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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hard ballast inside P. hull



Have a look at Hypro double cylinder piston pumps. They run like clockwork. Weighs 10# or so and needs some HP to drive it, but that's the cost to these things. You get precisely metered discharge water and a lot of weight.
Vance


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From: MerlinSub <MerlinSub@t-online.de>
To: personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hard ballast inside P. hull

http://www.hawkpumps.co.za/spaggiari_pumps.html

vbr Carsten  


"Vance Bradley" <Vbra676539@aol.com> schrieb:
> Look at car wash pumps. They are usually positive displacement piston pumps 
designed for hard use. Available from about 25 psi on up to 1000 without going 
into specialty units.
> Vance
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 29, 2012, at 4:12 PM, "Hugh Fulton" <hc.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Brian,
> > 
> > If you can find something off the shelf then I would love to know.  
Saltwater, pump, 250 psi, 10 gpm.  Not easy to find but I am in NZ.  
> > USA should be much easier to find something.  Does anyone else have any 
experience with this???  Hugh
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> > From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] 
On Behalf Of ojaivalleybeefarm @dslextreme.com
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2012 9:29 a.m.
> > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hard ballast inside P. hull
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> > Hugh,
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> >                 Ok, I agree, it just seemed like you had to do a lot of 
modification to your pumps.  Is there nothing off the shelf that would do the 
job?  Do you have some good sources for those pumps? 
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> > Brian
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> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Hugh Fulton <hc.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Vance would know more about how common it is but fighting for space inside 
is a common thing.  Moving the water with air pressure is fine but what do you 
do with the exhaust air as to get rid of it would mean fighting against outside 
water pressure or compressing it inside the transferee tank.
> > 
> > I believe it is better to have access outside as then you can compensate for 
different weight of passengers and also compression of the vessels,  difference 
in temperatures, fresh to salt water options etc.  Easier to use a manual bilge 
pump to transfer if you are having it inside and then air into one tank equals 
air out.  I am following the Comsub HBT system with the motorized pump and 2 
tanks with a relief valve on each tank so if the pump fails I can blow with air 
to remove the water against the relief.  My penny’s worth.  Hugh
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> > From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] 
On Behalf Of ojaivalleybeefarm @dslextreme.com
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2012 7:24 a.m.
> > To: personal_submersibles
> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hard ballast inside P. hull
> > 
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> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> >                I'm thinking of having my hard ballast located inside my 
pressure hull and controlling it's contents with air pressure.  So I guess it 
will have to be rated equal to my pressure hull.  One reason for doing this is 
simply for logistics as far as how my sub is laid out and how I have to locate 
things.  I could change this in the future to have the hard ballast outside if I 
can find a good place for it..
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   I was toying around with the idea of having fore and aft trim tanks using 
hydraulic fluid as the medium for transferring weight fore and aft.  That way I 
wouldn't have to worry about corrosion in the pump, even though the oil would 
not have the weight of water. 
> > 
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> >   Is locating a hard ballast inside the pressure hull a common thing to do?  

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> > Hugh, any thoughts?
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> > Brian
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