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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Corps of Engineers shut down submersibles



I think if a person wants to operate his or her submersible in a country based on freedom and liberty that it is their consitutional right to do so.
 
Brian

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Lawrence Lyons <lawrie-psubs@environics.com.au> wrote:

Dear fellow PSubs members

Once upon a time the horseless carriage had to be preceded by a man waving a flag and at night carrying a lantern because of safety concerns.

I think that perhaps the time has come for Psubs.org to have an underlying purpose other than recreational and general interest of the ocean and waterways.

Perhaps we need to think outside the sub and look at adding water quality sensors, salinity, pH, dissolved O2, and turbinity (the standard four) and conduct environmental assessments as part of our good citizen committment to become contributors to the knowledge base with regard to the health of our waterways and oceans.

I am sure that there would be enough universities around interested in whatever data Alec and others can gather for them given the cuts to environmental programmes due to the economy.

Once we have a purpose and recognised environmental sponsors for the data than Psubs.org as an organisation carrying out environmental monitoring on behalf of stakeholders including the community as a case to put forward for a permit to carry out water quality testing in the subject waterways now prohibited for subsea recreational use.

Food for thought, what do you think?

Best regards,

Lawrie


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Lawrence Lyons

Environmental Engineer







On 15/09/2011, at 8:12 AM, Steve McQueen wrote:

> Jon, I agree with the decision to write the letter.  I have confidence you
> will draft an intelligent letter and appreciate you taking on the effort.  I
> will be very interested in the response.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve McQueen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:23 PM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Corps of Engineers shut down submersibles
>
>
> FYI,
>
> Colonel Robert D. Peterson, Commanding Officer of the Huntington Area Corps
> of Engineers, issued Directive to Operations CELRH-DE on Sept 9,
> 2011 prohibiting use or operation of submersible vessels in all Corps lakes
> within the boundaries of Huntington District.  This order was issued in
> response to a PSUBS member attempting to dive his submarine at Summersville
> Lake in West Virginia.
>
> The Huntington District encompasses 45,000 square miles in parts of five
> states, including West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia and North
> Carolina.  It is responsible for 311 navigable miles along the Ohio River,
> which includes the Nation's largest Inland Waterway port, the Port of
> Huntington.
>
> According to Alec Smyth, he had traveled to Summersville Lake in West
> Virginia to dive SNOOPY, his K-250.  Alec has dived here before, see
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12XqUORL8yc
>
> After setting up in the parking lot, all the park rangers showed up, were
> friendly, and asked the usual questions which Alec answered and even invited
> them to inspect his submarine.  No problems were incurred and the dive
> proceeded to launch as normal.  After launching and about
> 100 yards off shore Alec was asked via a loudspeaker to return to the shore.
> At this time there were a bunch of police officers and an FBI agent.  The
> FBI agent asked for ID's, which were provided, and after verifying Alec and
> others with him, reported that everything had checked out fine.  However,
> the agent also had some bad news for Alec telling him that the Corps of
> Engineers Commander had just issued an order prohibiting submersibles from
> diving in any Huntington District lakes or waterways based upon concerns of
> safety and infrastructure.
>
> Not only has Alec dived in Summersville Lake on prior occasions without
> incident, but the PSUBS 2006 convention was planned with coordination of the
> Corps of Engineers who made park facilities, picnic areas, and meeting rooms
> available to us free of charge.  Six home-built submersibles attended that
> event and dove in Raystown Lake, see
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCwCKUKeqA
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g70A6o7SaKs
>
> I am working with Alec to draft a letter from our organization to Colonel
> Robert Peterson, to understand exactly what the issues are and see if we can
> help resolve them.  As Alec told me, this is a big blow because Corps lakes
> are pretty much all there is for diving in the mid Atlantic states.  This
> incident is almost assuredly related to the high alert surrounding the 9/11
> tenth anniversary terrorist attack.  While there may be legitimate concerns
> about potential damage submersible diving could do to the submerged
> infrastructure of a lake (clog up a dam intake??), invoking an immediate
> prohibition on all submersible activity seems to be an arbitrary and
> premature overreaction, to me, considering the diving that has been done
> previously and the direct coordination provided by the Corps of Engineers
> for the 2006 convention.
>
> In the interim, members planning any diving activities within the Huntington
> District Corps of Engineers should be careful to avoid this area.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
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