[PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine
hank pronk
hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca
Wed Apr 9 08:42:52 EDT 2014
You can not make a comparison between what Karl built and what Scott wants to build. The two subs are totally different. I could see building Scott's dream sub for 125K if you have your own pressure vessel fab shop. (maybe) Otherwise it just isn't realistic for that cost.
I do not mean to imply that Scott or any other psub builder can not build a k3000. As a matter of fact with the proper budget and realistic assessment of your abilities we can all do it.
Hank
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:06:52 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
Scott,
Have a look at this. As long as your a student of something, somewhere, your ok. Join a local tiddlywinks class or something.
http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/inventor-professional
This is not too difficult to use.
Regards
James
On 9 April 2014 04:09, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
I will do the work myself, and not hire it out professionally. I built my K-350 and it was $40,000 after all the gadgets were put in and I hired out alot of work because I didn't know how to do it at the time. I did a comparative analysis on weight to dollar. My K-350 at $40,000 and 4,500 lbs is comparative ofa 10,500 lb sub would be $93,333 if you add more for acrylic costs my rough math seems to jive with the $125,000.
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>hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
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>I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way. Not if it is a professional build, and it has to be. If you do it right you can spend that to do 1,000 feet.
>Hank
>On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25:15 PM, Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com> wrote:
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>Wow! $125K for 2500 − 3000 feet? That's some serious dollar-to-fathom value!
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>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
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>$125,000 is reachable for me. Sounds like this could be a reality.
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>>Vance Bradley <VBra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
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>>He said in an interview that Idabel cost $125,000.
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>>On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Scott, I have no experience with any large pressure chambers, but I am sure you are talking well into the thousands (perhaps $15,000 to $35,000) depending on how long it takes to set up the required tests (and perform them).
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>>>I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested, 1000 feet may be a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to go beyond 1000 feet, I would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine or Triton but of course cost is then a major issue again. Does anyone know about how much Karl spent building Idabel? ~ Douglas S.
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>>>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
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>>>Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind of pressure?
>>>>Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at designing things in my head. If I designed this in CAD, does psubs have a good way of sharing CAD files for who ever would like too look at my designs and bounce ideas off of?
>>>>I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to increase overall psubs knowledge of cutting edge and affordable solutions for things like sonar and manipulator arms and things.
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>>>>Vance Bradley <VBra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
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>>>>Maryland and California (Navy) and Texas (southwest research).
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>>>>On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:14 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
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>>>>So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 1250m the idea? Next question is where can you find a pressure chamber that has 1670psi capability?
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>>>>>in general people design their boats with a crush depth of
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>>>>>So design to 2000 meters & test it to 1250 meters.
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>>>>>From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
>>>>>To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:29 PM
>>>>>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine
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>>>>>I am playing with the idea of building another submarine. Here is what I am thinking.
>>>>>1) This project needs to be as challenging as the same amount of difficulty as it was to build my first submarine
>>>>>2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 to learn what needs to be improved on in design and ability.
>>>>>3) Learn to use CAD
>>>>>4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete
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>>>>>3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)
>>>>>4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a good manipulator arm and tooling
>>>>>5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome front
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>>>>>Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main challenges to overcome? What complications am I not considering?
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