,  it will be ready in an hr.  I will try again Tomorrow.  This is why I should not have computer stuff in my sub, it is not dependable.  It is great when it works though.  
            HankFrom:vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>;                            To:
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            Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first diveThanks' SteveI am back already, I am so Pissed!? Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer brakes quit.? After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is the truck.? I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed.?Hank On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <="rel="" shape="rect">psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:Good Luck!On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <="rel="" shape="rect">hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
            I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the
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From: alecsmyth at gmail.com (Alec Smyth)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:01:22 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greg Cottrell
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Hi Rick,

Were you trying this one? greg at precisionplastics.com


Best,

Alec


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Land N Sea <landnsea1 at hawaiiantel.net>wrote:

>   I am trying to contact Greg Cottrell off line and it keeps coming back
> to me. Does anyone know how to get ahold of him?
>
> Thanks
>
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb 19 14:04:26 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:04:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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H Brian,
For sure, I could lower the trailer with the sub, The benefit of the cart is I can reduce the height of the sub by 1.5 feet and that can save the day at some launches.?
Hank



On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:08:52 AM, brian <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com> wrote:
  
Would it be possible to lower the entire trailer using a winch and cable from the truck?

Brian

-----Original Message-----
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Sent 2/19/2014 7:50:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive


Thanks guys, it seems a good solution, and a shop cart is a huge bonus.? I have a storage area that I can roll the sub in when I need to fee up the shop.? Vance, yes we got some looks alright, it was fun watching people do an about face.?  
I also thought about permanent wheels on the sub.? They would need to be solid and small.? The problem with small wheels is, when we run out of concrete on the ramp and it turns to mud, well your done.? The other concern is entanglement.? I suppose if you built a chassis like the DW that drops off it would be fine.??I guess it is just a matter of where you are and the conditions you face.? ?I wish I could do permanent
wheels. 
Hank 
I am adding a pic of the ramp so you guys can see why I am doing this.? 



On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 8:15:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Hank,

The two piece cart idea is a winner. Vance is right, that would do nice double duty
as a shop cart.
You sure do have a knack for problem solving!

Joe




On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:52 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
  
I am also considering permanent wheels.? The picture of The Great White on the boat ramp
that was posted seemed like a lot of functionality.? 


Steve
 



On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

That's a great idea, Hank. I've been fretting about launching my K-350, which draws four feet or so. Florida ramps allow maybe that much depending on the tide, but often they are too short to allow more than three feet.  
>
> 
>I watched the Great White vids and noticed that they have developed ramps that attach to the back of the trailer (like a pair of narrow motorcycle ramps) and that the sub has wheels mounted underneath. I was thinking about something like that, but might be better off building a very low profile shop cart that the sub could live on in the garage, and would double as a launch cart at the ramp. 
>
> 
>Cool. I hadn't thought about two pieces to a launch, and I'm betting I can solve my problem the same way you are solving yours. Rotten luck you didn't get to play, but at least you've got some ideas working on how to solve the problem, and some experience hauling the sub around. Bet you got some interested looks on the highway!  
>
> 
>Vance
>
>
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> 
>Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 8:14 am
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>unfortunately, we were not able to launch Gamma.? We drove out to Kootenay lake but missed the weather window.??The boat ramp is very long and super steep, witch is okay but it was to icy.? I could not risk having the whole works slide into the lake.? We drove an extra hour to the next launch and it was the same.? In all we checked four spots and they were either to icy or to shallow.? The trip was not a waste though, I know now that I need a launch cart.? A cart that can be winched up and ?down the ramp with the sub on it.? I plan to use my sub in the winter as much as in the summer, so I need an all season launch system.? With a cart, I can park at the top of the ramp where it is safe and let the sub down to the water with a
cable.? Also I can launch into shallower water.?? Right now I need 6 feet of water to launch, with the cart I only need 4.5 feet.?  
>Hank 
>
>
>
>On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:38:15 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>Yes, great when it works, but.....  
>
> 
>Good luck tomorrow. 
>
> 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 2:19 pm
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>Vance,
>Agreed,  the dealer is installing a new thingamajig,  it will be ready in an hr.  I will try again Tomorrow.  This is why I should not have computer stuff in my sub, it is not dependable.  It is great when it works though. 
>Hank   
>
>
> From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>To:  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive 
>Sent:  Mon, Feb 17, 2014 4:28:24 PM 
> 
>
>Argh!!!  
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:38 am
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>
>
>Thanks' Steve 
>I am back already, I am so Pissed!? Just 20 miles into the trip my trailer brakes quit.? After spending 45min working on the problem we found it is the truck.? I am taking it to the dealer now to get it fixed.? 
>Hank 
>
>
>
>On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:07:09 AM, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>  
>Good Luck!
> 
>
>
>
>On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.  
>>Hank    
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Wed Feb 19 14:25:52 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:25:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greg Cottrell
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Alec,
Yup, that's the one I have.
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greg Cottrell


Hi Rick,


Were you trying this one? greg at precisionplastics.com




Best,

Alec




On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Land N Sea <landnsea1 at hawaiiantel.net> wrote:



I am trying to contact Greg Cottrell off line and it keeps coming back to me. Does anyone know how to get ahold of him?
 
Thanks
 
Rick


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From landnsea1 at hawaiiantel.net  Wed Feb 19 15:52:40 2014
From: landnsea1 at hawaiiantel.net (Land N Sea)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:52:40 -1000
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greg Cottrell
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Thanks guy?s, he must of changed it since the last time I emailed him. the one I had for him had Yahoo.com in it. 
All my view ports are heading his way for annealing from Hawaii so wanted to give him a heads up.

Rick

From: vbra676539 at aol.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:25 AM
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org 
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greg Cottrell

Alec, 
Yup, that's the one I have.
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greg Cottrell


Hi Rick, 

Were you trying this one? greg at precisionplastics.com




Best,

Alec



On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Land N Sea <landnsea1 at hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

  I am trying to contact Greg Cottrell off line and it keeps coming back to me. Does anyone know how to get ahold of him?

  Thanks

  Rick

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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 18:22:09 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:22:09 -1000
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Hank, forget Florida, Tahiti is awesome.
Did a Shark dive this AM & there were loads of big beasts ( mainly lemon Shark)
checking us out. Of course they feed them which gets them interested.
Alan

Sent from my iPad

> On 16/02/2014, at 12:53 pm, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> Just checking house prices in Florida, hmmm nice winter home, close to water with dock.  Submarine friendly community.
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 3:46:59 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hank,
> 
> No Margaritaville up there in the great white north! That's where we parrot heads go after cutting the grass! :)
> 
> Joe
> 
> Sent from my
> iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:43 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Vance,
>> Thanks' for the weather up date in Florida,,grrrr.haha.   You may be warmer but I will be going for a sub ride,  now who is better off,lol.  I would rather be subbing in crystal clear water with mittens on than mowing the grass hehe.
>> Hank
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:31:36 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>> Understand. I won't tell you what my day is like (although I'm writing this out on the porch in a tee-shirt). Must go and cut the grass. Damn, I hate winter. Oh wait, we don't have one. Not a real one, anyway. What's the weatherman say about you guys. Clear skies, snow on the ground, roads clear...I hope.
>> Vance
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:56 am
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>> 
>> Vance,
>> Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.  I am starting to hate winter ;-(
>> Hank
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>> Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure. 
>> Vance
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>> 
>> I am leaving tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.  I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.  Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.  I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.  I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.  I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.  It will be crowded inside :-) .  I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.  It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.  I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.  I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.  I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done.
>> Hank
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 18:29:35 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:29:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Polynesia, the Red Sea, and the Great Barrier Reef are among the finest in the world. What we have here in Florida, is but a barnacle by comparison. I have had the unfortunate front row seat to its disappearance.<br/><br/>Enjoy, take pics!<br/><br/>Joe<a href="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS"><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad</a>
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb 19 19:05:33 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:05:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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Alan,
I hate you!? ;-) 
Hank



On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 4:29:54 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Polynesia, the Red Sea, and the Great Barrier Reef are among the finest in the world. What we have here in Florida, is but a barnacle by comparison. I have had the unfortunate front row seat to its disappearance.

Enjoy, take pics!

Joe

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad  



________________________________
 From:  Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>; 
To:  Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>; 
Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive 
Sent:  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 11:22:09 PM 
 

Hank, forget Florida, Tahiti is awesome.
Did a Shark dive this AM & there were loads of big beasts ( mainly lemon Shark)
checking us out. Of course they feed them which gets them interested.
Alan

Sent from my iPad

On 16/02/2014, at 12:53 pm, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:


Joe,
>Just checking house prices in Florida, hmmm nice winter home, close to water with dock.? Submarine friendly community.
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Sunday, February 16, 2014 3:46:59 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  
>Hank,
>
>
>No Margaritaville up there in the great white north! That's where we parrot heads go after cutting the grass! :)
>
>
>Joe
>
>Sent from my
>iPhone
>
>On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:43 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>Vance, 
>>Thanks' for the weather up date in Florida,,grrrr.haha.?? You may be warmer but I will be going for a sub ride,? now who is better off,lol.? I would rather be subbing in crystal clear water with mittens on than mowing the grass hehe.
>>Hank
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:31:36 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>  
>>Understand. I won't tell you what my day is like (although I'm writing this out on the porch in a tee-shirt). Must go and cut the grass. Damn, I hate winter. Oh wait, we don't have one. Not a real one, anyway. What's the weatherman say about you guys. Clear skies, snow on the ground, roads clear...I hope. 
>>Vance
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:56 am
>>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
>>
>>
>>Vance, 
>>Thanks', I am sure the sub will be fine, I am more worried about the roads.? I am starting to hate winter ;-(  
>>Hank 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:45:24 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>  
>>Good luck, mate. She'll do well, I'm sure.?  
>>Vance
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:20 am
>>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] first dive
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>>
>>I?am leaving?tomorrow morning for Kootenay Lake, I am doing a test dive.? I am tired of waiting for winter to let go, I cant work on my barge.? Gamma is all loaded up and tarped up.? I can test the propulsion, and dive to safe depths.? I can not afford the 3k for batteries at the moment, so I have four batteries removed from my commercial truck sitting on the floor of Gamma.? I have the battery box filled with 480 lbs of scrap bits of steel.? It will be crowded inside :-) .? I am carrying the scrubber inside the truck to keep it warm.? It may be snowing out there, but that adds to the adventure.? I also replaced the mbt windows with steel plates, I was intending to drop her to 1,000 feet first.? I do not trust the condition of the mbt windows to handle unknown conditions at 1,000 feet.? I will leave the plates in place until I get the deep test done. 
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Fri Feb 21 17:18:32 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:18:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot
Message-ID: <1393021112.65170.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Alec,
I just received the auto pilot,? HOLY MAN, did you guys steal that from NASA.?? Very nice,? I think you guys built it to fit Gamma.? It will take about 5 min to install.??? 
Thanks' again.
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From alecsmyth at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 17:30:15 2014
From: alecsmyth at gmail.com (Alec Smyth)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:30:15 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot
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Thanks! Wow, that took a while to reach you. Hang onto it until the ice
begins to thaw so you can test. I'm not going to be testing again myself,
unfortunately, for a long time.

Best,

Alec


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> Alec,
> I just received the auto pilot,  HOLY MAN, did you guys steal that from
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> about 5 min to install.
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> Hank
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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Sat Feb 22 11:06:46 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (Brian Cox)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:06:46 -0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Sat Feb 22 11:29:06 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:29:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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Brian,


Delta did 6000+ dives with a hull grounded 48 volt system without problem. Just saying.....


Vance



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Hi All,
            I'm considering a 48 volt system for my motors, is that too high of voltage as far as safety goes for a sub ?
 
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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Sat Feb 22 13:15:03 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (Brian Cox)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:15:03 -0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Sat Feb 22 13:37:45 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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Well, that ought to give you something to ponder.



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Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System



Cool,I know anything above 36 Volts can be problematic as far as getting accidently zapped.  But with the controllers they have now I could run a 48 volt AC induction motor from a DC power source.  That would be nice as far as smooth control capability and also I could run the motors in mineral oil and would not have to worry about any brushes.  However the rpm may be a problem unless I have some type of gear reduction.
 
Brian 

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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:29:06 -0500 (EST)


Brian,


Delta did 6000+ dives with a hull grounded 48 volt system without problem. Just saying.....


Vance



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Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:08 am
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Hi All,
            I'm considering a 48 volt system for my motors, is that too high of voltage as far as safety goes for a sub ?
 
Brian


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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Mon Feb 24 00:34:54 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (Brian Cox)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 21:34:54 -0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Mon Feb 24 06:49:15 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:49:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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Sounds good.



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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:35 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System



Think I may have found a motor with an rpm curve that could fit the bill !   Going to talk to the golf cart folks tomorrow !
 
Brian

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0500 (EST)


Well, that ought to give you something to ponder.



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From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System



Cool,I know anything above 36 Volts can be problematic as far as getting accidently zapped.  But with the controllers they have now I could run a 48 volt AC induction motor from a DC power source.  That would be nice as far as smooth control capability and also I could run the motors in mineral oil and would not have to worry about any brushes.  However the rpm may be a problem unless I have some type of gear reduction.
 
Brian 

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:29:06 -0500 (EST)


Brian,


Delta did 6000+ dives with a hull grounded 48 volt system without problem. Just saying.....


Vance



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To: Personal_Submersibles <Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:08 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System



Hi All,
            I'm considering a 48 volt system for my motors, is that too high of voltage as far as safety goes for a sub ?
 
Brian


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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 17:40:24 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:40:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lithium Sulfur Batteries
Message-ID: <1393281624.62329.YahooMailNeo@web120902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Here are a couple of articles on Lithium Sulfur batteries, that look to be developing in to a promising?
battery technology, with twice the energy density of other lithium batteries at a cheaper price.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/breakthrough-energy-dense-battery-uses-lithium-and-sulfur/


http://www.gizmag.com/lithium-sulfur-battery-energy-density/29907/

This could mean air conditioning, larger more powerful motors for speedy surface transit,?
& coffee machines on Psubs.
Found out at the U.I. convention that the Deep Workers have upgraded to Lithium technology.
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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Mon Feb 24 19:57:37 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (Brian Cox)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:57:37 -0800
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Mon Feb 24 21:39:33 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:39:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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That's a big boy!



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Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 7:58 pm
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Here's the motor I'm looking at:
 


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:49:15 -0500 (EST)


Sounds good.



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Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:35 am
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Think I may have found a motor with an rpm curve that could fit the bill !   Going to talk to the golf cart folks tomorrow !
 
Brian

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0500 (EST)


Well, that ought to give you something to ponder.



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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System



Cool,I know anything above 36 Volts can be problematic as far as getting accidently zapped.  But with the controllers they have now I could run a 48 volt AC induction motor from a DC power source.  That would be nice as far as smooth control capability and also I could run the motors in mineral oil and would not have to worry about any brushes.  However the rpm may be a problem unless I have some type of gear reduction.
 
Brian 

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:29:06 -0500 (EST)


Brian,


Delta did 6000+ dives with a hull grounded 48 volt system without problem. Just saying.....


Vance



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To: Personal_Submersibles <Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:08 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System



Hi All,
            I'm considering a 48 volt system for my motors, is that too high of voltage as far as safety goes for a sub ?
 
Brian


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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Mon Feb 24 21:39:39 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (Brian Cox)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:39:39 -0800
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Mon Feb 24 21:44:38 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:44:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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Why such low voltage on a motor this size? Those kinds of amps are going to take weld cables to manage.


Vance



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Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:41 pm
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Actually this one might be better, lower RPM
 


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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:49:15 -0500 (EST)


Sounds good.



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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:35 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System



Think I may have found a motor with an rpm curve that could fit the bill !   Going to talk to the golf cart folks tomorrow !
 
Brian

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0500 (EST)


Well, that ought to give you something to ponder.



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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System



Cool,I know anything above 36 Volts can be problematic as far as getting accidently zapped.  But with the controllers they have now I could run a 48 volt AC induction motor from a DC power source.  That would be nice as far as smooth control capability and also I could run the motors in mineral oil and would not have to worry about any brushes.  However the rpm may be a problem unless I have some type of gear reduction.
 
Brian 

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:29:06 -0500 (EST)


Brian,


Delta did 6000+ dives with a hull grounded 48 volt system without problem. Just saying.....


Vance



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To: Personal_Submersibles <Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:08 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System



Hi All,
            I'm considering a 48 volt system for my motors, is that too high of voltage as far as safety goes for a sub ?
 
Brian


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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Mon Feb 24 22:01:57 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (Brian Cox)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:01:57 -0800
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 22:28:11 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:28:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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Hi Brian,
looked at your project page & am a bit confused.
Are you still using the diesel motor? & is the electric motor going in the hull & turning the?
propeller shaft of the diesel motor?
Also does the concrete exostructure incorporate ballast tanks or are they going to be attached?
to it? What are the dimensions of the pressure hull.
Regards Alan


________________________________
 From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
 


Lower RPM and a lot of start up torque.?? 

This page has some additional motors with other voltages:
?
http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/hpevs-ac12-motor-conversion-kit-en-2-3-4.html
?
Brian

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:44:38 -0500 (EST)


Why such low voltage on a motor this size? Those kinds of amps are going to take weld cables to manage. 

Vance



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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:41 pm
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Actually this one might be better, lower RPM
?


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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:49:15 -0500 (EST)


Sounds good.



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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:35 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Think I may have found a motor with an rpm curve that could fit the bill !?? Going to talk to the golf cart folks tomorrow !
?
Brian

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0500 (EST)


Well, that ought to give you something to ponder.



-----Original Message-----
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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Cool,I know anything above 36 Volts can be problematic as far as getting accidently zapped.? But with the controllers they have now I could run a 48 volt AC induction motor from a DC power source.? That would be nice as far as smooth control capability and also I could run the motors in mineral oil and would not have to worry about any brushes.? However the rpm?may be a problem unless I have some type of gear reduction.
?
Brian?

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:29:06 -0500 (EST)


Brian, 

Delta did 6000+ dives with a hull grounded 48 volt system without problem. Just saying.....

Vance



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To: Personal_Submersibles <Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:08 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Hi All,
??????????? I'm considering a 48 volt system for my motors, is that too high of voltage as far as safety goes for a sub ?
?
Brian
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 22:28:45 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:28:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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Hi Brian,
looked at your project page & am a bit confused.
Are you still using the diesel motor? & is the electric motor going in the hull & turning the?
propeller shaft of the diesel motor?
Also does the concrete exostructure incorporate ballast tanks or are they going to be attached?
to it? What are the dimensions of the pressure hull.
Regards Alan


________________________________
 From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
 


Lower RPM and a lot of start up torque.?? 

This page has some additional motors with other voltages:
?
http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/hpevs-ac12-motor-conversion-kit-en-2-3-4.html
?
Brian

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:44:38 -0500 (EST)


Why such low voltage on a motor this size? Those kinds of amps are going to take weld cables to manage. 

Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:41 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Actually this one might be better, lower RPM
?


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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:49:15 -0500 (EST)


Sounds good.



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From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:35 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Think I may have found a motor with an rpm curve that could fit the bill !?? Going to talk to the golf cart folks tomorrow !
?
Brian

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0500 (EST)


Well, that ought to give you something to ponder.



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From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Cool,I know anything above 36 Volts can be problematic as far as getting accidently zapped.? But with the controllers they have now I could run a 48 volt AC induction motor from a DC power source.? That would be nice as far as smooth control capability and also I could run the motors in mineral oil and would not have to worry about any brushes.? However the rpm?may be a problem unless I have some type of gear reduction.
?
Brian?

--- vbra676539 at aol.com wrote:

From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:29:06 -0500 (EST)


Brian, 

Delta did 6000+ dives with a hull grounded 48 volt system without problem. Just saying.....

Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal_Submersibles <Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:08 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Hi All,
??????????? I'm considering a 48 volt system for my motors, is that too high of voltage as far as safety goes for a sub ?
?
Brian
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 23:34:29 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:34:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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So the 60" sphere is why you need a big motor!
Will anyone fit in the tube compartment once you put in reinforcing rings or is that
for other equipment?
I noticed there are only one set of ballast valves either side & are wondering if there is?
the potential for the sphere section to descend first & a bubble to be trapped in the back section.
I remember seeing a submarine stuck nose down that had to be pulled out of the water because
of that reason & also probably because any further air to correct it went straight out the ballast water inlet.
Hope that makes sense. Sorry about all the questions, I'm intrigued with the design.
Alan



________________________________
 From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
 


I need to remove that diesel motor from my page ( it went to the scrap yard)? I have a 60 dia Sphere attached to a 26" diameter tube x 8' long which will ride in the trough of my ferro structure.? Conning tower will be at top of sphere.?The thing will probably be around 6 tons ( dry weight) by the time I'm done with it.? I'm just going to start off with battery power but I fully intend to put a 28kW DC?diesel generator in ( I have a space reserved !)? but that may have to wait till next year.? 
?
I was going to have?different configuration but with the conical section that was necessary the length became too long so I have opted for a sphere.? ?
?
Brian?

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From: Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:28:11 -0800 (PST)


Hi Brian,
looked at your project page & am a bit confused.
Are you still using the diesel motor? & is the electric motor going in the hull & turning the?
propeller shaft of the diesel motor?
Also does the concrete exostructure incorporate ballast tanks or are they going to be attached?
to it? What are the dimensions of the pressure hull.
Regards Alan


________________________________
 From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
 


Lower RPM and a lot of start up torque.?? 

This page has some additional motors with other voltages:
?
http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/hpevs-ac12-motor-conversion-kit-en-2-3-4.html
?
Brian

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:44:38 -0500 (EST)


Why such low voltage on a motor this size? Those kinds of amps are going to take weld cables to manage. 

Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:41 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Actually this one might be better, lower RPM
?


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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:49:15 -0500 (EST)


Sounds good.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:35 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Think I may have found a motor with an rpm curve that could fit the bill !?? Going to talk to the golf cart folks tomorrow !
?
Brian

--- vbra676539 at aol.com wrote:

From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0500 (EST)


Well, that ought to give you something to ponder.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Cool,I know anything above 36 Volts can be problematic as far as getting accidently zapped.? But with the controllers they have now I could run a 48 volt AC induction motor from a DC power source.? That would be nice as far as smooth control capability and also I could run the motors in mineral oil and would not have to worry about any brushes.? However the rpm?may be a problem unless I have some type of gear reduction.
?
Brian?

--- vbra676539 at aol.com wrote:

From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:29:06 -0500 (EST)


Brian, 

Delta did 6000+ dives with a hull grounded 48 volt system without problem. Just saying.....

Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal_Submersibles <Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:08 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Hi All,
??????????? I'm considering a 48 volt system for my motors, is that too high of voltage as far as safety goes for a sub ?
?
Brian
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From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (Brian Cox)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:11:16 -0800
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 25 02:57:51 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:57:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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Hi Brian,
if you have that large 60"cylinder off the end of your ballast tank, & it has to weigh as?
much as the water it displaces to submerge, won't it be tipping the rest of the submarine up
while on the surface. It seems like it needs more ballast under it. Unless you have some sort
of hefty weight transference system. Hope you don't mind my comments.
Alan
?


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Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
 


No, I need a big motor ( actually I will have two 18 hp motors) because I intend on traveling over to the Channel Island for some commercial fishing (15 miles).? Rather than just a hobby I'm planning on using the sub for a?practical purpose.? Since I've ruled out the need for a?support vessel this sub will have to make it on it's own.? If you notice the outlet for the escaping water is four 2" openings on the very bottom of the sub which will prevent any air from escaping.
Brian?

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From: Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:34:29 -0800 (PST)


So the 60" sphere is why you need a big motor!
Will anyone fit in the tube compartment once you put in reinforcing rings or is that
for other equipment?
I noticed there are only one set of ballast valves either side & are wondering if there is?
the potential for the sphere section to descend first & a bubble to be trapped in the back section.
I remember seeing a submarine stuck nose down that had to be pulled out of the water because
of that reason & also probably because any further air to correct it went straight out the ballast water inlet.
Hope that makes sense. Sorry about all the questions, I'm intrigued with the design.
Alan



________________________________
 From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
 


I need to remove that diesel motor from my page ( it went to the scrap yard)? I have a 60 dia Sphere attached to a 26" diameter tube x 8' long which will ride in the trough of my ferro structure.? Conning tower will be at top of sphere.?The thing will probably be around 6 tons ( dry weight) by the time I'm done with it.? I'm just going to start off with battery power but I fully intend to put a 28kW DC?diesel generator in ( I have a space reserved !)? but that may have to wait till next year.? 
?
I was going to have?different configuration but with the conical section that was necessary the length became too long so I have opted for a sphere.? ?
?
Brian?

--- alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com wrote:

From: Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:28:11 -0800 (PST)


Hi Brian,
looked at your project page & am a bit confused.
Are you still using the diesel motor? & is the electric motor going in the hull & turning the?
propeller shaft of the diesel motor?
Also does the concrete exostructure incorporate ballast tanks or are they going to be attached?
to it? What are the dimensions of the pressure hull.
Regards Alan


________________________________
 From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
 


Lower RPM and a lot of start up torque.?? 

This page has some additional motors with other voltages:
?
http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/hpevs-ac12-motor-conversion-kit-en-2-3-4.html
?
Brian

--- vbra676539 at aol.com wrote:

From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:44:38 -0500 (EST)


Why such low voltage on a motor this size? Those kinds of amps are going to take weld cables to manage. 

Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:41 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Actually this one might be better, lower RPM
?


--- vbra676539 at aol.com wrote:

From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:49:15 -0500 (EST)


Sounds good.



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From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
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Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:35 am
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Think I may have found a motor with an rpm curve that could fit the bill !?? Going to talk to the golf cart folks tomorrow !
?
Brian

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0500 (EST)


Well, that ought to give you something to ponder.



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Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:15 pm
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Cool,I know anything above 36 Volts can be problematic as far as getting accidently zapped.? But with the controllers they have now I could run a 48 volt AC induction motor from a DC power source.? That would be nice as far as smooth control capability and also I could run the motors in mineral oil and would not have to worry about any brushes.? However the rpm?may be a problem unless I have some type of gear reduction.
?
Brian?

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:29:06 -0500 (EST)


Brian, 

Delta did 6000+ dives with a hull grounded 48 volt system without problem. Just saying.....

Vance



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Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:08 am
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Hi All,
??????????? I'm considering a 48 volt system for my motors, is that too high of voltage as far as safety goes for a sub ?
?
Brian
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From psub101 at indy.rr.com  Tue Feb 25 08:18:21 2014
From: psub101 at indy.rr.com (Steve McQueen)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:18:21 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Some small videos
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Thanks for sharing! Very nice.
Steve


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:03 AM, James Frankland <
jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Here are a couple of very short clips of the Sunday activities.
> Regards
> James
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7_-B3GLf2A
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqQR0fUcUIk
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Tue Feb 25 08:47:11 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:47:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Some small videos
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Ditto
Vance



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Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 8:19 am
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Thanks for sharing! Very nice.

Steve




On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:03 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:

Hi All,
 
Here are a couple of very short clips of the Sunday activities.
Regards
James
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7_-B3GLf2A
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqQR0fUcUIk




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From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com  Tue Feb 25 08:55:33 2014
From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:55:33 +0000
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Some small videos
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i sent that ages ago!

On 25 February 2014 13:47, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

> Ditto
> Vance
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>
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>  Thanks for sharing! Very nice.
> Steve
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:03 AM, James Frankland <
> jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Here are a couple of very short clips of the Sunday activities.
>> Regards
>> James
>>
>>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7_-B3GLf2A
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqQR0fUcUIk
>>
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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Tue Feb 25 09:57:09 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (Brian Cox)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 06:57:09 -0800
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 25 13:56:55 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:56:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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Brian, I guess you could put an extra ballast tank in at the neck portion where the sphere
joins the concrete ballast tank section if it ends up too heavy at the front end.
That will feel like progress when the hemis arrive. Hank has made a spherical submersible,
he may have some good advice.
Alan


________________________________
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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
 


Don't mind questions, this happens to be my favorite subject !? I have a trim tank ( hard ballast) up front.? At my present calculations I think I'm a little heavy by about 200 pound. But we'll see.? If worst comes to worst I'll have to add some synatic foam.? I'll have to play with the balance I'm sure I don't think it will be an insurmountable problem.
?
My two hemispheres should be here today or tomorrow !??? All the way from Texas.
?
Brian

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From: Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:57:51 -0800 (PST)


Hi Brian,
if you have that large 60"cylinder off the end of your ballast tank, & it has to weigh as?
much as the water it displaces to submerge, won't it be tipping the rest of the submarine up
while on the surface. It seems like it needs more ballast under it. Unless you have some sort
of hefty weight transference system. Hope you don't mind my comments.
Alan
?


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Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
 


No, I need a big motor ( actually I will have two 18 hp motors) because I intend on traveling over to the Channel Island for some commercial fishing (15 miles).? Rather than just a hobby I'm planning on using the sub for a?practical purpose.? Since I've ruled out the need for a?support vessel this sub will have to make it on it's own.? If you notice the outlet for the escaping water is four 2" openings on the very bottom of the sub which will prevent any air from escaping.
Brian?

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From: Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:34:29 -0800 (PST)


So the 60" sphere is why you need a big motor!
Will anyone fit in the tube compartment once you put in reinforcing rings or is that
for other equipment?
I noticed there are only one set of ballast valves either side & are wondering if there is?
the potential for the sphere section to descend first & a bubble to be trapped in the back section.
I remember seeing a submarine stuck nose down that had to be pulled out of the water because
of that reason & also probably because any further air to correct it went straight out the ballast water inlet.
Hope that makes sense. Sorry about all the questions, I'm intrigued with the design.
Alan



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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
 


I need to remove that diesel motor from my page ( it went to the scrap yard)? I have a 60 dia Sphere attached to a 26" diameter tube x 8' long which will ride in the trough of my ferro structure.? Conning tower will be at top of sphere.?The thing will probably be around 6 tons ( dry weight) by the time I'm done with it.? I'm just going to start off with battery power but I fully intend to put a 28kW DC?diesel generator in ( I have a space reserved !)? but that may have to wait till next year.? 
?
I was going to have?different configuration but with the conical section that was necessary the length became too long so I have opted for a sphere.? ?
?
Brian?

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From: Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:28:11 -0800 (PST)


Hi Brian,
looked at your project page & am a bit confused.
Are you still using the diesel motor? & is the electric motor going in the hull & turning the?
propeller shaft of the diesel motor?
Also does the concrete exostructure incorporate ballast tanks or are they going to be attached?
to it? What are the dimensions of the pressure hull.
Regards Alan


________________________________
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To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
 


Lower RPM and a lot of start up torque.?? 

This page has some additional motors with other voltages:
?
http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/hpevs-ac12-motor-conversion-kit-en-2-3-4.html
?
Brian

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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:44:38 -0500 (EST)


Why such low voltage on a motor this size? Those kinds of amps are going to take weld cables to manage. 

Vance



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Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:41 pm
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Actually this one might be better, lower RPM
?


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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:49:15 -0500 (EST)


Sounds good.



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Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:35 am
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Think I may have found a motor with an rpm curve that could fit the bill !?? Going to talk to the golf cart folks tomorrow !
?
Brian

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From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0500 (EST)


Well, that ought to give you something to ponder.



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Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System


Cool,I know anything above 36 Volts can be problematic as far as getting accidently zapped.? But with the controllers they have now I could run a 48 volt AC induction motor from a DC power source.? That would be nice as far as smooth control capability and also I could run the motors in mineral oil and would not have to worry about any brushes.? However the rpm?may be a problem unless I have some type of gear reduction.
?
Brian?

--- vbra676539 at aol.com wrote:

From: vbra676539 at aol.com
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:29:06 -0500 (EST)


Brian, 

Delta did 6000+ dives with a hull grounded 48 volt system without problem. Just saying.....

Vance



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Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 11:08 am
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Hi All,
??????????? I'm considering a 48 volt system for my motors, is that too high of voltage as far as safety goes for a sub ?
?
Brian
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Tue Feb 25 15:30:04 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:30:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
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Brian,
Tell us about your hemi's? how thick? are they rolled or segments?
Hank



On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:57:21 AM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Brian, I guess you could put an extra ballast tank in at the neck portion where the sphere
joins the concrete ballast tank section if it ends up too heavy at the front end.
That will feel like progress when the hemis arrive. Hank has made a spherical submersible,
he may have some good advice.
Alan
 

________________________________
 From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
  


Don't mind questions, this happens to be my favorite subject !? I have a trim tank ( hard ballast) up front.? At my present calculations I think I'm a little heavy by about 200 pound. But we'll see.? If worst comes to worst I'll have to add some synatic foam.? I'll have to play with the balance I'm sure I don't think it will be an insurmountable problem.

My two hemispheres should be here today or tomorrow !??? All the way from Texas.

Brian

--- alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com wrote:

From: Alan James
 <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:57:51 -0800 (PST)


Hi Brian,
if you have that large 60"cylinder off the end of your ballast tank, & it has to weigh as?
much as the water it displaces to submerge, won't it be tipping the rest of the submarine up
while on the surface. It seems like it needs more ballast under it. Unless you have some sort
of hefty weight transference system. Hope you don't mind my comments.
Alan
?
 

________________________________
 From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
  


No, I need a big motor ( actually I will have two 18 hp motors) because I intend on traveling over to the Channel Island for some commercial fishing (15 miles).? Rather than just a hobby I'm planning on using the sub for a?practical purpose.? Since I've ruled out the need for a?support vessel this sub will have to make it on it's own.? If you notice the outlet for the escaping water is four 2" openings on the very bottom of the sub which will prevent any air from escaping.
Brian?

--- alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com wrote:

From: Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:34:29 -0800 (PST)


So the 60" sphere is why you need a big motor!
Will anyone fit in the tube compartment once you put in reinforcing rings or is that
for other equipment?
I noticed there are only one set of ballast valves either side & are wondering if there is?
the potential for the sphere section to descend first & a bubble to be trapped in the back section.
I remember seeing a submarine stuck nose down that had to be pulled out of the water because
of that reason & also probably because any further air to correct it went straight out the ballast water inlet.
Hope that makes sense. Sorry about all the questions, I'm intrigued with the design.
Alan

 

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 From: Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
  


I need to remove that diesel motor from my page ( it went to the scrap yard)? I have a 60 dia Sphere attached to a 26" diameter tube x 8' long which will ride in the trough of my ferro structure.? Conning tower will be at top of sphere.?The thing will probably be around 6 tons ( dry weight) by the time I'm done with it.? I'm just going to start off with battery power but I fully intend to put a 28kW DC?diesel generator in ( I have a space reserved !)? but that may have to wait till next year.? 

I was going to have?different configuration but with the conical section that was necessary the length became too long so I have opted for a sphere.? ?

Brian?

--- alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com wrote:

From: Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electircal System
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:28:11 -0800 (PST)


Hi Brian,
looked at your project page & am a bit confused.
Are you still using the diesel motor? & is the electric motor going in the hull & turning the?
propeller shaft of the diesel motor?
Also does the concrete exostructure incorporate ballast tanks or are they going to be attached?
to it? What are the dimensions of the pressure hull.
Regards Alan
 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:01 PM
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Lower RPM and a lot of start up torque.?? 

This page has some additional motors with other voltages:

http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/hpevs-ac12-motor-conversion-kit-en-2-3-4.html

Brian

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:44:38 -0500 (EST)


Why such low voltage on a motor this size? Those kinds of amps are going to take weld cables to manage. 
 
Vance



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Actually this one might be better, lower RPM 



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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:49:15 -0500 (EST)

 
Sounds good.


 
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Think I may have found a motor with an rpm curve that could fit the bill !?? Going to talk to the golf cart folks tomorrow ! 

Brian

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0500 (EST)

 
Well, that ought to give you something to ponder.


 
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Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 1:15 pm
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Cool,I know anything above 36 Volts can be problematic as far as getting accidently zapped.? But with the controllers they have now I could run a 48 volt AC induction motor from a DC power source.? That would be nice as far as smooth control capability and also I could run the motors in mineral oil and would not have to worry about any brushes.? However the rpm?may be a problem unless I have some type of gear reduction. 

Brian?

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:29:06 -0500 (EST)

 
Brian,  
 
Delta did 6000+ dives with a hull grounded 48 volt system without problem. Just saying..... 
 
Vance



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Hi All, 
??????????? I'm considering a 48 volt system for my motors, is that too high of voltage as far as safety goes for a sub ? 

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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 25 16:43:11 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:43:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lithium Sulfur Batteries
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After a bit more Googling I found these batteries are due to go in to scooters this year.
http://www.enginetechnologyinternational.com/news.php?NewsID=40766

There are a lot of players investing big money in this technology & there are
predictions of a $100- per kWh price eventually, whereas Lead Acid is about $170-.
Alan


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Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:40 AM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lithium Sulfur Batteries
 


Here are a couple of articles on Lithium Sulfur batteries, that look to be developing in to a promising?
battery technology, with twice the energy density of other lithium batteries at a cheaper price.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/breakthrough-energy-dense-battery-uses-lithium-and-sulfur/


http://www.gizmag.com/lithium-sulfur-battery-energy-density/29907/

This could mean air conditioning, larger more powerful motors for speedy surface transit,?
& coffee machines on Psubs.
Found out at the U.I. convention that the Deep Workers have upgraded to Lithium technology.
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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Tue Feb 25 19:10:32 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (Brian Cox)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:10:32 -0800
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From JimToddPsub at aol.com  Tue Feb 25 21:20:25 2014
From: JimToddPsub at aol.com (JimToddPsub at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:20:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lithium Sulfur Batteries
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Hi Alan,
I've been out-of-state on long hours recently.  Thanks for your  updates on 
Lithium battery development.  I've been planning on Lithium from  the 
beginning, but expected it would be an iteration with less energy density in  
order to avoid the dangers associated with the earlier technology.  It will  be 
interesting to see where the technology stands when decision time  comes.  
Sounds like good news so far.
Cheers,
Jim
 
 
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alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com writes:

 
Here are a couple of articles on Lithium Sulfur batteries, that look to  be 
developing in to a promising 
battery technology, with twice the energy density of other lithium  
batteries at a cheaper price.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/breakthrough-energy-dense-battery-
uses-lithium-and-sulfur/



http://www.gizmag.com/lithium-sulfur-battery-energy-density/29907/

This  could mean air conditioning, larger more powerful motors for speedy 
surface  transit, 
&  coffee machines on Psubs.
Found  out at the U.I. convention that the Deep Workers have upgraded to 
Lithium  technology.
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb 26 13:16:10 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:16:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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Hello fellow sub nerds,
I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.? 
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Wed Feb 26 15:09:56 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:09:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool.


-25?


Wow.


Vance



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Hello fellow sub nerds,
I have posed a  couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.  I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.  I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.  I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.  It was -25C this morning.  You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.  Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.  Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.  I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.  Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.  
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb 26 15:16:02 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:16:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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Vance,
Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.? It seems the windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that came in the pail of windows.? 
Hank



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A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool. 
 
-25? 
 
Wow. 
 
Vance



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Hello fellow sub nerds, 
I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.?  
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Wed Feb 26 15:23:40 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:23:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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Let me check the construction drawings. Will get back to you.
Vance



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Vance,
Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.  It seems the windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that came in the pail of windows.  
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
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A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool.


-25?


Wow.


Vance



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Hello fellow sub nerds,
I have posed a  couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.  I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.  I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.  I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.  It was -25C this morning.  You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.  Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.  Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.  I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.  Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.  
Hank



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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 26 16:37:49 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:37:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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Very cool trailer Hank,
-25 Why do people live there?
Alan


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Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
 


Hello fellow sub nerds,
I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.? 
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb 26 16:56:56 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:56:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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Alan,
Thanks' the trailer is great, I just pushed the sub into the storage area?by myself.???My wife asks me all the time," why do we live here."?? But when summer hits, this is a tough place to beat, you should see our crystal clear lakes.? I need a winter place, with a shop, and a lake with treasures in it. ;-)
Hank



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Very cool trailer Hank,
-25 Why do people live there?
Alan
 

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Hello fellow sub nerds,
I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.? 
Hank
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Wed Feb 26 17:20:23 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:20:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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You can probably get the winter place and the shop. Two out of three isn't bad, and it would give you time to plan and prep for the summertime Canadian treasure hunt.
Vance



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Alan,
Thanks' the trailer is great, I just pushed the sub into the storage area by myself.   My wife asks me all the time," why do we live here."   But when summer hits, this is a tough place to beat, you should see our crystal clear lakes.  I need a winter place, with a shop, and a lake with treasures in it. ;-)
Hank
 
 
 
 
 
  On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:37:49 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
  


Very cool trailer Hank,
-25 Why do people live there?
Alan


  
 
 
 
   From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
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 Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:16 AM
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Hello fellow sub nerds,
I have posed a  couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.  I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.  I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.  I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.  It was -25C this morning.  You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.  Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.  Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.  I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.  Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.  
Hank


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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb 26 17:29:06 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:29:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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References: <1393438570.60267.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <1393450669.32467.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <1393451816.31102.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Two out of three could work
Hank



On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:20:23 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
You can probably get the winter place and the shop. Two out of three isn't bad, and it would give you time to plan and prep for the summertime Canadian treasure hunt. 
Vance



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Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer


Alan, 
Thanks' the trailer is great, I just pushed the sub into the storage area?by myself.???My wife asks me all the time," why do we live here."?? But when summer hits, this is a tough place to beat, you should see our crystal clear lakes.? I need a winter place, with a shop, and a lake with treasures in it. ;-) 
Hank 



On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:37:49 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Very cool trailer Hank, 
-25 Why do people live there? 
Alan 
 

________________________________
 From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
  


Hello fellow sub nerds, 
I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.?  
Hank    
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb 26 17:32:20 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:32:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1393453940.52024.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Is anyone interested in buying my acrylic cylinder, 12in tall, 25.5in od and 1in thick.? Cast acrylic from Reynolds Polymer.?
I have tested it to 200 feet so far.
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 27 03:59:51 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 03:59:51 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
In-Reply-To: <1393451816.31102.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1393438570.60267.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <1393450669.32467.YahooMailNeo@web120906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <1393451816.31102.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E54D56DB-D0C4-464D-BF6A-855494EABE85@yahoo.com>

Hank,

Which two weeks in August is summer?

Joe

On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:56 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Alan,
> Thanks' the trailer is great, I just pushed the sub into the storage area by myself.   My wife asks me all the time," why do we live here."   But when summer hits, this is a tough place to beat, you should see our crystal clear lakes.  I need a winter place, with a shop, and a lake with treasures in it. ;-)
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:37:49 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Very cool trailer Hank,
> -25 Why do people live there?
> Alan
> 
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:16 AM
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
> 
> Hello fellow sub nerds,
> I have posed a  couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.  I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.  I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.  I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.  It was -25C this morning.  You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.  Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.  Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.  I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.  Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches. 
> Hank
> 
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From Vbra676539 at AOL.com  Thu Feb 27 06:01:01 2014
From: Vbra676539 at AOL.com (Vance Bradley)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 06:01:01 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
In-Reply-To: <1393445762.45699.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1393438570.60267.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Hank,
The original drawings show 1.25" thickness.
Vance

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:16 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Vance,
> Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.  It seems the windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that came in the pail of windows. 
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:28 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
> A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool.
> 
> -25?
> 
> Wow.
> 
> Vance
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16 pm
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
> 
> Hello fellow sub nerds,
> I have posed a  couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.  I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.  I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.  I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.  It was -25C this morning.  You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.  Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.  Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.  I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.  Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches. 
> Hank
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Thu Feb 27 08:12:41 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 05:12:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
In-Reply-To: <4D693BF6-22B6-4146-9758-4019B856D852@AOL.com>
References: <1393438570.60267.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Joe,
We have superb summers, wouldn't trade for anywhere.
Hank



On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:01:37 AM, Vance Bradley <Vbra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
  
Hank,
The original drawings show 1.25" thickness.
Vance

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:16 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:


Vance,
>Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.? It seems the windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that came in the pail of windows.? 
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:28 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool. 
>
> 
>-25? 
>
> 
>Wow. 
>
> 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16 pm
>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>
>
>Hello fellow sub nerds, 
>I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.?  
>Hank    
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Thu Feb 27 08:16:34 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 05:16:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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Hi Vance,
Thanks' that makes sense, the 1.5in windows will not fit behind the guards in one spot so I put a 1.25 in that spot.
Hank



On , hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
  
Joe,
We have superb summers, wouldn't trade for anywhere.
Hank



On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:01:37 AM, Vance Bradley <Vbra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
  
Hank,
The original drawings show 1.25" thickness.
Vance

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:16 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:


Vance,
>Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.? It seems the windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that came in the pail of windows.? 
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:28 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool. 
>
> 
>-25? 
>
> 
>Wow. 
>
> 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16 pm
>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>
>
>Hello fellow sub nerds, 
>I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.?  
>Hank    
>_______________________________________________
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>
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>
>
>    
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From alecsmyth at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 12:18:43 2014
From: alecsmyth at gmail.com (Alec Smyth)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 12:18:43 -0500
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Summersville Lake dives in May
Message-ID: <CABECYQ6+XVkTupFn5oeNij8DbHrbEKM4+u05pVOUrVzUgqnoWg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Scott Waters and I are planning to dive our subs in Summersville Lake, WV,
on May 19th and 20th. We plan to drive on the 18th to have two full days
onsite. I realize the dive days are a Monday and Tuesday, which may be
relatively inconvenient for some, but on the other hand a lake with very
few jet skis or boats on it is both more enjoyable and safer.

This is not a "PSUBS convention", we're not organizing presentations or
accommodation, or charging for the use of any facilities. It's just an open
invite to those on the list who may be inclined to join us, whether with
additional subs or as crew, and by making independent logistical
arrangements. I'm sending this out early so folks can pencil it in, and
then a month or so before the day we can get a bit more specific with plans.

Info on the lake: http://www.sarges.net/summersv.htm

An earlier Snoopy video shot at Summersville: http://vimeo.com/18184179

The main attraction is visibility and the underwater terrain, which
features things like walls and arches. The video was shot when Snoopy was
pending a depth test, so I kept to 50 feet, and it was a day of
below-average visibility. Yet even so it was still the nicest lake I've
visited so far. BTW there are nice sand beaches if you bring along
non-submariners.



Best,

Alec
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Thu Feb 27 13:24:58 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 10:24:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Summersville Lake dives in May
In-Reply-To: <CABECYQ6+XVkTupFn5oeNij8DbHrbEKM4+u05pVOUrVzUgqnoWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABECYQ6+XVkTupFn5oeNij8DbHrbEKM4+u05pVOUrVzUgqnoWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Alec,
You lucky dogs, that is the ultimate, to dive with two subs.? I am jealous.
Hank




On Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:19:05 AM, Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com> wrote:
  
Hi all,

Scott Waters and I are planning to dive our subs in Summersville Lake, WV, on May 19th and 20th. We plan to drive on the 18th to have two full days onsite. I realize the dive days are a Monday and Tuesday, which may be relatively inconvenient for some, but on the other hand a lake with very few jet skis or boats on it is both more enjoyable and safer. 

This is not a "PSUBS convention", we're not organizing presentations or accommodation, or charging for the use of any facilities. It's just an open invite to those on the list who may be inclined to join us, whether with additional subs or as crew, and by making independent logistical arrangements. I'm sending this out early so folks can pencil it in, and then a month or so before the day we can get a bit more specific with plans. 

Info on the lake:?http://www.sarges.net/summersv.htm

An earlier Snoopy video shot at Summersville:?http://vimeo.com/18184179 

The main attraction is visibility and the underwater terrain, which features things like walls and arches. The video was shot when Snoopy was pending a depth test, so I kept to 50 feet, and it was a day of below-average visibility. Yet even so it was still the nicest lake I've visited so far. BTW there are nice sand beaches if you bring along non-submariners.? 



Best,

Alec
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 27 13:52:21 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 10:52:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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References: <1393438570.60267.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Hank,
?
If you remember, I commented last year on the pristine beauty of that area,?spectacular really. Your summers have to be much more comfortable than mine as well.
?
Joe


________________________________
From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer



Joe,
We have superb summers, wouldn't trade for anywhere.
Hank



On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:01:37 AM, Vance Bradley <Vbra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:

Hank,
The original drawings show 1.25" thickness.
Vance

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:16 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:


Vance,
>Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.? It seems the windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that came in the pail of windows.? 
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:28 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool. 
>
>
>-25?
>
>
>Wow.
>
>
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16 pm
>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>
>
>Hello fellow sub nerds,
>I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.? 
>Hank
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Thu Feb 27 14:05:47 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 11:05:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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Joe,
Yes I do remember, it is just to bad the winter drags out so long.? I am out of fun projects, so I am anxious to get under water, looks like March 10th is the next attempt to dive.? ? I imagine it gets pretty uncomfortable in the summer in Florida.
Hank



On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:52:21 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Hank, 
? 
If you remember, I commented last year on the pristine beauty of that area,?spectacular really. Your summers have to be much more comfortable than mine as well. 
? 
Joe 
 

________________________________
From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
 


Joe, 
We have superb summers, wouldn't trade for anywhere. 
Hank 



On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:01:37 AM, Vance Bradley <Vbra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
 
Hank, 
The original drawings show 1.25" thickness. 
Vance

Sent from my iPhone 

On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:16 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

  
Vance, 
>Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.? It seems the windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that came in the pail of windows.?  
>Hank 
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:28 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool.  
>
> 
>-25? 
>
> 
>Wow. 
>
> 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16 pm
>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>
>
>Hello fellow sub nerds, 
>I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.?  
>Hank 
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 27 14:49:11 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 08:49:11 +1300
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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References: <1393438570.60267.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Hank, Joe,
when I was in England they described the year as 9 months of hope
& three months of disappointment. 
I still think Tahiti is a Psubbers paridise. Clear deep waters that are easily
accessable from shore, abundant fish life & lots of large sharks, great
weather. What surprised me was that the tide never goes out. It isn't
influenced by the moon, just the sun, & there is only a 1ft tidal variation.
Alan

Sent from my iPad

> On 28/02/2014, at 8:05 am, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> Yes I do remember, it is just to bad the winter drags out so long.  I am out of fun projects, so I am anxious to get under water, looks like March 10th is the next attempt to dive.    I imagine it gets pretty uncomfortable in the summer in Florida.
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:52:21 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hank,
>  
> If you remember, I commented last year on the pristine beauty of that area, spectacular really. Your summers have to be much more comfortable than mine as well.
>  
> Joe
> 
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
> 
> Joe,
> We have superb summers, wouldn't trade for anywhere.
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:01:37 AM, Vance Bradley <Vbra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
> Hank,
> The original drawings show 1.25" thickness.
> Vance
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:16 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Vance,
>> Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.  It seems the windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that came in the pail of windows. 
>> Hank
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:28 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>> A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool.
>> 
>> -25?
>> 
>> Wow.
>> 
>> Vance
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16 pm
>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>> 
>> Hello fellow sub nerds,
>> I have posed a  couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.  I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.  I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.  I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.  It was -25C this morning.  You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.  Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.  Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.  I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.  Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches. 
>> Hank
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Thu Feb 27 15:06:14 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 12:06:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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Alan,
I would think Florida with its ship wreck rich waters would be the place to be for the psubber.? Hunting for wrecks is my cup of tea.? I expect to be the first person to explore the depths of our big deep lakes.? Our lakes have a lot of history with silver mines and sternwheelers.? And of coarse the lost gold boulder of Kootenay Lake.
Hank



On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:49:11 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Hank, Joe,
when I was in England they described the year as 9 months of hope
& three months of disappointment.?
I still think Tahiti is a Psubbers paridise. Clear deep waters that are easily
accessable from shore, abundant fish life & lots of large sharks, great
weather. What surprised me was that the tide never goes out. It isn't
influenced by the moon, just the sun, & there is only a 1ft tidal variation.
Alan

Sent from my iPad

On 28/02/2014, at 8:05 am, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:


Joe,
>Yes I do remember, it is just to bad the winter drags out so long.? I am out of fun projects, so I am anxious to get under water, looks like March 10th is the next attempt to dive.? ? I imagine it gets pretty uncomfortable in the summer in Florida.
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:52:21 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  
>Hank, 
>? 
>If you remember, I commented last year on the pristine beauty of that area,?spectacular really. Your summers have to be much more comfortable than mine as well. 
>? 
>Joe 
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
>Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:12 AM
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
> 
>
>
>Joe, 
>We have superb summers, wouldn't trade for anywhere. 
>Hank 
>
>
>
>On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:01:37 AM, Vance Bradley <Vbra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
> 
>Hank, 
>The original drawings show 1.25" thickness. 
>Vance
>
>Sent from my iPhone 
>
>On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:16 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>  
>Vance, 
>>Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.? It seems the windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that came in the pail of windows.?  
>>Hank 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:28 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>>A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool.  
>>
>> 
>>-25? 
>>
>> 
>>Wow. 
>>
>> 
>>Vance
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16 pm
>>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>>
>>
>>Hello fellow sub nerds, 
>>I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.?  
>>Hank 
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Thu Feb 27 16:12:56 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:12:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] machining titanium
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Does anyone have experience machining titanium?? is it very difficult.
Hank
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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Thu Feb 27 16:21:10 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (Brian Cox)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:21:10 -0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] machining titanium
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From emile at airesearch.nl  Thu Feb 27 16:29:35 2014
From: emile at airesearch.nl (Emile van Essen)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 22:29:35 +0100
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] machining titanium
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Yes I do! Did a lot of machining with titanium alloy for spaceflight in my
former job. 

Milling and turning is a bit like Aisi 316 stainless but with even lower
cutting speed. Drilling and especially tapping treads is a problem as the
material tends to squeeze the tool. Special tool geometry might be needed.

Good luck.. Emile

 

  _____  

Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org]
Namens hank pronk
Verzonden: donderdag 27 februari 2014 22:13
Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
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Does anyone have experience machining titanium?  is it very difficult.

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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Thu Feb 27 16:37:45 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] machining titanium
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I am working toward a magnetic coupler for gamma.? When I was at Nuytco, I discovered the secret how they make it work.? A titanium barrier between the magnets is the trick.? I would need a 4.5 in dia tube capped at one end, aprox?3in deep?with a flange at the other end.? The tube is .125 thick.
Hank



On Thursday, February 27, 2014 2:21:25 PM, Brian Cox <brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com> wrote:
  

Very tough stuff.? What are you trying to do??? Very strong but brittle unless it's combined with alloys.? I?would think slow rpm with lots of coolant and carbide tool.

Brian??


--- hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca wrote:

From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] machining titanium
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:12:56 -0800 (PST)


Does anyone have experience machining titanium?? is it very difficult.
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From seaquestor at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 18:18:07 2014
From: seaquestor at gmail.com (David Colombo)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:18:07 -0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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Hank,
I'm changing the lifting capacity of the SeaQuestor, since the boulder
weighed in at 2300 lbs, it should take to long to cover 154 sq miles of
lake to find it. I'm feeling the gold fever!!!


Best Regards,
David Colombo

804 College Ave
Santa Rosa, CA. 95404
(707) 536-1424
www.SeaQuestor.com



On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:06 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>wrote:

> Alan,
> I would think Florida with its ship wreck rich waters would be the place
> to be for the psubber.  Hunting for wrecks is my cup of tea.  I expect to
> be the first person to explore the depths of our big deep lakes.  Our lakes
> have a lot of history with silver mines and sternwheelers.  And of coarse
> the lost gold boulder of Kootenay Lake.
> Hank
>
>
>   On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:49:11 PM, Alan <
> alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Hank, Joe,
> when I was in England they described the year as 9 months of hope
> & three months of disappointment.
> I still think Tahiti is a Psubbers paridise. Clear deep waters that are
> easily
> accessable from shore, abundant fish life & lots of large sharks, great
> weather. What surprised me was that the tide never goes out. It isn't
> influenced by the moon, just the sun, & there is only a 1ft tidal
> variation.
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 28/02/2014, at 8:05 am, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> Joe,
> Yes I do remember, it is just to bad the winter drags out so long.  I am
> out of fun projects, so I am anxious to get under water, looks like March
> 10th is the next attempt to dive.    I imagine it gets pretty uncomfortable
> in the summer in Florida.
> Hank
>
>
>   On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:52:21 AM, Joe Perkel <
> josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Hank,
>
> If you remember, I commented last year on the pristine beauty of that
> area, spectacular really. Your summers have to be much more comfortable
> than mine as well.
>
> Joe
>
>   *From:* hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:12 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>
>   Joe,
> We have superb summers, wouldn't trade for anywhere.
> Hank
>
>
>  On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:01:37 AM, Vance Bradley <
> Vbra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
>   Hank,
> The original drawings show 1.25" thickness.
> Vance
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:16 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>   Vance,
> Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.  It seems the
> windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that
> came in the pail of windows.
> Hank
>
>
>  On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:28 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <
> vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>  A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool.
>
> -25?
>
> Wow.
>
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16 pm
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>
>   Hello fellow sub nerds,
> I have posed a  couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma
> restoration.  I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very
> smooth.  I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big
> spaces between the rungs.  I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb
> winch that I will install when it warms up.  It was -25C this morning.  You
> will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the
> sub by hand.  Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to
> locate the sub in the right spot.  Also the hand rail can give a precise
> depth with a marker on the post.  I made the guides and hand rail out of
> wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.  Before I needed 6 feet
> 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.
> Hank
>
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Thu Feb 27 19:03:26 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:03:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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David,
Get on with building and we can go look together,? I put a bigger motor in gamma so I can search faster ;-) 
Hank



On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:18:07 PM, David Colombo <seaquestor at gmail.com> wrote:
  
Hank,
I'm changing the lifting capacity of the SeaQuestor, since the boulder weighed in at 2300 lbs, it should take to long to cover 154 sq miles of lake to find it. I'm feeling the gold fever!!!




Best Regards,
David Colombo

804 College Ave
Santa Rosa, CA. 95404
(707) 536-1424
http://www.seaquestor.com/

 


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:06 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

Alan,
>I would think Florida with its ship wreck rich waters would be the place to be for the psubber.? Hunting for wrecks is my cup of tea.? I expect to be the first person to explore the depths of our big deep lakes.? Our lakes have a lot of history with silver mines and sternwheelers.? And of coarse the lost gold boulder of Kootenay Lake. 
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:49:11 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  
>Hank, Joe,
>when I was in England they described the year as 9 months of hope 
>& three months of disappointment.?
>I still think Tahiti is a Psubbers paridise. Clear deep waters that are easily
>accessable from shore, abundant fish life & lots of large sharks, great 
>weather. What surprised me was that the tide never goes out. It isn't
>influenced by the moon, just the sun, & there is only a 1ft tidal variation.
>Alan
>
>Sent from my iPad 
>
>On 28/02/2014, at 8:05 am, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>Joe,
>>Yes I do remember, it is just to bad the winter drags out so long.? I am out of fun projects, so I am anxious to get under water, looks like March 10th is the next attempt to dive.? ? I imagine it gets pretty uncomfortable in the summer in Florida. 
>>Hank
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:52:21 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  
>>Hank, 
>>? 
>>If you remember, I commented last year on the pristine beauty of that area,?spectacular really. Your summers have to be much more comfortable than mine as well. 
>>? 
>>Joe 
>>
>> 
>>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
>>Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:12 AM
>>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>> 
>>
>>
>>Joe, 
>>We have superb summers, wouldn't trade for anywhere. 
>>Hank 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:01:37 AM, Vance Bradley <Vbra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
>> 
>>Hank, 
>>The original drawings show 1.25" thickness. 
>>Vance
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>>On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:16 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>Vance, 
>>>Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.? It seems the windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that came in the pail of windows.?  
>>>Hank 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:28 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool.  
>>>
>>> 
>>>-25? 
>>>
>>> 
>>>Wow. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>Vance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16 pm
>>>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello fellow sub nerds, 
>>>I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.?  
>>>Hank 
>>>_______________________________________________
Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles 
>>>
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 28 01:07:52 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 22:07:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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Hank,<br/><br/>The artificial reef program has sunk everything from Vietnam era Sherman Tanks, to a 727 fuselage and all manner of surface vessels.<br/>Lots of stuff to see but well picked over. You on the other hand, will see things for the first time by anyone, that's opportunity!<br/><br/>Joe<a href="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS"><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad</a>
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From piolenc at archivale.com  Fri Feb 28 03:51:40 2014
From: piolenc at archivale.com (Marc de Piolenc)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 16:51:40 +0800
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] machining titanium
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Which alloy?

Marc

On 2/28/2014 5:12 AM, hank pronk wrote:
> Does anyone have experience machining titanium?  is it very difficult.
> Hank
>
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Fri Feb 28 13:30:32 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 10:30:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
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Joe,
I can't wait, very exciting
Hank



On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:08:13 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Hank,

The artificial reef program has sunk everything from Vietnam era Sherman Tanks, to a 727 fuselage and all manner of surface vessels.
Lots of stuff to see but well picked over. You on the other hand, will see things for the first time by anyone, that's opportunity!

Joe

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad  



________________________________
 From:  hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>; 
To:  Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>; 
Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer 
Sent:  Fri, Feb 28, 2014 12:03:26 AM 
 

David,
Get on with building and we can go look together,? I put a bigger motor in gamma so I can search faster ;-) 
Hank



On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:18:07 PM, David Colombo <seaquestor at gmail.com> wrote:
  
Hank,
I'm changing the lifting capacity of the SeaQuestor, since the boulder weighed in at 2300 lbs, it should take to long to cover 154 sq miles of lake to find it. I'm feeling the gold fever!!!




Best Regards,
David Colombo

804 College Ave
Santa Rosa, CA. 95404
(707) 536-1424
http://www.seaquestor.com/

 


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:06 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

Alan,
>I would think Florida with its ship wreck rich waters would be the place to be for the psubber.? Hunting for wrecks is my cup of tea.? I expect to be the first person to explore the depths of our big deep lakes.? Our lakes have a lot of history with silver mines and sternwheelers.? And of coarse the lost gold boulder of Kootenay Lake. 
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:49:11 PM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  
>Hank, Joe,
>when I was in England they described the year as 9 months of hope 
>& three months of disappointment.?
>I still think Tahiti is a Psubbers paridise. Clear deep waters that are easily
>accessable from shore, abundant fish life & lots of large sharks, great 
>weather. What surprised me was that the tide never goes out. It isn't
>influenced by the moon, just the sun, & there is only a 1ft tidal variation.
>Alan
>
>Sent from my iPad 
>
>On 28/02/2014, at 8:05 am, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>Joe,
>>Yes I do remember, it is just to bad the winter drags out so long.? I am out of fun projects, so I am anxious to get under water, looks like March 10th is the next attempt to dive.? ? I imagine it gets pretty uncomfortable in the summer in Florida. 
>>Hank
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:52:21 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  
>>Hank, 
>>? 
>>If you remember, I commented last year on the pristine beauty of that area,?spectacular really. Your summers have to be much more comfortable than mine as well. 
>>? 
>>Joe 
>>
>> 
>>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
>>Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:12 AM
>>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>> 
>>
>>
>>Joe, 
>>We have superb summers, wouldn't trade for anywhere. 
>>Hank 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:01:37 AM, Vance Bradley <Vbra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
>> 
>>Hank, 
>>The original drawings show 1.25" thickness. 
>>Vance
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>>On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:16 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>Vance, 
>>>Do you know the thickness of Gamma's original windows.? It seems the windows are thicker than intended, also there are two thinner windows that came in the pail of windows.?  
>>>Hank 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:28 PM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>A short trailer for a long trailer. Nothing to it. Cool.  
>>>
>>> 
>>>-25? 
>>>
>>> 
>>>Wow. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>Vance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 1:16 pm
>>>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma's new launch trailer
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello fellow sub nerds, 
>>>I have posed a? couple of pictures of my new launch trailer under Gamma restoration.? I have done a test load on the trailer and it works very smooth.? I have to have boards on the ramps because the ramps have big spaces between the rungs.? I have a mount on the trailer for a 8,000lb winch that I will install when it warms up.? It was -25C this morning.? You will see on one side of the trailer a hand rail, that is for guiding the sub by hand.? Remember the trailer is submerged so you can't see it to locate the sub in the right spot.? Also the hand rail can give a precise depth with a marker on the post.? I made the guides and hand rail out of wood because it is soft when impacted and flexible.? Before I needed 6 feet 2 inches of water, now I only need 4 feet 5 inches.?  
>>>Hank 
>>>_______________________________________________
Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles 
>>>
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From brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com  Fri Feb 28 21:05:04 2014
From: brian at ojaivalleybeefarm.com (Brian Cox)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 18:05:04 -0800
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