Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sunken treasure

[MerlinSub@t-online.de]

Hi Brian, what a simple question. The answer filled some books.. 

01) Way one: You are in a submarine nobody can see you, so don't tell anybody and enjoy.. 

02) Ask question in a forum like these  and get answers.

02.1) Inside the territoal water (12sm zone) or outside? 
02.2) Identification of the wreck possible or not? 
02.3) Somebody before you working on the wreck?

If: 
02.1) it is in international waters and if 
02.2) a identification is not possible and if 
02.3) nobody else is working before you on the wreck (salvage in progress): Than its yours - follow track 01)

If it is in territorial waters - ask the state for the local laws. Each country has different. 

If you can identify it - search for owners. If there is still a owner, 
in most case a insurance company - ask them for permisson or a deal. 20/80 rates are normal - 80 for you.. 

In Sweden for example, if you found something and grap it, the country has the right to get it from you,
but per law has to pay the worth to you. Very clever to save the historic. Most divers get direct to the goverment to earn the money..

In some Meditteranean country even diving with scuba gear is forbitten without special permits or a local watchman. And grap even a stone or a shell brings you quick into jail. 

In one of the german baltic states it is forbitten to search and dive on wrecks if you search direct for them with search electronics. It is not forbitten if you find them by error or anchor or so. But in any cirrumstance you have to inform the goverment. 

In England exist a list of all found wrecks and many of then without historic worth can be purchase by private persons or companys.. 

In some East asian country the goverment gives you maybe a permissiom to search and salavage. And support you with a small fast gun boat against pirates during your operation. But if you find something the gun boat comes alongside, grap everthing and you and you crew gets in prison.. 

And so on.. 

What I would do if I found a wreck of historic interesst: 
Call a archelogist of a bigger historic institute or the states archelogist and ask him to work together. 

What you never shall do: Give the position away to somebody. Even not your mother.. 
Any position I give away even to a states authories was plundered the next 1-3 years by people with "Connections" to them.. Also historic ones. 

This one I found 14 days ago with my side scan sonarand a small inflatable boat.. www.euronaut.org/content/upload/notes/Schute005.jpg

For you : http://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=6034

vbr Carsten - Holder of a selfmade database with over 40.000 wreck position.. (15 years work)
upss- the database gives 78 wrecks around Channel Island, California, Pacific.. including the US Submarine Moray sunk as target in 1970 somewere there. And some spain galleons of 1598, 1641..  



"Brian Cox" <ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com> schrieb:
> Hi All,
>           Does anyone know if there are any restrictions on exploring and
> excavating sunken wrecks?  For instance what if I found an old Spanish
> galleon out here around the Channel Islands in my sub at a depth beyond
> normal scuba depths?  Would I be forced to hand it over to some well funded
> National Geographic group?  What if I wanted to document the site and map
> out the wreck?  Any thoughts?
> 
> Brian
> 
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