Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] submarine kit-builder's society

[vbra676539@aol.com]

Sounds like Sylvester the Cat sitting on a tree limb while sawing between himself and the trunk and laughing at the ravenous dogs down below.

Fussy concepts? Hmm. You mean like physics?

Vance

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilfried Ellmer <info@concretesubmarine.com>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Mon, Jun 7, 2010 12:48 am
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] submarine kit-builder's society

Hello Jon,

I am absolutly not confused. I know that my projects are "outside class" i have no problem with that as there are good and ethical reasons for my project for being and staying outside class.

I have no need and no intention to be "class near", "almost class", or any of the other fussy concepts i have heard about here.

Class by definition is something where you are in or out - you can not be "half in" as you can not be "half pregnant" if you are not stamped and certified (and willing to pay the price for the paper ) you are out - just have the spine and live with it.

I would say that for the reasons Phil pointed out, the private sub builder segment has a intrinsic need to be out of class, stay out of class, and defend that space with the good arguments that exist to do so.

Wil

2010/6/6 Jon Wallace <jonw@psubs.org>

Hi Wil,

It sounds like you may be confused about what we are saying in regards to certification authorities.  To be clear, we do not propose that home-builders should spend the thousands of dollars necessary to get a piece of paper declaring a sub is "certified".  We never have suggested that or considered it a requirement.  As Carsten stated in his email, we say, get a copy of ABS, read it, understand it, build to it.  If you do so, the chances are pretty good that you have a safe and reliable submersible on your hands.

Jon

Jon,

I do not really believe in your thesis that tecnology leadership comes from "administration societies" and that they do a solid research and development miles ahead of us. Even in our overadministrated times leadership comes from motivated individuals who push the fronties it - administration always follows.

I am not "anti standard" or "anti classification" i am against the satanisation of the "outside class status" as "unsafe", "unprofessional", "unreliable" etc...

The fact that currently there is a life outside classing agencies for private subs is the "air supply" of our sport. To fill a a private submarine builder forum with arguments to cut this air supply and regulate our sport out of existance - is not a wise course of action...

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