[PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. summary Pressure Hull

Wed Dec 11 16:51:40 EST 2013

Alec,

Alec,

These discussions (regardless of complexity of the systems involved) are always thought provoking and informative. But it's also good to be reminded how KISS always comes full circle when it comes to this particular discipline. Every time I'm reminded about KISS, I'm reminded that as tempted as I will be to install complex systems like scanning sonar, camera systems, etc, the basic Bare Bones systems must conform to KISS, so by all means keep reminding us!

With that in mind I'm going to further simplify the automated fire suppression system in my reactor compartment. :)

Joe

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:23 PM, "Smyth, Alec" <Alec.Smyth at covisint.com> wrote:

Gents, I think we’re seriously over-complicating this one. The automatic overpressure valves typically have a spring loaded stem. Want a manual valve? All you do is put your finger on the stem and press a little. You would do that if you wanted to open the valve at less than its cracking pressure, or just for a little ventilation when there is no pressure differential. 

I’m not following the interlock part, because if the valve is automatic then you are always equalized and can’t open the hatch in any other condition.    

As for installing a compressor just for the purposes of pulling a pre-dive vacuum, in my opinion it has a way too high moving-parts-to-benefit ratio. You can pull a vacuum at the start of the day, on land or (I wish) on the deck of your support ship. But afloat before every single dive? I’m not aware of anyone doing that.    

Best, 

Alec 

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It seems that the need for sensing could be eliminated (as far as the present question goes) by positioning the handle for the pressure relief valve in such a manner that it would interfere with releasing the hatch latch unless the relief valve handle was in the open position.  In other words, you have to move the handle to out of the way before you can get to the hatch release.    

Having a manual control handle doesn't preclude the relief valve from being automatic.  It just means the manual portion leading to the auto portion was open.  It seems like a good idea for the manual valve to be opened at some reasonable depth prior to surfacing so any overpressure is free to flow to the auto relief.  You don't want overpressure to blow the hatch open when you're still two feet below the surface.  If the relief system is entirely manual, you have to wait until surfaced to open the valve unless the overpressure is particularly high.  

Jim  

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Alan

No definitive answer but we can postulate that both sensing and actuation are involved. 

On sensing, differential pressure on either side of the hatch is translated to a impulse to actuation.

On actuation, a method of locking out the operator from physically un-dogging the hatch, is the only way to meet the standard as per your O.P.

Joe

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Alan,  
Is this equalization from overpressure inside the hull? or external pressure.    
Hank   

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:23:21 AM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:  
Can anyone enlighten me on what sought of mechanism  
is used that renders the opening of the hatch possible only after  
equalisation, as per G.L. Requirements?  
Thanks  
Alan

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On 11/12/2013, at 3:01 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:  
Hi,  
>I'm not covering much in this section because if I started on construction  
>regulations, I would just be duplicating what was printed.  
>G.L. wants you to have manufacturer certificates for every non structural screw.  
>Any company you contract to do your welding has to have their facilities, personal  
>& supervision approved by G.L..  
>Some points of interest are.... hatches need to be opened from both sides, they need  
>to be able to be secured open, they need to be designed in a way that opening of the  
>hatch is only possible after equalization. Two measures are required to guarantee that  
>the hatches are closed & secured before diving; one measure is to be visibly noticeable.  
>Mechanical measures for stopping a banging of the hatch is required.  
>Any external through hulls are to be protected against damage by appendages or covers.  
>If you are doing calculations on a computer you have to prove that the program is suitable.  
>Alan      
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