RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] the leak

[irox <irox@ix.netcom.com>]

Rather than explosive, maybe something could be done
with an insert constructed using a material with a
Negative Poisson's ratio.  I.E. something that gets
"fatter" when stretched rather than thinner.  Possibly
with some sort of construction so the well pressure
keeps the material/plug expanded.

Cheers,
 Ian.


-----Original Message-----

From: Brian Cox 

Sent: Jun 1, 2010 4:10 PM

To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org

Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] the leak








Using 
explosives is the last thing you would want to do.
 
Brian

  -----Original Message-----
From: 
  owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org 
  [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of greg 
  cottrell
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:46 AM
To: 
  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] the 
  leak


  
    
    
      
        
I would suggest that future wells be required to have a 
        failsafe in the form of a length of pipe inserted into the well 
        shaft. This section would be double-walled and filled with high grade 
        explosive. Say- 2000 ft deep in a well that is to be drilled as deep as 
        18,000 ft like this like the Deepwater Horizon. This could be detonated 
        in an emergency.
        In addition, a few tankers coulb be fitted with conveyor style 
        skimmers to throw floating sludge/oil into the hold,(and pumping 
        out water that settles in the keel). The cost would be small compared to 
        the amount of money lost on one big spill. 
         
        Greg
         
         
         
        
--- On Wed, 5/26/10, ShellyDalg@aol.com 
        <ShellyDalg@aol.com> wrote:

        
From: 
          ShellyDalg@aol.com <ShellyDalg@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 
          [PSUBS-MAILIST] the leak
To: 
          personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 
          12:19 PM


          
          Submersible operations at that depth are very difficult for sure. 
          There are some pretty amazing ROV's in the undersea industry and I 
          have to assume the guys working there are pretty smart.
          I wonder if the basic premise is off base though. My guess is 
          that the "suits" are calling the shots.
          Two thoughts I've had from the first few days since the leak was 
          discovered.......
          First off.....the dispersants being used seems like a bad idea to 
          me. Wouldn't it be better to inject some type of "solidifying" 
          chemical into the oil stream so the oil would clump up and sink, 
          staying near the leak and at the bottom. It would create a HUGE pile 
          of tar at the seabed but at least it wouldn't be spreading out all 
          through the water column and across the entire gulf region. 
          Sure, it would be a big mess still, but it would be in a 
          relatively small area and after the leak was fixed the big pile of 
          shit could be cleaned up by ROV's and barges.
          The other idea, although not a fix, would be to attach a larger 
          pipe around the well pipe and channel all that oil and gas to the 
          surface without it spreading all over the place. If a big barge was 
          positioned at the pipe where it reached the surface, the oil and gas 
          could be channeled into an open containment chamber where 
          the natural gas would evaporate and the oil would be in a big 
          "bath tub" where pumps could transfer it into tankers. The ultimate 
          fix of drilling a relief well and plugging the well pipe could proceed 
          and by August the well would be sealed permanently but the oil 
          wouldn't have messed up the water and ultimately the 
          shore. 
          I know it was an "accident" but the flailing around with 
          different "fixes" has created a mess that will take decades to clean 
          up, if it's possible at all to really get it all clean. ( which I 
          doubt )
          The damage to the environment and the industry, from fishermen to 
          waitresses and all the people who live there is too immense to 
          comprehend. I just don't think BP has enough money to really "make 
          them whole".
          Let me just add that I've always thought that oil on a federal 
          lease was the property of the American people and for any company, be 
          it American or foreign, to make profits beyond a reasonable amount is 
          just plain wrong. Same thing with mining, forestry, hydro electric, or 
          any other "natural resource" obtained from government owned lands. 
          That stuff is the property of the citizens and should be developed 
          with a set amount of profit margin but not ruled by corporate greed 
          setting the "market".
          Sorry, better get off my podium now......
          Frank 
D.



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