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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motors



Thanks, Emile,
 
I went to the site you referenced and found several pod motors.  The two smallest ones use brushes, but all the larger ones are brushless.  They all run direct shaft with no reduction gear.  Power output ranges from 2000 Watts to 10,000 Watts.  Not sure how that translates into thrust.  They certainly warrant further investigation.
 
Cheers,
Jim
 
In a message dated 12/25/2010 9:51:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, emile@airesearch.nl writes:

Jim,

 There is a disadvantage for brushless; High RPM.  If you hear the term outrunner”it means that the motor housing rotates for lower rpm/ higher torque.

For a thruster you will need a 1:4 reduction anyway.

 

As far as I know there are no brushless outboards. Mastervolt offers Brushless inboards.

http://www.mastervolt.us/marine/products/e-propulsion/

Not cheap. But complete… I assume their units will not interfere with fishfinders etc.

 

All the best, Emile

 


Van: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] Namens JimToddPsub@aol.com
Verzonden: zaterdag 25 december 2010 14:12
Aan: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motors

 

Carsten,

 

Yes, brushless are used in model aircraft for two primary reasons:  higher efficiency and low RF interference.  There are other advantages as well.

 

I really know very little about electric motors, controllers, etc. which is why I'm hoping to hear comments from the experts.  I prefer to buy and adapt off-the-shelf units that are already designed for underwater applications (saltwater) rather than building housings and so forth myself.

 

I hope you and all the PSubbers around the world are having a very merry Christmas.  The sun will rise in another 20 minutes here in the central US.

 

Cheers,

Jim

 

In a message dated 12/25/2010 6:37:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, MerlinSub@t-online.de writes:


Hmm.. the 1,6 to 2,6 kw high power running a modelhelicopter units also?

Better test before speed on building 2-3 thruster this way and find out that the sub sensors are blind by by pulse noise. The brushless electronic is also pulse moudulation isn't it?

vbr Carsten

<JimToddPsub@aol.com> schrieb:
> Carsten,

> You brought up another advantage of brushless motors.  They cause much 
> less interference than brushed motors which is one reason they're used  in hard
> drives and cooling fans in computers.

> Jim


> In a message dated 12/25/2010 3:17:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
> MerlinSub@t-online.de writes:
>
> Why not.  But make shure that brushles motors and sonar/echosounder do not 
> interfer.
> vbr Carsten
>
> <JimToddPsub@aol.com> schrieb:
> >  Since one of the problems with compensated motors is the tendency of the
>  
> > brushes to float at higher RPM, this begs the question of why  brushless
> > motors  are not commonly used instead to eliminate  that issue? 
> Brushless also
> > tend  to generate less  heat  as well as having other advantages.  Is the

> >  issue just the higher cost?  Less availability?  Complexity of  
> controllers?
> > 
> > I don't know If Minnkota produces  brushless units or not, but I  can
> > contact them.  What  about the manufacturers of bow  thrusters?
> > Weigh in with what you  know.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> >  Jim
>
>
>
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