[PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless Motor Drive

I did this in the past. Looks cool and second hand lower units are
relative unexpensive if you purchase ouboards with damage heads - but do
not work well.   

Special with a oil hydraulic forward and aft shift system it is nearly
impossible. 
Needs allways a iddle rpm of the engine to feed the oil pump and to
shift. 
Means you have to run forward to shift in reverse and opposite. 
Or need a clunch. 
Also the modern units are more complicate in the shift and oil system
than it looks like. 

http://www.euronaut.org/content/gfx/equipment/Bowthrustermockeup01.jpg
http://www.euronaut.org/content/gfx/equipment/IMG_5913a.jpg

We scrapp both prototypes and purchase normal electric bowthruster and
oil compensate them. 
Was much easier. 

vbr Carsten 

"Alan James" <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> schrieb: 
Hi Joe,
yes the bow thrusters are a better option.
I thought that because of the mass production of outboards, that a lower
unit may be reasonably cheap & adaptable. After further Googling I found
they were reasonably expensive & there could be issues with the gear
case oil getting contaminated.
Alan




From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless Motor Drive



Alan,

Take a look a Lewmar thrusters, they have a 90 deg transfer case and
housing that is purpose built, hydro-dynamically clean, and better
adaptable that an OB lower unit, (that looks a bit cumbersome). I've not
yet ruled out purchasing one in a boating flea market to get a closer
look.

The advantage here would be two fold, matching already known specs
exactly including the use of the props, tip clearance,.. etc, and
secondly, removing as you say the motor housing from the flow path.

If I were to compensate, Id use the flex tubing method. But, I like
pressure resistant housings for these "sport" depths. Like Popiel's
Magic Oven, just "Set it and forget it!"

Joe


From: Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
To: psubs.org <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:57 AM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless Motor Drive



Hi Psubbers
I've been thinking about motor compensation options.
Any thoughts about whether this idea may have any merits?.....
Mount a brushless motor vertically on an outboard motor lower unit gear
case
& air compensate it.
The length of the vertical drive shaft from the motor to the gear case
gives
plenty of margin of error for the air compensation system before any
water
could make its way to the motor.
The gearing already exists for the higher speed of the brushless motor,
& although
there is an energy loss through the gearing there would be some savings
in 
that the motor is not directly in the path of the propellor thrust.
A can would need to be made around the motor & sealed on to the lower
unit.
Regards Alan





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